#not 2012 slander

[welcomehomeuniverse]

2012!Mikey: Hi gu-

2012!Leo,Donnie and Raph: STFU UR SO ANNOYING

Rise!Mikey: *breathes*

Rise!Leo, Donnie and Raph:

[majachee]

Rewatching TMNT 2012 also gave me extra ammunition against that stupid "Splinter raised the turtles as soldiers" take.

Because...???

1. He admitted he didn't teach them to fight together, just how to fight and defend themselves as individuals. Teamwork is pretty important in an army, ya know...?

2. Part of the turtles' protection was Oroku Saki assuming that Splinter was dead, that Hamato Yoshi died in that fire with Tang Shen. It was only when the news showed a picture of a ninja star with the Hamato family crest on it did Shredder realize that Yoshi was alive and presumably training ninja. If Splinter wanted the turtles to fight against the Shredder in some kind of war, why would he not prepare them to face the Shredder? Why would he be concerned about their safety rather than the element of surprise?

Michelangelo was taught a Foot Clan move by Bradford and went on to teach that move to his brothers. None of them recognized it as a move belonging to Shredder and the Foot Clan. If Splinter was training them to be soldiers in this war against Shredder their entire lives, why wouldn't they know how this guy fights? "Here is this devastating move that the Shredder uses, here is how to defend yourself from it" — because Splinter never planned for them to face Shredder, because Splinter wanted Shredder to think he is dead and not look for him. Because he didn't want to face Oroku Saki.

3. The timeline/motif does not make sense. Why would Hamato Yoshi move to America and adopt four pet turtles? Pet turtles can live for a long time and he got four baby ones. If his plan was to move away and start a ninja army, why get 4 high maintenence pets...? That live for a long time...?? And when he was mutated he decided "Wow. This is comvenient!" and just... continued that plan...??? In the sewers....???? With four infant children that are half turtle also incredibly high maintenence...? And never got more than four kids...??? Brother this is a family of martial arts enthusiasts. Also why get them video games or movies...?

"Well maybe the mutagen made him mad cuz he hates being a furry?" He has a cheese phone and hamster wheel. And cheese popsicles. He is embracing being a furry. Brother probably had a fursuit that burned down in that family-killing fire.

[block-swing-perry]

leos faces make me laugh, everyones like oh my god.....leo.....mr serious........no he is not look at him

[ghostivities]

why is “ Bad Sibling Leo “ a thing for the 2012 tag ? this hurts me ):

[im-coping-sorta]

I’m just gonna leave this here…

[s3wergh0ul]

She 💛

[lloyd-007]

[haveyouseenthishorrormovie]

Mod Sus got a little bit lost in thoughts while doing the re-taggings again and just wondering.

If you peeps know any good medical horror movies that are not just fetishizing the surgeries or medical body horror, I could use some recommendations. Love me some good medical gore but could use seeing something else than some crazy pervy doctor drooling over their working.

[butthead7]

Donatello, the 15 year old kid who didn't know how to handle his new emotions about having a crush.

Michaelangelo, the 15 who needs some things explained to him more, and is made out to be stupid because of it.

Leonardo, the 15 who was forced to grow up way too fast.

Raphael, the 15 who knows damn well that the rest of the world sees them as monsters, and sees no point in being anything else.

April O'Neil, the 16 year old kid who didn't ask to be part alien, and didn't ask to be the focus of a love triangle.

Casey Jones, the 16 year old who just wanted to help protect his city and his family, and wants to be cool.

[mx-mongoose]

12!April: So how do you two deal with your Donnies and Caseys?

Rise!April: Excuse me?

03!April: I don’t understand

12!April: Y’know how Casey and Donnie are. They fight each other over you, try to swoon you, stare at you for uncomfortable amounts of time, give you weird gifts. We all know who we’re dealing with, we’re all Aprils here.

Rise!April: Uh no, we’re not.

2003!April: Yeah, my Casey and Donnie have never acted like that? Plus Donatello is like a little brother to me and i’m an adult so I wouldn’t even entertain it.

Rise!April: Same, me and my Donnie are straight up siblings.

12!April: What about your Caseys though? C’mon you know how they are.

2003!April: A dumbass adrenaline junkie? Yes. Someone who disrespects my boundaries and acts like a creep? No. He tried to swoon me once or twice but that was when we reciprocated feelings.

12!April: Wait, reciprocated?

2003!April: Yeah, i’m married to him?

12!April: You did that… Willingly?

Rise!April: You go, girl! I’v been trying to send hints towards my Casey, but she’s so dense.

