#sally finkelstein

[scientistservant]

I'm sorry for sending in another ask 🙈 But I need to know your opinion, as I haven't had a chance to read it. Sooooooo, why is Long Live The Pumpkin Queen, bad? Did they fuck up the doc and Sally that badly? Like are we talking about Love Never Dies level of shitty? (musical sequel to Phantom of the opera that most of us fans loathe.)

Oh boy, okay

This is gonna be long, please bare with me 😭

So the book completely changes/“fixes” Sally’s origins. She wasn’t a creation, or never even FROM Halloween Town.

She’s a special princess of dolls from “Dream Town” and has parents who are also dolls. She was kidnapped from her bedroom when she was like 12 by Finkelstein.

This is fucking bullshit.

How she even physically ages or how dolls can even conceive is never brought up or explained. Nor is how Fink even kidnapped her in the first place. The book and author just expects you to accept this new canon, which conveniently comes out like three decades after the source material.

Because the book is in first person and in Sally’s point of view we NEVER hear any perspective or proper explanation from Fink or any other character about anything.

Fink is just reduced to a one-dimensional villain who kidnapped Sally all because he apparently can’t create life or bring things back to life via science. You know… HIS FUCKING JOB.

He despises that Jack and Sally get married, despite that Fink would be ecstatic at this (Sally’s his creation and Jack one of his very old friends.)

Sally is also reduced to a one-dimensional protagonist who never questions anything and every third word from her mouth/brain is either “sad”, “ragdoll”, or “stitches/seams”.

She just believes these two doll people who she’s never met before, and doesn’t bother to leave “Dream Town” to ask the elderly scientist she’s known for her entire existence about this (not to mention everyone in the entire world including the holiday realms are dead asleep at this point at this part in the book anyway…)

Oh yeah, the book has a main villain too, surprisingly. It’s not Fink, even though the book certainly treats him like it.

It’s the fake ruler of “Dream Town”, Sandman, who’s actually kind of cool and creepy. But his reasoning for his villainy is bullshit, just like everything else in this damn book.

He’s just tired.

Yeah.

The Sandman is tired because he can’t sleep and his sand doesn’t work on him so he can’t get to sleep. You’d think a being as powerful and seemingly dangerous as this guy wouldn’t need sleep, but apparently he does. He’s cranky and needs a nap with his blanky, boo-fucking-hoo.

The ONLY thing I actually sort of enjoyed in the book was the bit where Sandman was stalking Halloween Town, putting everyone to sleep, and Sally was hiding from him. That was actually kind of suspenseful and I wish Sandman was that threatening throughout.

And does Sandman get any punishment for taking over “Dream Town” and putting everyone in an eternal sleep?

Nope. But FINK gets punished! Firstly, Jack completely believes these two random doll creatures he has never met before and that say they’re Sally’s parents. He yells at Fink, without asking his dear old friend if any of this is even true. And then Fink gets 100 years of prison and community service, which is stupid because why the fuck would Holiday realm laws, much less HALLOWEEN TOWN laws, function the same as the real world’s?

Speaking of which, apparently Halloween Town’s an actual monarchy, and the Pumpkin King isn’t just a cool title for the face/mascot/figurehead of the realm. The book even lampshades this, but doesn’t take this anywhere further aside from Sally complaining she has to wear a crown and Jack doesn’t.

This whole book is stupid and I will never accept it as canon, ever.

What sucks about this is that I fucking PREORDERED the book! I thought it was gonna be a story about how and why Sally was created, and get some backstory/lore for Fink, as well as explanation of why his relationship with his creation got so bad. Maybe a little extra plot of how Sally and Jack met.

But it didn’t. I fucking cried. This book made me cry my fucking eyes out, out of anger and betrayal because my favourite character and his creation/daughter was butchered.

After reading the whole thing I threw the book in a little library and never looked back.

I’m still working on a complete and total rewrite/fix-it-fic, it’s just gotten put on the back-burner because of other projects I’m currently working/fixated on. Apologies for that. But I promise it won’t be forgotten!

EDIT: Oh yeah, and the Holiday rulers have a meeting about climate change. Because Holidays have super importance with the weather or some shit. I’m not fucking kidding.

EDIT 2: The author is also a New York Times best-seller which is already pretty suspicious since that is basically a huge scam. The book has hundreds of 4-5 star reviews that don't even really get into the specifics of WHY it's good. They're all either extreme Jack x Sally fans (the book starts off with them getting married and Sally's main dilemma is worrying about being "a good enough queen") that like anything tnbc/Jally related OR a bunch of people were paid to give this book glowing reviews.

