#grooming mention

[just-antithings]

Just saw a post that I'll paraphrase right here: Once something is typed/drawn it is no longer a thought. Therefore you cannot call it a thoughtcrime. drawing children having sex is not a thought it is a tangible piece of art. and then I saw a reblog titled "this site hates survivors"???? "when I say that fandom culture groomed a bunch of kids (now adults) into having no sexual morals I mean it" no sexual morals?? It's the antis who wants to ban/hide everything that could be considered "bad"

Ugh yeah seriously

[catboymoments]

Hunter “casually mentions fucked up things that happened in the Emperors Coven as silly anecdotes” Owl House would absolutely cope with humor postcanon don’t try and change my mind

“LUZ IT’S FUNNY. THE JOKE WAS FUNNY. ADMIT IT.”

“I’m leaving you here. GOODBYE.”

“YOU’RE SMILING!”

“I AM AND I HATE IT!!”

[the-final-sif]

Dream's Response Summary

Dream posted a response to various accusations, covering just about everything ever because he was done with this shit. I've done my best to summarize it here, but I recommend going and watching his whole video. This is going to be extremely summarized for readability and I'm only going to cover stuff I consider serious so anything about speedrunning is getting skipped.

The tl:dr is: Dream never groomed anyone or had inappropriate contact with anyone underage, he provided proof that one accuser flat out lied, and the other ""accusation"" was from a third party who was never involved. The actual supposed victim released a statement that they were never groomed, nor a victim in any way, never was asked about someone sharing information about them, and wants everyone to shut the fuck up.

Police were never actually contacted, both twitter accounts were lying about doing so to make their claims seem real. Also the supposed snapchat video shown is a very obvious fake.

He covers Manatreed, the run down is the guy was a childhood best friend he grew up with and who was struggling with homelessness. Dream helped him, and never knew about the battery charge (Manatreed had lied to him about it). When Dream spoke to Manatreed's ex girlfriend, she was very clear she never wanted any of this publicly out there, that she was happy that Dream had been helping Manatreed and she wanted the best for him.

Dream still doesn't know exactly what happened with that situation, he has since lost contract with Manatreed, all he knows is he was trying to help a childhood friend and got lied to.

The first allegation from Oxy/Anastasia, he's extremely clear they only ever messaged in twitter dms and he disproves the claim about the texts/tik tok. He has a google voice number hooked up to his tik tok account for obvious reasons, and she was showing imessage texts. This is not possible, which means she was lying.

As part of this, Dream scrolls through his twitter dms and shows he responds to fans all the time and talks to people in his community from all over. He also shows how he's friends with and has hired people that were fans of his, including people like Foolish.

He discusses Amanda, the two of them messaged on instagram back when he was a much smaller creator. He showed/posted the transcript of the two of them talking about normal stuff. They had been messaging since 2020. He did attempt to post a complete transcript of those messages, but she had deleted some of her messages and he doesn't have a way to recover them.

Dream explains that Instagram has a "feature" where if you ever reply to someone, then you literally cannot remove their ability to message you without blocking them. Something I did not know about instagram and which is fucking wild.

Since he replied to her in 2020, that meant she could message him forever and her notifications would be constantly showing up for him. He attempted to delete her messages/her ability to message him back in 2021 and showed proof of this, but realized he couldn't. Dream also in doing so accidentally deleted the context to her messages that she was a fan and basically everything prior to 2021.

Since he didn't remember her (what with the prior messages deleted), she was dmnig him from her personal account without fan content on it and was talking about being a streamer, he assumed she was a smaller streamer he knew and was talking to her as such.

They were talking about music so he gave her his personal snapchat to talk and because he wanted to get some feedback on a new song he was working on. He wanted to send the song via snapchat so he could be reasonably sure it'd stay private.

Dream categorically denies any sexting with Amanda or sexual messaging at all, he goes through why she most likely did this (he had been ignoring her messages and made a new snapchat with only close friends). He also downloaded his own data (something Amanda refused to/failed to do), went through the snapchat logs and did see some messages, but never saw either of his supposed compliments to her.

Amanda claimed Dream deleted her dms and that's why she couldn't provide any of the evidence she claimed she had, but Dream showed those same DMs very clearly undeleted. The dms were never deleted and she lied as an excuse.

Amanda lied about going to the police. Dream had his lawyers file a bunch of requests, and track down the police station that she went to based on the photo. They filed every request possible for any information with this police station, and there was no record of Amanda visiting the station or any records relating to Dream whatsoever. So either she lied about filing anything, or she told a story such that the police filed literally no paperwork whatsoever about the situation. Not even a report.

Dream sent the police station a copy of his own drivers license and Amanda's information so they could contact him if anything did come up, and nothing ever did. Nothing was filed, nobody cared.

Dream got swatted several times as a result of online harassment, including his family, and the harassment was overwhelming and awful for him.

He addresses the gumball situation, he showed up to a birthday party for a friend, gumball's VA was there and kept getting aggressive with him. While on facetime with some friends, Cantu ended up hitting Dream to impress them. Dream was obviously put off by this, but at the end of the night people ended up ubering together and Dream ended up in an uber with Cantu. He thought it'd be fine since other people were involved.

