#this ticks some boxes i didn't know i had tbh

[andy-clutterbuck]

Bye | 1x03 | The Ones Who Live

[gothbitez]

linger, ellie williams

pairing: dealer!ellie x afab!reader

chapter: one shot (5.5k words) (theres hope for a continuation tbh) proofread but I'm dyslexic so if you see a missing word, double words and errors- mind ur business </3

warnings: explicit sexual content, 18+ so minors do not interact!!!, dealer!ellie so mentions of drug use and marijuana, afab!reader and gendered nicknames, poc friendly!! blasphemy, choking, use of trusty strap. ellie's a bit rough but it's all consensual she just gets pussydrunk tbh, (think that's all)

summary: reader returns from patrol to find her stash is empty, relying on her trusty masc dealer who loves calling her nicknames and teasing her.

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**

A sigh escaped your lips, damn.

You looked at the almost empty baggie with a slight pout, almost pleading to the bag, hoping its substances would magically reappear. But you knew better than that.

You glanced at the clock behind you, it rested on a mahogany wall which had seldom been cleaned or decorated, you simply didn't have the time or effort, to be honest. Even after so many years.

There was too much to do in Jackson, whether you were on patrol, sorting out stables or farming crops. There was rarely any free time, but tonight you had returned from a three-week patrol, and all you had wanted was to spark up and relax for a few hours. Maybe finally get some good fucking sleep, in your own bed.

Alas, you had returned to Jackson to find your stash box considerably emptier than you remember. You could've sworn you had some more left, but knowing your habits, three weeks prior you had probably decided it would be best to smoke it all, as a going-away present to yourself. You sighed at your own stupidity.

The clock's hands ticked as you reevaluated your situation. Another look at the clock told you it was now 2:36 a.m. What were your options?

You could attempt to sleep without a joint and lie awake all night, your mind consistently reminding you of all the shocks and horrors you'd seen that you'd hoped had all been forgotten. Sometimes, you'd see the restless faces you had killed, sometimes you'd see the people who tried to kill you. Other times, flashes of infected, masses and masses of them charging after you. You shook your head to yourself. Needless to say, going cold turkey was not something you had wanted to do, especially at nighttime.

With that in mind, you collected some things and put some denim pants on, they were a bit on the baggy side but in the apocalypse, beggars can't be choosers, they fit around your waist that's all that matters. On top rested a tightly fitted green shirt, it was actually one of your favourites as it let you see what was going on underneath those clothes, it made you feel confident and you'd need all the confidence you had for this.

You had no other choice, it was almost 3 a.m and the only other person who was likely to be awake, someone with the same sleeping struggles as you, was none other than Ellie Williams. Your cheeks flushed. Would she even be awake? Would she even want customers at this hour?

You hesitated as you reached your front door, this probably wasn't a good idea but you were desperate, with a final sigh you unlocked your door and stepped outside into Jackson's winter weather.

***

With a light tap, you knocked on Ellie's door, suddenly unsure of yourself. A few moments passed as you thought no answer was going to come when you heard shuffling from inside the building and a shadow moving across the window.

You sighed, happy that she was awake.

You heard the door unlock before it opened revealing the auburn-haired girl you had hoped to see. Her brows were furrowed, a hint of confusion on her features.

"It's a bit late, you know." She spoke, her voice raspy, she was probably tired. It was then that you realised how desperate you probably looked, knocking on Ellie's door at ungodly hours of the night.

"Sorry, ran out of weed." You muttered, that was all you could say, a gust of condensation exiting with your words due to the cold. Hopefully, she'd be kind enough to give you some and spare you the embarrassment. Ellie had a reputation for being a bit of a menace, though.

Ellie chuckled quietly, looking down at you. "Well, that explains it," she hummed, her green eyes locking onto yours. Unable to hold her gaze, you looked down at your hands. They were slowly becoming numb from the extreme weather, your jacket not padded enough to protect you from this cold. "I know it's late, I just can't sleep without it..." you trailed off, "sorry, I can come back tomorrow if that's better."

