#spn twitter drama

[strawlessandbraless]

Jensen Ackles seeing everyone talk about Misha’s 9 inch 🍆 on the internet right now like:

Jensen’s been gutted

[dotthings]

I won't comment on specifics but definitely recommend listen to the entire Defense of Fandom interview with The Winchesters writer/co-executive producer Gabriel Alejandro Garza. This was a rich, enjoyable writer chat with insights into the TV industry, the making of The Winchesters, and process.

[alwaysmybrother]

The finale is sensitive for me because I miss SPN but it was a beautiful wrap up of a story that started AND ended with the brothers. Sam and Dean went through too much. Theyre safe and at peace together now. I wish anti finale people would move on from it and let fans enjoy the happy ending we got.

[c-kaeru]

In case you’re wondering. I, in fact have been drawing, just not Supernatural stuff lmao 

Let’s not talk about my Diluc obsession lol

I’m posting all of these in a dump bc I know it’ll flop anyways since my blog was built on SPN

[always-andromeda]

The SAG-AFTRA strike is over and already there are rumors of Supernatural returning in some capacity and I can’t deal with it. 😭

[kingdumbass]

get yours here, along with like a million other things that say this

[imadeaspnblog]

Same bro.

[cas-poisoning]

The post confession 2020-2021 supernatural fandom was fucking surreal

[get-your-offer]

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[eileenleahy]

i love love how we’ve erased samantha ferris and chad lindberg from memory. everyone was obsessed with them exposing spn for never reaching out to them for the finale and twitter lbing their own fix-it fic til they started homophobia posting because people were using it as destiel wedding planning inspo. unreal moment in the post-finale spn drama timeline

[supernaturalconvert]

Just SPN fandom musing

Like I saw a particular account on Twitter calling themselves SPN cons something something (I don't want to actually name this individual)... Defending Jensen about the whole merch signing thing on Airport with the statement ending in Go To Cons. Obviously some people rightfully didn't like that with some saying it's on him to say no or how that's abelist both of which I agree with.

Out of curiosity I scrolled through their account where they were apolozing for initially indulging in drama and how people think they hate Jared coz their pfp is only Jensen. Obviously their account rarely features Jared except for pointing out to Jared fans how they may not have given photo credit on the pics that they are posting or on some other generic J2 posts at the most. It's heavily skewed even then. You know it's still perfectly fine with me that you have a preference and you show it to the world.

Then suddenly they have a post complaining how they don't have friends in the Fandom and how things are perhaps not going that great. Guess what the next post is;

@/jarpad I love you and I could use some words of encouragement

Couple of more similar ones after that. For some reason that irrationally pissed me off. You don't talk about the guy at all except for inconjunction to Jensen. You don't support his projects. Not one comment about milestones in his life but D gets a birthday post but yeah when you are having a bad day, you remember Jared and AKF.

[ardentpoop]

I’m so thoroughly poisoned by years of heinous spnblr takes (and rumored spn twitter drama) that whenever I happen to end up on spn reddit it feels like a placid oasis

[dotthings]

The lack of empathy and basic judgment about acceptable behaviors being shown right now by spn twitter stans who are caping for an actor man's bad behavior sure was a reminder memo for me on how bad spn stan twitter can be for mental health.

I set the bar so low. SO LOW. I didn’t set it low enough.

Imaging believing it’s crazy to think that fans should be able to make untagged tweets with opinions on a piece of media without an actor man barging in to tell them to shut up, and to mind actor man’s subsequent behavior. When the initial misfired “joke” (he claims it was a joke) didn’t go over well, actor man then makes a string of objectively inappropriate jokes and“lol JK!!!” fixes all problems. And then it’s the fault of anyone who minded, of course. Anything’s ok so long as you go “lol jk” afterwards.

Actor man then flounces to IG with a post that further throws fans under a bus, and deletes his twitter, then returns only to make a long-winded passive aggressive fauxpology that backhandedly threw even more blame onto the fans. Still not good behavior, and does not make him a hero or the victim. Okay, he’s human. Maybe he’s trying. That means he can mess up and get it wrong. It doesn’t mean “cape for him at all costs.” It doesn’t mean be awful about anyone with the good judgment to recognize there was a problem here.

So a chorus of stans lacking in critical thinking and simple, basic good judgment and empathy are wailing about "snowflakes who have no sense of humor" or screeching about imaginary "bullies" when actor man instigated a pointless, stupid drama, tripled down, acted in a melodramatic way when he got criticism for the behavior, and his stans spread misinformation or deliberate lies over what actually happened and are giving off all kinds of red flags about being people to avoid, in my opinion.

