#master fu bashing
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redtippedfox · 2 months ago
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You know Master Fu was a villain...
I was doing research for a plot idea for AU and realized how horrible Master Fu was.
Master Fu gave two powerful miraculouses that could kill their holders if overused to two children who were only 13 and not even mentally mature enough to be heroes. He throws them into battle with no fighting experience or care about the consequences of trauma this might have on their brains. They're fighting a GROWN man who has made it clear he wants their Miraculous and is willing to be a terrorist and KILL them if it means he wins. While Master Fu sat in his room and did NOTHING to help.
He just tossed his responsibility onto two kids and didn't bother to help behind the scenes. He had a box of Miraculouses did NOTHING with them. While the kids fought for their lives in Akuma attacks and technically experienced DEATH over and over again.
He was fine with sacrificing children and didn't bother to help when they were in dangerous situations!
These kids had to adapt to being heroes and couldn't tell anyone or have support. Then, when Master Fu did reveal himself, he didn't make it easier; he made it worse. He made Marinette keep secrets from Chat Noir, dumped all his responsibility onto Marinette, and was no help at all with the Hawkmoth or Mayura situation.
(He helped ONE time with Partycrasher and that was it)
Then he dumped his Guardianship onto Marinette, even though she already told him she was struggling with her duties as Ladybug(He had every chance to find someone else and lighten Marinette's load but nope). Got to disappear, leaving Ladybug and Chat Noir to clean up the mess HE made. HE lost the Miraculouses, and yet he didn't lift a finger to help with getting them back.
Also, he was a coward and ran away when his past came back to haunt him, stole the Miraculouses not even caring if he left Hawkmoth to terrorize the city without Ladybug and Chat Noir to save them. Also he was fine with leaving NOOROO with Hawkmoth!
Yeah....I think I have enough reasons for Future!Mari to hate him
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thesilvercondor-main · 10 months ago
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Maybe (hopefully) I'm remembering things wrong, but its just hit me that there is a SIGNIFICANT disadvantage to being a child in the miraculous universe.
An adult miraculous holder can just DO stuff. Run around, pop off their power, oh it didn't work? That's fine! Just do it a second time! Third time! No worries bro!
A CHILD though?? A child needs to be both lucky and tactical in EVERYTHING they do- because if you use your powers at the wrong time, then woops! No re-do! Also from that point you've got like five minutes to solve the situation WITH NO FURTHER POWERS, otherwise you will have your civilian identity revealed to everyone! Which is basically a death sentence! Yay!
Like DEAR MASTER FU
THE HECK
Bro should never even have CONSIDERED giving a miraculous to a child, but no he did it TWICE
And thats not even going into the obvious 'they are CHILDREN' side of things, its just the 'hey they have BASICALLY NO POWERS' side of things, Fu you SUCK-
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wonderlandiangeek · 4 months ago
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listen, i love trans and non-binary headcanons for shi qingxuan, but also
i’m so tired of it
in canon she doesn’t appear to favor either one of her forms over the other. i know the joke is that she likes getting people to transform into their feminine forms with her, but then he still willingly and happily spends a large amount of time in his male form. in the english dub of the donghua (not the most reliable source, i know, but still), they use they/them pronouns to refer to themselves and don’t have any sort of reaction to people using she/her or he/him for them.
i know that we don’t ever see shi qingxuan clearly and explicitly say “this is how i identify”, but in my opinion “man or woman, i know i am drop dead gorgeous” is as plain and clear as it gets that he’s gender fluid.
(as spaced out puffin on youtube put it, they “eat gender for breakfast, lunch, and dinner”)
the main reason i love sqx so much is because he’s like me.
and very rarely do i see them depicted in fic that way.
give me shi qingxuan who wears pronoun bracelets. give me shi qingxuan who changes her outfit seven times in a day to match his gender shifting. give me shi qingxuan casually slipping into a conversation that his pronouns are now she/her.
you don’t have to give me a shi qingxuan i can relate to 100%, but please, give me gender fluid shi qingxuan
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gpacompris · 2 months ago
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Top 50 of March characters of Miraculous on AO3
Generals/Characters/Ships
⚠️ Please note, these are fanfictions that are new or updated.
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Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug(816)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Fluff
Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir (707)
Gender : {Male}
Biggest freeform tag : Angst & Aged-Up Character(s)
Alya Césaire (414)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Aged-Up Character(s)
4- Nino Lahiffe (334)
Gender : {Male}
Biggest freeform tag : Aged-Up Character(s)
5- Chloé Bourgeois (320)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Chloé Bourgeois Redemption
6- Gabriel Agreste (306)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Angst
7- Luka Couffaine(245)
Gender : {Male}
Biggest freeform tag : Angst
8- Tikki (Miraculous Ladybug) (229)
Gender : {No Gender or Non Binary}
Biggest freeform tag : Angst
8- Plagg (Miraculous Ladybug) (229)
Gender : {No Gender or Non Binary}
Biggest freeform tag : Angst
10- Lila Rossi (205)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Lila Rossi Bashing
11- Kagami Tsurugi (192)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Angst & Not Beta Read
12- Nathalie Sancoeur (184)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Angst
13- Juleka Couffaine (153)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Chloé Bourgeois Redemption
14- Alix Kubdel (129)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Aged-Up Character(s)
15- Rose Lavillant (126)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Chloé Bourgeois Redemption
16- Félix Fathom (122)
Gender : {Male}
Biggest freeform tag : Hurt/Comfort
17- Sabrina Raincomprix (119)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence & Chloé Bourgeois Redemption
18- Sabine Cheng (118)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Angst
19- Nathaniel Kurtzberg (100)
Gender : {Male}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence
20- Tom Dupain (96)
Gender : {Male}
Biggest freeform tag : Angst
21- Zoé Lee (Miraculous Ladybug) (88)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Chloé Bourgeois Redemption
22- Master Fu (Miraculous Ladybug) (86)
Gender : {Male}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence
23- Ivan Bruel (85)
Gender : {Male}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence
23- Lê Chiến Kim (85)
Gender : {Male}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence
25- Mylène Haprèle (78)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence
26- Max Kanté (76)
Gender : {Male}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence
27- Original Miraculous Ladybug Character(s) (74)
Gender : {All}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence & Aged-Up Character(s)
28- Marc Anciel (71)
Gender : {Male}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence
29- Caline Bustier's Class (62)
Gender : {No Gender or Non Binary}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence
29- Caline Bustier (62)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Lila Rossi's Lies Are Exposed
29- Emilie Agreste (62)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Angst
32- Kwami(s) (Miraculous Ladybug) (56)
Gender : {No gender or Non Binary}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence & Other Additional Tags to Be Added
33- Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug's Parents (47)
Gender : {Male & Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Badass Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug
34- Akumatized Character(s) (36)
Gender : {All}
Biggest freeform tag : Chloé Bourgeois Redemption
35- Audrey Bourgeois (34)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Chloé Bourgeois Redemption
36- Le Gorille | Adrien Agreste's Bodyguard (33)
Gender : {Male}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence
37- Original Akumatized Character(s) (33)
Gender : {All}
Biggest freeform tag : Chloé Bourgeois Redemption
38- Other Miraculous Ladybug Characters (32)
Gender : {All}
Biggest freeform tag : Other Additional Tags to Be Added
38- Nooroo (Miraculous Ladybug) (32)
Gender : {No gender or Non Binary}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence
40- Duusu (Miraculous Ladybug) (31)
Gender : {No Gender or Non Binary}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence
41- André Bourgeois (30)
Gender : {Male}
Biggest freeform tag : Chloé Bourgeois Redemption
41- Amélie Graham de Vanily (30)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Slow Burn
43- Jagged Stone (Miraculous Ladybug) (29)
Gender : {Male}
Biggest freeform tag : Angst & Chloé Bourgeois Redemption
44- Wayzz (Miraculous Ladybug) (27)
Gender : {No gender or Non Binary}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence
45- Anarka Couffaine (26)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Angst & Chloé Bourgeois Redemption
46- Trixx (Miraculous Ladybug) (22)
Gender : {No gender or Non Binary}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence
47- Principal Damocles (Miraculous Ladybug) (21)
Gender : {Male}
Biggest freeform tag : Slow Burn
47- Tomoe Tsurugi (21)
Gender : {Female}
Biggest freeform tag : Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence
49- Original Kwami Character(s) (20)
Gender : {No Gender or Non Binary}
Biggest freeform tag : Slow Burn
49- Pollen (Miraculous Ladybug) (20)
Gender : {No gender or Non Binary}
Biggest freeform tag : Chloé Bourgeois Redemption
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flightfoot · 1 year ago
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do you know of lila take down fics that don't bash the children?