Ellie simply shook her head, a soft smile grazing her plump lips, "I couldn't turn away such a pretty girl," she stopped, "especially at this time of night, it's dangerous out there."

At her words, you felt yourself fumble. You knew there was little to worry about in the safe confines of Jackson in terms of danger, except for a few raids here and there. Memories flashed in your head from a few years ago, you blushed at the thought, refusing to entertain it any longer. You wondered if she remembered it, too. Probably not.

"Only if it's no bother," you said, unsure. "Of course, not. It comes with the job of being the only source for miles," she reassured, to which you smiled and shook your head, agreeing.

"Come in, you look like you're freezing." That you didn't expect, usually in your meetings you would quickly exchange goods before returning home. But this time, she was looking at you with that smile of hers, and the cold was slowly decreasing your energy. "Yeah, okay." you hesitated, following her into her home.

Ellie closed the door behind you, before speaking again, "It's upstairs, I'll go grab it, you can take a seat wherever." She accommodated, I sat as she left the room, hearing her footsteps trail upstairs.

You took this time to look around, your house was comfortable, but it wasn't quite lived in as Ellie's, who seemingly had personalised and decorated her space. You wonder if she has people over often. For some reason, that thought tightened your chest.

You were quickly pulled away from your thoughts as Ellie reappeared in the living room. "Here," she threw a bag towards you, you smiled as your mission had been successful, catching the bag in your hands. "Thanks," you spoke, gratitude all over your voice.

"Don't mention it," she paused, "Seriously, don't mention it, Maria's been on my ass about it." "Having a domestic dealer probably wasn't what she wanted for Jackson." You joked, knowing Maria always made disapproving comments when she'd catch a whiff of it at your house. "Well, too bad. If I had to deal with an apocalypse sober, I'd have shot myself." She deadpanned, and you laughed in return.

"Thank you for providing sanity for us all." Ellie laughed at this. Her eyes looking over you, it reminded you of that day so many years ago. You shuddered.

"Well, I'll head off, don't wanna bother you more than I already have." You said, thinking that it must be at least four in the morning by this point. "Rude as always, I see." she joked, putting her hand over her heart in feigned hurt, "not even gonna stay for a joint?" Ellie pressed, finding herself entertained with the pretty girl in her living room.

To be honest, you were quite comfortable and warm. Not wanting to face that cold again, you mulled over what she said, surely one joint with her can't hurt right? "If you insist," you finally said.

With that, Ellie picked herself up off the floor, making her way over to Joel's vinyl player. You took this time to really look at her, she'd only gotten more attractive over the years you'd known her. Her short auburn hair was tied into a half bun, the rest of her hair left down, biting down on her lip softly as she scoured for a good record to play, god she really was attractive, you thought.

Against your will, memories of ardent kisses, lingering glances, heavy breaths and harsh touches appeared in your brain again. God damn it, you thought, not now. You pressed your legs together as Ellie had finally picked a record, placing it delicately on the player before turning her attention back towards you, music playing softly in the background.

"So, we've not really spoken for a while, huh?" Ellie said, grabbing the baggie and her paraphernalia as she settled down on the floor to roll. Ellie knew you could roll perfectly fine, you had been getting weed off her for years, but she couldn't help herself from wanting to show off her skills a little. You glanced at her arms, toned and tanned, adorned with a tattoo, your glance reaching her hands as you inspect the delicate way she grabs the items. Her hands are so pretty- veiny and strong, your thoughts roamed, thinking about what she could do with them, you blushed to yourself.

"I've been on patrol the past three weeks, only got back tonight." "I was wondering where the beauty of Jackson had disappeared off to," she half-smiled, looking up from hands to you, "Glad you're back."

You felt the blood in your cheeks rise, you were far from the prettiest girl around. "Me too, couldn't take another day of Jesse and Dina sneaking around during the night." You joked, those two thought they were so subtle and you couldn't shatter that blissful illusion for them. "Why do you think I refuse to go on patrol with both of them?" Ellie said, the joint rolled in less than a few minutes.

