#swiftwyn

[whatiwillsay]

Swiftie Girlfriends React to The Tortured Poets Department FIRST LISTEN

making this youtube thing happennnnn

[the-hushed-one]

We almost know the reason of the swiftwyn breakup.

Now that you think of it, Taylor's friends, especially Ryan and Gigi and also Abigail unfollowing Joe on Instagram was quite absurd.

Like Joe didn't even do something wrong. Joe was frirnds with Gigi before he knew Taylor. And Ryan wrote in that article that Joe and him were pretty good friends. I'm pretty sure his kids refer of referred to him as uncle Joe (Which is cute)

Them unfollowing Joe like this was quite stupid. Didn't they know that this kind of mass unfollowing can have such a big affect on the pr and stuff? This move basically encouraged the cheating rumours about Joe.

Instead of just choosing sides, they should've been supportive of the both of them. I get it that they were better friends with Taylor than with Joe, but they all did such a high school act as if Joe did something wrong.

Was Taylor trying to get back at Joe? Idk, but this was such a mean and a rude and a bad move.

[youareinlove]

well toe is a horrible name like who even called them that

mostly people who didn't like them and then it was sort of used by the fandom as a joke-ish thing

[taylortruther]

At this point the conversations about Swiftwyn are very recycled because everyone's basically making the same points, which I understand because this is a big deal but it gets boring sometimes and it gets annoying too because people get so upset if you tell them Taylor's probably still not over the breakup or when you try to explain the complexity, not-black-and-whiteness of it all.

the way people simplify the breakup is funny. Do they realize who Taylor is? The woman who wrote an RED and 1989? Do they realize how breakups and feelings and healing work? People say she's already moved on and I wonder what they expect her to do, post a video of her crying and saying she misses him? She's probably writing songs about her feelings and 2 years from now we'll know how she felt at this time.

I remember when folklomore came out I saw someone ranting about how Taylor is still writing about snakegate and she should move on. Life-changing events are, well, fucking life-changing and they affect you for years to come it's crazy that people expect her to just move on as if there is a specific time-frame for healing, as if once something terrible happens to you you can just go back to who you were before. One point of Midnights is that everything that happens to you is still on your mind and you can find yourself thinking about an ex whose name you can't rememeber now.

the way people expect her to move on from 2016 is one of my joker moments in the fandom. same with how people said joe should worry because she wasn't "over" jake, harry, matty, etc.

even my mean anon yesterday sent me a few more asks about how it's stupid i still talk about my ex. i know some of this fandom is very young, and not everyone has the privilege of having their heart broken, but god. if your world was ever changed by someone, and you DON'T think about it for years after, i really think you're probably just repressing.

[persephone-sails]

What annoys me the most is when her fans pretend that she isn't and has never been the one in power in her relationships, when guys have been saying for years that dating her would be emasculating (including the one she's currently dating lol). Personally I hate that word but it just goes to show that she is a loud and proud girlboss artist. It's not just her wealth or talent that scares insecure men,its the prospect of being the muse–a role that has historically been played by women. As she herself said she's The Man. She's ambitious, hard working, and is unapologetic of her fame and wants someone who is comfortable with it. It's clear that she wears the pants in pretty much any relationship she's in. The only time this wasn't the case was with John Mayer, Jake G and Calvin; in first two it was because she was way younger and relatively naive and in the last one it was because she was in a bad place, mental health wise. Its even more hypocritical when those same fans have no issues when its her being somewhat predatory(Connor Kennedy was literally in highschool when she dated him btw). Either way idk who fucked up and who didn't in swiftwyn but its deeply sexist to assume Taylor's the victim. If anyone is the victim however it's the woc swifties who are forced to watch their idol proudly flaunt someone who enjoys watching them being explicitly humiliated and degraded.

[thelasttime]

i don't really use ship names that much except for relationships that are really really old but i believe the popular ones were/are

jaylor (joe j and taylor)

taylor squared (taylor lautner and taylor)

gyllenswift (jake and taylor)

taco (conor kennedy and taylor but i don't think anyone shipped this)

haylor (harry and taylor)

tayvin (calvin and taylor)

hiddleswift (tom and taylor) (also rip)

swiftwyn (joe a and taylor)

maylor (matty and taylor but i think a very specific subset of people ship this)

tayvis (travis and taylor)

is this mostly correct?

