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monocotyledons · 4 months

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Soobin's MBTI and what it actually means

So Soobin went live today and retook the MBTI test, and he's an ISFP-A! Since he took the test live we actually have a record of his MBTI trait percentages, his responses, and even his thoughts on some of his responses. I thought it would be fun to do a little breakdown of his results and what they really mean from a personality psychology perspective! (Full disclosure: I am a research psychologist-in-training so I'll be applying what I know from my irl experiences.)

DISCLAIMERS: I don't know Soobin personally so all of my analyses will be based on his answers to the test as well as how he presents himself in public, such as lives, interviews, variety show appearances, etc. Also I am not affiliated with 16Personalities so I can't say with 100% certainty which test items are linked to which traits, and I don't know how their scoring system works, but I can make informed guesses based on my experiences with other personality tests.

Let's begin!

Prologue: The 16Personalities Franken-MBTI

For this case it's important that we talk about the version of the MBTI that Soobin took and how it works. He took the 16Personalities test, which is not the official version of the MBTI; that would be run by the Myers-Briggs Company (whose website is down as of this writing). The model of personality used by 16Personalities, called the NERIS model, is actually Frankenstein-ed from two different personality models - something they admit themselves in the theory section of their website:

With our NERIS® model, we’ve combined the best of both worlds. We use the acronym format introduced by Myers-Briggs for its simplicity and convenience, with an extra letter to accommodate five rather than four scales. However, unlike Myers-Briggs or other theories based on the Jungian model, we have not incorporated Jungian concepts such as cognitive functions, or their prioritization. Jungian concepts are very difficult to measure and validate scientifically, so we’ve instead chosen to rework and rebalance the dimensions of personality called the Big Five personality traits, a model that dominates modern psychological and social research.

Let's break down the two models used here.

The first is, of course, the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, developed by Katharine Cook Briggs & Isabel Briggs Myers based on the work of Carl Jung. Classical MBTI is not based on personality traits but on cognitive functions, which are different ways of processing information around us: for example, the thinking function refers to the use of logical reasoning, while the feeling function refers to the use of value judgments. The goal of classical MBTI testing is to figure out which cognitive functions you use: which you default to, which helps your default, etc. This collection of cognitive functions is called a "stack," and your four-letter type tells you what the stack is made of.

The problem with cognitive functions is that they're virtually impossible to validate scientifically (even typologists can't agree on what a cognitive function is exactly), which is why they've fallen out of favor within mainstream research psychology. I don't know if the official MBTI test uses them (since their website is down I can't check), but plenty of unofficial MBTI tests don't, instead preferring the trait approach we're all familiar with. Are you introverted or extraverted? Are you a thinker or a feeler? etc.

This approach has its own issues (which I touch on a bit here), but it's the approach that 16Personalities also uses. Which brings me to the second model they use...

While the 16P test looks like MBTI, its content is actually based on the Five-Factor model, also known as the Big Five. The Big Five is actually a really good model with lots of scientific research to back it up, and (full disclosure!) it's my preferred model of personality. The premise behind the Big Five is that even though there are hundreds or even thousands of ways to describe human personality - just open a dictionary and look at how many words can be used to describe people - there are underlying patterns in our descriptions. For example, a person who is honest will most likely also be trustworthy. A person who is gregarious will most likely also be friendly. And so on.

By collecting real-world data from people in different cultures and using some special statistical techniques, researchers like Paul Costa & Robert McCrae were able to uncover these patterns as five personality traits: openness to experience, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness, and neuroticism. (More on those later.)

I want to emphasize here that none of these personality traits are inherently good or bad. They can be bad in extremes, but the vast majority of people don't fall on those extremes anyway, and being high or low in a certain trait has its advantages and disadvantages. Your score in a trait can be good for some things, but not for others.

In the 16P NERIS model, each letter in your type corresponds not to a classical MBTI function, but to a Big Five personality trait. To make up for the fact that the Big Five has (duh) five traits and MBTI only has four, a fifth letter in the type was added. The resulting test from this is what Soobin took today.

Soobin's results, a Big Five perspective

Here I'll be looking at Soobin's results for each of the 16P traits and discussing what they mean. I'll support this with his responses to the test items (credits to translatingTXT on twitter for saving all of them), as well as things he's done or said publicly in the past.

Introverted/Extraverted

In classical MBTI typology, introversion/extraversion actually refers to your orientation when processing information: an extraverted orientation uses the external world (such as real-world rules and norms) as a frame of reference, while an introverted orientation uses the internal world (such as your personal beliefs and interpretations). But in the modern sense - including in the Big Five - this trait refers to the kind of energy you seek in the environment. This includes sociability - the social environment that you seek - but it also includes how stimulating your environment is overall. Extraverts are generally energetic and like stimulating environments, and are also more prone to positive emotions like joy and excitement.

Soobin scored 74% Introverted, and he's an introvert through and through; he likes being by himself and doing his own thing, and he finds social situations exhausting. But I also think that he's a great example of personality traits being different from skills. Sure, Soobin's an introvert, but he's got really good social skills; his personality probably means that these skills don't come as naturally to him, but he's still capable of learning them. He probably learned a lot during his time as Music Bank MC, and he's not afraid to go up to people and talk to them for life advice. And even though leadership isn't something he prefers especially compared to an extravert (see his answer below), it's clear that the members respect him as a leader and seek him out for help.

Observant/Intuitive (Openness to Experience)

In classical MBTI, this aspect of personality is called Sensing vs. Intuition, and refers to your use of two different cognitive functions: sensing refers to reliance on the five senses for information, while intuition refers to reliance on inner meanings and hidden symbols. The NERIS model reworks this into Observant vs. Intuitive (neither of which start with S or N, I know) to better fit the Big Five trait that their version is based on: openness to experience.

The trait of openness reflects a person's attitude towards things that aren't necessarily grounded in day-to-day reality - the abstract, the unconventional, the creative. People high in openness enjoy abstract ideas and intellectual pursuits, are often creative and imaginative, and don't mind ambiguity. People low in openness prefer things that are conventional and concrete, want things to have straightforward utility and a clear message.

Soobin's score is 64% Observant ("observant" here meaning low openness) - generally he prefers conventional, but I think he's close enough to a 50% average to say that he isn't purely a practical guy. He is, after all, an idol - people high in openness are often drawn to artistic pursuits, which includes music and performance. He has mentioned being interested in artistic things, like wanting to play the electric guitar.

But while Soobin definitely has a level of artistic interest, he seems more content in enjoying what he knows rather than expanding, and he's pretty secure in what he likes and dislikes - and I think this is where his Observant score comes in. Like, this is a guy whose favorite song in his own discography was Our Summer for the longest time before it was dethroned by Skipping Stones. He's also mentioned that he only participates in songwriting when the topic interests him, but isn't necessarily invested in it as a craft:

"I participate in writing the lyrics if the theme interests me. The tracks in this album [Temptation] all have interesting themes, you'll see when you get the album and see the lyrics too. They all have topics that I personally think and imagine about my life, so I participated in the lyric writing this time." (The Name Chapter: Temptation Recording Behind the Scenes)

Thinking/Feeling (Agreeableness)

I struggle with interpreting this one because I'm not exactly sure what the NERIS version of this trait is trying to measure. In classical MBTI (as mentioned above), the thinking function is about processing the objective content of information (logic, truth value), while the feeling function is about processing its subjective content (e.g. how well it conforms to certain values). The version of T/F commonly seen in pop-psych is "head or heart" - do you make decisions based on just the facts or on your feelings? But psychological research shows that this is a false dichotomy - we rely on our emotions to help think through things, and they often provide us with useful information. Happiness tells us things are going well, fear and anxiety tell us something is threatening us, and so on.

Nevertheless, NERIS tries to incorporate elements of this together with the Big Five trait it's drawing from, agreeableness. While extraversion is about how well you fit into social situations, agreeableness is about how you treat people in them. People high in agreeableness try to live in social harmony by getting along with others and practicing virtues that make things easier for them. People low in agreeableness might come across as abrasive, but they're also less sensitive to hate from others and more willing to take actions that might be unpopular.

Soobin's score is a 54% Feeling ("feeling" here meaning high agreeableness), and here we see the limitations of trait-style MBTI. The dichotomous nature of a trait hides what's going on; Soobin uses Feeling on paper, but in reality he's in the middle. This should be more apparent when we look at his responses and how he acts around others.

His agreeable side seems to come out more often when it comes to his circle of loved ones: his friends and family, the members, and MOAs. He's not afraid to show kindness and gratitude towards them and is touched when they do the same for him. One of his motivations for being an idol is wanting to give love to fans and appreciate the love they give back, and he clearly treats the idol-fan relationship as a special one.

On the other hand, Soobin has no problem brushing off or even standing up to haters, and he's said that he has no intentions of trying to please people who dislike him. A person higher in agreeableness (or Feeling, in this case) would be a bit more concerned about trying to appease them.

This in-the-middle mix of agreeableness is, honestly, a pretty good thing to have in a leader or an idol. You need a healthy amount of it to express love for your members, your staff, and your fans. But you also need a thick skin to withstand unfounded criticism, as well as a tolerance for conflict even when it's socially unpleasant.

Judging/Prospecting (Conscientiousness)

In classical MBTI, this dimension is called Judging/Perceiving. It's not a pair of functions but instead a reference to help you figure out the functions in your stack: thinking and feeling are judging functions, sensing and intuition are perceiving functions. Like with S/N, NERIS renames this into Judging/Prospecting to better fit the Big Five trait it's drawing from, conscientiousness.

The trait of conscientiousness refers to one's ability to get things done and follow things through. People high in conscientiousness like to plan things in detail, are organized and goal-oriented, and generally finish what they start. People low in conscientiousness are more spontaneous and adaptable, dislike routine, and prefer to go with the flow.

Soobin's score is 86% Prospecting ("prospecting" here meaning low conscientiousness). I feel like this trait is harder to see for idols because they're always on company-mandated schedules of activities, but a really good example of this trait in action is his vacation in Japan vlog. Planning an itinerary doesn't come naturally to him, and he's okay with not following a strict sightseeing schedule so that he can relax more. For example, Soobin and his friend plan to go straight to an onsen on the second day of their trip, but they oversleep and have no problems changing their plans to just shopping and eating. They do get to the onsen eventually, but they're in no rush to. At one point in the video he even mentions his P trait as why planning is so hard for him (his score at the time was 96% P).