You couldn't help but be impressed, it usually took you a good amount of time before you could perfectly tuck the paper into itself, that part always annoyed you. But, Ellie? She did it all so effortlessly, her fingers habitually manoeuvring the paper before bringing it to her lips, licking the edge of the paper to stick it all together. Her eyes never left yours as she did this, lingering on you.

You watched, wordlessly as she finished rolling it. What could you say? Yeah, that was really hot, do it again, never. "Why are you so far away, I don't bite," Ellie said, trying to soften the tension that glazed over the room.

You didn't realise the distance there was between you two, you being happily sat on the couch whilst Ellie settled herself on the floor. "Alright," you scootered down next to her on the floor, resting your back against the couch. "That's more like it,"

With that, she held the joint up to your face, placing it lightly between your defined lips. You froze, watching her grab a lighter and bring it to the joint, lighting it for you. You inhaled, securing the flame was actually lit before pulling away and exhaling.

You remembered something Tommy had said, how before the outbreak, men would sometimes light cigarettes for women they find attractive and were actively pursuing. You wondered if Ellie was making a subtle move on you, but before the thought continued, you passed the joint back to her, fingers lingering on each other briefly. She established eye contact, not breaking it as she inhaled. You felt something in the air switch.

"You know something?" She broke the silence, exhaling the smoke as she did so, you thought she was about to say something really serious, so you listened. "I think you've never had to roll a joint in your entire life," she accused, an impish glint in her eyes letting you know she was officially reaching teasing territory.

"Excuse me, I can roll very well, thank you." You responded, feeling confident in your abilities. "No, I don't think that's true," she paused, taking a drag, "Pretty girl like you, I'm sure men are fawning at the chance to roll for you to impress." Ellie teased. "What, like you?" You retorted, not wanting her to have the upper hand. This seemed to catch her off guard, "What? You think I didn't notice you 'fawning to roll to impress me'?" Ellie was silent, then. Her teasing had backfired and she was left with nothing to say. You felt a swell of pride, you had made the confident Ellie speechless.

Passing you the joint back, Ellie thought back to the same day you couldn't stop remembering, she recalled that day clearly. The way your mouths had fervently collided, a haze of lust in each other's eyes. You had probably both been about 17 at the time, succumbing to each other after a night of secretly drinking Tommy's whiskey behind the stables. Of course, the lovely make-out session had been interrupted by Jesse, who was roaming around the stables. Ever since then, they never mentioned it, and nothing further happened. To make it worse, she found out that the day after you two had kissed, there was a certain man trying to grab your attention.

Ellie was never insecure, but seeing you laugh at this random bastard's jokes made her feel inferior, so she gave up. She left you alone and decided she wouldn't mention it. Though, her body craved to feel you again. She had assumed you were straight, in all honesty, but she never bothered to ask. If she did she would've found that you were the exact opposite. You had dated men in the past, slept with them, Ellie knew this. However, she was none the wiser to the truth that you were, in fact, dealing with a heavy dilemma as you realised you weren't actually attracted to men. You had always known you were into women, but finalising that you weren't into men at all, was a recent development.

Ellie sighed, thinking of that night. You had probably forgotten, she thought. It was so long ago now. "Penny for your thoughts," you said, after exhaling and passing it back to Ellie. "I'd rather stay penniless." She stated, not wanting to expose what she was really thinking about. "Come on, that's no fun." You said, feeling light-headed.

"I was just thinking," she trailed off, realising she had lost the upper hand. Ellie wouldn't have that, she craved being in control of the situation again. Ellie liked control, she liked to have her bearings and to be honest, you were making her lose it. "What?"

"I was wondering if you remember that night." You gulped, eyebrows slightly raising and stopped the movement of your hand raising the joint to your lips. There it is. Ellie thought, a smirk grazing her lips, she remembers. "I don't know what you're talking about, Ellie." This was the first time in the entire night you had said her name, and the rush it brought her was unreal, feeling more confident to press further. She saw you shudder and she wanted to see it again, she wanted to see you in all sorts of compromising positions.

