#manatreed situation

[dream-critical]

For people who want to look through the manatreed situation, look through the tags used on this post

[leafannarchive]

iirc backtopluto started a fic in like dec 2021/Jan 2022 put out two chapters then deleted so I think it was prob the manateed stuff that turned them off :/ they’re my all time fav author of any fandom I’ve read tho kudos to them for not staying when they didn’t want to

okay i definitely read the wasteland after that so. anon do what that info what you will 🫶

[solargeist]

why r people getting mad at george and sapnap too? I understand theyre dreams friend and thats an issue but THEY didnt do anything right?

sapnap joined Kick which is a hateful platform (Tubbo has dragged him multiple times for this) + brought abusers onto Banter and when people complained he said to get over it essentially. I personally hate how many slut jokes he makes, he comes across as very misogynistic imo. (The stuff abt him punching holes in the house also freaks me out a bit, that is a nice house like wth)

George, co host on Banter, and defended men harassing women in a club if they’re drunk on Hasan’s podcast. George also comes across as misogynistic for the slut jokes.

that’s all I got, I don’t pay attention to them, but those are the reasons I see usually. Dunno what else, defending dream is enough reason for people to dislike them imo tho

[mangobubbletea7]

Not that I have a horse in this race, I’ve never been a wilbur enjoyer and I don’t listen to Lovejoy, but don’t tell me the same people who could do forensic analysis on Manatreed’s chin and read documents about Dream’s creepy ass Snapchat dms are gonna cover their eyes and plug their ears and go “don’t speculate” when there’s years of publicly available evidence that Wilbur Soot is a biter. Come on…

There’s 4 women all saying the same thing and describing the same guy, some of them naming Wilbur outright, no one says you have to immediately burn your Lovejoy CDs to support the victim, but the evidence is pretty undeniable and the least you could do is just be quiet and check back in to see what plays out in the next couple days. Getting mad at people for putting together publicly available evidence of physical abuse, when you obviously wouldn’t object to it being done to other harmful public figures in the content creation world, is mega cringe. If it doesn’t end up being him somehow, then y’all can go back to life as normal and no harm will have been done to him.

If this is true, and from the clips of Niki and Shelby talking about it, I’d be fucking shocked if it isn’t, Wilbur AT THE VERY LEAST needs serious help. Biting people repeatedly to the point that they’re bruising and having to cover up their arms is not fucking normal. I just don’t know what else to say about it

[lilyfreshwater]

I often wonder how different things would be right now if no one found out Manatreed was an abuser.

i feel like the amanda stuff still would have happened, but honestly there's a possibility that if mana wasn't found out then dream would have been fully canceled. i think the mana discourse fractured the fanbase so much that by the time amanda's allegations surfaced, the majority of the people who were still dteam fans were much more likely to give dream leeway and didn't get dragged along with the people wanting to cancel him

[pinkseas]

him using lore as damage control Again feels like the final nail in the coffin like so much of the anxiety just drained from me all i feel is exhausted and furious

[gnfreckles]

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[disfrutalaisla]

hate to rain on your circlejerk parade but that dox IS dream. they're the same person, the facial features like the ears (which are famously as an uniquely identifiable feature like fingerprints) even match up. so the manatreed stuff is, actually, very real.

There’s literally ZERO proof that they are the same person and even less proof that manatreed was the friend of that person. You can believe whatever you want but it’s based on “evidence” from people who have campaigned for the fall of dream for YEARS by making up shit. You can’t definitely say after glancing at one photo. That’s not reliable.

[samnooks]

honestly the kinda sadish part is that this was the one thing i wouldnt have expected from him from how he dealt with that ex member. but he couldnt even stop being a creep huh

[the-final-sif]

Dream's Response Summary

Dream posted a response to various accusations, covering just about everything ever because he was done with this shit. I've done my best to summarize it here, but I recommend going and watching his whole video. This is going to be extremely summarized for readability and I'm only going to cover stuff I consider serious so anything about speedrunning is getting skipped.

The tl:dr is: Dream never groomed anyone or had inappropriate contact with anyone underage, he provided proof that one accuser flat out lied, and the other ""accusation"" was from a third party who was never involved. The actual supposed victim released a statement that they were never groomed, nor a victim in any way, never was asked about someone sharing information about them, and wants everyone to shut the fuck up.

Police were never actually contacted, both twitter accounts were lying about doing so to make their claims seem real. Also the supposed snapchat video shown is a very obvious fake.

He covers Manatreed, the run down is the guy was a childhood best friend he grew up with and who was struggling with homelessness. Dream helped him, and never knew about the battery charge (Manatreed had lied to him about it). When Dream spoke to Manatreed's ex girlfriend, she was very clear she never wanted any of this publicly out there, that she was happy that Dream had been helping Manatreed and she wanted the best for him.