"This is my first time planning a trip abroad by myself. I boarded the plane myself, moved around, booked the hotel and planned everything myself. [...] Whenever I take an MBTI test I get like a 96% P, I didn't realize traveling was so hard." (15:47 - 16:39 of video)

This Weverse magazine quote also captures his spontaneous approach towards activities pretty well:

Assertive/Turbulent (Neuroticism)

This trait is exclusive to the NERIS model and was added to the four existing letters of MBTI to accommodate the additional trait of the Big Five. My biggest criticism of the NERIS model is that it treats A/T as an accessory to the other four traits instead of a trait of its own; ISFP-A and an ISFJ-A are treated as different types, but ISFP-A and ISFP-T are variations of the same type. It's not uncommon for people to leave out their A/T score when they talk about their 16Personalities results.

A/T is based on the Big Five trait of neuroticism, which is just as important as the other four - it predicts depression and anxiety disorders, for example. This trait reflects how we handle negative and stress-inducing events; people high in neuroticism feel stress easily, are prone to negative emotions like sadness and anxiety, and are more likely to self-criticize. People low in neuroticism might feel stress less, but might have a harder time registering risks and threats.

Soobin's score here is 65% assertive ("assertive" here meaning low neuroticism), again close to the average but with a leaning towards the low side. Again, this isn't an easy trait to observe in idols because a lot of the processes and actions associated with it are private and internal. But it does crop up from time to time, usually in per-performance nerves and jitters, but Soobin has mentioned that he's not the type who gets nervous easily. His answer here on how he handles stress also reflects this trait:

"I'm optimistic if you put it nicely, or some could say I'm shallow. So even if I get mad, I forget it quickly and easily. I believe that time will solve everything. So it's either the case gets resolved or my emotions die out, making me struggle less. I just think like that." (11:44 - 12:04 in video)

He's also not too critical of himself, which is pretty valuable in a profession where you're subjected to constant criticism as early are your trainee period. Not that Soobin is blind to his flaws; rather, he's not the type to get too worked up about them.

Final Thoughts

The major flaw of personality systems based on type (like classical MBTI and NERIS) is that the nuances of one's behavior are often lost in an easy-to-remember acronym that puts people into strict categories. The Big Five in its original form refers to the traits as continuums - you can be low, average, or high in a trait, often reflected as a percentile ranking based on how you compare to other test-takers - but even then, you don't see things like context or learned skills that may or may not match up with one's personality.

I've tried to untangle Soobin's personality here not just based on a catchy acronym type, but based on what those traits actually mean, how high or low they actually are, and on how they appear in context. I hope this little analysis will give a bit more insight not just on Soobin himself but also on how personality works!

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vampirepunks · 3 months

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Higgs Monaghan's MBTI + Enneagram Typology (pt. 1)

(disclaimer: this is my opinion based on deep character study, eight or so years of special interest in typology, and subjective interpretation. if you wanna argue, good luck finding my PDB. friendly debate is fine.)

MBTI: ENTP (Ne-Ti-Fe-Si)

Enneagram: 7w8

Instinctual Variant: sx/sp

Tritype: 782

MBTI Analysis

This one is easy. Higgs displays all of the classic ENTP traits. He's well-read, adaptable, strategic, authentic, contrarian/anarchistic, charismatic, energetic, emotionally guarded, impulsive, and excessively idealistic. ENTPs come in two flavors: rebel with a cause, and rebel without a cause. The former typically has a strong alignment to enneagrams 1, 7, or 8, whereas the latter is more likely to be rooted somewhere in 6, 5, or 9. This can be a pull from within the tritype or wing, but we'll get to that. Higgs is, quite obviously, the former. His rebellious nature is driven by idealism first and foremost.

ENTPs are "introverted extroverts." They thrive in the spotlight, crave attention, and love being the loudest presence in the room. However, unlike "true" extroverts (i.e. see: ESFP) they require plenty of personal space and time on their own to nurture their inner worlds, reflect on their feelings and values, and retreat into the safety of their own private minds. In a reasonably healthy ENTP, this time is often spent pursuing knowledge, fresh ideas, and deeper meaning in the world, through things like literature, arts, and creative pursuits or pet projects. In an unhealthy ENTP, that focus goes towards obsessions, fixations, and hedonism. Such as... making a conspiracy board, covering the walls in manic writings and pictures of their no. 1 enemy, and drinking... a lot. Hello, Higgs.

Function Stack Breakdown

ENTP's cognitive function stack is Ne-Ti-Fe-Si.

Ne (extroverted intuition): First and foremost, ENTPs live in a world of possibilities. Like INTJs, they live somewhere between their minds and bodies, existing in a nebulous sense of insight and personal sentiment. Where INTJ sees how the world "should" be, ENTP sees the world as it could be. This trait is amplified intensely by a core fix in enneagram 7, which many consider to be ENTP's most likely/common enneagram alignment. Ne is constantly tinkering with a thousand ideas at once, scattered in all directions. Higgs embodies this beautifully; he is an intrepid explorer, both in the material world and in the realm of ideas and philosophies, shown by his love of literature, his hands-on approach to life, his sensory fixations (must! touch! everything!), and his deep investment in history. He takes external ideas in and challenges them, redefining them to his liking. This shows in his adoption of the ancient Egyptian aesthetic/practices after reading about them, his poetry references, his adjustment of literary quotes to change the meaning ("sound and righteous fury"), and his overall fascination with the world around him.

Ti (introverted thinking): ENTPs prefer to act based on logic over emotion, processing the world through what makes sense and where their curiosity takes them. They love puzzles, problems in need of solutions, and detail-oriented issues. The Ne-Ti axis makes an educated, mature ENTP a capable, adaptable strategist who always has a plan and the ability to craft an entirely new plan B, C, D, etc, all the way to Z on a moment's notice. They're rarely shaken by change, likely to relish the challenge presented by unpredictability. This shows in Higgs' accomplishments both as a porter and terrorist, earning him a reputation as "a damn good leader" and later, a fearsome foe with the presence of "a ruthless emperor" (thank you, DS novel Sam). As highlighted by the novelization, his leadership pre-Amelie was defined by idealistic yet practical solutions. He was insightful and precise in determining that the resource shortage wasn't a shortage at all, but an issue of unequal distribution brought on by greed, corporate hierarchy, and distrust. He showed people that they didn't need to sacrifice freedom in exchange for security, they only needed to pitch in and share fairly, and he backed his promises up with results and an olive branch by cooperatively setting up a new distribution system and bringing supplies from his territory in the West. Meanwhile, in the intellectual sense, Higgs is a skeptic. Due to his mental roots in Ne, he wants to believe in things, but he can't until he's thoroughly questioned them, examined them from all angles, and tested them. When Ne says "jump," Ti says "wait." This causes a constant push-pull between reckless impulsivity and calculated caution. Thus, Higgs is inquisitive and curious, with Sam describing him (again, in the novel) as a truth-seeker, reminding him of a philosopher. In line with the classic image of the ENTP personality, Higgs thrives in a vast marketplace of ideas and values, picking and choosing the ones that suit him after playing with each and every single one of the available options, especially if he has someone to bounce his thoughts off of. ENTPs are masters of the "yes and," but due to their weaker Fe-Si axis, they're also vulnerable to being manipulated and exploited for their ingenuity and inexhaustible drive. Higgs dives head-first into Amelie's promises, but then spirals when he realizes she's not telling him the whole truth. He intuitively knows when someone is hiding things from him and he isn't content to just let it go. If answers aren't freely given, he'll form his own and act upon them. "If there's another layer to this, I can't work it out -> Dear diary, today I nuked Middle Knot City."

Fe (extroverted feeling): Herein lies ENTP's soft side. Contrary to popular belief, the feeling function of MBTI goes much deeper than simple emotions; it determines moral direction (inward vs. outward) and social dynamics. Fi (introverted feeling) pushes against the grain, concerning *my* feelings and values, whereas Fe goes with the grain, concerned with *our* feelings and values. Fi is a rugged individualist, Fe is a team player. The tertiary function is a point of conflict for all personality types, and it doesn't usually develop until middle age unless significant trauma work or self-awareness development occurs earlier in life. Higgs has both. His early journals show the expected disconnection with his feeling function, as he resists the idea of group values, and denounces the notion of community as unsafe and unrealistic. This is why many ENTPs, especially below the age of 40+, are considered insensitive and disruptive; they haven't developed the balance between nitpicky Ti and open-hearted Fe. After shaking off his instinctive and learned aversion to group attachments, Higgs quickly does a 180 into "I'm an altruist now" and dedicates his life to serving others, going so far as to "offer my soul to this world while I live." More about this when it comes to his emotional center in enneagram 2, which amplifies his Fe. Overall, Higgs displays high Fe and thus has high empathy. He makes strong use of the Ne-Fe axis to imagine others' viewpoints and feelings, making attempts to step outside of himself to try and understand others on a deeper level. Anything an ENTP can understand, they can work with. Thus, they can be highly forgiving when there's a good explanation and they're not likely to hold grudges if they can relate. Here's hoping that factors into DS2.

Si (introverted sensing): The inferior function is every MBTI type's greatest weak point, second only to the "blind" eighth function which is essentially not consciously used at all. The inferior function acts to balance the dominant function, kicking in as a rescue mechanism when the usual approach fails or stress overload causes the given personality to begin breaking down. Being forced to use this function otherwise requires conscious effort and is, in turn, highly stressful and overwhelming. The inferior is an area of insecurity and discomfort. ENTP's inferior is Si, meaning they struggle with seeing projects through to the end, handling the day-to-day minutia of life, learning from past mistakes, and neglecting physical health due to poor internal bodily awareness. And oh boy, Higgs displays this in spades. Granted, he's absolutely suffering from chiral contamination and mind control don't forget the mind control but... still. His house is a wreck, he appears to eat little more than pizza, alcohol, and soda, he struggles with the gravity of life not bending to his idealistic efforts. Further, he believes it's on him to save the world all by himself despite evidence to the contrary, and this isn't even based in a god complex, he's just that caught up in what he wants to achieve and he can't see past it to why that's an unsustainable attitude. He creates unrealistic expectations for himself, punishes himself for *checks notes* being human, and is constantly seeking new, sweeping solutions to Fix Everything™ instead of spending his time putting in the work and giving himself breathing room to let his efforts pay off. He doesn't take stock of the good he's done, the things he's accomplished, the way people looked up to him (these folks called him King Midas!!), he simply pushes forward to the next big thing, fashioning himself Atlas with the burden of the world weighing down upon his shoulders. Always planning, always moving, incapable of sitting still or tolerating boredom.

Final thoughts before moving on

Overall, Higgs is like most ENTPs (who are sadly much more common in fiction--usually as a quirky protagonist or witty, Joker-esque villain) in that they are dynamic personalities, the best of whom have brilliant minds and restless spirits that create an even mix of genius and madness, and the worst of whom become internet trolls (Higgs is not immune to this, cough cough, the pizza emails) who provoke people for fun with little regard for others' needs or feelings. ENTPs have a quiet, soft side that's quite sensitive, fears judgment, and craves attention/validation. Once appropriately matured and self-aware, these personalities become surprisingly empathetic, directing their high-energy zest for life into everything they touch. Higgs is a beautiful, beautiful representation of the mature-but-unhealthy ENTP.