HIDDLESWIFT LET ME HEAR YOU MAKE SOME NOOOOOOOISE

[whatiwillsay]

Not to rehash Taylor or Joe too much but bleachers just released a Christmas song and I saw a TikTok from @Jessiswifttok that made a pretty convincing argument it could be about Joe and then we have the bleachers antihero remix. Anyway, have you ever gotten any tea on how Jack felt about Joe?

let's rehash! i just dropped the last toe timeline episode!

apple:

spotify:

i don't have any tea on joe and jack but sometimes jack seemed like he didn't like him. that's pure vibes though not evidence based at all!

[the-hushed-one]

I think since the break up news got out (swiftwyn), the fandom got divided into two parts.

Half the swifties are there, justifying every wrong thing Taylor is doing these days and half of them are just wondering if they can love Taylor as much as they loved her before this drama.

Half are over this swiftwyn breakup, while half are just still manifesting for their patch up.

[bisluthq]

"After which she was single for like 7 weeks and then she started dating Travis."

And a decent chunk of that time she was (presumably) still interested in matty. The definitive 'they are no longer in contact' people article was a month after he left on tour/ghosted. Before that the articles were 'they are not together it was just casual, but who knows about the future ;)'. Which all makes sense now since we know Taylor didn't know wtf was going on at the time.

right??? And I am *not* a Maylor. I’d be fucking annoyed with her if they did a 3.0 because there are a myriad reasons why they won’t play for keeps this time (either) lol. I actually only became a fan of 75/Matty (idk if I’m a Matty fan idk he does so many stupid things) when I was researching 2.0. Like having only heard the hit songs and stuff about him online, he was fuck annoying. Now he feels like… idk my friend who’s a mess but I respect that he’s a nice person?? And ofc that’s parasocial but that’s why we follow celebs lol. He seems very fucked in the head but I can’t judge that.

I would say though that leaving your bf for your own ex who you had a slow burn friends to lovers things on the 2.0 is genuinely not insane. Like… people say “that was her episode of mania!!!!” and was it??? He was her ex, he became her friend, he heard about what was going on at home, he gave his 5 cents, she wanted to be with him and they got together. THAT part is normal. (The “she pined for him for 10 years” is not). That’s legit sane. That’s fair. Then he dumped her (which is SO rude of him like how he did it but I also can’t judge him because sometimes there’s fuck all to say) and that sucks but you’re telling me she got over both things in like… 8 weeks and was just meeting people, the healthiest she’s ever been??? Okay.

he also wasn’t well straight after their thing btw but he met a friend of a friend and she’s a good fit and follows him around idk and like he’s… evidently working on it.

she’s just aggressively yelling “I AM FINE!!!!”

PS. I wouldn’t approve of Tatty 3.0. At all. I expect it in the back of my mind but I wouldn’t approve as a fan.

PPS. Tatty 3.0 would piss me off less than Swiftwyn 2.0 unless both grow entirely new personalities.

[lcndonboysstuff]

that blog was just being weird

That blog (bisluthq I assume? I think it came from them) is always weird. Parasocial beyond belief. I remember they made it seem like Richard abandoned the family in London. No, he traveled for work. He made films and those films were sometimes based in other countries. It will be no different for Joe when he’s a dad.

BUT, they always had a lot of information on stuff! How? No idea.

oh i meant mustlikeme4me, she’s the one that was making that comparison between joe and his dad in April.

but yeah bisluthq was invasive beyond belief lol😂. ah i didn’t know they made it out like that smh.

they had so much info, just looking through their swiftwyn tag was insane. i think the video of t+j at his uncles funeral originated on that blog too. not to mention their partick tag also

[thegreatimpersonator]

the worst part is .. there was this blog who used to write the cutest swiftwyn fics and i came to tumblr ONLY for her fics. and as soon as they broke up.. she went to this psychic and now she believes MATTY AND TAY are belonged and excuses his every fucking behavior !