Dream still doesn't know exactly what happened with that situation, he has since lost contract with Manatreed, all he knows is he was trying to help a childhood friend and got lied to.

The first allegation from Oxy/Anastasia, he's extremely clear they only ever messaged in twitter dms and he disproves the claim about the texts/tik tok. He has a google voice number hooked up to his tik tok account for obvious reasons, and she was showing imessage texts. This is not possible, which means she was lying.

As part of this, Dream scrolls through his twitter dms and shows he responds to fans all the time and talks to people in his community from all over. He also shows how he's friends with and has hired people that were fans of his, including people like Foolish.

He discusses Amanda, the two of them messaged on instagram back when he was a much smaller creator. He showed/posted the transcript of the two of them talking about normal stuff. They had been messaging since 2020. He did attempt to post a complete transcript of those messages, but she had deleted some of her messages and he doesn't have a way to recover them.

Dream explains that Instagram has a "feature" where if you ever reply to someone, then you literally cannot remove their ability to message you without blocking them. Something I did not know about instagram and which is fucking wild.

Since he replied to her in 2020, that meant she could message him forever and her notifications would be constantly showing up for him. He attempted to delete her messages/her ability to message him back in 2021 and showed proof of this, but realized he couldn't. Dream also in doing so accidentally deleted the context to her messages that she was a fan and basically everything prior to 2021.

Since he didn't remember her (what with the prior messages deleted), she was dmnig him from her personal account without fan content on it and was talking about being a streamer, he assumed she was a smaller streamer he knew and was talking to her as such.

They were talking about music so he gave her his personal snapchat to talk and because he wanted to get some feedback on a new song he was working on. He wanted to send the song via snapchat so he could be reasonably sure it'd stay private.

Dream categorically denies any sexting with Amanda or sexual messaging at all, he goes through why she most likely did this (he had been ignoring her messages and made a new snapchat with only close friends). He also downloaded his own data (something Amanda refused to/failed to do), went through the snapchat logs and did see some messages, but never saw either of his supposed compliments to her.

Amanda claimed Dream deleted her dms and that's why she couldn't provide any of the evidence she claimed she had, but Dream showed those same DMs very clearly undeleted. The dms were never deleted and she lied as an excuse.

Amanda lied about going to the police. Dream had his lawyers file a bunch of requests, and track down the police station that she went to based on the photo. They filed every request possible for any information with this police station, and there was no record of Amanda visiting the station or any records relating to Dream whatsoever. So either she lied about filing anything, or she told a story such that the police filed literally no paperwork whatsoever about the situation. Not even a report.

Dream sent the police station a copy of his own drivers license and Amanda's information so they could contact him if anything did come up, and nothing ever did. Nothing was filed, nobody cared.

Dream got swatted several times as a result of online harassment, including his family, and the harassment was overwhelming and awful for him.

He addresses the gumball situation, he showed up to a birthday party for a friend, gumball's VA was there and kept getting aggressive with him. While on facetime with some friends, Cantu ended up hitting Dream to impress them. Dream was obviously put off by this, but at the end of the night people ended up ubering together and Dream ended up in an uber with Cantu. He thought it'd be fine since other people were involved.

Cantu dropped his phone out the window made the uber driver pull over to look for it and got in trouble with the police. The uber driver tried to talk to Cantu about handling the police in the future, and Cantu started calling the uber driver slurs and claiming the uber driver had "down syndrome".

Dream got involved, trying to defend the uber driver, and Cantu threatened to kill him and called him slurs. Later Cantu apologized and Dream wanted to forgive him. Only later, Cantu started spreading lies about him and calling him a pedophile, so Dream realized the apology wasn't sincere and called him out for his behavior.

The third party who had been filming all of this saw what Cantu was doing lying about Dream and trying to claim none of this happened. They reached out to Dream and gave him the actual video as proof of what happened. Cantu tried to threaten them out of sending Dream the video of what happened, but they ignored him and sent them anyways. Dream also had the uber driver in his video backing up what he said.

Finally, the Jamie Allegations

Jamie is a mutual friend of several people that Dream knew, she did not post the allegations, she was never contacted about any of this she made an explicit statement that she was never groomed or a victim in any way.

Dream and Jamie meet prior to Dream being a youtuber on bbh's minecraft server, they were both fans of Skeppy. Which is why Jamie was followed by Dream, Skeppy, Vurb and some other youtubers in their friend group.

Jamie is still active online and put out her own statement, the person in the screenshots never gave permission for any of this to be put out, and they are very clear that the messages were taken out of context and that the claims made are false. The person in the screens is clear Dream is not a groomer, they never accused him of that, and that the twitter account is lying.