(part two: enneagram deep dive)

(Sam analysis)

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mistype360 · 3 days

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mbti and enneagram typing for @loupdelta

this blog will forever be beach themed

mbti: estj (ne heavy)

let’s begin with your thinking/feeling functions: te/fi. the questionnaire started off describing how you liked your job because of it’s thinking and logical aspects, which is the embodiment of higher placed thinking functions. there are also moments where you briefly convey te traits. for example, desiring logical consistency in life, and hating changing your mind unless absolutely unnecessary.

what leaned me towards te over ti was your relationship with authority. like many mbti types high in thinking, you find yourself logically critical of rules inflicted upon you. in response, you evaluate these rules against your own framework of logic and thought, which could indicate either te or ti. the key difference, however, is that you aren’t heavily influenced by your environment, and don't easily change this framework of logic. you even have clear expectations for how authority should behave, which is more characteristic of te.

even then, the inferior fi is pretty clear. you mention that it takes a long time for you to process your emotions. emotions may be worrying for you due to their importance (te and fi). you are also a very “consequence’ oriented type, as you described in dealing with emotions, indicating you prioritize objective functions, particularly te.

for your intuitive functions, it really came down to wether you were higher in si, or ni, with si winning out for a couple reasons (listed from least to most important/impactful)

you’re good at memorizing, esp for pleasure

need practical experience to master something (sensory>intuition)

doesn’t like doing things at random, or being in an unpredictable situation

sometimes enjoy taking risks (tertiary ne – boredom functions silliness)

in art and writing you are messy spontaneous (again, tertiary ne expressing itself)

prefers to know consequences of actions or situation

regains energy in predictable environment (but gets bored because of tertiary ne)

tertiary functions are the playground function in one's stack, almost like one's inner child. they are "cognitively comforting," a source of balance in day-to-day life that can often be categorized as tiring or draining.

also, the way you use ne is very playful. at a “high,” you enjoy meeting new people, doing new things, or getting opportunities. even you yourself describe ne behavior as a way to refuel when life gets repetitive (te-si). any “big picture” or intuitive-imitating traits likely stem from te, rather than ne.

this is also why i am not typing you as an entj or even intj. i don't see you using a lot of ni in comparison to your ne. if anything, i would alternatively type you as an intp or even entp, as i am much more sold on your sensory/intuition functions rather than your thinking/feeling functions. (i elaborate more at the very bottom of this post)

the biggest argument against si would probably be your “clumsiness” (using hands, breaking things on accident, daydreaming often). this is again, probably ne. or alternatively, this is just a lack of se in your stack. even if you show these traits, you also show a lot of te and si working together as dominant and auxiliary functions (impatient when physical tasks don’t work out, doesn’t like vague questions, hyper aware of resources and time, etc etc).

enneagram: 3w4 sp/so, 3w4 5w6 9w8 (356)

alternative enneagram: 6w5 ??/sp 638

your primary type is most likely sp3 (pretty obvious so i'll keep the explanation brief):

afraid of weaknesses being shown (slight 8)

like to motivate, energize, and "foster a cooperative environment" (could be sp3 but you only do this when necessary it seems)

focused on achievements

afraid of failure

pragmatic almost

the wing for the 3 was pretty unclear for me. you are not very prideful in either the 2 or 4 sense. i went with 4, as i don't see that much on shame or something that indicates 2 with your relationships with those around you.

also, somewhere in your tritype, there's a 5 fix. if it's not your core type, than it is definitely a strong fix, especially when winged with 6. from what you describe, regaining energy when alone is indicative of sp5. the interest in learning about how the brain works or understanding how others think aligns with the traits of a 5w6 or 6w5. you also say that some questions are vague, which checked out with how meticulous a 5 can be sometimes. lastly, not liking when things get out of hand, and often indirectly take control of a situation is 5w6.

in my opinion, you have a stronger enneagram 9 influence than you might realize. while you don't fit the stereotypical image of a 9, this aspect of your personality seems to be a fallback mechanism or a way to handle trivial or quick decisions. the desire for an independent life with peace and the fear at being betrayed by loved ones could hint at type 6.

bonus: socionics!

socionics is not my strong suit but dichotomy-wise, you are obstinate over yielding definitely. you are also a little bit more far sighted and logical>ethical. this means you are most likely LII or ILI, maybe even LSE just to match your mbti

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dragoncookies · 9 months

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ENTP misconceptions

For awhile I honestly thought I was an ENTJ (at first even INTJ but I was goin through a ruff time when I discovered MBTI we'll just put it at that). I can get REALLY ambitious, and then ruthless/strategic with how I go about things in order to see it through. I even bullet journal, and make planners for months in advance just so I can keep track of all my ambitions. Some people would consider me Type A because of how eccentric I can be and how detailed I can get with how I spend my time.

What they don't know is that my poor use of Si causes me to do things like work on projects for four hours straight and watch the hours tick by until its 1 am and, oh no! I have somewhere to be the next morning. This happens multiple times.

I also am a professional at winging it. People would be shocked at how many of the things I do are last minute choices, or put together the night before/the moment of. I mean, I cannot count the number of times I've said (tw death) "guess I'll die" every day.

Cannot forget the fact that during quarantine I would RUTHLESSLY argue about my favorite book characters to strangers online. I wrote pages and absolute essays that would probably get high marks if I fixed them up a little. I was a menace out there.

It was only after actually researching about the cognitive functions did I realize that there was absolutely no way I could have Te. Like, at all. I learned that my constant fantasizing and well of ideas for everything in the world around me was, in fact, a high Ne user trait.

I don't get fomo from missing out at a social event, I get fomo from missing an opportunity to put my creative resources to work to entertain people.

I like to think that I stray more towards the "Jack Skellington' entp type. One might think he's an entj because of how he has this goal in mind and then goes through every little detail to see it through, but what about him getting tired of all the routines in the beginning of the movie and wanting something new (Ne)? And when he finds Christmas town, what does he do? He analyzes the heck out of it, trying to figure out how it works (clear Ti use). So, even though the stereotypes might lead one to believe Jack is an entj, in actuality, he types as an entp.

Heres some IRL examples of how I might not seem ENTP.

For preface, I am an identical twin. I type as an ENTP, meanwhile my twin types as an INFJ (it is a very interesting relationship). Our highschool offered speech and debate. Guess who started taking it first? Not me, the entp. I didn't really know much about it and thought it was just a nerd thing. Then my twin took it and had a ball (I was lowkey was super jealous). Even though my twin is the "humanitarian" feeling type, they made for a terrifying opponent and had no mercy. My twin is also often thought of as way crueler than I am most of the time, where I am described more like a sunflower and they more as a thorny rose. My twin can get so passionate they turn argumentative, and if something doesn't fit the little storyland they build their world around, they argue a lot. So, my parents always said that they should be a lawyer. My twin can get so inside their heard (high Ni) that they act narcissistic and uncaring.

It irks me how one can pay so little attention to the world around them, but you'd think I'd be the cruel narcissistic one, who people say should be a lawyer. Because I am an entp.

Personally? I like writing poetry and going to cafes. I like reading and if I see that either side of argument can be argued for within reason, I won't feel like arguing. So I don't argue as much. The whole reason I didnt take speech and debate at first was just because I thought I wouldn't enjoy arguing for things where both sides could be right (I now know I overlooked the beauty in the argument itself). The Ne/Ti/Fe/Si function stack applies to me completely, just not in the stereotypical way. Its pretty helpful. When I analyze things too much (Ti), I can recognize I am probably a little stressed. I also know that there are places in my life I should have SOME routine/structure just to be a more functional person.

So, when people say "MBTI isn't real/is pointless because people get different results all the time and how can 16 personality types fit everyone its so limiting"

Its not, really. You just have to let the idea cook inside your head and explore yourself and how you think for a little.

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The Real MBTI – an essay a rant by me, motivated by the dear @mazeinthemoon

Warnings: LONG (5330 words), rambling, not beta read, one singular curse word, me being a nerd, english is not my first language, may not make sense at times, may contain grammar and vocabulary errors, passionate but not well articulated. Really just a rant and me trying to explain something I care about. I’m also NOT an expert by any means, I’m not a Psychology major, just some person who happens to hyperfixate be REALLY interested on mbti and analytical psychology. If it gives me any credit, my therapist does have a specialization in analytical psychology.

1. What is MBTI?

MBTI (Myers-Briggs Type Indicator) is basically just a personality test, but thanks to sites like 16personalities and the internet giving it the same treatment as astrology (disclaimer: I love astrology and MBTI and it’s really sad to see them both being treated as just stereotyped boxes L) it turned into a different thing. Originally it is based on the ideas of this dude (/lh) named Carl Jung. On his book “Psychological Types” he describes what we call ‘Cognitive Functions’, basically different ways people’s brains are wired, explaning tendencies/behaviours/his thoughts on the 8 different psychological types. There are 8 cognitive functions and he describes them separately, so how did we end up with 16 personalities?

Well, there’s this thing called the function ‘stack’ that I’ll go into detail a bit laterksksks but it’s just a way to arrange the functions together. It’s basically (challenge: take a shot every time I say basically here) the way the functions are combined – each type having two different main functions. Add it up and bam: 16 personalities. But where does the myers-briggs come from?

I personally won’t talk much about them, but Isabel Briggs Myers and Katharine Cook Briggs were a daughter and mother duo that read Jung’s book and theory and were like “hey, this is pretty cool, what if we do something more with it?”, and so they basically gave birth to MBTI and popularized the stack and the 16 personalities.

HOWEVER…… somewhere along the way the mbti test became something else, no longer based on Jung’s cognitive function theory, but on another thing called ‘The Big Five’ test (please don’t quote me on that, I didn’t research this more because I honestly don’t care), separating the 4 letters from their original meaning. I’ll explain what they mean later, but for now, know that (for example) INFJ doesn’t really mean just Introverted iNtuitive Feeling and Judging.

[Update: I actually made an effort and researched more about The Big Five thanks to a lovely anon who explained it to me. More on how The Big Five and MBTI connect here]

ALSO want to clear some misconceptions: your “personality” or “psychological type” cannot change. This doesn’t mean people can’t change, it just means you can’t change your “brain engines”, basically. The “personality” starts being formed during childhood, and with age, it just develops, for better or for worse. And so, when things happen, sometimes it manifests (as in appears, shows up, acts in a certain way) in a healthy and positive way, and sometimes in a toxic and self-sabotaging way. You can always improve yourself and see new perspectives, but you can’t really change your “programation”. Think of it as your software system, if it makes it any easier to understand.