like i freaking don't understand. how can someone excuse that! also she is a full on joe anti rn. literally saying shit like "he never cared enough " or " didn't go to enough shows" (that debate is sooo bad , like joe has work and decent work unlike matty)

like idc if she thinks tay belongs with someone else

but suddenly believing they are belonged and literally defending them and his behaviour! is.... idk

im sorry you read what

[elenaferrante]

I stg every time I listen to little evermore, I literally get legit tears in my eyes when I hear taylor sing: “I swear you were there” 🥺

The way she thought and dreamed about him (“when I was shipwrecked / I thought of you / in the cracks of light / i dreamed of you”) when everything was falling apart… “When she lay there on the ground / she dreamed of […] / a love that was really something / not just the idea of something,” and then, “when she stood […] / standing broad-shouldered next to her / was a love that was really something.” It was real enough to get her through because it wasn’t just the idea of something.

He was there.

[taylortruther]

My ex and I broke up 4 years ago and I don't miss her, but I still had to mute her instagram so I wouldn't see her stories. After the breakup I was in a very bad space and I healed but healing doesn't mean I'm someone completely new, it just means I'm the person who grew *from* the heartbreak. Now it's just when I see her it's just a little painful to see how much of a stranger she is and to know that I don't particularly like this stranger who was once someone I deeply cared about. And sometimes I miss her even without seeing her. It's very rare at this point but I grieve over what we had and what we will never have and sometimes I picture myself telling her my plans or ideas. I don't know how to explain this idea that I've healed and moved on but what we lost will always be a scar but like, god knows I try because half the things I write are trying to capture this feeling and failing because I think it's just impossible to capture. It makes me think a lot about Swiftwyn because, as someone who experiences it, I think it will always be something she writes about especially because it's gonna be some time until she heals.

"what we've lost will always be a scar" - yes, exactly! you can't keep a scar from forming, but you can do your best to minimize it. but sometimes that just takes time. (and i feel the same way about my ex. i think i might grieve what we could have had - but didn't - for a long time.)

tbh, you know what i think about a lot? how painful re-recording rep would be. like. it must feel like cruel irony that she has to re-record an album about the beginnings of one of her greatest love stories, so soon after it ended (and forced her into another beginning.) like. control, fate, time, rebirth... it's something we all deal with, but taylor in particular has always been so preoccupied with those concepts. idk idk

[youareinlovees]

Taylor and Joe in 2021 (continued)

July 1st – Taylor leaves RI and arrives in Dublin.

July 2nd – Renegade by Big Red Machine (feat. Taylor Swift) is released. 

The music video features home videos of Taylor that were filmed (almost definitely by Joe) in the Belfast rental.

(via soprettytothink)

Aaron Dessner talks to Zane Lowe about Renegade. (x)

“Taylor’s words shine a light on something I think anyone can relate to–how anxiety and fear so often needlessly stand in the way of love (...) I remember the weird electricity and goosebumps I felt listening to Taylor’s voice memo of her singing this song for the first time.”

July 13th – Todrick shares a video posted by a fan account of Joe shielding Taylor from the paps. (x)

July 22nd – Joe posts photos from their trip to Ballymastocker Bay in Donegal, Ireland.

July 24th – Taylor posts about folklore’s one-year anniversary and shares pictures from the same trip. (x)

In the afternoon, they leave Belfast for London. (x)

July 28th – @/daylightanna tweets about her family being mutual friends with the Alwyns. In 2019, she received merch and a signed photo for her birthday after Taylor found out from Joe’s mum that she was a huge fan.

(Another fan, whose cousin is family friends with Joe’s family, talked about the same story back in 2018.)

July 31st – Taylor’s jet leaves London for Belfast, and then parks in Nashville.

August 2nd – It’s rumored that Joe and Taylor are in Cavan, Ireland. (x)

August 3rd – According to an article from The Anglo Celt, Taylor and Joe are reportedly staying at Farnham Estate in Cavan. (x) Other Irish publications also discuss the rumors. (x) (x)

August 6th – Joe posts these photos on his IG story, where Taylor’s arm can be seen on the right.