The snapchat video shown is very obviously fake, because snapchat just magically opens itself, there's no finger or button use interacting with the screen.

The burner account never actually contacted the police, Dream records him calling to the department they claimed to contact, and the person answering is very clear they have no contact from this person.

The supposed recent document posted is a fake convo of someone using a fake twitter account to talk to "Jamie", Jamie did not talk to them and it's just fake.

All of this was incredibly damaging for Jamie, who had no idea what was going on, and was getting harassed/stalked/having her irls contact.

Dream has also faced waves of harassment over obviously fake allegations, people have just been taking them at face value. He also shows how easy it is to fake these things as I have done.

He's been swatted, harassed, his family has been swatted and harassed, he's been scared for his own safety several times. It's been awful for him, and all based on fake shit. He's not stepping back from minecraft, but he is stepping back from twitter and no longer engaging with people behaving this way.

Also his ping pong record was undefeated.

[dream-critical]

is the entire manatreed situation documented somewhere? I joined the fandom recently and know that doxxing and false accusations are a trend but that situation seems to be messy and unclear and I kinda want to review it myself. I read Dream’s pastebin abt it so if it’s inappropriate to ask for this info tell me and I’ll just try and forget about it.

First of all very sorry for the wait anon. I looked on Twitter, Reddit etc and couldn't find the threads with the proof taken from KW as they seem to have been deleted and all recent shit is just people crying about missing him ??? For some reason.

And as you probably know if you have been on Twitter lately, the site itself is down. And also not a place I'd ever reccomended going to.

I am looking through Tumblr atm so I'll probably rb posts if I find any.

I'm gonna be completely honest though there's not much to doubt imo as the proof was very clear and dreams behaviour said enough. And most of critblr seems to agree on that from what I've seen.

Sorry for not being able to help you though.

[thespoonisvictory]

sorry but I'm just tired!!! it's voiceoverpete and dream and cmc and manatreed and forever and fucking l for leeeee and all the other men I'm forgetting about or never knew about. It's about women feeling like an afterthought as addons on nearly every server and the women jokes and the girls getting talked over and the gay jokes because there aren't enough women on the server and you can't joke about things like that with them, anyway.

It's about the way women are treated by chat and by the wider twitch community. They are maternal figures or sex objects or poor baby angels who can't do anything wrong. They can be hot or they can be sweethearts but people won't post about them the same way as they do for their male favs. They aren't funny and they're bad at the game and we keep saying to support them, but there really hasn't been one half as popular as any of the big male ccs.

I'm not trying to downplay the singular awfulness of the wilbur situation, or distract from it. but I see people just trying to cut him and/or his friends out and go back to posting and it's like jesus christ, it's not going to fucking end. it's just not. and I'm glad that more people have started coming out and saying shit now, but I'm begging you to look at the writing on the walls.

[barbiegirldream]

oh this situation that targeted your entire character with a year long slander campaign traumatised you? well why didn’t you think about how I FELT.

this isn't the same exact situation but it reminds me of manatreed where Dream in that case a direct victim of Domestic Violence had obviously been lied to by a friend and was dealing with being exposed to DV up and down the timeline and outright Told us he was triggered. And everyone else insisted their trauma mattered more than his trauma. When really the actual victim, she didn't want to be involved and it was just the same nazis who wanted us all to know where Dream lives as always. As well the guy was gone right away and only Connoreatspants for some fucking reason thinks joking about the situation repeatedly is funny and brag worthy

[wildpeachfarm]

I think rehashing the same conversation about this situation will make it harder for George to leave it in the rear view mirror. I could never imagine continually rehashing the Manatreed stuff months down the line of our own volition the same way we are talking about the Gogcident now two months out from it. We as a community won’t be able to heal if we’re constantly having the same conversation.

It happened, it’s done. It’s time to tend to the wounded and count our dead. I want all of us to heal so we can look forward to bigger and better things.

I think as long as people are making videos getting millions of views on the situation and people are trying to see if they are portraying reliable info, the discussion is bound to be brought up. Hell, even the dream allegations sometimes still get brought up. I think it's just bound to happen although once dteam activity begins again, i think conversation will slowly die out

[dwtdog]

Truly I wouldn’t even consider him dropping George an option but the fact that manatreed was apparently his childhood best friend and he dropped him for abuse just makes me consider it

manatreeds abuse was something that he intentionally hid from dream from what we know, and it was with a partner so. very different situations

[dteamain]

I have mixed feelings about the kicking him out thing. On one hand yeah he's their friend they're not just going to dump him on the side of the road, but on the other... Dream kicked out mana after figuring out what he'd done.

at least just put him up in the la apartment or something he's got the money to pay for that right???

I’m sorry if you don’t agree but this is nowhere near the manatreed situation it just not and I resent the comparison of the two