None of these people would be able to take being treated how actor man treated fans (accidentally as a joke or not, it happened) or be able to take how they are treating other fans.

There’s people using this “incident” to give themselves a false sense of moral superiority. Or in some cases, maliciously weaponize it, virtue signaling for grudgewank reasons.

And then people wonder why some of us don’t want to go to twitter standom any more.

Maybe the people with the false sense of self righteousness while being so deeply unkind and creating an environment that feels deeply unsafe for other fans are the ones who need a break from the internet, take a break from their self-congratulatory circle jerk to step back and think about their own behavior and actual human beings.

[katherynefromphilly]

Hey Kathryn,

A little bit ago you posted something about Eoin Macken making a fanfic like what was done with SPN. Is this his mysterious Merlin project he’s been hinting about? Do you happen to know anything more about it? Theories? I’ve been dying to know anything.

All I know about Eoin Macken’s Merlin project is the teasing hints he drops on twitter, which eventually make their way here.

(I don’t directly interact with Twitter, or Facebook, or Instagram, or TikTok. One social media timesuck is enough).

But if we’re talking theories…

Well. Yes. I have those.

So we know that Eoin writes scripts, and we know that Tom and Eoin have created a film together in the past, and we know that Bradley and Tom and Eoin and Adetomiwa are still in contact, because they were on that fundraiser together and they had lunch in London etc.

We know Katie has been to Colin’s plays, and Colin has been in contact with Ms. Troughton. (I’m not certain about Angel’s interactions, and I complement her for being able to keep her private life so private. Well done, m’lady.)

We also know that all the Merlin actors are extremely aware of how much the Merlin fandom still supports them, and many of the performers have spoken frequently about how grateful they are for the support, and for having Merlin in their lives, to boost their careers. So they love the fandom and they love the show and they loved working together — mostly.

So my theory? Based on just that information?

I think that Eoin has an idea for a story, or maybe even a full script written, and he’s trying to get the band back together and Make The Thing, with financial backers to do it, involving the busy schedules of all the Merlin alums.

I’m not sure whether it’s a “Fix Gwaine Being Dead” canon-era thing with Bradley in voiceover (much more likely), or a “Bring Arthur Back” modern thing, as in season 6 (more difficult).

Even if it’s the easier route, there’s a lot of challenges. Doing any kind of Merlin project would mean Eoin can convince Colin to go back to a project he’s done before, which he has vocally said he doesn’t do as an actor, ever ever ever. I think Eoin could wear him down, though. But even with that handled, there’s still obtaining the financial backing…. And getting everyone’s very busy schedules to align…

So. It’s feasible, but there’s challenges.

If it were me? Honestly? As in Eoin-If-Youre-Reading-This-Seriously-Here’s-A-Suggestion?

I’d write a radio drama and get the cast together on a remote zoom call and perform it like a table read.

Just… get something out there. Show people there’s an audience. Then, once you have this Proof of Concept finished, and show there’s an audience, then go after the Full Monty.

Every single writer’s conference I watch talks about getting that shorter proof of concept out there. The Matrix folks made a graphic novel to sell the script. Lots of theatrical films are based on 5 minute short films. Product design works this way too. Proof of concept, baby. Git-r-done.

That’s what I think, anyway.

What do you all think? Theories, anyone?

[lol-jackles]

While the Winchesters premise is very dumb and the show looks dumer, I'm glad it was made because we still have SPN drama in 2023. I only saw one or to scene but I'm waiting for the magic episode that would glue the show together.

I watch the drama on the sidelines and is funny reading "J2" fans complaining that Jared didn't check with Jensen in private because his public tweets ruined their fandom experience.

I admit I'm looking forward to the mythical 13th episode to explain everything! It’s only after The Winchesters was roasted to hell and back that Jensen insisted that all will be "revealed" by episode 13 on why the whole show is so dang stupid. When it's just a ploy to get people to keep watching so that he could get a 2nd season.

Jared probably would have reached out to Jensen in private, but Kripke opened his twitter hole and ruined everything so Jared had to publicly set the record straight. If those "J2" fans are mad then they should have directed their ire at Kripke who is trying to rewrite his high school experience as one of the cool kids instead of a weird nerd.  The AA side of the "J2" fandom are just pissed that they can no longer count Jared/Sam girls to both support Jensen's projects and come to Jensen's defense whenever Destiel hellers are being buttholes.