He also posts pictures that were taken in Shepherd’s Bush, which were probably from their trip to London the previous week. (x)

August 11th – Around this time, Taylor and Joe have dinner at @/springfield_js’ friend’s brother-in-law’s restaurant. (x)

August 21st – @/graybeloathed tweets this.

August 22nd – Joe is spotted back in Belfast, meaning they’ve returned from their trip to Cavan.

August 23rd – Taylor posts a TikTok with Screwface Capital by Dave in the background, and we know Joe is a fan of his and went to a concert back in 2019.

August 24th – Taylor leaves Belfast for London, before going to NYC.

(Since Patrick Alwyn’s starting at NYU this year, it’s possible that her jet stopped in London to pick him up and fly him over to NY)

August 25th – Aaron Dessner makes an appearance on the Midnight Chats podcast, and talks about working on folklore and evermore. (x)

“Coney Island is actually something that my brother Bryce wrote and started the music for, and he had worked a lot on folklore and also on evermore and obviously we do so much together. I had sort of developed it, and Taylor wrote Coney Island with Joe, actually, Joe Alwyn, and they felt that it was like - it felt very much, of all the songs we made, that one felt the most related to The National or something musically.”

Joe takes a photo with a fan in Belfast. (x) He evidently later flies commercial to the States, and potentially meets up with Taylor in Nashville the next day.

August 26th – Taylor and Joe are papped disembarking from her jet in LA. (x)

August 31st – Taylor and Joe are seen hiking on the Hastain Trail in Franklin Canyon Park, CA.

September 2nd – Joe and Taylor leave LA for New York.

September 7th – Taylor’s jet flies from NY to Belfast.

September 9th – Taylor and Joe go out for dinner at Shu Restaurant in Belfast. (x)

September 10th – Joe brings Taylor as his date to the Conversations With Friends Belfast wrap party. (x)

September 12th – The CWF cast and crew move to Dubrovnik, Croatia. (x)

September 14th – Taylor leaves Belfast for Croatia. (x)

September 16th – In an interview with Audacy, Ed Sheeran talks about his friendship with Taylor. (x)

It's great, and [Taylor and Cherry] get on like a house on fire, and I love Taylor's boyfriend Joe. He's such a wonderful human and they just work really well together. It's cool. It's mad having, because I don't see it as - I know it's an industry friendship, but I don't see it like that. I feel like industry friendships, when you hang out you post a picture, people know you've hung out, whereas with me and her, she'll come around for dinner with Joe, or I'll go over there for dinner with Cherry, and it's like we have a friendship that isn't really in the spotlight. 

September 17th – Taylor posts a TikTok for Wildest Dreams TV that was filmed in Croatia.

September 24th – Taylor leaves Croatia and goes to London for Lena Dunham’s wedding. Joe and Jemima are presumably stuck filming and can’t attend.

September 26th – Joe’s makeup artist posts photos with both Joe and Taylor on her IG story. 

September 27th – Taylor leaves London and returns to Croatia. (x)

September 28th – Joe and Taylor spend their 5th anniversary together in Croatia.

September 29th – Joe attends Sasha Lane’s birthday party.

It’s also super likely that Taylor was with Joe, because the background of another photo shows him standing next to someone wearing a dress by Christy Dawn, a brand that she's been wearing frequently lately.

October 3rd – Taylor’s jet flies from Croatia back to London. 

October 4th – Joe's grandfather’s funeral is held in London, and Joe and Taylor presumably attend together. Afterwards, Joe most likely flies back to Croatia commercially to continue filming.

October 9-11th – Conversations With Friends wraps filming around this time. (x)

October 28th – Tiernan Heffron appears on a podcast and talks about meeting Taylor and Joe at the Tipsy Bird in Belfast. (x)

“Like [Taylor] goes, “I heard you singing American country music tonight” and I was like “yeah I love that music, that’s the type of music that I’d love to write” and then she goes “This is my partner, Joe” so then she introduced me to Joe, and I shook his hand. She says, “look me and Joe actually wrote the past two albums together!” It’s like, even her telling me that is really cool.” 