Hm, I'm assuming you mean ones that are still focused around Lila being a schoolyard bully? I generally stay away from those nowadays, instead opting to just read the fics where everyone's aged up and she's presented as more of a supervillain (those tend to not bash anyone else), but I do still have some recs for you!
Not Quite Right by @ladynoirfanao3
When Marinette wakes up one morning, she can’t help but feel that something is just a little bit… off. No one else around her seems to feel the same, however, and she is forced to shake off the strange feelings. It proves to be more difficult than she imagined, especially when an akuma attack leaves her feeling helpless as she watches Chat Noir and Ladybug arrive on scene.
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In Pursuit Of The Uneatable by @nemaliwrites
Who do you trust when your own reflection becomes a stranger? In a Paris where Lila weaves tales that blind the city, Marinette stands accused, isolated. Her parents' trust is shattered, her friends distant, and in battle, illusions blur the line between ally and enemy. As the shadows and uncertainty threaten to close in, Marinette finds herself turning to the last person who claims to be on her side: a boy in a white mask who calls himself a fox hunter.
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Hold Me By Both Hands by @angelofthequeers
“I know he said never to take you back,” Plagg mutters. “But he’d change his tune if he knew.” He looks Adrien straight in the eye and, more serious than Adrien’s ever seen him before, says, “There’s someone you gotta meet. He’s been looking for that book for ages.” How differently might the events of season 2 have gone if Adrien had also known of Master Fu from the start?
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Accidents Are Also Miracles by @liiinerle
After some turbulent days that end with five people knowing her secret identity as Ladybug, Marinette loses faith in her ability to keep herself hidden. Wracked with doubts and insecurities, she pleads with Alya to take over as Scarabella, and tries to disconnect from heroing altogether. Along the way, she starts to date Kagami. Hard as she tries, though, she can't stop worrying - especially not once Monarch takes a particular, and personal, interest in her. At the same time, Alya tries to adjust to her new role while she works to uncover who Monarch really is, and makes some realisations about her own wishes. Kagami struggles against a controlling and abusive parent, and a girlfriend who seems bent on destroying herself - with or without Monarch's involvement. And in the meantime, Alix keeps popping her head back in with offers to help (because cool though time travel is, she misses hanging out in her own time).
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Side Effects Include: Empathy by Word_Devourer
Adrien develops touch-based empathy from using a Miraculous as long as he has. This can only go well.
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The Investigation by @11jj11
Adrien and Marinette are finally dating-- which is what Alya has always wanted... but yet this sudden transformation in their relationship overnight? Things aren't adding up. They are suddenly so much closer than they ever have been before, Adrien is apparently a flirt, Marinette is no longer a stuttering mess, and not to mention the nicknames that came out of no where. Alya is happy for her friends, but she knows there's something more going on, and the reporter in her is going to get to the bottom of it.
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best (fake) smile by Reiaji
After Gabriel arranges for Lila to be his date at Paris Fashion Week, Adrien rights a wrong as best he knows how: with a little bit of sweetness, a little bit of subtlety, and a lot of social media magic.
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heqvenlymoons · 1 year ago
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childhood friends jasonette raising themselves on the streets but they grow up to become enemies
they get separated when they were 13. she was kidnapped by the order of the guardians
master fu bashing, the order isn't good in this, they kidnap children and train them into assassins
marinette was trained to become an assassin in the order, she's an assassin under the name ladybug
people in the order that trained alongside mari: adrien, kagami, luka (maybe chloe too)
ladybug and chat noir are the highest ranking assassins, they usually get sent together on missions. they've always succeeded
gabriel agreste became hawkmoth when his son was missing, he created an organization (called the akumas maybe idk) that specializes in finding the missing childrens
mari and the other people under the order had always been told the akumas were the bad guys
everything's the same with jason (not canon compliant obviously, it's from what i've gathered from other maribat crossover fics i've read); he stole the tires of the batmobile, got caught and ended up being adopted by bruce wayne. dies and comes back. becomes the crime lord, red hood for a while before reforming and so now he works with the bats
the order gets a request from joker to assassinate red hood, ladybug (and maybe chat noir) was ordered to take on the mission
meanwhile the bats were investigating the order, they had a lead and now they think the order links to the missing children 10-11 years ago? (i'm making mari and jason the same age, so let's say they're 18-19 now)
so the assassination attempt on red hood kinda failed because mari realized just who he is after red hood recognizes her. but he still got stabbed?? it just didn't hit any vital organs???
mari gets punished back at the order's base because she failed
this is getting long so: stuff happens, mari and the others eventually gets rescued
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talltoontales · 1 year ago
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// Kung Fu Panda 4 Rewrite \\
PROMPT: Kung Fu Panda 4 felt a little lacking, wanted to try my hand at maybe making it better.
PROMPT BY: Me (ToonMan)
STARTED WRITING: 03/29/2024
Alright, Ground Rules:
Jack Black’s cover of “One More Time” by Britany Spears is amazing, and I will not argue otherwise.
This rewrite is coming from my enjoyment of the series, not just bashing a “bad movie” for the sake of bashing. So, if you’re just here to hate, you’re in the wrong place.
I’m not a professional writer. I only started writing semi-consistently this year. So, take this rewrite with a massive grain of salt.
To make this whole process easier on me, no world-shattering changes.
Zhen’s still gonna be chosen to be Po’s successor
No Furious Five for most of the movie
No killing or reviving characters that don’t originally die or return.
We good? Good. Now, let’s get this party started!
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So, the opening fight doesn’t need to change much, save for one thing. Tigress fights alongside Po. Seeing that she’s the only member of the Furious Five to get any development in these movies and has the most chemistry with Po, it makes sense. The two beat…whoever Po fought in the intro (I think it was a stingray that could fly) and have a short dialog after explaining that Tigress, along with the rest of The Five, have moved on from being warriors and transitioned into being teachers/masters of their respective styles.
SIDE NOTE #1: I know that Po and The Five are already masters, but in my head, master sounds like a better term for “teacher” than sensei.
I like this better than having The Five be “on a mission” or whatever excuse was used to keep them from helping Po in this movie. Also, seeing that the main lesson Po needs to learn by the end is to move on from being a warrior, having The Five, his long-time heroes, retire around him helps get that ball rolling.
Po is honestly excited for Tigress and offers to support her however she needs it, just like he does with the rest of The Five. However, Tigress uses this moment to, not so subtly, ask if Po has any plans on doing the same. Po gives a vague, jokey answer before the two walk off into the title screen.
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Back in the Valley of Peace, everybody’s celebrating Po at his dads’ noodle shop, but the celebration is interrupted by Shifu summoning Po to the Jade Place.
SIDE NOTE #2: Let me just take this moment to say that while their scenes in the movie do basically nothing for the plot, Ping and Li deserve a short or web series or something. They were seriously a joy to watch every time they were on screen together. #CoParentingGoals
First major change is why Po needs to become a master:
“As the world moves on, so must we. As to stand still is to be left and lost to time.”
Right now, Po is at the top of his game. He’s mastered Kung Fu, led and kinda trained The Five, found inner peace, beaten General Kai, and mastered Ki. However, there will come a day when Po faces a foe he cannot beat, a foe that can challenge Po in a way that he can’t adapt to, as Tai Lung did to Shifu or Kai to Master Ooguay.
Those who become Masters don’t do so because they’re past their prime; they do so because they know the world in which they thrived is coming to an end, and in the new world that follows, their wisdom becomes more needed than their fists. To lose such wisdom could be detrimental to the next generation of heroes. Of course, Po denies that he has any real wisdom to give (aside from food), only seeing his value as the Dragon Warrior. However, Shifu has never been a patient man.
The next day, Po is just messing around the palace when four warriors (No Mr. Beast Pig) attack him. During the fight, Po mocks his would-be assassins by pointing out all their errors. Shifu then stops the fight, explaining that this was a test to prove that Po is more than ready to be a master and to introduce Shifu’s candidates for the new Dragon Warrior.
Still firmly in denial, Po and Shifu go through the Peach Tree Scene the exact same way. The only difference being that when Po notices Zhen breaking in, he thinks she’s another candidate who was late or something.