And another misconception is the percentage thing. I didn’t really wanna ruin the fun (😭) but I also don’t want to spread misinformation. Percentages are not a thing. You’re not 70% feeling and 30% thinking. You’re not 98% introverted and 2% extroverted. Honestly, no one would be healthy with this “stats”. I’ll explain it in more detail in the Stack topic, but everyone has Introverted AND Extroverted function. Everyone has Feeling AND Thinking and everyone has iNtuition AND Sensing. The functions are just treated with different “priorities” by your brain, and if you “abuse” too much of one, it’ll cause a warning, it won’t be healthy. “So basically everyone is an ambivert?” I guess????? Everyone has their moments and we all need to go out sometimes and stay alone other times. It doesn’t mean you can’t have a natural preference, though. This is getting long, so just hold these thoughts for now because there’s a topic just for thiskkkkk

2. Why should we care?

I mean, to most people it’s just another personality thing, maybe a way to have fun while stereotyping people or to blame all your flaws on like your sun sign (I’m a pisces btw ^^), so… why should we care about it?

I can only speak for me, so… first things first, it is science, so you shouldn’t be so skeptical about it. I like it because it is very well structured and explained, it makes so much sense to me and after you learn about the real thing, you start to notice it in people that are close to you. Also, like every single personality thing, it is a tool used to try and understand people better. To paraphrase an amazing youtuber (channel: dear kristin) it is a tool you can use so you can learn to love others better. When we understand each other, we can love each other better and have more empathy towards each other. It helps in knowing why some people do X and other people do Y when Z happens to them both. It makes it easier to know someone’s thought process and understand why they react a certain way, and it’s also a great tool to perceive people’s flawed tendencies as well as their natural’s strenghs. With this knowledge in mind, we can also focus on being better versions of ourselves.

And also, my most personal reason that I’m so passionate about this is: if I can make the effort and connect to and understand others, it means that people can do it too. If I’m capable of knowing this and seeing what others’ lives are like, it means other people can, even if just a little, understand me and get me. It means I’m not alone or disconnected. It means no one’s really THAT much of a weirdo that no one could possibly understand them. It means that I can be seen and valued the same as others. I’m gonna stop right now before I start crying and ranting about loneliness, thank you for your patiencekkkkk let’s move on.

3. So… then what are Cognitive Functions?

*sighs* okay I’m too lazy to try and explain it first with my own words so I’ll just copy-paste it from Wikipedia: “Cognitive functions, also referred to as psychological functions, as described by Carl Jung in his book Psychological Types, are particular mental processes within a person's psyche that are present regardless of common circumstance.” It’s basically, how I said before, a thought process, a perspective, the way someone’s brain is “programed” or “wired”. Don’t quote me on this but apparently it’s like using some parts of the brain more than others? Like that thing of “are you a left-sided or right-sided brain?” but more complex, I don’t really know how to explain it.

As I said before, everyone has an equal number of functions, which basically means everyone can make choices based on feeling and thinking, for example. What makes it special is that Cognitive Functions are NATURAL behaviours, your go-to’s, the processes you’re so used to doing that you don’t even realize it. In a basic (and unpolished) way, if you’re doing an effort to “make” it on purpose, it’s not a cognitive function. And according to your own preferences, some functions are more developed and others are more repressed. This comes back to the Stack thing *sighs* I promise I’ll get to it, but first we have to learn about the functions themselves. Let’s make some sub-topics:

3.1. Disposition: Introversion vs Extroversion

So, a function’s disposition talks about where its energy flow and its goal. Introversion means the focus is internal, on the self, on subjective things. Extroversion means the focus is external, on objective things and on outside “objects”. Jung talks about it in his book the “object” is basically any external thing, something that is not originated from whithin – be it feelings (the “object” being a place’s atmosphere and social cues, for example) or sensations (the “object” being external stimulation instead of you paying attention to your own body). Being Introverted means there’s a resistance, a kind of unwillingness towards this “object”, while being extroverted means you’re positive towards the “object” and adapting yourself to it. Extroversion expands, Introversion narrows. Extroversion explores and experiments, Introversion organizes and settles. Extroversion focuses on the object, Introversion focuses on the impression of the object. This applies to all functions, and divides them equally: 4 introverted functions and 4 extroverted functions.

3.2. Judging Functions: Thinking vs Feeling

Here comes the J you know from the 4 letters. To put it in a simple way (because I already talked too much and we didn’t even arrive on the functions themselves) Judging Functions talk about how you make decisions. Where you go to when making choices. There are 2 Judging functions: Thinking and Feeling. Copy-pasting again to make it more simple: “These functions determine how you make decisions; based on values, ethics, and the emotional needs of others (feelers) or logic, causality, and efficiency (thinkers).” Each one has their extroverted and introverted “version”, so:

Extroverted Thinking (aka Te), Extroverted Feeling (aka Fe), Introverted Thinking (aka Ti) and Introverted Feeling (aka Fi). Each feeling function has a complementary thinking one and vice-versa, meaning one cannot *be* without the other. Think of it like yin-yang, complementary opposites. If you have one, you have the other. So, Te has Fi (and Fi has Te) and Fe has Ti (and Ti has Fe). They’re often called “axis”, as in “The Fi-Te axis”, because when we talk about one function we often end up talking about their opposite and how they manifest together. The same applies to the following functions.

3.3. Perceiving Functions: Intuitions vs Sensing

This is the P. The Perceiving Functions talk about how you see the world, how you ‘perceive’ things, how you receive information and how you organize it. The perceiving functions are Sensing and Intuition. Again with the copy-paste: “These functions determine how you take in information; through your five senses (sensing) or through patterns and underlying meanings (intuition).” Again, both have their I and E version:

Extroverted Sensing (aka Se), Introverted Intuition (aka Ni) [and together they make an axis], Extroverted Intuition (aka Ne) and Introverted Sensing (aka Si) [also making their own axis.].

4. Oh my god, are we finally gonna talk about whatever the hell the “Stack” is?

Yes. Finally. Will I copy-paste some things? Probably. So…. What’s a Function Stack? Well…

There are 8 cognitive functions, right? Te, Fe, Ne, Se, Ti, Fi, Ni and Si. And I said that everyone has Thinking AND Feeling and Sensing AND Intuition. This means everyone has 4 cognitive functions (ACCORDING TO THE MYERS-BRIGGS THEORY, I’m only focusing on them, but basically what happens is that different people read Jung’s book and made different theories according to their own research and opinion). The Function Stack is just how these functions are organized according to your brain’s own preference and development. Look:

The 1st function, called the Dominant one, is your main function. It’s basically your autopilot, everything you do goes through this function, it’s how you live. “When we use a function that is destined to become “preferred”, we feel an emotional investment in what we’re doing, and we feel in control of our emotional life, so we keep on doing it. We tend to be more stimulated by the function. It then appears to “develop” or get “stronger”, and behaviors associated with it will increase”.

The 2nd, called the Auxiliary function, “helps” your dominant function, as the name suggests. It balances the 1st function and is there to walk beside it, and is not as developed as the 1st.

The 3rd is called… the Tertiary. It’s not as developed as the previous 2, and it is ALWAYS the opposite function of the 2nd one. This happens because of some concepts in Analytical Psychology that I wish I didn’t have to talk about, but I’ll probably make a sup-topic. We often like to use our Tertiary function in a relaxed way, since we have easier access to it that way. Some people describe it as our “Child” function because of that sense of curiosity as well as immaturity that children have, meaning we are curious to use it and enjoy using it in a stress-free way but don’t have the maturity level to use it in the “””right””” way.

The 4th one is called the Inferior function. It is the least developed and most repressed function, and it is ALWAYS the opposite of the Dominant Function. This Function often “comes out” in moments of stress or when we used too much of our dominant one. Because of this, it’s not exactly easy to use it in a healthy way. Because it is the most repressed one, our conscious brain doesn’t really “like” it, so when it comes to the surface it’s often in a toxic way. HOWEVER… it doesn’t mean this function is bad and you should hate it. This is the function that shows us our “weaknesses”, and at the same time, tells us how to overcome them. When people do something “good” aka achieve something with this function, they often feel very relieved, rewarded and satisfied. It’ll always be our least used function, but if we learn how to use it accordingly, we’ll walk one step further on the road that is Self Discovery.

Also just realized that I talked more about the Inferior than the Dominant. Huh.

4.1. SO… how does this work in practice? Is there a formula?

Why, yes, there is. Here’s the cake mold for you.

1st: pick one singular function among the 8 available. That’s the Dominant Function.

2nd: If the first function you chose was a Judging function, now pick a Perceiving function. If the first one was a Perceiving function, now pick a Judging one. The 2nd function brings balance, so it has the opposite disposition of the Dominant one (meaning that if the 1st was extroverted the 2nd will be introverted and vice versa).

3rd: this function is the exact opposite of the 2nd function. Reminder that Thinking is the opposite of Feeling, Intuition is the opposite of Sensing and Extroversion is the opposite of Introversion.

4th: this function, as said before, is the exact opposite of the Dominant function.

Let’s look at an example.

One: let’s say the dominant function is Fi. Fi is a judging function, so the auxiliary function has to be a perceiving. Fi is introverted, so the auxiliary has to be extroverted. That leaves us with two options: Ne and Se. Each auxiliary will make a personality type, giving us TWO personalities with the SAME Dominant Function (and so… 8 x 2 = 16 personalities). For now, let’s go with Ne. So far we have FiNe. The tertiary function is always the opposite of the auxiliary. The opposite of N (intuition) is S (sensing), and the opposite of E (extroversion) is I (introversion), so our 3rd function will be Si. And the inferior function is always the opposite of the dominant one. Well, the opposite of F (feeling) is T (thinking), leaving us with Te. Therefore, the full stack is FiNeSiTe.

Another one: this time, the dominant function is Se. Se is a perceiving function, so the auxiliary has to a judging function, with the opposite disposition. That gives Ti and Fi. Let’s go with Ti right now. The auxiliary is always the exact opposite of the auxiliary, leaving us with Fe. And finally, the inferior is always the exact opposite of the dominant, leaving us with Ni. Therefore, our final stack is SeTiFeNi.

See how every stack has 2 extroverted and 2 introverted functions? That’s to balance out the psyche. Same thing with – again – having T AND F and S AND N. That’s right, everyone is a Thinker, Feeler, Sensor and Intuitive. What differentiates everyone, as we just saw, is how these functions are organized within our brains.

To make it easier, here’s all 16 possible stacks, divided by Dominant Function:

FiNeSiTe / FiSeNiTe

TiNeSiTe / TiSeNiTe

NiFeTiSe / NiTeFiSe

SiTeFiNe / SiFeTiNe

FeNiSeTi / FeSiNeTi

TeSiNeFi / TeNiSeFi

SeFiTeNi / SeTiFeNi.