November 3rd – It’s reported that Joe will be co-starring opposite Margaret Qualley in an upcoming A24 adaptation titled “The Stars at Noon.” (x) Filming will be located in Panama, Central America.

November 12th – Red (Taylor’s Version) is released, and most of the songs were recorded in Belfast, Northern Ireland. (x)

November 12th – Joe’s mum attends the premiere of the All Too Well short film in NYC. (x)

November 14th – Joe follows Austin Swift back on Instagram (Austin had been following him since 2018).

November 16th – Ryan Reynolds likes this Instagram post.

November 17th – Taylor leaves NYC for Panama to go see Joe. 

November 18th – Taylor posts a TikTok from Panama. (x)

November 20th – Taylor’s SUV is seen parked outside the National Theatre in Panama. (x)

(Translated from theswiftiecult’s IG stories)

November 18, Taylor posted a reel, we immediately set out to investigate the wall, and guess what;  that same night we found the hotel and it was super easy because we looked in the hotels that are in the old town and the first one that came out was the American Trade Hotel, the same walls.  With that we already confirmed that she was here (...) The following day, November 19, swifties went on rounds and saw Joe near Cathedral Square, but they saw him from afar.  

November 20: The swifties were making rounds and saw that there was movement.  They saw a black van with guards who had monitored the area as if they were looking for someone, after that the car moved and parked in front of the National Theater and there was Tay, only we did not know (later I informed them).  And that same day a girl tells me that she saw Joe at the hotel (we have photos but they cannot be shared) and she also saw her bodyguard.

November 22: A friend who works at the Panama Pacifico International Airport tells a swiftie that Taylor is already leaving Panama, because they were preparing her jet and it was the same one who posted the fandom account on Tumblr.  (We only have photos of the jet when it was taking off and they cannot be shared either) 

The jet left at around 11 in the morning, they couldn't take a picture of it. And that same day another girl from the group that they were recording in Chepo communicated to us, because she lives near her.

November 23 arrives, when May takes pictures with Joe, but before that, she talked to a producer [of the Stars At Noon], and they told her that Taylor went to the National Theater and liked it a lot, they would go out at night so they wouldn’t be seen, also because at night Joe wasn’t filming. 

November 22nd – Taylor leaves Panama for New York.

November 23rd – E! Online releases an article about Taylor recently going to Panama and visiting Joe on set. (x)

A source tells E! News that the 31-year-old singer took a trip to spend time with actor Joe Alwyn at his work following the release of Red (Taylor's Version) on Nov. 12. According to the source, "Taylor visited her boyfriend on the set of his movie."

Joe, 30, is currently shooting the film adaptation of Denis Johnson's novel, The Stars at Noon, per his IMDb page.

November – Joe meets fans whilst filming in Panama. (x) (x)

November 29th – Olivia the cat makes an appearance in the CWF photobook. (x)

December 13th – Taylor and Alana Haim throw a joint birthday party in NYC. Joe’s still busy filming and unable to attend. (x)

December 16th – Taylor’s jet leaves Nashville for Panama, ostensibly to go pick him up. (x)

December 17th – Joe wraps filming on The Stars At Noon, and leaves Panama for NYC. 

December 22nd – Taylor and Joe leave NYC for Rhode Island. (x)

Courtney Love wishes Taylor a belated happy birthday, and refers to her as an occasional neighbour (they both have places in Belsize Park, London).

December 27th – After spending Christmas in RI together, they go to LA while Taylor’s parents most likely head back to Nashville. 

December 28th – Taylor’s jet goes Nashville > St Louis > Salt Lake City > LA. Since she has relatives in St Louis and her family often stays in SLC during the holidays, it’s super possible they were picked up for some kind of gathering in LA. (x)

December 31st – Taylor and Joe leave LA and fly to Tahiti, arriving at 7:47am. Meanwhile, her other jet goes LA > SLC > Nash > St Louis > Nash, most likely dropping her family back home.

Bowen Yang does a photo dump on IG and includes a photo from SNL week that was taken at Taylor’s NYC place.

In the background, a framed photo of Taylor and Joe can be seen.

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