2003!Casey: You have to be upfront with her, my Casey made me breakfast in bed and got me flowers all because he was nervous to say he cared about me. He was acting like saying it would make me hate him. Your Casey is probably just nervous to say anything.

12!April: What?? Mine is the exact opposite. I remember i’v only known him for a week at that point and he was calling me ‘babe’ and stuff. Not to mention Donnie following me.

03!April: … Do you need my Casey to give them a lecture or something?

Rise!April: No no, i’ll call mine up and they’ll beat that crap out of them in seconds flat. Donnie would be happy to join in.

[lieutenantbiscute]

Shell Shocked AU Hamato Uncles!! (And Dad) ✨

[turnleft08]

Does 2012 April have flaws? Yes.

Does 2012 April actively show Donnie affection? Yes.

Does 2012 April have feelings for Donnie to some degree? Yes.

Is she 100% sure on those feelings? No.

Does she have more important problems in her life to deal with than whether or not a boy is into her? Fuck yes.

Does April sometimes go too far and overreact? Yes.

So does every single other character in the show.

Her father was kidnapped episode one, and he’s the only family member she is ever shown to have a close relationship with (her aunt literally never appears in the show she doesn’t count.)

Then her life is put in danger CONSTANTLY, her father is mutated by the people who promised to save him (their fault or not), she is forced to live underground IN A SEWER, she tries to train to pull her own weight and contribute because she’s sick of sitting on the sidelines only to be treated like she’s helpless constantly, on top of that she’s got two guys constantly flirting with her and playing tug of war with her.

April has flaws. April makes mistakes. April can be loud and abrasive and takes her frustration out on people who probably don’t deserve it.

But for peoples biggest gripe of her character to be that she’s a “tease?”

Y’all are just as guilty of reducing her character to just a love interest as some of the writers.

(Also for the “you’re my mutant” thing? She said that in response to Donnie putting himself down. He apologized and then proceeded to imply that she doesn’t want to be with him solely cause he’s a mutant.) (She also never said she didn’t like him or that she didn’t have feelings for him, she literally just felt uncomfortable with getting a gift with HIS FACE ON IT. Idc how much I like someone that’s an awkward thing to get) (let’s also not forget that Donnie never confessed to her either? She didn’t reject him cause he never asked her out.)

[sleeplessdreamer14]

Y/N: Guys, in case you’ve already forgotten, April O’Neil is the worst.

[knocking on door]

Y/N: And that’s not just jealousy talking, I’d say that to her face.

April: I need your help.

Y/N: You’re the worst. [shuts door in her face]

[5p4ced-0ut]

Putting the "Super" in Super Soldiers

AKA Why ROTTMNT fans won't shut up about our genetically modified War Machines

@certifieduruihater @tmntforeverinmyheart Welcome to the show

Now, I recently came across this post, in which this question was asked:

question: why do the rise boys being "purposefully genetically bioengineered weapons of war" matter so much in the context of crossovers?

Great question, even if it is rhetorical! The reasons may vary from person to person in the fandom, but as a general rule, the answer is: It's something that doesn't happen in other shows.

The entire point of crossovers is to have various versions of the turtles react to what they are like in other universes. So, obviously, the differences between the crossovers are incredibly interesting, and thus would get brought up more times than not.

You with me so far? Great. Now we move on to the meat of the post!

Physical Prowess

"you guys know that they're ALL mutants, right? so it's likely that they ALL have some form of enhanced abilities like super strength, super speed, healing factor, etc? they ALL have superhuman physiology to some degree, what makes rise special?"

They all do have some level of enhanced abilities, yes, but with Rise? It's simply more. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that other versions are weak. I'm just saying Rise!Turtles have, well, A LOT going for them.

Here's a post from @/risestarkiss detailing their various strength feats, and if you go in the reblogs, you'll find more examples

In terms of durability, well, I put more effort into this part:

Here, both Leo and Raph hit the wall and leave dents (well Leo leaves a dent, Raph leaves a hole) in said wall. This is a New York City sewer system, and these baby's walls are made of reinforced concrete. In order to know how much force our Red and Blue boys are flying into these babies with, we need to acquire the type of reinforced concrete, and then get/calculate the Concrete PSI, which tells us how much force concrete can withstand before breaking.