A broad change I’d make that I can’t really put in writing is just to put a pinch more focus on the fight scene. KFP4 had the most out of the series at seven, but they all felt like an afterthought.
To make Zhen a bit more unique, she’s more of a “fight your surroundings” kind of fighter. She’s never standing still, never uses the same weapon more than twice, and never really fights head-on. Po can claim that she’s not fighting fair, which she’ll laugh at before he locks in and captures her. This fight being short is expected because Po is a Kung Fu legend and should have no problem taking down a random thief.
SIDE NOTE #3: Totally a personal opinion, but did bother anyone else that they named the fox Zhen? Not that the name was bad or anything, but we already have Lord Shen and those names are waaaay too similar…You know what, here’s another change. Zhen is now Vox.
Fast-forward a bit, and the two are now traveling together. Po explains how the Staff of Wisdom can’t be stolen; it must be given, and Po shows Vox genuine kindness and generosity. Vox thinks it’s some kind of long con but accepts it anyway.
The Friendly Bunny goes about the same as it did with Vox being the loot goblin she is, but I don’t want this to be an actual fight. It’s more like Po trying to keep the situation under control. Keep Vox from stealing, protect Vox, protect the helmsman, protect the bunnies, and keep the entire restaurant from falling over.
Instead of getting knocked out of the restaurant like a fool, Po uses his weight to force the patrons away from the exit, and with a mighty leap, Po exits the Friendly Bunny with Vox, the Helmsman, and the bunnies and lands on the boat like a boss. While sailing to Juniper City, Po talks about his dads, but Vox doesn’t share her backstory. Instead, mentioning how the Bunnies were safer at the restaurant.
Introducing the Chameleon and Entering Juniper City goes about the same except that Po and Vox get caught because Vox keeps casually stealing, which she does undetected, but the police only notice when Po is trying to return the stolen goods.
In the Thieves’ Den, Vox isn’t hated, but the vibe is still the same. Everyone casually messing with/ stealing from/ hurting everyone else. They find Han, who says something to the effect of “never thought I’d be seeing you again,” gives them a map of the chameleon’s temple and the scene goes on as usual from there.
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Alright, time for a BIG change: The Chameleon’s Motivation/ Plan/ New Name
Every other villain in the Kung Fu Panda movies has an actual name, and if I had the power, Chameleon would be named Tai Zhi for reasons that are probably obvious now but will be explained later.
Tai Zhi’s new backstory is that she was bullied, and all she could do was hide, just camouflage, no shapeshifting yet. Until one day, she learned about Kung Fu. Tai Zhi would find a master, they’d train her for a little bit, then they’d sense how evil she was and kick her out before she could learn anything actually dangerous. She then found a dark master in hopes their similar moral alignment would convince him to train her. Instead, he was the first master who refused her outright, verbally destroying her before threatening her to leave.
Tai Zhi then turned to sorcery for her claim to power but could never let go of Kung Fu. So, she found a way to open a door to the spirit realm, but there was a catch. Equivalent exchange, she’d kidnap citizens of Juniper City and sacrifice them to the spirit realm and get a D+ spirit at best in return. To get around this, she’d need the Staff of Wisdom, and she could get anyone she wanted, no matter how strong.
SIDE NOTE #4: Tai Zhi isn’t collecting the money from the mob bosses for any particular reason. It’s just a power flex. I assume she needed the gold and stuff for her cages, but they never made that clear in the original move. Plus, why would she buy the metal when she can just steal it.
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Vox finds Po practicing Kung Fu, and Po offers to teach her. Vox doesn’t believe him, but Po reassures her he’s being 100% honest. He teaches her some basic stuff, and she picks it up pretty fast, and when she doesn’t, Po incorporates what he’s seen Vox do into his lesson. This all leads to a short spar where Vox almost beats Po but gets cocky and loses to a good ole’ fashion belly gong.
Vox questions why Po does what he does: He offers a thief a cookie, saves those who want to kill him, and teaches a thief his own moves. Po opens up about how Oogway chosing him to be the Dragon Warrior changed his life for the better. He’s made friends across all of China, found his biological dad and his people, and saved China at least three times—all just because of one moment.
Because of that, Po believes everyone deserves the same chance, no matter who they are. Those words visibly touch Vox as she almost reveals her big secret before the two are kicked out of the Thieves Den. Po and Vox sneak into Tai Zhi’s lair, and things go about the same. Now for how Tai Zhi met Vox…
Vox had been a thief well into her adult years, and a really good one, but she was tired of stealing, tired of watching over her back every second, tired of not being able to walk the city streets without seeing her face on a wanted poster. Vox wanted a new start where no one would know who she was. The problem was that most people in Juniper City were pretty poor, even the mob bosses, and Vox didn’t feel comfortable forcing someone else into poverty. So, the choice was simple: steal from Tai Zhi. Even one gemstone from her temple would set her up for life.
At the same time, Tai Zhi needed to steal the Staff of Wisdom from the Dragon Warrior, but due to all the stories she’d heard during her research, she didn’t want to risk taking him head-on. She needed a thief, and it just so happens that she knows about the best thief in the city. Tai Zhi sets up a fancy trap to bait Vox, who sees it, knows it’s a trap, but falls for it anyway. However, Vox manages to escape without a scratch until the artifact she stole is revealed to be Tai Zhi in disguise.
Tai Zhi marks Vox with a tracking spell, and while Tai Zhi could care less about Vox, there’s a pretty big bounty on her head. Not to mention, she’s stolen from some pretty powerful people who don’t really care about the reward. All Vox had to do was bring the Dragon Warrior to Tai Zhi, and she’d not only lift the curse but also let Vox take whatever she needed to disappear.
SIDE NOTE #5: I’d have Vox always scratching her neck because that’s where Tai Zhi marked her. She’d just play it off as if she had a flea problem.
Now, I don’t hate the “Villain raises a child to betray the hero” thing. It just doesn’t hit the same in the movie. We’re not given enough time to feel Vox and Po bond in the original movie. Also, if you’re like me and are unable to not analyze movies while watching them, you noticed almost immediately the aztech-esq earring Vox wore and figured out the twist.
Plus, I feel like having Vox be a reluctant thief just trying to get out of the game makes it a little easier to explain how she can betray the Tai Zhi in the end.
Now, I obviously cut the amazing Ping and Li scenes so how does Po not fall to his Death? The answer is simple: watch the Po vs Tai Lung fight again.
Seriously, go watch it. I’ll wait.
Done? Pretty awesome, right?!
Anyway, we can have Po swing from tree branches while fighting the lizard soldiers until he hits solid ground, or we can re-do KFP2 and have him fall into a river or large body of water. Back at the temple, Tai Zhi and Vox go through with the ceremony, and we’re keeping the bit about the blood moon—it’s honestly the funniest joke in the entire movie! Now, for the big reveal I set up a while back.
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Tai Zhi summons Tai Lung from the spirit realm and calls him “Master.” Before he was freed in KFP1, Zhi broke into Chorn-Gom Prison to free Tai Lung in exchange for training. Instead, Tai Lung verbally destroys her, insulted that Zhi would ever believe he needed her help. Maybe even have him almost brute force his way through his restraints just to scare her.
After Tai Lung’s death, Zhi took the “Tai” part of his name to never forget how weak and powerless Tai Lung made her feel. She steals Tai Lung’s skills and proceeds to wail on the guy, maybe even paying homage to the end of the Tai Lung vs Shifu fight, before throwing him into a cage.
Tai Zhi then releases Vox from the tracking spell and gives her a choice:
“Stay by my side and witness my rule or help yourself to however much treasure you can hold, find the farthest, darkest corner of the planet, and pray I overlook you.”
Then we cut back to Po at the bottom of the temple for the Po vs Vox scene. The only change I’d make here is just making the fight longer, showing off how much Vox has learned on this journey as well as how outclassed she is compared to Po.
Vox reveals that she is gonna to run away, and wants Po to come with her to help save as many people as they can. Po refuses but is proud of Vox and her mission, saying that if he can’t beat Tai Zhi, he’ll buy as much time as he can for Vox to escape with her people.
While Po goes Assassin’s Creed on the temple guards, Vox returns to the thieves' den and tries to convince the criminals to do the right thing because “it’s the right thing to do.” When that fails, she reminds them that if Tai Zhi is taken down, they can loot all the treasure stored in her temple.
