I think fans want Jason to be a good person or be becoming one. To have a character that is well meaning and compassionate but decided murder is ok and to stand against main heroes who’s beliefs and actions go against the people he cares about and wants in his life. It’s confusing for people. People want their fav characters to be happy. But Jason can’t have his family’s support and follow his moral code. He’s cares about people and Gotham, and he’s an asshole who kills. It’s messy. It’s not black and white. I don’t even think Jason cares about being a good person or in the right anymore. I think he cares about what will save the most people instead.
Oh my goodness gracious I’ve been bamboozled
Batman’s definition of Good is not synonymous with absolute good/right no matter how much dc insists it is. Torture, battery/assault, surveillance, those are all condemnable actions too. I won’t get into the exhausting and frankly dumb debate of comic book morality wrt killing because I’ve already reblogged plenty of posts from other people who explained my thoughts on the matter far better than I ever have the patience to sit down and articulate. I also just think the notion that there’s something to be done about fictional characters who kill nazis and senseless murderers is stupid. Jason’s point is that the “main” heroes’ sanitized definition of right has its unaddressed holes and flaws which ultimately result in more preventable fatalities, and that he’ll work to correct those missing spots.
He doesn’t not care about doing what’s right. What he doesn’t care about (at least during his Winick characterization) is whether Batman thinks he’s right or wrong, because he sees the flaws in Batman’s methodology (and since he has a mind of his own). Batman’s methods alone cannot address Arkham’s revolving door and the rogues that come and go through those doors who have no intention (or capability from the doylist pov) of ever changing or undergoing redemption. Jason knows that he’s minimizing the number of preventable deaths by killing his targets, typically Characters Who Simply Do Fucked Up Shit Just Because, Why The Fuck Not?
Secondly, Jason is compassionate … to a fault. That was his fatal flaw. If he wasn’t so hell-bent on saving his potential birth mother he just met from that bomb despite everything she did to him prior, he could have protected himself instead, however slim his odds of survival were. What about his relationship with his other parents? He was a caregiver during his early childhood years for Catherine, until her death. Even mature adults who are financially stable find being a caregiver to a dying parent to be extremely burdensome on their bodies and minds, but he never complained about it or resented Catherine for being unable to care for him. Despite how none of his parents have really been what he needed them to be, he doesn’t blame them for their failings, and even continues to think highly of them (Bruce included).
And post-death? Enter Lost Days. Despite being dead set on plotting his revenge on Bruce, he constantly sidelines this in order to save other victims who are helpless like he once was. His own anger, trauma, and mission don’t remain his priority. (Sound familiar? Something something my own trauma above my son’s, mission above all else, etc.). Why would he waste precious time and risk his own life to do this if he wasn’t empathetic towards these victims or didn’t care about doing the right thing. He is simultaneously horribly traumatized and full of rage, and also incapable of ignoring what’s happening to victims around him (even as he claims that it’s indeed not his priority). And in that same vein, the entire premise of his rebirth outlaws run was that he doesn’t care if the public views him as a villain, an outlaw, so long as he can protect Gotham. And anyway where is this portrayal of him not caring about being in the right anymore. Almost every modern Jason story is about him grappling with where he stands with Bruce/Batman. During the early 2000s was probably the last time he did not care (hello, tentatodd??).
Jason has very evidently been portrayed as a kind and compassionate character. He is also simultaneously a calculated killer who doesn’t hesitate to kill when he deems necessary, and does so without remorse. It’s called being a Complex Character With An Edge™ that as you said, people so often claim to love. However when he fulfills that latter part, that seems to upset people because “killing bad”, and they then try to shave off and round out all his edges and claim he shouldn’t be that angry. In that case I guess you should just stick to liking traditional one-dimensional characters instead of claiming to like Jason but then encouraging his character assassination attempt by dc. Lol.