[canonicallysoulmates]

Jensen and JDM Main Panel NJCon 2023

Jeffrey does the beginning of the panel jump with Jensen! As a bonus treat, there was a video posted on twitter of Jensen coaching Jeffrey on how to do the jump: 💌

What is their favorite backstage memory from one of the cons? For JDM it’s when he spilled the beans and ended up telling everyone he was having a daughter. For Jensen, he says, he’ll never forget the moment at the last comic-con they did for SPN, before he and Jared walked out to a crowd of 7k people he turned to Jared and told him to take it in cause that was it and they went out there and put their arms around each other and he thinks they both got a little emotional. It’s a moment he’ll never forget and he’s glad he took that moment cause usually you walk out and sit down and they announce the other person but he walked out and stood there waiting for Jared to join him and it was pretty memorable. Aww, Jensen 😭

And JDM, actually, watched the boys last SPN comic-con panel backstage because there was a live feed of the panel in the green room.  x

The next fan shows some love for John saying he did the best he could with the tools he had, and the only reason I bring it up is that I love how much JDM loves the character of John. And, once again, Jensen is asked about that project that he had teased. He says he’s still waiting to be able to say something about it and that he got in trouble in the last con for saying something so he’s gonna keep his mouth shut. That it’s not hard to figure out but as soon as he’s allowed to talk about it he will and he can’t wait to share it. It’s all good things and there’s supposed to be an official press release but he doesn’t control that, and he was hoping he’d be able to talk about something today but no. He’ll let us know when he can. x

What is an important milestone in their career that they feel helped push them forward? Jensen says that much like all of us there’s a series of forks in the road that we have either chosen where to go or the path has been chosen for us, that when he was in High School, he would eat, drink, sleep baseball for like 3 years. Then in his senior year- he had been doing drama as an elective but his extracurriculars was sports - his drama teacher went and spoke to his baseball coach and told him that they knew they were in season and it was playoffs but they wanted Jensen to try out for the Spring musical. And Jensen only knows about that conversation because his coach told him about it, and at first Jensen was like ‘but we have playoffs’ and his coach was really encouraging, he let him know in a very nice way that he was a good ball player but he wasn’t getting scouted, he wasn’t gonna get a college scholarship from playing and told him that he’s only in High School once so he should try to get as much out of it as he could and promised he’d be in the front row, and for a Texan coach in the 90’s that was not heard of; so Jensen did the play and there happened to be a talent scout there who watched it and afterward went up to Jensen and told him he should go to LA cause he could have a future in this and Jensen told them to take a hike but they went and talked to Jensen’s parents and his parents told him that if he wanted to give it a shot to do it so he thought about it for a few months and went to LA instead of going to college. That was a moment in his life that changed his direction. And for those curious, the play was West Side Story and he played Tony. 

He says he had never sang in his life in front of anybody, he was terrified, and the girl who played Maria, she was like an all state soloist choir person who could sing like Adele but she hadn’t done theater so she was nervous about the acting part, he was nervous about he singing part so they helped each other out. And his whole baseball team was in the first two rows shocked, and when he noticed them he thought there was no turning back he would get beat up after that but instead they all went up to him and very awkwardly said that he was good. 

Jeffrey says he doesn’t have anything that compares to that story but for him in all honesty it was the year he did both SPN and Grey’s Anatomy. He had been working for 20yrs doing pilots and guest star spots trying to keep a roof over his head and get a foot through the door but it really wasn’t until SPN and Grey’s Anatomy that he got to do that and it thankfully hasn’t stopped. 

Jensen mentions that they both know people who are greatly talented and never got the opportunity, and he thinks success in this industry is largely being in the right place at the right time. JDM says he knows people who are his age who still haven’t got that break and are pounding the pavement, hoping and praying, and it’s hard. Jensen comments that he thinks it’s harder now to get in that back when they were younger because now, especially with covid everything has gone remote so you don't have to live in Hollywood anymore to get into the industry. 

They both say they wouldn’t even know how to find an agent nowadays; it’s all zoom, you don't get into a room and read for people face to face like they used to have to do. JDM says that was the worst, that he was horrible at it, that he would lie and tell stories trying to charm them before his reading. Jensen adds that you would try to charm because that would usually get you if not that role then another role in the project. Jeffrey also says some people are really good at auditioning and then you put them on a set and they can’t act their way out of a paper bag and some of them are still working today. Jensen says they’ve worked with a few of them 👀

What was Jensen’s favorite thing about the Soldier Boy suit? Jeffrey immediately says codpiece at the same time that Jensen goes to say it 😂 

Jensen shares that, no word of a lie, he had to fly to LA 6 different times for them to build that costume for him and you just have to stand there like a mannequin cause those are costume-made suits that are worth a couple hundred thousand dollars and are works of art and that LJ, the designer, and her team are just incredible. But he remembers JDM texting him one time when he was at one of his fittings and he replied that he couldn’t talk because he was in a Soldier Boy fitting and JDM immediately replied saying he needed a picture of the codpiece, and Jensen was like ‘I’m glad you asked that cause they're asking me to pick it right now’ and he had some lined up and he sent JDM the picture asking which one. Jeffrey told him to go with the biggest one but LJ told him no. 