"You don't?" Ellie teased, "Really?" Inching closer to you, gaze dropping down to your lips, not believing a word that was coming from them. You tensed, of course, you remembered. How could you possibly forget? The way she grabbed your waist, kissing up your neck. It was heavenly. You sighed, and she ate it up.

It was an unspoken thing, you both quietly decided that it'd be best to never mention it. But now, Ellie was reaching dangerous territory, and she couldn't pull herself back.

"Cos I remember," she leaned closer to your ear, "I remember everything." Your mouth hung open, feeling the heaviness of her breath hitting your ear, almost making you flinch. "You do?" you breathed, moving your head so it was level with hers.

"Everything," Ellie stated. Her eyes were blown out, the joint almost neglected as the smoke kept disappearing into the room's air. Ellie grabbed the forgotten joint from your hands, bringing it to her lips and inhaling, before moving it back to your lips. Your faces were so close, she blew the smoke at you. You latched on to the joint taking a final drag before Ellie stumps it out and throws it aside, "Let me jog your memory," grabbing the back of your head, bringing your lips closer.

With the smoke still in your throat, you close the gap, lips meeting in a needy manner. Her hand still latched on to your hair, pulls your head back as you have no choice but to sigh into her mouth. Ellie sucks the smoke from your lips, taking her final drag before ripping her lips from yours to blow it out.

You had never seen anything like it, you felt a rush down to your core at the action, then realised you were sad that she had taken away the warmth of her lips.

With a groan, she replaced her hands at the back of your neck, breathing heavily as she reconnected your lips together. God this was so much better than you remembered, Ellie's gotten good at this, causing a pang of jealousy to hit your chest.

Your hands travelled, meeting her waist and letting out a small gasp as Ellie grabbed the back of your head and pulled your neck back again, exposing your throat to her. This time, she leaned down and placed her soft lips on your supple skin, groaning as she sucked, causing soft hisses to escape from you. Ellie chuckled and continued leaving marks all over your neck, she was enjoying this, fucker.

Her roaming hands grasp the skin underneath your shirt, gripping you tightly. You let out a sigh as she manoeuvred her hands up, reaching the hem of your bra. Ellie brought her lips from your throat back to yours, almost laughing at how much she wanted this. She grabbed your thighs, a noise reverberating in her throat as she felt how warm they were, with a slight squeeze of your inner thigh, she hoisted you on top of her lap. Legs spread over hers.

Ever since that day, Ellie had never forgotten about you. Haunted by the memories of the night she held sacred. She often wondered if you thought about it. She wishes she had gotten further with you that night, but Jesse had to ruin everything. Here, today, she was given another chance, another chance to claim you, to mark you and make you feel the best pleasure you've ever felt.

It was almost carnal, her desire. She thanked her gods for bringing you to her tonight, she had a taste of you that night, and now she was ready to have the whole serving. "Ellie.." you trailed off, suddenly embarrassed, looking at her with those doe eyes. How can you look at her so innocently? Ellie almost melted at the sight, your eyes needy and chest rising rapidly, tugging on her waist harder. "What is it, pretty girl?" You almost moaned at the nickname, feeling a wave of shyness hitting you.

"Use your words, baby." Ellie hummed, placing her lips on your earlobe as she bit down gently, her hands caressing your back as she grabbed you tightly by the waist.

"Ellie... I.." You finally moaned, allowing yourself to give in, "Yes, angel?" Her raspy voice in your ear was causing your thoughts to run at a million miles per second. "Please," you finally said, covering your eyes with your hands.

Ellie was having none of that, she quickly raised her arms to grab yours, pulling them away from your face. "Why are you hiding, pretty girl?" You locked eyes, the longer you looked at her, the less resolve you had. She was just... so hot. The scar on her eyebrow brought a certain toughness to her appearance, her plump lips slightly red from kissing you, you could only imagine what you looked like. "I want you." You said, to which her smirk reappeared.