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As the army of thieves goes to war with the temple guards, Vox sneaks in after Po. Inside, Po sneaks around as Tai Zhi fights General Kai, noticing other warriors and Lord Shen. He’s then stopped by Tai Lung, who’s disappointed in Po and remarks how Oogway may have been wrong in the end.
Kai loses and is thrown in a cage as Po makes his dramatic entrance. Tai Zhi gives the staff back and does her “you and I aren’t so different” monolog, which Po acknowledges. There’s a possibility he could have ended up like Tai Zhi if he never became the dragon warrior (Throw in one of his villains laughing in disbelief), so he offers Tai Zhi a chance to be better than the villain she is now, to learn from him.
Tai Zhi then proceeds to mock Lord Shen, General Kai, and Tai Lung about how Po stopped all of them from achieving their goals. The mocks Po, claiming that for all the good he did, for all his adventures, no one in Juniper City and beyond has ever heard about him and that once she’s done with him, Po will become what he was always meant to be, nothing.
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Have Tai Zhi call Po weak because he needed a master to make him the Dragon Warrior. Just to have the line, “Alone I mastered magic, took over the entire criminal empire of Juniper City, defeated all of your greatest enemy and treasured masters, I am my own master!”
Now, something about the original Po vs Tai Zhi fight bothered me. Across three movies, over and over again, there’s always a moment where Po gets to nerd out over Kung Fu legends and flex his knowledge. He even figured out the Wuxi Finger Hold on his own. Yet, he’s going one on one with the ultimate echo fighter of those same warriors and his knowledge does nothing to help him. Let’s fix that.
Here’s how this fight could have gone: Tai Zhi changes into a warrior, Po does his nerd bit while caught off guard, but he then picks up on the fighting style and proceeds to body Tai Zhi in record time. Rinse and repeat that a few times and then Tai Zhi tries to use Po’s old villains which backfires horribly. Eventually, she runs out of warriors and must repeat, and with transformations getting predictable, Po starts winning the fight. Until…
Tai Zhi's frustrated that she has the forms and skills of at least one hundred kung fu legends, but she can’t beat one dorky panda. In that frustration, she loses control of her shapeshifting and mixes two forms together, catching Po off guard. Tai Zhi then starts using chimera forms to gain the advantage, but before she can deal the finishing blow, Vox swoops in and saves Po.
The two hatch a plan to make Tai Zhi so mad that she loses control long enough for Po to use the Staff of Wisdom to return the stolen skills. The plan starts to work as Tai Zhi turns into that chimera dragon form, but before Po can use his staff, Tai Zhi grabs Vox, forcing Po to save her by making Tai Zhi crash.
In the aftermath, Vox finds Tai Zhi transformed into Po, and we could have a short chase before the real Po saves Vox. Po has Vox find and bring him the staff while he fights himself, which does not go well at all. Tai Zhi traps Po in a cage before Vox can get the staff back to him.
Vox is now the only one who can stop Tai Zhi. Vox tries to fight Tai Zhi head-on like Po but fails miserably. However, Vox notices that the entire temple is fit to collapse. So, Vox sticks to the shadows, taking potshots at Tai Zhi, and every time she transforms, whoever she transforms into tells her their weakness/ tell from their cage. This continues until the temple starts to collapse, and as Tai Zhi tries to escape, Vox fights her head-on again to keep her inside (this is where she’d scream, “You fool! You’ll kill us both!”).
As the dust settles, Po stands up from under the rubble and helps Vox up, noting that he could have escaped earlier but she was doing such a good job and didn’t want to interrupt. The other spirit warriors get from under the rubble and thank Po for freeing them. As Po prepares to open a portal to the spirit realm, let’s say Master Wolf tries to sneak attack Po from behind but gets decked by Tai Lung, transforming back into Tai Zhi.
Tai Lung mocks his wannabe successor by saying; “first lesson, know when to quit.” Tai Lung then steps out of the way, and Po returns all of the skills to the spirit warriors. As they return to the spirit realm, Tai Lung acknowledges Po and what he’s become and also recognizes his “pupil,” referring to Vox. Not wanting to be outshined, though, he takes Tai Zhi with him into the spirit world, finally taking her on as his student, whether she likes it or not.
And the story ends basically the same: Vox and Po return to the Valley of Peace, Po offers to train Vox at the Jade Palace to Shifu’s frustration, and credits.
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Wait! One more change…
Shifu meditates under the peach tree with Po joining him shortly after that. Po can’t meditate to save his life, so Shifu questions why he’s here. Po admits that Shifu was right, that it’s time for Po to pass the torch, but also thanks Shifu. Po knows it wasn’t easy for Shifu to train someone like him, but he did, and because of Shifu, Po has never been happier with his life.
I don’t know if this will be the last Kung Fu Panda movie, but if it is, I’d like a nice moment between Shifu and Po and maybe ghost Oogway. Just wrap a nice bow on it.
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And that’s it—that’s the rewrite. Wow! That’s a lot of words (3,573, to be exact). Like I said, I’m not a scriptwriter. I’m just a guy with a little too much time on his hands. Kung Fu Panda 4 was, and still is, a solid movie that I’ll definitely watch again, along with the other three, and so should you.
I had a total blast writing this, and I hope you enjoyed reading it.
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futuristicnightmarepeach · 1 year ago
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Who's the Alley Cat Now?
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Summary:
Ladybug wasn't super surprised that yesterday's akuma was a body swapping akuma, they were bound to have one eventually. It was also no surprise that she had switched with Chat Noir, that was to be expected. What was a surprise was where she woke up...
...in a tent in an alleyway
and she instantly realized how badly she had fucked up.
Note: has a very long prologue. like, several chapters worth.
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Archive Warning: No Archive Warnings Apply
Category: Gen
Fandom: Miraculous Ladybug
Relationships: Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir & Plagg, Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir & Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug
Characters: Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Plagg (Miraculous Ladybug), Gabriel Agreste, Nino Lahiffe, Luka Couffaine, Sabine Cheng, Tom Dupain, some OC's
Additional Tags:
Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir Never Went to Public School, Homelessness, Sentimonster Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir, Bad Parent Gabriel Agreste, Master Fu Bashing (Miraculous Ladybug), mild Marinette salt, she was groomed, Marinette Redemption, Parent Plagg (Miraculous Ladybug), Good Parents Sabine Cheng & Tom Dupain, Loss of Trust, It's a cult, no beta we die like men, Families of Choice, Bad Cops
Language: English
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Published: 2023-05-30 Updated: 2024-06-08 Words: 35,096 Chapters: 11/? Comments: 154 Kudos: 610 Bookmarks: 138 Hits: 11,871
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writerofcrazydreams · 2 years ago
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Butterfly effect of the Reversal Salt AU
First thing first, I'm not bashing Adrien, Marinette, or anyone. However, the narrative is mostly from Lila's POV so, of course, she'd throw insults like candy, undermine everyone's worth (such as calling them by a superficial attribute instead of their names), and exaggerate their flaws.
On a related note. ML's characters are flawed. Marinette has creepy stalker tendencies, Chat Noir is a dogged nice guy, the class takes advantage of Marinette (even if unwittingly), and Mme. Bustier is an enabler for bullying. I'm not willing to overlook those flaws but seeing most of the characters are teenagers, I think they have room to grow and all of them deserve a chance for redemption. Yes, even Lila, loath as I am to say it. Most of the kids have also virtues worth of notice.
Secondly, this is a writing prompt. After reading too many Lila Salt Fics and a Lilanette one I stumbled upon by accident, my brain decided to wonder how would a Salt Fic be if Marinette and Adrien's roles were reversed.
For want of a nail (i.e., transferring six months later in the year), Lila has set her sights on budding fashion designer Marinette Dupain-Cheng. Because Marinette is infatuated by Adrien Agreste, Lila needs to get him out of the way. As a result, she plans on ostracizing him from the class and demonizing him so Marinette would lose interest. Lila's actions have some unexpected positive side effects. She's possessive, so everything Marinette does has to be to Lila's benefit which leads Lila to shame the classmates on how much they take Marinette for granted. Whether Lila successfully traps Marinette in an abusive romantic relationship it's up to whoever wants to continue this thing. More impactful is the fact Lila was never akumatized into Volpina or Chameleon, thus preventing Heroes' Day from happening. This means that Hawk Moth achieved the mass akumatization and discovered the temporary heroes' identities in another way or didn't do it at all. Another ripple effect is Lila getting a Miraculous by virtue of being on Ladybug's good side. I don't think Rena Rouge will be replaced, so no Volpina, but I'm betting she gets one of the Zodiac Miraculous or the Peacock if the heroes manage to retrieve it from Mayura.