There were so many parts he didn’t like about the suit, probably more than he did like, but his honest answer would be the boots because they were the same boots Dean wore for 15yrs. LJ had told him they were doing a military-style boot and she sent him a few options to his house in Austin, he noticed they were very similar to the ones Dean wore so he messaged her and let her know those could work but that he knew of a company that makes a boot that he’s never gotten sick off in 15yrs and that he knows he can stay on his feet for 14hrs a day and his feet won’t hurt at the end of it, she asked what they were, he told her they’re called Carolina’s and she told him that’s what they would get so he loves that because of the connection there. 

Jeffrey asks him if he could go to the bathroom in the suit, Jensen answers that he could and that was a conversation that was had, some of the suits were not made with access panels luckily his did, it went together like pants it was a top and a bottom and it would zip together and then there would be the big utility belt, he says there’s a whole group of people it takes to get out of that thing and like the chest piece is solid so he couldn’t really move, he was doing fight scenes feeling like an idiot but it looked cool. x

Back in 2020, Jensen told a story at Vegascon about a fan he met called Kirby from South Carolina the reason I’m bringing it up is because the next fan tries to make a joke about it by introducing themselves as Kirby from South Carolina but Jensen doesn’t remember this story at all and there’s even the implication that he might have just made it all up but Jensen then says he doesn’t lie *snort* suuuure. Could he have forgotten this crazy story he told? 100%. Do I think him capable of making up a funny story just for shits and giggles? Also, 100%. 

Back to the question, if Jensen had to do a booze and cheap tattoos collab what would he pick to represent his new Radio Company album? He replies that he luckily has both those answers sitting next to him. He would pick JDM’s smoky rye whiskey, and a couple of thumb tattoos that they got done very quickly and cheaply. So cheaply that they did not pay for them, they got them for free, he and Jeffrey tell the story about how they were on their scooters looking for a tattoo shop and Jeffrey told him they had to recognize them or they would bail it so they go into the first one and the guy behind the desk asked if he could help them, and they told him they wanted to get a couple small, quick tattoos and the guy replied he could fit them in about an hour so they walked out the door and went to the next shop. In the next one when they walked in the owner, who was doing a big leg piece, saw them and went ‘holy shit! get out of my chair!’ so they knew that was the place and they didn’t know what they were going to get, Jeffrey was thinking of getting like 70 on each finger, and Jensen was so ready to go and then went ‘well, maybe just one’. Also, the guy was like ‘I can’t believe it I'm tattooing Negan and Soldier Boy’ so it wasn't even from SPN that they got recognized from 😂

The next fan has a statement and a question, they would like them to please let Kripke know they want him at a con. Jensen says that he would be either really good or really boring because he’s so careful about what comes out of his mouth so he might just say no comment to everything or if he was able to he could give the dissected version of every question and answer, that it would be awesome. Jensen says that attending a con has actually been on Kripke’s radar, he has commented to Jensen that he’s interested in it but he’s so busy that things would have to slow down in his world for that to happen and Jensen hopes it does for Kripke’s sake. JDM asks if there’s only one more year of The Boys to which Jensen replies that there are a lot of rumors but nothing official and that he hopes Kripke gets a break sometime soon and during that break, he gets to attend a con. 

And the question is, are there hopes for a tour in the future? No. Obviously, they were very thrilled with the success of the show, that it was incredibly nerve-wracking cause there were so many moving pieces to get that done. They had 13 people on that stage that night and just the thought of like their drummer calling the night before that they have a family emergency and having to bail like anything could have happened so Jensen was really nervous and he was putting a lot of pressure on himself and he remembers at the end of it Steve was like ‘pretty badass wasn’t it?’ and Jensen’s reply was that he never wanted to do that again but then after he settled down he was like ‘maybe we should talk about doing that again’ but touring might be aggressive. But anything’s on the table he would have to talk to his partner about that; JDM says he saw the concert online and then texted Jensen telling him it was really good, that he remembers the first con he ever did was in Vegas and that was the first time Jensen ever got up on stage and sang- he sounds like such a proud dad, it's so cute.