"Is that right?" she pecked your lips, "What do you want me to do?" She was teasing you, she knew damn well what you wanted. But she'll be damned if you weren't going to say it.

"Ellie!" You groaned, "Don't make me say it." hiding your face into her neck. "Say it." Her voice deadpan, "Say what you want me to do to you or this stops."

Her sudden change in demeanour took you by surprise, not expecting the way her words dripped with honey and hung in the air. You heard Ellie had a reputation, word travels fast in a small town, but you didn't realise just how quickly she could switch to being so dominating. You had no choice, now. Ellie wanted you to submit to her, assert her power and give you everything you needed. You just needed to say the word.

The tension hung in the atmosphere as you stared at each other, her pupils were dilated so large you could barely see the green eyes leaning on you. You couldn't take any more, you needed her, like a flower craves sunshine. "I need you to fuck me, Ellie." That's all that was needed. As soon as those sweet, sweet words left those tender lips of yours, Ellie knew she was a goner.

"That's all you had to say, pretty girl," she whispered into your lips, her hands at your thighs. It's like she just knew where to touch you, like she was born knowing. You let out a moan when she placed her knee in between your legs, grabbing her neck for support. You were still on her lap, your hips started moving automatically at the feel of her knee where you needed her the most.

"That's it, baby." she hummed, "Keep moving those hips for me," Her hands moved down to your ass, grabbing it and pulling you down further on her knee, all you could do was moan, and she had barely done anything. The power was quickly going to Ellie's head as she became unabashed. Loving how you looked so weak right now, so powerless, so... hers.

Ellie took notice of the way your cheeks darkened whenever she called you those names, she wanted to use that to her advantage. With a quick hand, she unbuttoned the pants that were still in the way, dragging them down your legs to reveal your silken thighs and lace underwear. Ellie groaned at the sight, fingers already making their way to your underwear before either of you noticed. She almost slapped herself for not doing this sooner, then remembered that guy.

"All those times you came here, saying you wanted a joint," she paused, "What you really wanted was for me to fuck you until you break." Her fingers teased circular motions at the inner part of your thighs, the sensation making you squeeze your legs. She was so close. "Isn't that right?" she questioned, "You just want to be fucked properly, can't fault you there, baby girl. These stupid men don't know what they're doing."

"Ellie... please." you moaned, feeling her fingers so, so close to your dripping core. "Is that what you want, hmm?" she cooed, her lips going to your neck again, "You want me to fuck you like those guys never did?" Fingers inching closer and closer, they slid the fabric of your underwear to the side. "Fuck.. Ellie.. please." You couldn't believe yourself, you were someone who liked to be in control, and Ellie was completely undoing everything you thought about yourself by the second. You heard the desperation in your own voice, almost ashamed that you could ever sound that needy.

"I'm gonna make you feel so good, baby." She dipped her finger into you, rotating it in small circles that made your skin feel as though it was on fire. The slight pressure of Ellie's finger stretching you out brought moans from your lips, it had been so long since you had been touched. And even longer since you felt this turned on. You craved more, you craved her.

Rutting your hips against her finger, Ellie decided to add more digits. Watching you as your face contorted with bliss, your eyebrows raising slightly as your mouth hung open, delicious sounds escaping your lips. It was music to Ellie's ears. This was officially the furthest you two had ever gotten.

"Do you know how long I wanted to do this, to see you rocking on my fingers? God, I could've killed Jesse that night." She groaned, her eyes gleaming as she smirked, feeling your hand grab her wrist, almost to say, more, more.

You were becoming breathless, but it still was not enough. You wanted all of Ellie. For her to give you her hardest. "Mhmm..." you moaned, smiling at the thought of Ellie being annoyed that your time in the stables had been interrupted, she thought about it as much as you did. It was clear now.

Ellie caught the smile and grinned, bringing her hand up to your throat. Smiling darkly up at you as she applied gentle pressure to your windpipe. You gasped, anytime a man had even tried to lay his hands on you like that, you'd tell him to kick it where the sun don't shine, yet with Ellie? With Ellie you would let her ravage you, take complete ownership of you. It was so natural. "You think I didn't see you practically drooling over my hands, you're not as subtle as you think, doll." 