In spite of a nail, Lila still eventually associates with Gabriel Agreste to manipulate his son into doing her bidding. And I can assure you she's still the cause of several akumas (the shaming part). She will still wrap Damoclès and Bustier around her little finger by claiming she's being bullied by a fellow student. Furthermore, it's still well in the realm of possibility Lila gets akumatized at some point. The girl' still has a penchant for holding petty grudges, so it's bound to happen. Maybe she does get turned into Volpina or Chameleon, but it will be later and in different circumstances. "The Collector" still happens more or less the same as Gabriel will akumatize himself to retrieve the Grimoire and get the heroes off of his trail, though there's the chance the middlewoman (Ladybug) is cut and Chat Noir gives the book directly to Master Fu, causing him to meet the guardian. Will that make Adrien a more responsible hero and prevent his tantrums from being locked out of the loop? It depends. If somehow Ladybug and Chat Noir go together, Ladybug will still be Fu's successor but Chat Noir will know more things from the get-go. If it's only him, either the guardian contacts Marinette later or starts training Adrien. Keep in mind, though, that his packed schedule won't allow him to visit Fu as frequently as Canon!Marinette could.
Whether she starts working for Hawk Moth is uncertain, though. It depends on your take on this prompt so nails don't have a say in this matter. Or not an obvious one, at least.
In the third place, this is a writing prompt and, as such, people have utter freedom to make of it what they want. Wanna bash the hell out of Adrien? Of Alya? Mme. Bustier? Chloé? Even Marinette? Go on. I think the kids can grow into better people, but if other writers disagree, have different stories in mind, or are simply salty over someone, I won't be the one to put limits to their creativity and desires. The same applies to whomever you choose to redeem. That's why I left it very ambiguous throughout the prompt on whether Chloé is working towards her Redemption or following her canonical Damnation. She defends Ladybug because she loves the heroine, she snickers when Alya has to change seats because she feels vindicated ("Origins" episode), and she stands for Adrien because he's her childhood friend. In the former case, both the vindication and the insults are little steps backward, especially considering Chloé knows how much Adrien fears conflict (he won't and doesn't defend himself that much).
Having said that, for all I respect freedom of speech, that doesn't mean I'll condone or agree with everything people write inspired on this prompt. Have fun, but it's not my responsibility if we end up with a "Dead Dove: Don't Eat" kind of fic, okay?
Fourth, here are some of my ideas about this Reversal Salt AU.
Lila's mother, here dubbed as Signora Rossi (Signora means Mrs. in Italian), is not an abusive parent but possibly a slightly neglectful one. That doesn't mean she's a bad person or that she loves her daughter any less. It just means she's caught up in a very demanding job either because she's ambitious and wants to succeed in her work field (which is fine) or because she's a single mother and thus is stretching herself thin to fulfill her daughter's physical and emotional needs. Or maybe she just wants to believe the best of her daughter and turns a blind eye to Lila's misdeeds. Despite that, she's caring and loving. I'm not keen on demonizing Signora Rossi because of these reasons but it is clear she ought to pay a little bit more attention to what her daughter is up to and is likely she for some reason failed to instill integrity in kid!Lila. An excellent take on this matter can be found in this fanfic: "A mother's love".
On the other hand, it's also entirely possible Lila was born a psychopath. I've been researching and some psychologists hold that a sociopath is made through trauma and a psychopath is born, but the result is the same anti-social tendencies. Though if you want to make her a sociopath and give her a traumatic past, go on. Canon!Lila not only scores high in psychopathy but also Machiavellism and Narcissism.
In regards to her other parent, I left their gender ambiguous because there are some fan theories that Lila has two mothers. Or it's maybe just an animation error, but I don't like to throw the chance out of the window. Now, in the case it wasn't a mistake, both mothers are what I described a paragraph ago but fanfiction exists to explore different scenarios anyway, so... Maybe this other parent influenced Lila to become who she is now.
About Adrien. As I said above, the kid does have some nasty flaws. What he does to Ladybug at the very least verges on sexual harassment and he's proven to be manipulative (throwing tantrums when rejected). In this AU, said flaws are at play as much as Marinette's flaws were in canon. She partially misused her powers out of jealousy (partially because she had a point in that Lila was making herself a target) and her reasons to eavesdrop on Lila and Adrien are definitely not pure. Here, it's her tendency to obsess over and idealize her crush what is going to be her downfall. I'm not victim-blaming, but abusers prey on their victim's weaknesses and those just happen to be Marinette's. And that's not counting how Marinette's yearn for control was aggravated since the "Chat Blanc" incident (it happens later, but the base is already there). Nonetheless, I'm of the idea that Lila opened Marinette's eyes a little when she attacked her crush on Adrien (like pointing out being a stalker is not healthy) and that's going to bite her in the ass later on. Marinette being a doormat to her friends is more tricky since Lila made it as to ensure Marinette will remain a doormat to her but not anyone else. It's workable when the time to heal comes.
By contrast, Adrien's doormat policies, pushiness, obliviousness, and social ineptitude are still going to be rocks in his path. He's now crossed at Lila for several reasons. The obvious is her "bad-mouthing" Chat Noir, but there's more. Up to this point, Lila has consistently stirred trouble in the classroom, menacing the peace he values so much. It's Lila's fault (or that's how he sees it) Marinette is "abandoning" her friends and being "mean" to them. His upbringing has left him rather unable to understand that kindness is not a synonym of "absolutely catering to someone's wishes" (as he often does with Chloé and always with his father) and that this behavior is not healthy. His obliviousness comes into play in regards to just how much Marinette means to him (platonically or romantically). Lila has been monopolizing Marinette all to herself even when the class hangs out as a group, which severely cuts the already scarce time the two interact. He's jealous without being aware of it. It doesn't help how touchy-feely Lila and Marinette are because it sometimes causes discomfort to the latter, which Adrien picks up and not only notices Lila's hypocrisy but also rubs him in the wrong way as it mirrors his behavior as Chat Noir. Now, don't get me wrong, the least he wanted was to cause a scene but couldn't help but glare and Lila capitalized on that.
What does Lila think of Ladybug? "Volpina" never happened and this Lila only intended on pursuing Adrien before discovering Marinette's promising career, so neither hates the other one nor harbors a grudge. In fact, I doubt this AU would last much if that were the case. I left open the possibility of Lila being the anti-Chloé (hates Ladybug, loves Marinette) with that part of suspecting Marinette is crushing on Ladybug (*laughs in Plagg*), but I have to note that the hatred cannot be mutual for this to work. Canon!Lila loathes Chat Noir and it's likely that will remain the same, just less vocal (Marinette admires Ladybug and has a way of contacting the heroine, so Lila won't bad-mouth Chat Noir in front of Ladybug).
What roles would Luka and Kagami play in this AU? Obviously, the love-dodecaedron has shifted. There are at least three people after Marinette/Ladybug's affections: Chat Noir, Luka, and Lila. And whoever you ship Marinette with. And, now, there are only two girls wanting to date Adrien/Chat Noir: Kagami and Marinette. Chloé is uncertain because it was stated at some point she wasn't in love with Adrien, she was just possessive for some reason (fanon says it was to protect him from fangirls and fanboys). One possible scenario in this AU is that Marinette's feelings towards Adrien fade for the most part (maybe they will resurge later or shift to return Chat Noir's), depending on how efficient you want to portray Lila.  Getting back to the point, Luka still has a crush on Marinette as revealed in "Silencer" and Kagami on Adrien but the events of "Oni-chan" developed differently and it's as equally possible that she confessed her crush on him/was akumatized than it hasn't happened yet. If Lila somehow catches wind of Kagami's crush, she will set the two up to force Marinette to move on. She might even encourage Marinette and Kagami's friendship to bind Marinette to obey the girl code and support Kagami. If she learns of Luka's crush, then she'll either play the card that "he's too old for Marinette" (if we disregard the retcon) or try to exclude him from the class' activities. Taking more extreme measures will tip Marinette off of Lila's true nature. As I side note: I like this more than canon because I'm TIRED of watching four girls fighting over a guy.