Cantu dropped his phone out the window made the uber driver pull over to look for it and got in trouble with the police. The uber driver tried to talk to Cantu about handling the police in the future, and Cantu started calling the uber driver slurs and claiming the uber driver had "down syndrome".

Dream got involved, trying to defend the uber driver, and Cantu threatened to kill him and called him slurs. Later Cantu apologized and Dream wanted to forgive him. Only later, Cantu started spreading lies about him and calling him a pedophile, so Dream realized the apology wasn't sincere and called him out for his behavior.

The third party who had been filming all of this saw what Cantu was doing lying about Dream and trying to claim none of this happened. They reached out to Dream and gave him the actual video as proof of what happened. Cantu tried to threaten them out of sending Dream the video of what happened, but they ignored him and sent them anyways. Dream also had the uber driver in his video backing up what he said.

Finally, the Jamie Allegations

Jamie is a mutual friend of several people that Dream knew, she did not post the allegations, she was never contacted about any of this she made an explicit statement that she was never groomed or a victim in any way.

Dream and Jamie meet prior to Dream being a youtuber on bbh's minecraft server, they were both fans of Skeppy. Which is why Jamie was followed by Dream, Skeppy, Vurb and some other youtubers in their friend group.

Jamie is still active online and put out her own statement, the person in the screenshots never gave permission for any of this to be put out, and they are very clear that the messages were taken out of context and that the claims made are false. The person in the screens is clear Dream is not a groomer, they never accused him of that, and that the twitter account is lying.

The snapchat video shown is very obviously fake, because snapchat just magically opens itself, there's no finger or button use interacting with the screen.

The burner account never actually contacted the police, Dream records him calling to the department they claimed to contact, and the person answering is very clear they have no contact from this person.

The supposed recent document posted is a fake convo of someone using a fake twitter account to talk to "Jamie", Jamie did not talk to them and it's just fake.

All of this was incredibly damaging for Jamie, who had no idea what was going on, and was getting harassed/stalked/having her irls contact.

Dream has also faced waves of harassment over obviously fake allegations, people have just been taking them at face value. He also shows how easy it is to fake these things as I have done.

He's been swatted, harassed, his family has been swatted and harassed, he's been scared for his own safety several times. It's been awful for him, and all based on fake shit. He's not stepping back from minecraft, but he is stepping back from twitter and no longer engaging with people behaving this way.

Also his ping pong record was undefeated.

[she-is-ovarit]

The man several years older than you who calls you "more mature than your own age" is grooming you. The man who says you are "special" or "unique" is grooming you. The man who calls you an "old soul" is grooming you.

These are grooming phrases.

The man several years older than you who keeps circling back to "Gosh, I can't believe you're real! But are you sure you want this? I'm so much older than you!" when you're cuddling or making out is grooming you. He is asking you that question during intimate moments as a way to unconsciously manipulate you into denial and perhaps get you to reassure whatever guilt he has, if he has any. Asking this while showering you with affection is an attempt to bait and coerce you into saying yes. Whether done unconsciously or consciously, he is fulfilling an emotional need you have for love or protection while at the same time getting you to say out loud to yourself and to him that you want this in order to work your brain into ignoring any bad gut feeling or doubt you have, then or in the future.

That is grooming behavior.

I understand that you might not want this to be true, and that you feel pulled to him. I understand it might feel more parental or brotherly than it does sexual or romantic. But this is how grooming works in many, many cases. The attachment or relationship fulfills a psychological need or wound you had from a parent or a sibling. His behaviors might very well be fatherly or brotherly, and then over time those little interactions blur into something else that you can't quite make sense of but that you like.

That magnetic, psychological pull you feel is not a sign of healthy attachment or a healthy relationship. You can be groomed as a child, you can be groomed as a teen, you can be groomed as a 20 year old.

And, yes, this goes for lesbians, bisexuals, gay men too. I speak with heterosexual situations in mind because there is a depressing, astounding pattern of heterosexual men grooming women and girls younger than them. But I have encountered plenty of gay men and lesbians in horrible codependent relationships that they feel simultaneously both trapped in and glued to.

[strawberryqueen00]

Was explaining to my friend tree law and when I talked about how the trees improper trimmed were immature and he then responded

“Oh my gosh they actually groomed minors.”

The studio executives next statement for the tree cutting:

[garfieldstar]

when it comes to people discussing characters within warrior cats who've been affected by the sexism of the Erin's it always kind of perplexes me that people don't really discuss spottedleaf on the same level as other characters like squirrelflight or frecklewish. I know shes a background character with no plot relevance and dies within the 13 chapters of the first book of the series, but I still find it really hard to believe that a good chunk of the fandom still believes that spottedleaf's feelings towards firepaw were always meant to be romantic and not just a side recon to make fans of the series who shipped fire x spotted happy and also because they quite literally had nothing else to do with her character because shes a female background character who served no purpose to the plot so they could write anything they want about her and write it off as canon because they couldn't bother to write an actually personality for her besides "hot doctor woman who firepaw had a crush on". and the fact she got a side book about her being groomed by a man who's been pursuing her since she was a KIT, and yet people still swear up and down that shes a pedophile due to a half ass recon about a man she had no relationship with when she was alive just rubs me the wrong way

[brettdoesdiscourse]

While I generally do believe in the idea of separating a creator from their creation, I don't feel like you can really do that with Dan Schneider/Nickelodeon shows because of how interconnected the creators and the creations are.