Her toned arms gleamed in the dark as she fucked you, her other hand grabbing your breast under your shirt and rubbing your nipple, placing her lips over it as she sucked. You were getting close, the knot in your stomach tightening at her actions, and then she halted, pulling away from you and directing you onto the couch.

All you could do was whimper. Pathetically. That was until she leaned over you, your back resting against the couch as she spread your legs. She was tall, and she towered over you. Her fingers removed your shirt as yours removed her sports bra and shorts, throwing the garments with reckless abandon, uncaring of where they ended up, meeting each other's lips with a fever.

You felt your heart beat faster, the anticipation nearly making you come on the spot, you clenched wondering what she was about to do. Ellie lifted herself off you and onto her feet, "I'll be back, baby." She said before ruminating through a box in the room, you couldn't see what she was doing though, her back turned to you.

When she returned to you, she reconnected your lips, feverish hands moulding themselves over every inch of your body. As if she was worshipping you. Her head travelled down, dropping kisses on your collarbone, down to your stomach and finally reaching the top of your pelvis. You felt your thighs being pulled apart before Ellie placed her warm tongue down on you.

You moaned, relaxing at the sensation of her wet tongue lapping up your juices, she was good at this, there was no denying that. You were quick to lose control, hands clawing at the back of Ellie's head, as she wrapped your thighs around her head, bringing her tongue deeper. "Fuck..." you gasped, grabbing her head to relieve the pressure as she licked harder, alternating between soft and harsher pressures. It wasn't long before you were a moaning mess, whimpering and clenching around nothing.

Ellie decided to multitask, stretching you open with her fingers as she ate you out. She groaned herself, even without you touching her she was already so turned on, her mind reeling and all she could think about was you. You, those moans and that body. She felt drunk from the sounds you released, and wanted nothing more than to continue hearing them.

She removed her mouth from your core, fingers still dipping in and out of you. "You like that, baby? Huh?" She breathed, "You like having my fingers inside you?" She teased, looking up at you with those darkened eyes, before dipping her head back down to your core. "Ye-mhmm, yes, fuck!" You never knew head and fingers could make you feel so good, just goes to show the kind of previous partners you had.

"More, plea- Ellie!" The pace at which she was going in was unmatched, you were surprised a smoker had so much stamina. "Did you say more, pretty girl?" She hummed, waiting till you closed your eyes and nodded, "I think I know how I can help." There was an impish look in her eyes, as she stopped. You heard her shuffle around with something before you realised what it was.

Fuck. That had all just been a teaser, foreplay before the main event. Ellie had manoeuvred herself into the harness, glancing at you as you bit your lip, watching her silently, as she slid the plastic tip over your folds. Running the tip along the wetness of your core, you ground your hips against it, hoping Ellie would take the hint.

If she did, she made no acknowledgement of it, teasing you slowly as the tip became covered in your slick. Ellie just loved teasing, curious to see how long she could drag this out until you couldn't take it anymore. "Ellie, if you don't fuck me with that already, I'm leaving and never coming back," you groaned, your voice breathless as you tried to level out your breathing.

"Don't worry, darling, all in good time," she said, before finally slipping in the tip to your entrance. You couldn't bite down your moans anymore, feeling more full by the second as you stretched around the object. "Oh-," you gasped out, barely able to speak, this is what Ellie had wanted all along, you around her in this way as she grinded her hips into yours.

"Like that, baby?" she cooed, caressing your thighs, you nodded, "Yeah? Is this what you wanted?" "Mhm-my god," you moaned, finally feeling relief as the object dipped in and out, hitting you where you craved, filthy sounds left both of your lips. "No god here, just me," she smirked, with an air of cockiness, as she grabbed your hips, locking them into place as she went deeper inside you, relishing in the delicious sounds erupting from your lips.