NeFiTeSi / NeTiFeSi

Bonus: how can we group the psychological types? Honestly, any way you want. For me, what makes the most sense is to groups the types which all have the same cognitive functions (they’ll just be in a different order). You can also group them by: same dominant function, same auxiliary function, Feeling Dominants, Intuition Dominants, Judging Function Dominants, Feeling Doms + Sensing Aux, and the list goes on. It’s just fun to see the ways they could go together.

4.2. Are you any curious why the 3rd and 4th functions are the opposite of the 2nd and 1st?

Well, allow me to try to introduce you to three very important concepts in Analytical Psychology in a very simple (and probably sidetracked?) way: the Self, the Persona and the Shadow.

Think of the Self as…. Like, your “true” Self, the most complete and authentic version of you. “The totality of a person’s being”, according to Jung according to this site I won’t reference said.

The Persona is “a role that an individual chooses to play in life or it is the impression of them they want to express to the outside world”. Think of it as a social “mask” (and no, it’s not being fake, everyone acts in a different way with different people, or are you telling me you treat a boss the same way you treat your sibling?), the surface or “light”/visible part of your personality. In this case, we can make a parallel to the cognitive functions. Persona = Dominant and Auxiliary functions, since they’re the ones that we use to navigate the world.

Now, Jung basically says that when we present something in our Persona, the opposite traits are repressed, but still exist within us. “Despite pushing them away, they may find a way in to our lives, either through what we refer to as out of control reactions, eruptions and being “out of character” in our attitudes and behaviours.” In our unconscious there is a bit of everything we don’t like. This is the Shadow. Bringing it to my analogy, Shadow = Tertiary and Inferior functions, because they’re the repressed and undeveloped ones. To reiterate, the Shadow is not always bad. If in your daily life you’re someone with a low self-esteem and a people-pleaser, in your Shadow there’s a high self-esteem, assertive version of yourself that knows how to set boundaries.

In psychological treatments using Analytical psychology, it’s often said that one of the main goals is the Integration of the Shadow. It means taking parts of the Shadow, looking at them, understanding, feeling, accepting them and learning how to use them to be a better version of yourself aka walking one step closer to the Self.

5. So… what does INFJ mean? What do any of the letters mean?

So, in the first topic I said, with these exact words, “that INFJ doesn’t really mean just Introverted iNtuitive Feeling and Judging.” I mean, they do mean what they mean, but there’s more to it.

The 4 letters aren’t supposed to be an acronym, they’re supposed to be a code. Yes, there’s a secret (not really) encoded message in the 4 letters of your mbti type!!! And what do they reveal?????

Your cognitive functions. Your function stack. That’s right, it was in your faces the whole time, and only now someone decided to tell you about it. So… how do you find it?

Let’s start with the INFJ example (because that’s my type!!! ^^). We’ll use it to see the formula for the 4 letters in ANY type.

The 1st letter – I or E: this shows us the Disposition/Energy of the Dominant Function of the type. In the case of the INFJ, the Dominant function will be an Introverted one (Fi, Ni, Si or Ti). But how do we know what functions are here?

The 2nd letter – N or S: this shows us our Perceiving function. “But doesn’t everyone have Intuition AND Sensing?” Yes, but when it comes to the code (or the 4 letters), they only show the Dominant and Auxiliary functions. In the case of the INFJ, we know that the Perceiving Function is Intuition, but we still don’t know if it’s Ni or Ne.

The 3rd letter – F or T: this shows us our Judging function. The same things said in the 2nd letter apply on this one. In our example of the INFJ, we know that the Judging function is Feeling, but again, we still don’t know if it’s Fi or Fe.

The 4th letter – J or P: Now here comes the catch. Being a J doesn’t mean you’re organized and being a P doesn’t mean you’re spontaneous. This letter reveals to us…. Which function is our EXTROVERTED function!!!! Being a XXXJ means you either have Fe or Te and being a XXXP means you have Ne or Se. It’s ALWAYS the Extroverted function, so it means your other function is the Introverted one. SO, if the INFJ is a J, it means that the Judging function (which we learned is Feeling), is the extroverted one, so…. Fe!!! This automatically means that the Perceiving function (in this case, Intuition) is introverted, so… Ni!!!! The two main functions of the INFJ are Fe and Ni!

Bringing it all together: So, if you go and think further about this, you’ll go…. “Hey. ENFJ also has the same functions, Fe and Ni”. And here comes the part about the Stack. Remember how the 1st letters shows us the energy of our Dominant function? If the INFJ is introverted, the order will be Ni and then Fe. For the ENFJ, it’ll be first Fe and then Ni. Applying our knowledge from the Stack topic, we can now say that the INFJ function stack is NiFeTiSe, and the ENFJ is FeNiSeTi.

Another example, let’s go with INFP.

1st letter: it shows us that the Dominant function is Introverted (we still don’t know which one).

2nd letter: it shows us that the Perceiving function is Intuition. N for iNtuition. We still don’t know if it’s Ne or Ni.

3rd letter: it shows us that the Judging function is Feeling. We still don’t know if it’s Fi or Fe.

4th letter: here it isss! It tells us that the Perceiving Function is the Extroverted one. So…. The INFP has Ne!

Bringing it all together: So, if the N is extroverted (Ne), automatically the F has to be introverted (Fi). Since the INFP is an… well, IXXX, it means the introverted function is the Dominant one. Applying the Stack Formula, we have the INFP function stack – FiNeSiTe.

You can also figure out the 4 letters from the function stack, kinda like revere engineering. Fun challenge: go back to the Stack list and try to assign the type letters to each one. Remember: the 4 letters only show the Dominant and Auxiliar Functions!

Also, in case you’re wondering how to pronounce the functions abbreviated forms, just say the letters in a separate way. Fe = eff-ee. I mean, there aren’t rules, really, so when I talk in my native language I just pronounce the syllable (as in pronouncing Fe as /Feh/ and Ti as /Tea/).

6. Is this when you finally talk about the functions themselves?

Yes. Finally. It only took almost 3.9k words to arrive here. But we’ll finally talk about how each function works. HOWEVER….. have in mind that each function “behaves” differently according to its position in the stack. What I’ll present here is the main gist, the basic meaning of the functions, the summary of the summary, with maybe some examples on how they look when unbalanced or unhealthy. If by now you’re REALLY interested, feel free to search more about it. Search something like “*insert function here* in all 4 positions” (or 8, if you want to see other models). One youtube channel that goes into this is INFJinxed. Another channel I really like, for knowledge AND comedy sketches, is dear kristin.

Now… after 4k words, let’s talk about each function individually. Finally, I’ll keep it simple, but I also recommend you going to the channels previously mentioned if you want to learn about them in a more detailed way. I’ll start with the Extroverted ones, then the Introverted.

Also, keep in mind that these summaries are how I got to understand the functions after doing my own research and reading Jung’s book, because 99% of the time I had no idea what people meant when they were repeating their static definition of the functions. If you want to look at other ways to explain the same thing, you can always do your own research, there are A LOT of people that already explained them.

6.1. Extroverted Thinking aka Te.

This function talks about objective norms, tradition, empirical truth, universal ideas, formulas (in any way), justice, and necessary actions. The ends justify the means. When unhealthy it turns into dogmatism and perfectionism. Think of “it HAS to be this way, and anyone who says otherwise is WRONG”. When unhealthy, everything is black and white. This is a result of the Inferior Fi coming through.

6.2. Extroverted Feeling aka Fe.

Fe talks about emotional accommodation and adaptation, objective or traditionally shared values, the feelings of sharing and belonging, “reading the room”, perceiving social cues and setting an atmosphere, what feels reasonable and/or fair. When unhealthy it turns into fakeness (lack of genuineness) and making negative/pessimistic generalizations. This has to do with Inferior Ti coming through.

6.3. Extroverted Sensing aka Se.

Se talks about being binded to anything sensorial, external stimulations, object conditioning, physiology, concrete processes/objects, realism, things for what they are, having sensations and enjoying them, also kind of an impulsiveness (as all extroverted functions are, but this means physical impulses). When unhealthy it turns into exaggerated skepticism, futility and lack of critical thinking.

6.4. Extroverted Intuition aka Ne.

Ne talks about an attitude of expectation, seeing external tendencies, searching infinite possibilities, a desire to explore and never to settle, being an adventurer (talking about ideas and ideals) and having a hunch. Think of it like having an itch to explore concepts, and after you scratch one, you’re “satisfied” and another itch appears. When unhealthy it turns into “jack of all trades, master of none”, lack of compromise and commitment, a type of detachment and paranoia.

6.5. Introverted Thinking aka Ti.

Ti talks about critical thinking, subjective and relative truths (“but what really is the truth?”), analysis of perspectives, theorizing, exposure and development of ideas (but not focused on applicability), debating and discussing. When unhealthy it loses sense, turns cold and inflexible, turns gullible and overly emotional, links their own truth to their Self (can’t separate own ideas from own personality, so criticism is viewed as a personal attack). Think of stereotypical philosopherskkkkkk.

6.6. Introverted Feeling aka Fi.

Fi talks about intimacy, fidelity to one’s own feelings, intensity instead of expression, internalizing things, an ease in being attuned to your own emotions (identifying, knowing, understanding and properly feeling them), focusing on your impression of things, the saying “still waters run deep”. When unhealthy it becomes egocentric, victimist and detached from others.

6.7. Introverted Sensing aka Si.

Si talks about subjective perception aka it doesn’t focus on the fact itself/what happened but on what it felt like/the impression it left, the external object only acts as a stimulation for the perception, also talks about cumulative experience and knowledge, resistance, persistence, attachment, focusing on summarizing, reducing and on the subjective participation. The reference is not the object, but the reaction to (coming in contact with) the object. When unhealthy it turns into obsessiveness, paranoia and hypochondriasis.

6.8. (Finally) Introverted Intuition aka Ni.

Not gonna lie, this function was kinda hard for me to explain because I just live it, every single day. It really is so natural to me that it’s hard for me to put this “explanation lens” on it. But here it is.

Ni talks about focusing on the elements of the unconscious, guidance by internal movement, mental images “triggered” by external things, an easiness in perceiving the processes of the unconscious, seeing underlying meanings, formation of ideals, “timeless knowledge” (to learn more, search about the Collective Unconscious and Archetypes), focus on the “How?”, the ability to generate visions (in the future/goal kind of meaning) and to speculate. What this function feels like is as if the meanings/ideas existed as separate entities, disconnected from one’s own mind, even if they were created internally. Think of that one Miley Cyrus meme: wHat Does it MEAN??? WHAT does it mEAN? When unhealthy it turns into a disconnection from the real world, physical sensibility and exaggerated attachments to things/people as well as dissociation.