[tnbc-thoughtsandheadcanons]

[fabuloustrash05]

In a deleted concept for Nightmare Before Christmas there was a scrapped ending where that it was gonna be revealed that Oggie Boogie was Dr Finklestein (Sally's creator) in disguise and his plan was to traumatize Sally so much that she'll stop trying to run away from him.

Personally that twist doesn't make sense in the matters of the overall story and I'm so happy they didn't go through with it, however in the scrapped storyboard the doctor calls Jack an "oblivious twit" for not realizing Sally is in love with him and that was something I needed to hear so badly and I loved it XD

[high-quality-tiktoks]

She’s back! And she’s got a friend...🕸🍁Remember when I made my original design of Sally’s wedding dress a couple years ago? I’m so happy to bring her back out, and even more thrilled that halcybella was okay with wearing the Corpse Bride dress I made last year as well! It just makes sense that these two would be friends🎃💙

[thewitchwannabe]

This October I decided to do a Nightmare Before Christmas week over on instagram in celebration of the 30th anniversary of the movie where I introduced my version of the Skellington family

The Pumpkin King: Jack

The Pumpkin Queen: Sally

The king and queen of Halloween

The eldest daughter: Samantha

The second born: Jason

The twins: Trick and Treat

And the youngest: Micheal

[fibyd]

[imaginenotbeingjimin95]

My dearest friend, if you don't mind, I'd like to join you by your side🥰

LONNGGG overdue Nightmare before christmas poster designed by myself, I love it so much

[rainbows-fanfics]

Since it's the season, it's time to promote my Nightmare Before Christmas/Jack Skellington X Sally fanfiction series!

Two Dearest Friends:

"Jack Skellington, the Pumpkin King of Halloween Town, meets Sally, a ragdoll created by Dr. Finklestein. A friendship blossoms between them as he introduces her to the world outside of her tower. Sally is falling for him as their relationship grows into something more, and Jack finds the same is happening to him."

"A story where the Christmas incident never happens, and Jack and Sally find their happiness on their own."

Our Nightmare:

"Sally moves in with the man of her screams. But there is still so much she has to learn of Halloween Town, and what it's like living with The Pumpkin King.

A sequel to Two Dearest Friends, where the Christmas incident never happens. But there are still many ends that haven't been met, and much for these two dreamers to learn as they start to spend their deaths together."

[wonderlandinluna]

It's been a year since I last drew Jack and Sally, but I say my arts improved! This is inspired on this amazing art. Sadly, I do not know the artist name but if you hugs know the original artists, let me know so I can credit them as they are my inspiration!

Im so sorry that I still find it hard too draw bones properly 😭 I looked at the reference a few times and I still couldn't get the jaw right! But I hope it's good.

Anyways, Jack and Sally! Silly Jack!

[merrylament]

Obsessed with these Jack and Sally poses... They're adorable, I love their actors so much, they're always so cute together ;u; 🖤

[tnbc-thoughtsandheadcanons]

Happy International Women's Day to Sally Skellington, who has had not three, but FOUR books about her!

[i8i8t]

[high-quality-tiktoks]

All of these costumes are made by me. Hoping to do another Halloween series this year🖤

[lexezombie]

this was gonna be for Halloween but took a lil while longer <<

I designed the tallest one a long time ago and you can still find her on my DA - her names Belladonna (funfact: thats her doll the kids are fighting over)

BUT I've added some new ones; going in order we have:

Belladonna (oldest child, made that doll with her mom when she was a kid, kinda on the road to being the Pumpkin Queen)

Lily (eldest twin, creative and probably more into fashion/sewing like Sally is; she/her)

Thorn (the baby, a lil stupid and gullible- she doesn't think things through all the way, like her dad; she/her)

Hemlock (younger twin, very smart, kinda an inventor; he/him)

Hogweed (2nd youngest, a u t i s m, combats authority constantly and sneaks out a lot- prob got that from his mom tbh; he/him)

Bonus:

Googie! She's the reincarnation/'child' of Oogie Boogie; Lock, Shock, and Barrel tried to collect bugs and shove them into poorly sewn together pillowcases to remake Oogie but it didn't work like they hoped and kinda just formed a skittish kid.

She's got a Weevil for a brain, coughs up butterflies/moths sometimes and the spiders that crawl out her eyeholes are Bunny Harvestment : )

Sally fixed her up since she had gaps in the sewing and was leaking worms (sally also added the buttons) - Ribbon is a gift from Hogweed (they're kinda dating don't @ me lmao)

[thewitchwannabe]

I'm not the biggest Christmas fan, but my JackxSally fan kid Sam sure is, so here she is enjoying a white Christmas morning (which is also her birthday)

[todaleyart]