The young cast of these shows went through so much abuse, mistreatment, and sexualization from people involved including the producer/writer himself.

There's a ton of sexualization and fetish content in the shows, sexualization and fetish content of children.

I don't hold any judgment for people who still find comfort from these shows, whether it be due to a hyperfixation or something else. But I do feel it's important to, at the very least, acknowledge how the shows were influenced by the creators being predators. And I would encourage everyone to try to boycott at least any shows that Dan Schneider worked on.

[antiproshipping]

Antis: omg cope in PRIVATE you freak

Proshippers: ok *puts their art on a private alt account*

Antis: OMG HOW DARE YOU HAVE A SECRET PROSHIP ACCOUNT YOUR LITERALLY GROOMING ME

Proshippers: ??????

[gay-jewish-bucky]

all this ao3 discourse is reminding me of a few things

that a month or so ago i was "exposed as a groomer", why? on a mutual's post that quoted chris evans call the people aggressively opposing the queer rep in lightyear "idiots" someone reacted really angrilly and stated that this was their last straw and they could no longer support him. i pointed their account out in the replies so other people could block them like i had. they took a screenshot of my blog and posted it stating i was a groomer/supported grooming bc i supported queer rep in a kids movie

being very newly out to myself over a decade ago, and reading youtube comments from people claiming that gay people were doing unimaginable shit around children and saying that it was just part of our nature and we were dangerous predators

the first queer book i ever read was Annie on My Mind, a sweet story about two young girls who fall in love, it was the first YA book that portrayed queer characters positively and that is one of the most challenged books in U.S. history (being actually burned at least once), one case even making it to federal court

homophobes think children being aware that queer people exist at all is inherently predatory and that we're all groomers, look more recently at the right wing response to drag queen story hour and the repugnant things said

queer content is not safe, they will come for it under the guise of "protecting the children" and you all need to understand that, this isn't paranoia, this is our reality

as Rabbi Steven Greenberg, an openly gay orthodox rabbi and major advocate for LGBT+ acceptance in the Jewish community says in “Wrestling with G-d and Men: Homosexuality in the Jewish Tradition”,

“Gay sex life, unlike straight sex life, is never a private matter. When a man and a woman walk hand in hand, it is their love that they make public. When two men walk hand in hand, it is their sex life that they make public… Our words are acts; our privacy is public. This reality stems from the nature of homophobia.”

Update: Election Results posted August 15th at 9:10pm EDT

Tiffany G has NOT been elected to the board

[pronounrespector]

I feel like we should make a new rule, if you're a dranti and not going to watch the drideo or read ANY of Dreams tweets regarding the drontroversies you should not be talking about dream at all.

I've already seen someone go "I'M NOT WATCHING ALL THAT" you look pathetic. It says more about you if you keep slandering and making fun of someone who has multiple recipes of being innocent

you don't care if anyone was groomed or not, you don't care if dream is actually a pedophile, you don't care about if he was wrong about anything or not. You don't want to be wrong about someone who you think deserves to be called various different slurs, deserves to die, or be beaten up.

If you continue to meme about someone without caring if they're innocent or not you are a bad person, and I feel bad for you

[xomoosexo]

bad talking about his reply to dream

[moths-wc-aus]

R U KIDDING ME

"i was groomed and manipulated by my mother almost since birth."

"well thats your own fault because you decided to be manipulated and groomed."

BITE BITE BITE KILL KILL KILL

[blimbo-buddy]

To say that some characters don't seem like they'd do the terrible things they did (like BumbleStripe's shitty attitude towards DoveWing or ThistleClaw grooming SpottedLeaf), because of their previous personality traits or status or what have you, is unknowingly admitting that you think that terrible people need check hyper specific boxes in order for it to "make sense" that they'd do something like that.

It doesn't matter that BumbleStripe seemed nice before, nice people can still hurt those around them. It doesn't matter that ThistleClaw was a respected warrior, people who are respected in their communities can still harm children. Anybody can be terrible, no matter how they look or act. Sometimes that nice personality or respected status can be hiding something truly terrible deep within

[skullhalo]

Believe it or not people (tumblr blogs) don’t have to talk about this if they don’t want to. It’s an incredibly triggering subject that people may have trauma with and even if they don’t it’s still triggering!! I almost didn’t want to talk about it because I’m a victim and the last time this topic was heavily brought up I had flashbacks and psychotic breaks! Getting mad at people for not talking about it isn’t them ignoring it, holy shit.