How will Alya and Nino react? Without the jealousy component, what are the grounds to dismiss his warnings? Well, Adrien still takes the high road so he won't publicly confront Lila on her manipulations. He dreads conflict too much and if he finally does it, it will be too late — either Lilanette is official or everyone else believes so, therefore the class will be prone to believe Adrien is jealous. The lack of public accusations also rob Lila of one of her primary strategies: turn on the waterworks. Consequently, everything will be much more underhanded. Lila's association with Gabriel will result in Adrien spending far less time with his friends and maybe even pulling the same stunt of threatening them in the hopes of creating powerful akumas (again, "Chat Blanc" episode). But I digress, Lila will relentlessly target Alya and Adrien for supporting LadyNoir. Maybe Alya will learn her lesson but as Adrien already sees Lila in a bad light, he will take longer to budge or won't do it at all. Nino will try to change Adrien's opinion and that'll cause a gap between the two. Nino is very laidback, so he won't push as much but will be vulnerable to Lila's poisoning. Alya will remain Marinette's friend but butt heads with Lila as the latter tries to correct her occasional forcefulness. Marinette will intervene and either Alya regards Lila in a positive light because she did help Marinette (in a sense) or by holding onto her stubbornness will have a fallout with Lila and seek flaws on her. All in all, Alya and Nino's behavior are wildly variable. The only secure thing is that Lila is as capable as in canon of swaying them to her favor and making them unwittingly throw a friend under the bus, just in a different way.
I don't know if you've noticed but there's a theme about how holding onto flaws can sometimes yield positive results, often aided by virtues. In canon, it was how holding onto virtues can sometimes yield negative results, often exacerbated by flaws. Marinette's hatred of liars and loyalty to her friends are virtues but landed her on a bully's bad side and got isolated. Her jealousy and stalker tendencies (both flaws) didn't help matters at all. Meanwhile, Adrien's desire to see the best in everyone and give second chances are virtues but they made him act in the wrong way and fail to support a friend. His learned fear of conflict and submissiveness only made things worse. Lila has the virtue of being charming (for the wrong reasons, but still) and knowing her way with people which would turn her into a fine leader. Yet, she causes mayhem and destroys people's lives by using those virtues along with her fatal flaws — narcissism and vindictiveness.
In the Reversal Salt AU, however, most of the positive results stem from holding onto one's flaws. If Alya remains stubborn, she eventually learns Lila's nature aided by her reporter abilities and determination. If Marinette refuses to let go of her obsessiveness and refuses to think the worse of her friends, she forces Lila to ditch subtlety and thus expose herself. If Adrien continues walking the high road and keeps being nice, he provides Lila with far less ammunition against him. Nino has proved to be distrustful (dismissing Marinette in the Lila ordeal and believing Alya is two-timing him in "Rocketear") and if he does that here, he'll catch on to Lila's manipulations and even call her out given his outgoing nature.
This brief interpretation is merely a suggestion and, again, you are not obliged to use it as the central theme of your story. Personally, I'd use the whole "holding onto flaws gets better results" as a temptation in the characters' arcs whereas the "working on my flaws unwittingly aids the villain" as an angst-fuel when the characters learn of Lila's manipulations. One of the traits of an abusive relationship (romantic or otherwise) is how much the victim struggles to stop believing their abuser's words. Nobody is always wrong, so if my abuser was right about/helped me with this thing, would they be right about/had helped with this other one? Often, it comes down to finding a balance: you keep whatever good things you got from the relationship while discarding the harmful ones. Naturally, this is a lengthy, stressful process that Lila can very well exploit to blackmail her victims, make them second-guess themselves, or just make them miserable.
Last but not least, I want to comment on two Lila Salt Fics that depict similar ideas, although I only found them after crafting this AU. Little spoilers warning about them. The first is "Liar's New BFF" and delves into the idea of Lila being the anti-Chloé. After having her lies exposed at the end of "Volpina", she starts regarding the classmates as vermin and genuinely falls in love with Marinette because of her kindness. She then proceeds to create a riff between Marinette and them by pointing out how much they take advantage of her. In this case, Lila is partially redeemed and doesn't seem to hold a particular grudge against Adrien. The Reversal Salt AU can follow a similar path if you want to, but the idea is to not shy away from Lila's many shortcomings as a human being and how that would affect Marinette and Adrien in an alternate scenario.
The other is "Jerk in Sheep's Clothing", where Lila's spear counterpart, called Henri, acts pretty much as I described Reversal Salt!Lila. He gets infatuated by Marinette and after threatening Lila, makes a deal with her so it's easier for both to accomplish their goals (Lila: get Adrien and be popular, Henri: get Marinette all for himself). He exploits Marinette's broken trust in the classmates to bully them and get away with it, collaborates with Hawk Moth at some point, and even gets a Miraculous. The difference between them is that Reversal Salt!Lila doesn't have the benefit of Marinette being emotionally vulnerable due to Canon!Lila's bullying, nor her faith in her friends is weakened. This means this AU's Lila must resource to more deceptive tactics to get what she wants (she can't blatantly lie).
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a-dauntless-daffodil · 2 years ago
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If you dont mind me asking, while dont you want to rewatch how to train your dragon or ratatouille, but spiderverse is a fav?
I love movie vents
Oh Dear
so- to start with, again, these movies are GOOD! they are good and i am glad they exist. i just have to stay far far away from them.
the why starts years ago. it starts with reading book after book after book.... after book... and watching movie after movie after mov- you get it, just basically Everything- where the default non-romance story is about a Boy.
And often this boy is mediocre. He's relatable, you know? He's just normal. But by the end, he's done all this cool stuff and got all this cool stuff- He won the thing! Or got the thing! He showed everyone just how good he was- okay sometimes yes by lying about it for most of the story but he comes clean in the end so it's fine.
Usually he also gets a girl. Or impresses her. Something like that.
That was. Well. It got stale after a while. I have four sisters and was raised by my single mom. People (mostly) looked at me and saw a girl.
But hey, the stories and movies had other stuff I like so whatever, you know? Aliens and swords and stuff. Maybe the main character was character I liked the least, so what. The story needed him to exist.
What does this have to do with the three animated movies so many people fell in love with?
Well.
They each remember girls exist. And ladies can be cool. They can be good at stuff!
But.
No matter how good she is, no matter how much she's trained or how hard she worked or respects this thing or how much it means to her-
the guy will be better at it than her
the guy. who couldn't do the thing at all.
he just needs a quick montage, or a rat under his hat, and suddenly she's in the dust
And you know what that's fine it's fine it's especially fine in Kung Fu Panda where the boy (po) is fat and the point is that's okay he can be fast and graceful and powerful and cool- THAT i've never seen before and it's Amazing-
only. po still.... he still gets the place tigress spent her whole life training for.
This still in a world where most of the powerful people (shifu, tai lung, oogway, the other kung fu masters we see in that and later films) most of them are, well, guys.
It's a whole lot of guys.
Everywhere. Guys. Why? No idea. Their gender doesn't really inform or guide their actions. Tigress and Viper aren't commented on as rare for being lady martial artists. There's no reason for there not to be more lady kung fu masters. I guess this is a movie made by guys and so the default is guys. Fine! No problem!
im so tired
po becomes dragon warrior in a montage of training and a quick dose of self realization. tigress is impressed and stops being mean to him. the fandom wants them married
no big deal
I'll come back to that in a moment, but-
Hiccup is the mediocre guy (by viking standards) who through trickery (empathy) becomes the best at this thing that this girl he likes is really good at. but he comes clean in the end and she's very impressed and he's so much better at the thing now he's the best at the thing and saves her at some point and now she's into him and they get together
tired
hey there's this guy and he's bad at thing and this cool girl is good at thing so through trickery he gets better at her than thing bc there's a rat under his hat but don't worry he comes clean and the girl is very impressed
i can't . im too tired
if she didn't like him before he was cool, i don't want them together afterwards.
I'm so exhausted of being told it's sweet
the same implication bashed over my head again and again- a guy cannot be loved if he is just a dork or just mediocre. He has to also be "cool".
The girl won't notice or like him until he is Better than her at the thing she loves
the other implication- no matter how hard a girl trains, how long she studies, how much she works for it- the guy can learn it in a montage and do it better. Or he can lie about it and that's okay too.
(po was a kung fu nerd but im sorry, im sorry that's not the same as training from childhood)
(do you remember how in legally blonde the ex boyfriend wasn't even that good at lawyer studies like elle getting better than him didn't mean her being the best ever and she ends up being so good bc of the other stuff that WAS part of her main life experience?? remember that?????)