7. Oh wow… that was a lot. So how can I know my type, then?

So. There are some tests you can do online based on the cognitive functions, but honestly the best way to know your type is learning about them and recognizing the functions in yourself. The information I just gave you here can be a great starting point, feel free to expand your research and see other explanations and points of view. Maybe my explanation just doesn’t click for you and you might understand the functions better as straightforward key-words or even as complicated metaphors. Good luck on your self-discovery journey ^^

Also, the internet may try its best, but an ACTUAL REAL Typology test can only be applied by a licensed therapist. That’s how I learned about my own type. My true type, because for YEARS I thought I was an INFP because of my misunderstanding of the cognitive functions. I did this +5k rant so you didn’t have to go through what I went through.

8. So… are we done?

Oh my god, I guess???????? We’re done???? Oh shit. I can’t believe I actually did this. And now I don’t really know what to saydkdkdkskkkkk. But I have an idea on where to start.

Dear Moon, what a crazy ridekkkkk I did tell you I was REALLY passionate about this and I did spend hours revisiting my knowledge and somehow studying for fun while doing this.

Thank you for encouraging me to infodump, I’m not really used to people being interested on my interests, so this really moved me (emotionally). Thank you for interacting with me and being so kind, I try my best to give the same treatment but I hope life/the universe/whatever cosmic energy you might believe in gives you back the good energy you put into the world, because I can only do so much.

I think I’m getting emotional because it’s almost midnight where I live and I’m quite sleepy, but I just couldn’t stop working on this. I really wish you all the best. Don’t be too hard on yourself. Remember to drink water. Treat yourself with the same kindness you offer us dear moots on this website/app. Thank you again for reading what turned out to be ACTUAL TEN PAGES!!!!!! And also +5.2k words. Have a wonderful night.

And thank you to everyone who read this until now. I’m just some nerd who likes mbti and decided to share the little I know on the internet, through my own point of view. If you happen to be a psychology major, licensed therapist or someone who also studies and/or understands mbti and analytical psychology, feel free to correct anything I might have explained wrong or unclear, as well as add your own thoughts. These are just my 2 cents, after all.

Have a great day, everyone. I’m Gio. This was my rant.

#🌙 gio talks #mbti #cognitive functions #analytical psychology #rant #long post

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Oh thats interesting I always thought their types fit them well, but ofc I ve only done some brief reading about it.

What would you type them as, now I am curious👀?

To be fair, had I not gone through a phase, and I just knew MBTI from like, 16 personalities or something, I would probably think the same! However, I unfortunately went through a phase, and learned about cognitive functions and stuff, so given that, I disagree with their typings.

Also, contrary to popular belief, typing characters is subjective, because we each interpret characters differently. So you are welcome to disagree with my typings, in fact a lot of you probably will.

Now to start:

Elsa

Elsa, I think is a little hard to place, because of her isolation in the first movie, but between both movies, I think she is definitely an ISTJ, especially after taking cognitive functions into account.

Now, people are often hesitant in typing Elsa as ISTJ, because of the stereotypes associated with it- that they’re unemotional, stone cold etc. Which is simply not true- ISTJs are some of the sweetest people I’ve ever met.

But again, as far as cognitive functions go, Elsa fits ISTJ much better than she fits INFJ- even when it comes to the weaker functions.

First, an introductory to intuitive and sensing cognitive functions:

Ni (Introverted Intuition): Zooms in on one idea

Ne (Extroverted Intuition): Focuses on many ideas.

Si (Introverted Sensation): evaluates experience against curated memories.

Se (Extroverted Sensing): Focuses on experience as it unfolds

These are very watered down definitions, but I am tried to avoid giving you a crash course on cognitive functions and how they work because this is already going to be a very long post.

INFJs strongest functions are Ni & Fe, which in my opinion… she is lacking in both, especially Fe (we will get into thinking and feeling functions in a moment).

I do think a case could be made for her being Ni, and I can also see her being an INTJ. However, I think as far as decisions she’s made, she looks to the past or present to make decisions, rather than the abstract or future.

Even at Elsa’s healthiest, the unknown excites her, but she is very hesitant in leaving behind what she knows. I always interpreted Into the Unknown as her dominant Si and inferior Ne conflicting with each other.

She never exactly zooms into one idea. When she is able to use her intuition freely, she is open to many possibilities, and is influenced by the past. Throughout her journey, in both movies, she is constantly equating current events to things that happened to her in the past.

So that is why I personally see her as Si vs Ni.

Now onto feeling and thinking portion:

Fi (Introverted Feeling): Prioritizes individual values / emotions

Fe (Extroverted Feeling): Prioritizes group values / emotions

Ti (Introverted Thinking): Subjective logic.

Te (Extroverted Thinking): Objective logic

Now, a case could also be made for Elsa having Ti somewhere in her stack. However, again, the logic she follows, whether flawed or not, has been presented to her from an outside source. Elsa has no subjective opinion when it comes to her logic, she goes by what she is told.

As for Fe vs Fi, I do think she has no Fe whatsoever, but I do understand where people are coming from when they say she does. Because again, the way anything online, even the definition I gave, a lot of people misinterpret it into meaning:

Fi is selfish and Fe is selfless, and that is not even close to being the case.

Fi users can be selfless if they have selfless personal values and Fe users can be selfish if group values are generally selfish… if that makes sense.

The thing however, is that everything we see of Elsa, every decision she makes can be traced back to personal values. The act of isolating herself from her sister to protect them are selfless acts… but they also come from her valuing her sister and her kingdom. It never comes from the kingdom’s values.

Even in Frozen 2, her own personal desires and values are what drives her motivations. She often doesn’t take into account the fears of others when it comes to making her decisions.

Overall, I just don’t see her as having an Ni-Fe-Ti-Se (INFJ) stack. Si-Te-Fi-Ne just seems to fit her better.

Anna

Now, Anna I have a bit more of a controversial take. A lot of people don’t see her as ENFP, but most people who argue against that type argue for ESFP… but I really don’t see that either. At least not after Frozen 2.

No, her personality type for me, is ESFJ.

She isn’t a mind reader, she doesn’t always know how everyone is feeling, but her emotions are also directly impacted by everyone else’s emotions. Even when she does explore her own feelings, she almost always pushed them aside to understand others emotions.

In Frozen, her anger at Elsa is almost immediately dispersed when Elsa’s situation is revealed, then she focuses on Elsa’s. In Frozen 2, she does have her own fears, but she almost always acknowledges Elsa’s feelings before explaining her own emotions.

Not only that, Anna, just like Elsa, is also very hesitant to change, arguably more so. The only reason she is so eager for things to change in the first movie was because she was lonely.

Not only that, but her logic, especially in the first movie is very subjective, and based on things she has seen or noticed in the past. Her ideas of true love aren’t influenced by an objective source, from what we can see.

So I guess I can understand where the exfp type is coming from, but I personally don’t see it.

#MBTI #queen anna #queen elsa #frozen 2 #frozen 3 #frozen

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Anon wrote: Hello, 16yo girl here. I had been questioning what my MBTI type was between ENTP and INTP for quite a long time - I had known that Ti and Ne were always at the top of my stack, but not which one was stronger... until yesterday, when I reflected back on my sheltered upbringing and I came to the conclusion that I was an ENTP, just one with very marked introvert tendencies and possible developmental delays due to combination of a stifled dominant function and possibly autism.

That stifling of Ne is also probably why I have only become more reclusive as time went on - I spent most of my time as a child either at school, the same small private school I've been going to since 1st grade, or at home, mostly on my computer. While in the surface my time on the internet allowed me to have easy access to novelty, it is still doing the same thing over and over again on a grander scale.

Meanwhile, I never managed to truly "fit in" at school, and after starting to make amends with my old friends at the end of sixth grade the pandemic happened, which pretty much meant that the only thing I'd be doing for two years was basically staring at screens all day. Once I returned back to school, I started feeling 'othered' again, and even as I found out it was partially over my own immaturity, I still feel like I will not actually become part of the group right now, that I should just grind it out until it ends, that college, due to the new environment and size will be the time I'll truly begin to shine - further proven by how excited I was when I went to one of the unis I was considering's open day recently.

Meanwhile, my ISTJ mother won't stop comparing me negatively to my brother and on how he was so similar to her in personality compared to me, always implying that I turned out "off" in some way or another, even if she's usually well-meaning.

Thoughts?

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I don't guess at type. You've only speculated about one possible function, which is nowhere near enough info to draw any kind of sound conclusion. I generally won't comment on type assessment unless people follow the instructions on the contact page to submit a proper profile of themselves. In short, I won't have any "thoughts" if you don't give me enough to analyze.

You've basically described typical adolescent adjustment issues that anyone of any type can suffer. It is not uncommon for teens to have trouble fitting in. Why? Because they are still in the process of learning good social skills. When you're at the "beginner" level of learning anything, your ideas tend to be very primitive or crude. Thus, from the teenage perspective, socializing often boils down to the idea of "approval", which is taken to mean EITHER be like everyone else OR be an outsider.

Either/or thinking is a form of illogical thinking that creates a false dichotomy, essentially reducing your world to only two possibilities. You said that not being able to find your group right now, maybe it would be better to just leave it until college - once again, your world only has two possibilities. This kind of oversimplified thinking is normal in children and teens, but it is considered a sign of cognitive immaturity in adults (as their thinking hasn't evolved since adolescence). It's not something for you to be concerned about but, rather, something to be aware of and gradually improved upon.

When compared to full-formed adults, young people (<25) are limited in several ways:

They lack life experience, so they haven't had enough time to learn all the knowledge and skills they need to live life well.

They lack cognitive resources to understand complexity because the brain hasn't reached physical maturity yet.

They lack emotional resources to cope with difficulty because the brain is still feeling the effects of changes that began in puberty.

They might also lack confidence due to too many environmental factors being out of their control.

They might also lack direction due to not having access to enough learning resources they need for self-development.

They might also lack purpose due to not having enough access to positive role models, guides, or mentors to help them see the bigger picture of life.

I mention these things not to make teens feel shamed and ashamed for what they naturally lack, but to make them aware of where their potential lies. Your "weaknesses" are just as important for realizing your greater human potential as your "strengths". Weaknesses make plenty of room for learning, development, change, growth, evolution, and transformation... BUT this is assuming you know how to confront weaknesses in the right way. So, reflect: How have you responded to your weaknesses, as signaled through your mistakes and failures?

How do you respond to lack of life experience? Do you keep it that way by locking yourself away? Do you waste your time with trivial experiences? Do you seek out meaningful learning experiences?

How do you respond to lack of cognitive resources for understanding complexity? Do you just reduce everything into oversimplistic ideas? Do you avoid complex situations? Do you study them to grow your understanding? Do you get help for understanding them?