Lastly, who said anything about the batfam making Jason happy? Just because he’s written nowadays to want acceptance from Bruce (a shoddy attempt at forcing a non-existent nuclear batfamily), doesn’t mean that it’s a sound decision or that it does his character justice. I certainly don’t empathize with the idea that Jason needs the family’s approval or acceptance to be happy. (And anyway he has enough outlets for angst and pain aside from the batfam hello explore his other sources of trauma and do more deep dives into how he thinks when he’s alone). I don’t want them to magically make up and become one big happy family. This is not disney Lol. Besides, there are plenty of stories from dc that have that type of “wholesome” (hate that word utilization) characterization for Jason (Li’l Gotham, Tiny Titans, wfa, and even new stuff like the brave and the bold mini) and that is sufficient imo. Jason fans who are invested in the character deserve accurate, nuanced characterization and well-written stories, whether they be from his robin days (e.g., Batman: The Cult) or as red hood.
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Actually speaking of Fjord and Essek being a disastrous combo I just realized it is Wednesday so have a wip excerpt of the trade war fic:
His mind turned so quickly, he nearly forgot about the spell he was maintaining. Had it flickered before he’d let it fizzle out? He didn’t think so; Fjord hadn’t blinked. “How about this,” he offered, and kept his voice level. “I will look into it, the techniques that might be more promising than what is currently being attempted. If it seems at all feasible, we can then discuss what resources might be necessary.”
“Research and development,” Fjord said, and Essek nodded in agreement. “I like it.” He held out a hand. “I wish you the best of luck.”
Essek eyed his hand, stopping in the street. Just before midday, the neighborhood was empty, and all he could hear were the bird’s cries and the ever-present ebb and flow of the tide, like a lullaby to the city of Nicodranas. “You wager a great deal upon my luck.”
“Well, not yet,” Fjord said, shrugging him off. “We’ll talk about wagers if we get to the development stage.”
This was fair enough. Essek took his hand and shook it firmly. “I look forward to doing business with you, Captain.”
Fjord winked. “And I you, my friend.”
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put this in my drafts because i expected spring break to be my time to lock into my shane and ryan hyperfixation, but i ended up locked into my stardew valley hyperfixation instead 😔✊
i said “i’ll just play for a few minutes!” and now i am at 98% completion in that game with apsolutely no shane and ryan compilations, edits, or fanart completed 😔✊ so upsetting.
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EOTY ask: 1, 16, 20, 5
1. song of the year?
🫠🫠 okay so this only embarasses me in front of one person but i’m still biting you. it’s this one 🥺
16. post a picture from the start of the year
i know this is just a meme but someone i loved very much sent it to me on the 14th of February which was six days after we started talking & i remember staring at it for a long time. just a meme but also the first time a friend had told me they loved me in a very long time. it makes me a little… sad now?, i guess, but it also makes me ring with that phrase “you can’t take loved away.” and you can’t. you can’t. 💖💖🫂
20. what’s something you learned this year?
hmm. maybe that i have no ambition in life aside from loving & being loved in return?
sounds sappy, but i remember saying that to someone (you know who you are 💖) and getting the response “i wouldn’t call that a lack of ambition.” so 😭😭🥹🥹💖 yeah. that.
5. tv show of the year?
i watched star wars rebels this year and i adored it!!! 🥰🥰 that or Andor, which made me cry for years in the space of a week. but i don’t like star wars
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deeply upset to report that doing cardio three days a week vastly improves one's cardio performance 😔
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This is literally nothing that I wasn’t trying to draw connection between in that one web weave post but god. Perceiving the threads connecting these characters.
Gwen for whom fatherhood and authority figure was conflated into one man, a man who at first chooses the role of authority over father. Miguel who fulfils the role of authority figure after this / “I tried to wear [this mask] the way you would want me to. And I didn’t!” <- paraphrased. Miguel who protects Gwen from her father’s choice to prioritise his role as an authority, only to fail to uphold the responsibility he has to her as an adult and mentor by reasserting his power as an authority, grappling for control over himself and how helpless he feels. Gwen’s father knowing what is asked of him as an authority is inherently incompatible with what is asked of him as a father, and upon reflection, unreservedly choosing fatherhood.
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