[Disclaimer: I'm no expert on city planning and its technicalities; wrong type of engineer.] This part was pretty complicated. See, I spent hours combing through sewer layout maps, various building code forms, The NYC DDC Standard Sewer and Water Main Specifications PDF, various other nyc.gov assets; it was not fun. So, what kind of reinforced concrete is the pipe made of? According to the NYC DDC SSWMS PDF, Section 21.05, it is Precast Reinforced Concrete. According to my research, it has a Compressive Strength Range of 4000-7000 PSI. For reference, studies done to determine how hard boxers could punch had the hardest hitters clocking in at anywhere from 1,300-1,700 PSI; Mike Tyson's punches were 1,800 PSI. Now, there's a lot more physics involved here, but unfortunately, there are too many unknowns to go into the detail I want to. I can, however, give you this: Pressure is Force over Area, and the bigger the area, the more force needed to achieve a certain pressure. We know Leo is 5'5, so thats approx. 25 sq ft for our area, and 4000-7000 PSI for our pressure. So, thats anywhere from 64 million to 112 million Newtons of force necessary to flat out break concrete on impact. Again, for reference? The strongest bone in the human body, the femur, can handle about 4000 N. And you know what? Raph and Leo just bounce back up again after this.

Here's another example:

The iconic shock collar! Just a quick physics refresher: Amps is the measurement of current flow (Electrons flowing through an object), while voltage is the force moving the current along.

Now, I'm well aware other versions of TMNT get zapped in their respective media, Fourfold Trap comes to mind; I did some research in to the workings of the electric chair and found out the highest shock clocks in at 2000-2500V, which, along with knocking you unconscious, can cause serious burns and even ventricular fibrillation or cardiac arrest. (I'm using the electric chair as a basis because the shock device resembles one.) So, due to the fact that neither Donnie or Mikey die that episode or sustain serious burns, though Mikey does pass out, we can safely assume that they can handle a maximum of 2000V. As for the amperage, I really can't say? Once again, they don't die, so the amperage for the electric chair would be overkill to say the least. (Electric chairs clock in at 5-7 amps. It takes as little as 100 milliamps to kill a human.) So I'd say around the shock was around 50 milliamps? Humans start feeling pain at only a couple milliamps, so 50 is being generous.

On to the shock collar! This one was trickier, because there are only really dog shock collars out there, but I managed to find some studies on now banned shock collars via Wikipedia. Now, dog collars have a higher voltage than an electric chairs, the highest clocking in at 3,500 Volts. BUT! It's important to remember: It's not the volts that'll kill you, it's the current. Lets take a look at that. One study found that the commercial dog collars operated at a minimum of 30 milliamps and a maximum of 80. A later study found the maximum was closer 400 milliamps.

And once again, we see Leo pop up after 2 or so shocks, right as rain and more annoyed than hurt. But what really solidifies the feat for me is that shortly later, when Leo places the collar on their villain? Meat Sweats receives the same number of shocks as Leo, and he is on the verge of passing out.

Hey, how about speed? From episode one, we see these guys pulling anime sprints, even before they got those mystic weapons!

And of course, there's the ever famous shredder fight where they move so fast, they're just blurs on the battlefield

(One could argue this is due to their ninpo tho)

Healing Factor? Do I even need photo evidence for this? Previous incarnations got put into a coma for 3 days/months when being thrown out a window. We see Rise!Leo take hit after hit from Krang Prime (who can tear through steel like paper), cough out blood, hear his bones/shell crack, and he still doesn't go into shock. And he's fine within a couple months.

And believe you and me, I'm just getting started.

Ninja Abilities

Technically, this could still fall under Physical Prowess, but I feel like it deserves its own section. Insane In the Mama Train. One of my favorite episodes in the series, and an episode that often gets overlooked by people who aren't Rise fans. It serves to address one of the main complaints about the series, and answers the question of "Can the ROTTMNT Turtles even compete with the other iterations?" The answer is yes.

In case you forgot, or never saw it in the first place, Insane in the Mama Train's premise is as follows: After the boys goof off and miss an important mission, they feel guilty for not being the "perfect ninjas" they think Splinter wants. So, they ask Splinter to give them formal training, and by GOD, do they get formal training. Just. Words don't do it justice, watch the fucking clip

Do you see that shit? Do you see how quickly they were able to adapt and improve? I'd like to remind you that Splinter is still a ninjitsu master in Rise, the same caliber as his counterparts. This montage is implied to be anywhere from a couple hours to a couple days. And this isn't a one off thing played for laughs either. No, this episode is a plot episode, and they. kick. ass.

(Again, I cannot do the episode justice through clips alone, Go watch the episode)

So, yeah, they are formally trained. They don't have the same experience as their counterparts, but they are still ridiculously skilled. The reason they don't fight like this? It just doesn't work for them. They're not as comfortable with the traditional ninjitsu, so they don't really do it.

Villains & Ninpo

Alright, here's the part of the post that actually irked me.