How do you respond to lack of emotional resources for handling difficulty? Do you numb yourself? Do you run or escape from negative feelings? Do you seek appropriate help and support? Do you set out to learn healthy coping skills and strategies?

How do you respond to lack of confidence? Do you shit-talk yourself more and more? Do you write off your future? Do you assert more independence? Do you take more control whenever possible? Do you improve your knowledge, skills, and capabilities?

How do you respond to lack of direction? Do you give up on yourself? Do you resign yourself to the status quo? Do you learn how to make better decisions for yourself? Do you learn how to set and achieve more fulfilling goals?

How do you respond to lack of purpose? Do you settle for less? Do you resign yourself to being small? Do you ignore existential pain? Do you seek answers? Do you set higher aspirations? Do you commit yourself to greater ideals?

Adjustment issues are very likely to get expressed through auxiliary development problems. Since you're unsure about your type, the most I can say is that healthy Ti encourages people to 1) analyze and learn from mistakes/failures, and 2) identify and acquire the knowledge/skills required to eventually succeed. If your response to failure is dismissal, evasion, withdrawal, or avoidance, it means you are choosing to get stuck at a low level of competency indefinitely.

If you are able to get past the beginner level in socializing, you'll start to realize the false dichotomy and how self-sabotaging it really is. Socializing is much more nuanced and complex than "insider vs outsider", and there are more options available than "conform vs rebel". This raises the question of what other options are available to you - it is a question for your Ne to answer.

Yes, it's true that you can't be friends with everyone. But you don't need to be friends with everyone, do you? You only need a handful of close friends who understand you in order to have a satisfying social life. They don't have to come from school or the usual places. They can come through other activities. They can come from all demographics or backgrounds.

Growing up in a small environment puts you in danger of thinking too small all the time. The key is you have to recognize that the world is a big place, so you have to start putting yourself out there to find the friends of best fit. The more people you meet, the more you increase your odds of success. Whether you try now or later isn't the right point to focus on. You're not going to find what you're looking for as long as: you don't actually get up to look, you have absolutely no system or plan for proceeding, and/or you don't have the skills to keep relationships even when you do find good people. You need real-life social experience if you want to improve your social skills. The sooner you get started, the better. It's unrealistic to think that you'll magically be great at relationships just because you started college.

I know options can be limited at your age but 16 is generally the age when teens really start to venture out into the world on their own (without parents/guardians). In many places, you can drive and work at 16. You can start exploring places you've never been to around town. You can join more extracurricular activities/clubs that would put you in contact with people beyond your school. I shouldn't have to tell an ENTP to go out and explore, as you should simply follow your natural Ne motivation. If that motivation is absolutely nowhere to be found, then perhaps reconsider your type.

#entp #auxiliary ti #social skills #adolescence #typing #ask

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Otto (pre-orb) and Cider circa the late 80s/early 90s? I haven't put together a timeline. Someone get this man a hairbrush please. Mm I am annoyed because Otto is my favorite character (along with Cider) and I cannot draw him in orb form to save my life. Why is he so difficult to draw. This whole concept was funnier in my head.. oh well

Transcriptions below the cut. Also I must infodump about Chipspeech characters' MBTI so that too.

Otto: This human form is limiting Cider: Otto please calm tf down

Okay it's MBTI time. I go from fandom to fandom finding the weird scientist characters and then I observe them with my little autistic eyeballs. The fact that both Cider (ESTJ) and Otto (INTJ) are high Te makes me (also high Te) very happi because usually scientist characters end up being high Ti. Cider especially because I often find xSTJ science-related characters to be unlikeable and he is decidedly not. I am an ESTJ-adjacent creature and I must scream

My opinions on Chipspeech characters' types: Cider: ESTJ (TeSiNeFi) Otto: INTJ (NiTeFiSe) Dandy: ESTP (SeTiFeNi) Dee: ISFJ (SiFeTiNe) Vosim: xxFJ (high Fe) Bert: ExTP (aux Ti, tert Fe) Rotten: ENFJ (FeNiSeTi) Spencer: ESFP (SeFiTeNi) Lady Parsec: ENTJ (TeNiSeFi) Sam: idk man, probably on the Ni-Se axis Pedro: ESFP (SeFiTeNi) Voder: ISTJ? Maybe? Definitely somewhere on Te-Fi and I think Si-Ne but I'm open to being wrong. Terminal: ESTJ? He's said his personality is low priority in his system and it's not always running, so idk if he's even really typeable.

One day I might make a post with an in-depth analysis of each character's cognitive functions because every fandom needs a typology nerd that everyone else politely ignores but that'll have to wait until I can actually figure out everyone's stacks in full.

Also obligatory PSA: if you want to take an MBTI test that has a pretty good likelihood of typing you correctly, the best one out there imo is Mistype Investigator, or Jung's Igloo if you want results that are easier to read. 16Personalities is not actually MBTI (Neris is closer to Big 5), and Sakinorva and Keys2Cognition both tend to overestimate Ne so probably avoid them. MBTI is not real science but it's fun to apply to fictional characters, just don't take it too seriously. I feel the need to say all of this because I've had problems in the past where this information would have been useful to have, maybe it'll help someone else. Idk

#Otto's kind of a menace but I respect that about him #Please pay no mind to Cider's box of miscellaneous geometric shapes #I know there are at least three other people out there who like Chipspeech and MBTI because of PDB votes.. are they on Tumblr......#also who put that ENTP vote on Cider's profile >:(#anyways can I just say that Otto is a comedically stereotypical INTJ to the point that it's honestly extremely funny to me #he'd be right at home on r/INTJ (hellhole do not go there) down to the heavy usage of low Fi which he insists he does not have at all #“I have no feelings” no what you have is blindspot Fe. I can see your Fi and I would like to study it #sorry Otto for comparing you to r/INTJ but it had to be said #chipspeech #otto mozer #cidertalk'84 #cidertalk84 #posts by the bug

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For fellow mbti enthusiasts, can we talk about how Araki unconsciously wrote Jotaro's character development as a true ISTP so well throughout parts 3 to 6?

Also interesting for the "dudebro" part of the community to say Jotaro has no personality / personality of a brick wall, when in the PDB database, he's the most discussed Jojo character in regards of identifying the nitty-gritty details about his personality and how it was developed with every part.

And honestly I don't blame them because hear me out--

Cue cognitive functions analysis below the cut:

In Stardust Crusaders, we all know he mostly uses his dominant and auxiliary functions Ti-Se during this part: He is very observant with his surroundings and is often using all his senses to take in the world., and when he decides to act on something (like let's say battling against enemy Stand users), he often relies on logic and on what makes sense so he could figure out how to beat his enemies.

While Ni is there, his preference to use Se more is seen in his method of getting rid of the problem, which is his fists. If the enemy can be dealt with a series of hard-hitting punches, then you bet he'll often be throwing punches.

His Fe is highly underdeveloped in this part as indicated by his choice to be a delinquent who won't give two shits about people he doesn't care for, but for friends and family, it's there underneath his nonchalant and rude façade, hidden because he's uncomfortable expressing his feelings to others.

Fast forward to Diamond is Unbreakable and Golden Wind era, Jotaro's tertiary Ni is developed as he matured into an adult. While he still uses Ti-Se to pick up details in his surroundings and use logic to back-up the processed information, his Ni is prevalent through his more cautious and analytical nature. He is now able to recognize patterns in the enemy Stand Users and connect them together to form a cohesive result (e.g., narrowing the murder suspect with a jacket, using his knowledge on animal behavior to find the rat, outsmarting Kira's father)

In Golden Wind, he sends Koichi to investigate the existence of Giorno instead of going there himself since he knew ahead of time that Joestars are able to detect or sense fellow Joestars.

Then lastly we reach to Stone Ocean and Jotaro's inferior Fe is developed as he hits 40 years old. He is more open and vulnerable when conveying his feelings to his daughter (e.g., "I've always cherished you", "You've grown, Jolyne"). Fe is also present during the 2 instances of him sacrificing himself to save Jolyne even if it meant his or the universe's doom, because as Pucci said after a moment of Jotaro screaming in terror at the knives falling on Jolyne, "Your only weakness was your daughter."

Ironically enough, by developing his inferior function and his whole cognitive stack in general, it led to his death and the death of a universe.

And as a result of his more prominent Fe, dudebros will term his vulnerability as "hE gOt nERfEd", or "mAN pArt 3 JoTAro cOUlD bEaT pUccI nO prOBlem", and some other bullshit like that.

#jojos bizarre adventure #jotaro kujo

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MBTI Cognitive Functions

A brief explanation on cognitive functions. As I'm still learning about MBTI myself, I may update/change this.

If you are interested in kpop and typology, I do typology analysis for idols

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The cognitive functions are what each personality type uses to work through the world. How they make decisions and take action, how they process information and perceive the world. There are 4 extroverted functions and 4 introverted functions, a total of 8 functions. They are split between Judging and Perceiving functions.

Introversion/extroversion in MBTI is NOT the same as social introversion/extroversion. A person can be introverted socially and extroverted MBTI wise as they lead with a dominant extroverted function and vice versa.

All 16 types use all 8 but will have 4 in their main stack. The other 4 are in the shadow stack, which may used under stress and/or facing really new/unfamiliar situations.

Main stack: Dominant - Auxiliary - Tertiary - Inferior

Dominant function is the most comfortable function to use.

Auxiliary supports the dominant function.

Tertiary is a neutral spot. It can help the dominant and/or aux function but may also be a little awkward to use.

Inferior is most confusing function to use. Usage can be improved over time and with a lot effort though.

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Judging functions: Functions that show how we make decisions and take action.