Jensen says the really shitty part of it was that they had to follow probably one of the best performances they’d ever seen out of Louden Swain. x

The next fan wants to let Jensen know that TW’s portrayal of John made them love the character and they hope it’s something they get to see more of in TW and SPN. Jensen says that he, Robbie, and Drake had an at-length conversation about what this John pre-Mary’s death would be like and they really wanted to make him a more approachable character because it would have been an obvious choice to make him the same, there’s no shift, and he thinks that’s a beautiful thing in storytelling when a character goes through something so traumatic that it changes them sometimes for good sometimes for bad. That it’s arguable whether John was changed for bad or good because he set out to do good even though it was a vengeful mission he was setting out to right a wrong because he had gotten wronged and his wife and his family had gotten wronged so he was setting out to right that wrong, now the debate is whether he did that the right way or the wrong way but nonetheless it changed John so he wanted there to be a different type of John in TW so we could see a glimpse prior to that and he thinks that Drake did a great job. x

What’s their favorite format to play in? Jeffrey says the one with the best writing. So probably not the 23 episodic series one because that’s really hard to keep up that level of writing, that lately there’s so much kinda good stuff out there, streaming has kind of changed the game but it also has kind of put a dent in the business because not everyone can be Netflix or Amazon so a lot of shows that we watch are in trouble right now because they don’t have the money because everybody gave up on commercial tv which is crazy; but you follow the best script. You get the best script, you get the best people to work with but as they’ve said a lot of it is luck you don't know half the time if it’s good.

He mentions the SPN pilot and Jensen says the Pilot was good writing and that it still holds up today, and Jeffrey says he knew SPN was good when he saw the soundtrack was in the script. Jeffrey, once again with the honesty, adds that there are also good scripts that get screwed up. So he does like more streaming and a condensed season he thinks it’s easier to keep the quality level. 

Jensen answers that he tends to gravitate towards tv over film because with film it’s all there, the beginning, the middle and the end, but with a series it’s a journey and you don’t know where that journey is going to go for the character, the story, or the relationships, and he tends to enjoy that more. JDM mentions that he also thinks they’re not making the quality of movies they were 20yrs ago and the best writing, directing and acting is on television. 

Jensen adds that doing a 23-episode network tv show is a grind but with as much as they were doing they did turn out some really great stuff and he thinks that's a testament to the people involved in the show, that they were really invested and loved the show, that being said he’s also done daytime soaps which was brutal, his record is 24 pages of dialogue in one day. This makes them share a mini story about how one time when Jeffrey was filming both SPN and Grey’s Anatomy he had gotten off a 14hr day at Grey’s, hopped on a plane, and got straight to work on SPN so his brain was mush so the way around that was to put his dialogue on post-it notes and stick them everywhere including the boys, they had Jeffrey’s dialogue on post-it notes on their chest 😂

Jensen says that if he had his choice he would do a half hour multicam because schedule wise it is unbelievable, when he thinks about Friends they worked 8hrs a week, three weeks on one week off, they were making a million per episode- that one of his first gigs was a multi cam half hour, JDM says it was the same for him that he did a half hour with Jason Bateman called Black Sheep and he played Joey and he tested for Joey from Friends but he didn’t get it and he’s still mad about it. 

Jensen continues and says that it’s also like doing live theater, every week you get an audience of 200-250 people, on a small soundstage and you put on a show for them for 2-3 hours, it’s great energy and you’re workshopping the material all week at a difference when you do a series you block a scene, you might run it one time then go to camera.  He thinks guys like he and JDM, you can pretty much throw them at any situation and they’ll be alright cause they’ve been doing it for so long they'll figure it out but multi-cam that’s where it’s at but they don’t make as much of those shows anymore. x

If they played pro baseball what would their walkup song be? Jensen says it’d be the theme song that used to play in his high school games which is the theme song from The Natural which is a baseball movie. Apologies to Jensen cause I’ve never seen it. Also, there’s a hilarious moment where Jensen does a bit of the melody and Jeffrey just goes “the theme from Star Wars?” 🤣

It is time for the last question and Jeffrey is very confused and surprised about the last question process. 

What are their favorite karaoke songs? JDM has never done karaoke before and he wants to say Jensen has asked him to before and he’s said goodnight. Jensen hasn’t done karaoke in quite some time and he meant to say he’ll never forget but instead, he said he’ll always forget 😂

Anyways, what he was trying to share is that when he was shooting Dawson’s Creek they went to a little karaoke place and he was just getting to know the cast, they didn’t him that well and it was his first time hanging out with them, and he was playing pool and somebody asked if he was gonna do a song so he reluctantly went up thinking it was either going to go horribly wrong and they would laugh him off the stage or he’d do something different and he sang El Paso by Marty Robbins. x

Jensen and JDM Main Panel NJCon 2023