(maybe if they'd leaned in more into Po's fat protecting him and his nerdness or cooking xp guiding him against tai lung, but he uses epic kung fu to fight the most dangerous master around and holds his own. he does better than tigress did with four others to back her up. im sorry. i know it's awesome and im glad it's a film. i can't rewatch it)
WHY did they make tigress want to be dragon warrior?
they never really explore her and shifu's relationship in that movie or the sequels. there's so little pay off to her accepting that she can't be the student or child shifu always wanted and lost. they are never the focus of the movies. never even plot B. Tigress didn't need to want this
the only ones who had to be ANGRY about po as dragon warrior was tai lung and shifu, his master who has to train him and the rival who wants his title. Everyone else could have just been reasonably confused and skeptical. tigress could have gone off to fight tai lung purely out of a lack of faith in po and wish to protect shifu- why why why why why did they have the plot point of her WANTING to be dragon warrior and RESENTING po for taking it? why did they have po filling this role she worked so hard to be ready for?
why did her character have to be a SHE for that, in a world with almost no other important or powerful ladies?
oh. right. girls can be good, but the guy will be better. that's the only way she'll respect him.
i've seen this story before
I don't think it's insidious or anything like that. It's just, the normal.
That's why I can't watch it.
im tired
Atlantis The Lost Empire- Milo is a noodle guy he solves things with brains and compassion and curiosity, Kida is the one with a spear, the lady throwing guys around-
ah but we must have Milo physically brawl with the villain to save Kida. he can be a lame nerd, but only if he also is "Cool"
tired
NOW. Spiderman Into the Spiderverse!
Miles never takes Gwen's place.
They are BOTH their universe's spiderman- he CAN'T replace her, he CAN'T outdo her, he CAN'T be better than her-
because there is no Best version of spiderman
a pig can be spiderman
YOU can be spiderman
so when he gets his confidence in time for the last fight, when Miles finds his groove and takes his leap of faith after a whole movie of stumbling around flailing frantically and turns badass- he takes NOTHING from Gwen. Nothing.
She is still her world's spidy,
and AND she liked him BEFORE he was "cool"!!!!!
When he was a mess desperately trying to figure things out, she tried to help him. Worked with him. Became friends with him.
Friends.
That also. My gods. He tries to flit at the end, she smiles and says friends, he smiles and they fist bump over it.
He got cool and didn't get the girl.
He was himself and already had a friend.
She is powerful and cool and a girl and worked hard to get where she is, and no one EVER outdoes her at it.
You can make a story about a normal guy becoming badass while crushing on an awesome girl, you can LIFT HIM UP without having to PUSH HER DOWN.
They can stand on the same level and be epic together.
I've needed to see that story, for so. Fucking. Long.
so yeah. my tiny personal problem. there 'tis
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wheredostarsgowhenyoudie · 2 years ago
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ML Awakening Reaction
WARNING: This post includes spoilers so beware!!
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So I just watched the movie ML Awakening.
In my personal opinion, I think it is not really made for ML fans, but more for those who haven't watched the series ML and those who have only watched a few eps. If that really is the creators' purpose, then they might have done something. But as a fan, I feel I was let down. Tbh, it isn't what I wanted nor what I was looking for in an ML movie.
Thing is, if I'm going to introduce someone to the fandom, that is also not the way I'd do it. See, back then when I didn't know what ML is and had no idea such a show exists, I have a cousin who introduced it to me, way too enthusiastically, mind you. And she started with the partner heroics and the love square. She pressed on the sad life of Adrien and how Mari fell for the boy who saw her as a friend, and how the cat hero in the mask fell in love with said friend in mask unknowingly.
So what is magical about ML is the brilliant plot. The love square is a unique concept, and it got me hooked waiting and looking forward to the revelations and the developments of their relationships and characters. The movie missed that.
Character and relationship wise, there isn't much in the movie except Adrien has a spine and Gabriel actually cares about him.
Movie missed how Tikki and Mari became friends and supported each other. Movie missed how Plagg is protective of Adrien and cares for him more than the kid's own legal guardian does. Movie missed how Mari almost passed the LB mantel to Alya. Movie missed how even the kwamis saw that their holders are made for each other. Movie missed how Chat Noir is a perfect gentleman even when he was turned down.
Character wise, I honestly cringed at Mari's in the movie. Sorry. But, Idk. I understand fear, but the way the plot was so fast phased and people were needing help and she was just there, taking her time...Tikki's urging also didn't help. Even Tikki was getting impatient with her. And no, there was no kindness in Tikki or Master Fu. Mari had it right. They just seemed like creepy thingies who speak vodoo.
We also didn't get to see Adrien's cool first time as Chat Noir. That would have been fun if they showed the difference in Mari's and Adrien's first transformation. That would have built up character.
Also, first meeting wise? The movie version has nothing compared to the show.
And not to be mean but I can't help but cringe on Adrien's taste in music. It's so bad.
Though spoiler wise, if you want an identity reveal, go for the movie to satisfy your curiosity and wishing heart. So you can see it with your eyes open. But for the love of everything, watch the show. Please. Watch the show. And read fanfics. Those are way so much better.
The ML show's plot is like it's made for preteens to adults. The ML movie is...well, it's like it's made for kids. Maybe that is why it is like that. And really I won't believe you if you say it's just me. If you're a fan, I bet it's impossible not to notice.
Still, I do not mean to hurt the movie or bash it. No. Just, I want to set expectations, especially for those who are long time fans like myself. Because I did have my expectations. So there.
Still, thanks for all the effort. :) It was nice.
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ao3feed-brucewayne · 1 year ago
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Following Your Arrow Might Not Be So Easy
by StormOfWolves This is 1) A saltfic, 2) A found family fic, 3) Verrryyy self indulgent. Marinette gets a gift from Jagged, kicked out of her parent's home, and finds a new family all in a short time (I kinda suck at summaries so...please give it a chance?) Words: 501, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English Series: Part 1 of Self-Indulgent Fics Fandoms: Miraculous Ladybug, Batman - All Media Types, Maribat - Fandom Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Categories: F/F, F/M, M/M, Multi Characters: Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Markov (Miraculous Ladybug), Alix Kubdel, Nino Lahiffe, Kagami Tsurugi, Luka Couffaine, Marc Anciel, Max Kanté, Nathaniel Kurtzberg, Félix (Miraculous Ladybug PV), Sabrina Raincomprix, Juleka Couffaine, Lê Chiến Kim, Chloé Bourgeois, Tim Drake, Jason Todd, Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown, Dick Grayson, Damian Wayne, Bruce Wayne, Alfred Pennyworth Relationships: Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug & Jason Todd, Chloé Bourgeois & Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Cassandra Cain & Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Stephanie Brown & Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug & Damian Wayne, Tim Drake & Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug & Dick Grayson, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug & Max Kanté, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug & Markov, Juleka Couffaine & Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug & Alix Kubdel, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug & Tikki, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug & Nino Lahiffe, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug & Lê Chiến Kim, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug & Sabrina Raincomprix, Marc Anciel & Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug & Nathaniel Kurtzberg Additional Tags: Miraculous Side Effects, Protective Plagg (Miraculous Ladybug), Plagg is a Little Shit (Miraculous Ladybug), Supportive Plagg (Miraculous Ladybug), Original Akuma (Miraculous Ladybug), Lesbian Juleka Couffaine, Bisexual Chloé Bourgeois, Bisexual Kagami Tsurugi, Pansexual Luka Couffaine, Bisexual Nino Lahiffe, Sabine Cheng and Tom Dupain Bashing, Lila Rossi Bashing, Lila Rossi's Lies Are Exposed, Evil Lila Rossi, class salt, Chloé Bourgeois Redemption, Adrien salt, Marinette owns a teashop, Dead Master Fu (Miraculous Ladybug), Guardian of the Miraculous Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Bee Chloé Bourgeois | Queen Bee, Fox Juleka Couffaine, Ladybug Kagami Tsurugi, Black Cat/Mouse Marinette, Rabbit/Snake Luka, Badass Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Marinette can use all the miraculous, Jasonette bromance, Timari bromance, Daminette bromance, Chaotic Marinette, Supportive Dick Grayson, Bruce Wayne is Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug's Biological Parent, This is a self indulgent crackfic via https://ift.tt/MfYSX9I
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dreamsummerfyre · 2 months ago
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Control Your Excess Braking
Do you pedal just for the heck of it, when you don’t really need to speed up? Of  course not. So why do you brake for no reason? Blame fear. Most of us scrub speed whenever we feel nervous. Those levers are like our little blankie; they comfort us and tell us we’re in control. The thing is, while we’re on the brakes, we usually have less control. Dragging them makes your bike unruly. Grabbing them makes you crash. Try to brake only when there’s a real reason to slow down. If you’re nervous with your speed, don’t drag the brakes. Instead, brake hard to slow way down; then let your bike roll. 