And sure the rise turtles are very powerful and can fight with fish and ladders. But what good would that do in any other situation where their villains aren’t idiots. i can see their first fight ending in a draw, but ultimately, i still say that the 12 boys could take down rise.

...

Ok, I do not get paid enough for this!

First off, Rise!Villains: The show is a comedy show, you guys know that. You state as much in the og post. So, regardless of how serious the threat, there will always be jokes and the stakes will never seem high. But I assure you that Rise!Villains are still dangerous. Here's some examples: - Meat Sweats: He is a canonical cannibal who, in his debut episode, tried to cooked Donnie alive. He literally sucks the life force out of animals and mutants, and explicitly states he wants to cook/kill the turtles - The Purple Dragons: Successfully hack Donnie's tech and nearly destroy him and his brother - Baron Draxum: Warrior-Scientist that was actively trying to kill all of humanity. He was planning a literal mass genocide. - Big Mama: Yokai Crime Boss who runs a battle-to-the-death, gladiator ring, and has significant control over the Hidden City. - Foot Clan: Foot Brute, Foot Lieutenant and Casey are all the leaders of the foot clan, an organization that has sworn to defeat the Hamato and return Shredder to Earth - Albearto: Literally a killer robot trying to overthrow humanity

And that's not even touching on Shredder or The Krang, because they are a whole other can of worms. Rise has quite a few silly villains, yeah, but so does EVERY OTHER VERSION. Their villains still try and kill them.

Now for Ninpo:

I'll do a quick rundown on each brother's powers

Raph: Along with mystic constructs that act as a shield around his body, we also see he has the ability to manipulate the size of said construct, as well as alter its appearance, e.g. adding another set of arms. When his ninpo unlocks, we see Raph gain the ability of shadow clone jutsu with none the downsides.

Leo: Along with his classic portal ability, we see he is also able to move and alter portals even after they are made. After his Ninpo is unlocked, we see him gain the ability of teleportation, using his swords as landing pads.

Donnie: Donnie has no mystic abilities prior to unlocking his ninpo, but when he does unlock it, he gains the ability to make a construct of anything, just as long as he understands it.

Mikey: He's got quite a few, from tossing around objects like they weigh nothing to minor pyrokinesis, and ofc infinite, near-indestructible chains

Overall, pretty formidable powers on their own, even deadlier when they work together. 2012!Shredder is scary and powerful, yes, but he's still human, for most of the series anyway. The only way Shredder is winning is by using underhanded tactics and quick-thinking, like he did to defeat Batman. And even those only go so far. Likewise, when the 2012!turtles confront various magic foes, they... Welll, to be honest, they get their asses handed to them until they can come up with a semi balance of a plan. Jei? Without Kintaro and Usagi, they would not have been able to take him on. Ho Chan? Wits and April got a lucky opportunity. Kavaxas? They were struggling until Mikey decides to break all rules of magic with bubblegum. Point is: In the 2012 world, magic is a lot more subtle and spiritual than in Rise World, and thus, when confronted with magic on the level of Kavaxas and Jei, they ultimately don't outright fight back, but rather rely on trickery.

Why am I bringing this up? Because trickery may work the first time, but definitely not the second. 2012 may gain more knowledge on how Rottmnt works, but that street goes 2-ways.

(If you had said 2003 TMNT? Yeah, I'd admit they could defeat rise, they've got fucking dragon forms, plus actual experience with powerful magic.)

God, this is getting long.

Anyway, feel free to respond.

[hauntedshells]

it would be so so so RAD if we managed to get rottmnt unpaused while mutant mayhem is going, I mean, out of the 5 tmnt shows we’ve had 3 of them have their wanted seasons canceled, the bayverse sequel flopped, and the most hyped tmnt show as far as I’ve seen is 2012 which isn’t an amazing look considering some of the concerning writing decisions in that show. a new wave of turtle mania over 30 years after the first wave? a new wave that doesn’t rely on the shredder coming back more than william afton and focuses more on mutants and their communities? with the turtles looking distinct from each other and the shows themselves being stylized and fun? with a black april and a crew that genuinely shows a lot of love for the franchise it’s building on while creating their own world and lore and really having fun? two versions that bring the fun and silliness of the 87 cartoon and the 90’s movies while also having the dark, gritty, emotional, and horror inspired elements that have been baked into the franchise for years? to have rise and mutant mayhem exist at the same time would be INCREDIBLE my autistic self would EXPLODE to see this rejuvenation. all the people complaining about the new versions who are claiming to be fans are ridiculous because mutant mayhem and rise are love letters to the teenage mutant ninja turtles legacy and I am so excited for the direction this franchise is going

[junojams]

just rewatched les mis 2012. mind you i already watched it a few days ago