These would be Feeling and Thinking functions:

Fe, Fi, Te, and Ti

Fe - Extroverted Feeling (ExFJ, IxFJ, ExTP, IxTP)

Values human connections

Values group harmony; dislikes conflict

Tries to see what's best emotionally for others; recognizes other's feelings

May care about other's perspective of them

Fi - Introverted Feeling (IxFP, ExFP, IxTJ, ExTJ)

Focused on own emotions, personal values and morals; analyze decisions against their own beliefs

Constantly analyzing their own emotions and morals to see if they need to improve their own character

Wants to be authentic and genuine

Te - Extroverted Thinking (ExTJ, IxTJ, ExFP, IxFP)

Objective and fair

Focuses on efficiency and order

Uses knowledge in the external world

Relies on established facts and sources; doesn't care to pick it apart as long as it's true and usable

Ti - Introverted Thinking (IxTP, ExTP, IxFJ, ExFJ)

Subjective thinking

Picks apart info to see what makes sense logically to them. Then creates an internal system for consistent info

Very logical and analytical

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Perceiving functions: Functions that show how we think and process information

These would be Sensing and Intuitive functions:

Se, Si, Ne, and Ni

Se - Extroverted Sensing (ESxP, ISxP, ENxJ, INxJ)

Uses the 5 senses

Present minded

Observe, experience, and react in the moment

Realistic and grounded

Si - Introverted Sensing (ISxJ, ESxJ, INxP, ENxP)

Makes an inner perception of the outside world

Relies on personal experiences

Prefers familiarity and structure

Tends to be detail oriented

Ne - Extroverted Intuition (ENxP, INxP, ESxJ, ISxJ)

Gains ideas from the external world; creates and sees many future possibilities

Makes external connections and patterns

Theoretical, experimental

Ni - Introverted Intuition (INxJ, ENxJ, ISxP, ESxP)

Focused on personal insights, impressions, and ideas

"Hunches". Ni picks up info subconsciously and the answer may pop up "randomly"

Convergent; may have a few ideas here and there but it all comes down to one idea/answer

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The pattern of functions can go

JPPJ or PJJP

E.g

ENTJ (Te - Ni - Se - Fi) - JPPJ

INTJ (Ni - Te - Fi - Se) - PJJP

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Depending on where the function is in the stack, it is used and expressed differently. E.g Te doms (ExTJ) will often have no problem initiating and finishing tasks as Te is focused on reaching goals. It is natural for them to be able to get things going. However, Fi doms (IxFP) have Te as their inferior; they may struggle to finish projects or take initiative. May struggle to separate feelings from situations that require being objective.

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Loops and Grips can occur when under stress.

A type in a loop can be stuck cycling between their dominant and tertiary function, completely ignoring their other functions.

A type in a grip can be stuck using their inferior function in a very unhealthy way. They are very unlike their usual personality.

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Crash Course on MBTI: The Eight Functions (Part 1)

I was thinking of things to do on this blog, besides just character typings, and I thought about how to explain the basics of MBTI to people who may know nothing about MBTI, or people who are only aware of 16 personalities. So I will be doing a three part series on the very very basics of MBTI.

Understanding each cognitive function by itself is the first step of understanding MBTI as a whole, so that’s what this post will focus on. Part two will focus on stacking, and part three will focus on the types as a whole.

What is a cognitive function?

Cognitive functions are the bones of each Myer-Briggs type, the way each type operates in the world around them. Cognitive functions can be divided into two groups- judging and perceiving. The functions are as followed:

Judging (Thinking & Feeling)

Fi (Introverted Feeling)

Fe (Extroverted Feeling)

Ti (Introverted Thinking)

Te (Extroverted Thinking)

Perceiving (Sensing & Intuition)

Ni (Introverted Intuition)

Ne (Extroverted Intuition)

Si (Introverted Sensing)

Se (Extroverted Sensing)

As we explore in part two, everyone has two of each, and each function is paired with their opposite. For example, you will always see an Fi paired with Te, you will never see Fi paired with Ti. And both pairs of cognitive functions will make your MBTI type.

If you’re confused by how this works, we will definitely learn more in part two.

Introverted Feeling (Fi) vs. Extroverted Feeling (Fe)

The main difference between Fi & Fe, is how they project their emotions. Given the names, Fi users feelings come from within themselves, whereas Fe users feelings come from within. So what does this mean?

The most simple explanation, is that Fi users value personal values, while Fe users value community values. This however, does not mean that Fi users are selfish, or that Fe users don’t have personal values, however.

An example of a healthy Fi user, is Lucy Gray Baird, from a Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. She cares about other people, she seems the good in other people, but she shows her love by having a strong moral code. She doesn’t lie to others, because it’s not right. She values trust, which she upholds on her end.

However, a good example of an unhealthy Fi user, is Penelope Featherington from Bridgerton. She is raised in a very unhealthy household in general, and feels like her feelings are unvalued, so therefore, she expresses her emotions through a gossip column. She often sits on her emotions for so long, without action, to the point where she ends up making horrible choices.

A good example of a healthy Fe user is Moana. Her values are community based, and she is not easily swayed by her own interests. She had her own goals- everyone does- but she consistently pushes them aside for the sake of her village. Eventually, however, she is able to find a balance, a way to reach her goals and to make herself and others happy, instead of simply sacrificing her own happiness for others.

An example of an unhealthy Fe user is Gretchen Wieners, who is obsessed with being liked and social status. She is mean to the other girls to maintain her role as Regina’s right hand, and she is constantly giving up parts of herself for the sake of Regina. Her hooped earrings, for example.

Ti (Introverted Thinking) vs. Te (Extroverted Thinking)

The simplest way I’ve heard Te and Ti described is Te is objective logic, while Ti is subjective logic. What this means is that Te users trust systems that give them clear, observable and objective results, where as Ti users explore logic for the sake of knowledge. Ti users may come up with their own theories and systems of logic to understand the world around them, as well as arguing against commonly accepted logic. Te users feel most comfortable using data and systems that are presented to them and seem to work, and tend not to go against what they know.

A good example of a healthy Ti user is Kristoff from Frozen. He abides by his own systems of logic, and uses this to challenge Anna with her own flawed logical system, due to her isolation. He also has a good handle on his Fe, despite being so low in his stack, which means his logic is somewhat grounded in reality.

An example of a character who is an unhealthy Ti user, is Leo Valdez in the Heroes of Olympus series. Leo, like Kristoff has his Fe very low on his stack, and tends to be so caught up in his own Ti, that he ignores the feelings of others, or ignores his need for social interaction altogether, because it’s harder for him.

A good example of someone with healthy Te is Tiana, from the Princess and the Frog. Though she gets healthier through the course of the movie, her want for results and her need to achieve her goals never gets in the way of her being a nice person. She doesn’t step on people on her way to achieving her goals, she just wants to achieve them on her own terms.

An example of someone with unhealthy Te is Abuela Alma from Encanto. She is controlling over her family, even when she thinks it’s what’s best for them. She doesn’t address her own feelings, which causes her to be rather harsh when it comes to how she addresses the family. She wants results, but she doesn’t stop to think about the real reason the Encanto and the gifts are so important to her anyways.

Ni (Introverted Intuition) vs. Ne (Extroverted Intuition)

Intuitive functions, in my opinion are very hardest ones to explain, especially to those who have no idea what I’m talking about, so I’ll do my best. Ne is divergent / scattered ideation, while Ni is linear ideation. Both focus on your inner world, and concepts a lot of times involving the future, but they are different in doing so.

Ni has a singular focus, a way to get from point A to point B. A specific way they see certain events conspiring, and rarely stray away from said idea, until it is either proven false, or no longer relevant to them.

Ne users bounce from idea to idea very easily, and lose interest in ideas very quickly. They usually keep their options open, and to them they see many different ways a situation could go.

When thinking about the future, an Ne user may go, “This may happen in the future” or “This is a possible scenario.” Ni users may go, “This will happen in the future,” or “This is the right scenario.”

A good example of a healthy Ni user is Annabeth Chase from Percy Jackson. While she can be quite arrogant at times, she also has the ability to narrow in on one thing and move on when information is no longer relevant. She is able to notice what’s going on in the world around her, and somewhat leans into her Se to work with her Ni.

An example of an unhealthy Ni user is Orpheus from Hadestown. Orpheus is oftentimes way too hyper fixated on his own goals and his own ideas, that he ignores his Se altogether. He doesn’t notice Eurydice leave, because he is so focused on finishing his song, because that’s the only idea he has to bring summer back. He is also so hyperfixated on the idea that Hades is betraying them, that he looks back.

A good example of a healthy Ne user, is Hiro Hamada from Big Hero 6. Hiro has a plethora of ideas, and he doesn’t necessarily commit to one, but his ideas are somewhat grounded in reality. Though some of his ideas seem far fetched to other people, he also uses his experience in robotics to justify it.

An example of an unhealthful Ne user is Luna Lovegood. Ne isn’t her dominant trait, but it is high in her stack, and alot of times, her ideas are not grounded in reality at all. She is so obsessed with multiple views of the world around her, that she doesn’t really stop to think critically about the information she’s spewing.

Se (Extroverted Sensing) vs. Si (Introverted Sensing)

Se and Si both rely on the outside world, but Se observes and reacts as it happens, Si focused on information we already know about the outside world. Most people describe it mainly as observation vs. experience.

Si users, especially high Si users, may rely on routines, and traditions to guide their decisions. Oftentimes, they may be more comfortable sticking to a routine and experience than they do reacting to new information. In some cases Si users may come off as obsessed with past events, and lean very heavily on these past events to make decisions.

Se users react to information as it is given to them. They focus on the present, and may be intrigued by things such as aesthetic, and the world around them. They may be easily stimulated by physical experiences, such as exercise or thrill rides.

An good example of a healthy Si user is Cosette from Les Miserables. Though she has a sad childhood, and she does use her experiences to define the present, she also has a strong relationship with her Ne. Her experiences are very important to her, so are her personal traditions with Marius, but she rarely lets herself be defined by her past solely, and is able to have a dose of optimism about new experiences

An unhealthy Si user is Elsa from Frozen, specifically in the first movie. Throughout the movie, we not only see Elsa be defined by her past, but she gets stuck in a routine, and she is really unable to push aside this routine out of fear. She is defined by her past, and struggles with breaking out of her cycle. She believes pretty much everything she has been told her entire life, and struggles to break her specific routine, and instead, finds a new routine in the castle she built.

An example of a healthy Se user is Jasmine from Aladdin. Jasmine wants freedom and loves to explore the world around her, and while she makes in-the-moment decisions, these decisions oftentimes gets her out of trouble. She is also able to enjoy the world around her without being incredibly impulsive.

However, an example of an unhealthy Se user, would be Pepa Madrigal. Though not her fault, due to circumstances, she is constantly on fight or flight mode with her environment. She reacts to her environment in a negative way by suppressing her emotions through “clear skies” and is simply unable to react to her environment in a healthy way.

How to Apply this to Yourself & Other Characters

Learning and understanding your type takes practice. In the next two parts, I will explain how to determine your type based on these functions. Keep in mind this is a very watered down version of each function, and it takes more than reading a singular post to become aware of these functions.

This being said, it can be really hard to type yourself, because as humans, we are complex. Just because we use Fe doesn’t mean we don’t have any traits of Fi. Shadow functions, in my opinion are a bit complex to a beginner, but it does take a while to understand yourself enough to find the right type.

For the longest time, I though I was an INFP, because parts of myself that I thought were Fi were actually Ti. Also, due to stereotypes (which will be part 3), I was struggling to understand how I could be emotional and a thinker (I was like, 16 at the time), but everyone shows emotions.

So take your time to understand the functions, and eventually you’ll be able to understand yourself and your type a lot better.

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