When you feel sketchy again, shut it back down.
Riding problems seldom arise from not braking often  enough. They usually come from braking too often. In  sketchy situations, you’re just a twitch away from an unfortunate washout or an over-the-bars calamity. If an obstacle pops up on the trail, you should be looking far enough ahead to react to it;  if you hit a patch of ice or something, braking is the last thing you want to do.  If you drag the brakes because you believe you should be doing something, try pumping the bumps or even pedaling instead. Write this on your handlebars: Brake less. Pump more. Remember: Improper or excessive braking is the  number one way to mess up your bike’s handling:
Unless you are a kung fu braking master, you become tense and unbalanced. But this can be fixed with practice.
Braking eats up part of your “traction pie,” which  leaves less adhesion for cornering. This is a really bad place to grab your front brake.
With your wheels unable to spin freely, your bike  bashes into bumps instead of rolling and skimming  over them.
Some suspension designs lock out under hard braking. When this happens, you bash into bumps even harder, which is not good. Stick this to your refrigerator: Brake hard to slow down; then get back to coasting and pumping. Exercise Braking is a skill like any other. No, it’s actually more important than the others. As your braking fu gets better, try these drills, taken from Lee’s coaching: • Coast down a hill; then start braking at a set point. See how short you can make your stopping distance. Start on pavement and work up to loose dirt. • Try to stop on the hill. How quickly can you do that? • Sprint down a long flight of stairs and try to stop at the bottom step. Now do it with neutral hands. (Hint: It’s all about body position.) When you can brake hard on a bumpy surface—while maintaining tea party fingers—you’ll be ultra confident on steep, rough descents.
--Brian Lopes ibid.
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creative1tech · 1 year ago
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miraculouslbcnreactions · 9 months ago
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One thing that I probably should have added to this post is that I'm not actually 100% sure what salt even is. Some people treat it as a synonym for bashing, which is basically defined as, "a fic meant to show the character(s) in question in as negative a light as possible even if that portrayal has no basis in canon or only leans into the absolute worst possible read of canon, ignoring all of the character's positive traits."
Others define salt as "anything that portrays any character that I like in an even remotely negative light even if the negative parts are fully based in something canon regularly does with this character."
I get the first definition. I'm really confused by the second one, but it seems to be the one the fandom clings to. It's actually why I made this blog in the first place. I wanted to be able to talk about the show in something other than a totally positive light, but even the remotest hint of negativity makes you a salter, so I accepted my place on the "dark side." It's way more fun to fully engage with a piece of media than it is to do this weird, toxic-positivity thing where you pretend it's flawless and treat anyone who disagrees or points out a flaw as unworthy of your fandom. You don't have to engage with those people, but telling them to get out is bullying, full stop. You don't own fandom no matter how popular you are and, for a lot of people, it's really hard to do things like write fanfic without wanting to talk about the failures of canon as those failures are often what inspire people to create fan content.
Like I said in the initial post, I truly don't mind fics that take the poor writing and use it to give someone a character arc. I think they're a vital part of any fandom.
You want to give Adrien a lesson on healthy relationships leading into him being a better partner to Ladybug? I'm here for it!
You want to show Alya discovering that she was wrong to trust Lila, leading to Alya learning to be more discerning and a better friend? I'm here for that, too! Especially if it leads to Alya brutally taking Lila down.
You want to give Marinette a lesson on delegating responsibility or learning that the rules master Fu and Tikki insist on are wrong, leading to her being a better guardian? I'm all ears!
It's the takes where Adrien is an incel or Alya is somehow worse than Lila or Marinette is breaking promises that she never once made on screen that are a hard "no" for me. They're what I think of when I think "salt." But even then I don't think those fics don't belong in the fandom. I just don't read them. It's very easy to do. Miraculous is hardly starving for content, though it will start to starve if people feel like they aren't welcome in this fandom unless they worship at the altar of canon which is a standard no healthy fandom can have.
What are your opinions on more „popular“ salt takes about Adrien and Mari, like the typical „Adrichat is an ass for for flirting with LB after she rejects him“ and „Maribug us a horrible stalker“?
Well, I'd be lying if I said that I have no idea where they're coming from. There are definitely times when I'll watch an episode and wonder what in the world the writers are trying to do, especially when it comes to Adrien's behavior as it's played a lot more straight than Marinette's. While I don't like her behavior at times, it's almost always treated as a joke, not a dramatic character beat whereas I cannot say the same for Adrien.
But these are characters in a TV show, not real people and we need to keep that in mind when judging them. It's why my go-to thought is "what is wrong with the writing staff" and not "Adrien is an incel." Because Adrien is very clearly not supposed to be an incel. Unless the writers are plotting something truly asinine, the Love Square is our end game couple. We are supposed to view Adrien as a charming and funny romantic lead. When he falls short of that role, it's not Adrien "showing his true colors." He's a fictional character. He has no true colors. If his actions and words are ever unbecoming for a romantic lead, it's because the writers are failing to write Adrien the way they want us to see him.
They consistently do this to all of the characters. Alya's supposed to be an awesome friend and a smart journalist (I think), but she can't see through Lila's BS. Marinette's parents are supposed to be loving and supportive, but they randomly believed that their daughter stole from their bakery to make a dress and didn't even try to let her explain herself. Nino is supposed to be the Chosen of Protection, but he didn't care to protect his best friend and just happily sent Gabriel on a rampage without a second thought.
Give me a character and I can point to a bunch of episodes that justify every salty take this fandom has because they're not pulling this stuff from thin air. They're picking and choosing the worst writing in the show and venting about it, which is frankly understandable. Like I get why there are so many Alya salt fics. Her writing in the Lila episodes is infuriating and I do find those fics a little cathartic at times. But it's really, really obvious that she's not supposed to be a terrible friend. She's a victim of the writers drawing the Lila plot line out for far too long and making Lila's lies far too obvious.
Similarly, a lot of the issues with Adrien and Marinette stem from the fact that you simply can't draw a romance plot out for five seasons without causing issues unless you make the romance a background plot. But they didn't do that. The love square is front and center for most episodes, but since it can't actually resolve, the writers keep adding drama that makes our leads feel horribly unhealthy.
On the Marinette side, her not being able to talk to Adrien was fine as an initial issue, but we are five seasons into this show. Over 100 episodes! You reach a point where it stops being cute and starts being concerning. It's also not helped by the fact that Marinette's crush is written like a celebrity crush and not a crush on someone she actually knows. Daily exposure to Adrien should mellow her out. Especially since he's supposed to be her friend! But if the writers let Marinette talk to Adrien, then they'd grow closer and might feel like they had to get together, so they couldn't let that. Thus Marinette being a disaster for four seasons and the terrible shoehorned plot to try and justify it in season five.
On the Adrien side, they let Chat Noir confess too soon. Prior to that, the Ladynoir relationship was a playful one where it was feasible that Ladybug just viewed her kitty as a massive flirt. This was especially true since he flirts with everyone. But once she knew that he was serious? The playfulness vanished and Chat Noir started coming across as entitled and pushy. It didn't help that they had him ignoring her preferences ("Don't call me Bugaboo") and getting them in trouble by not taking his job seriously (his flirting getting them hit in Oblivio).
In summary, the love square should have been resolved much sooner or been relegated to a b plot that got far less attention. I also would have reversed the square since it makes for a far more interesting story that you can organically draw out longer, but that's just me. I don't have any issue with people ignoring the canon problems and just writing Adrien and Marinette as the cute couple that they were obviously intended to be. I also enjoy fics that treat Adrien's pushiness as a character flaw that can be resolved because that's what canon should have done. His issues aren't the mark of a terrible person. They're the understandable flaws of a teenager who is in love for the first time and doesn't know how to express himself. If a show would actually address this kind of common tween/teen issue, then a lot of kids would get an incredibly valuable lesson that would help them when they grow up and fall in love. If you're ever watching Miraculous with a kid, I strongly encourage you to approach Adrien's character from that perspective. Talk about why his actions are understandable, but ultimately wrong and more likely to push someone away than win their heart just like we see with Ladybug.
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