"Ellie, feels so- so good," you nuzzled your face into your arms, feeling your eyes roll over to the back of your head, conscious about what you looked like, you hid. But Ellie seems to like it when you're confident, not shy.

Grabbing your arms and ripping them away from your face, she thrust into you as she held your arms over your head, keeping you in place, all exposed for her. She loved the filthy expression on your face, lips in the shape of an 'o', brows furrowed and eyes rolling.  "Who knew?" she teased, "That you were just a dirty little girl just waiting for me to fuck you," she loved the way her words had an impact on you, feeling high off your reactions.

"Please," you were reduced to whimpers and moans, the air felt obscene. Ellie suddenly grabbed your hips, flipping you over so you were on your stomach, she delved her hips into yours and the new position left you seeing stars. Her hand grabbed your hair, and you raised your hips, arching your back and rocking your hips with hers. The auburn-haired girl rubbed her palm softly on your ass before smacking her hand down with force, you yelped, not expecting the sudden hit and Ellie almost got scared until she noticed you settle into yourself, moaning louder.

"Fuck, doll, you're so hot like this," Ellie breathed, smacking her hand down on your cheek again, this time there was the red mark of her digits imprinted into your skin, it was devilish how much that riled Ellie on, losing control over her mouth as the obscene words escaped her lips. "Look at you," she scoffed, smirking, "So perfect, just made for this cock," At her crude words, you cried out, almost feeling overwhelmed by all the sensations you were experiencing, that didn't stop Ellie, though.

"I bet no man has ever fucked you like this, huh?" Her hips thrust into you, slower this time but deeper, you were already close, she didn't have to do much, taking long pauses before entering you again. Her fingers moved down to your clit, rubbing the bud to enhance your orgasm, as she leaned over your ear, your hair still bunched into her hand, which was handy as it allowed her to bring your head closer to her own. "Answer me, doll,"

"No, Ellie-" you struggled out, "No one, ju-just you," You were delirious, evidently having lost your grasp on yourself as your body shook, you were so close. "That's what I thought," she whispered into your ear, dropping your head back into the couch, fucking you relentlessly.

Her fingers on your clit exacerbated your orgasm, as you let out a final "Fuck!" as your body rode out the high, twitching in Ellie's arms. "Fuck..." you whispered again, as you rested your head on your crossed arms, taking deep breaths as you slowly came back to reality. Ellie slipped herself out of you, rubbing circles into your thighs as she placed sweet kisses on your spine.

"You are... wow." she hummed, you were better than she ever expected. At a loss for words she decided to wrap her arms around you, you still lay on the couch, catching your bearings as you felt her strong arms cover your body. "I could say the same for you," You giggled, covering your face, "Come on now, still shy?" Ellie chuckled, "What we gonna do about this, then?"

"It's your fault, you're just so.." "So what?" She continued, her fingers rubbing against your skin. She was so different now, all affectionate when she had been a lust demon just seconds earlier. You two clearly had a lot to talk about. "Irresistible." "I'll take that,"

"I think I'll come down to your house at 3 am again,"  "I'd like that."

[bloggingboutburgers]

First of, I'm a big fan of your work. I love your comics and art and was happy to hear about the engagement 😁

As for my question, I love writing stories and creating OCs/characters. In your recent comic you called out that the only ace/aro rep always seems to be "the creator said so on Twitter" (a problem with a lot of rep. in media).

So I was curious, if I wanted to create an aroace character (and write a story with them), how could I naturally show them being aroace? Do you perhaps have any idea?

Thank you so much for the kind words!^^

Arguably my complaints are ironic because I myself haven't done proper aroace rep in my own fiction thus far – though I guess I'm compensating for that with my current comics, haha 🙈 But also, I've said it before and I'll say it again cus I'm annoying like that – Bojack Horseman did it, in my opinion, so that gives the rest of the media less excuses I guess.

So, again these are my personal views, and they're possibly demanding, but this would be my checklist for ideal aroace rep:

The aro/ace character needs to... BE a character. Actually have arcs, that matter within the story. Whether they're about being asexual or not doesn't really matter as long as THEY matter as a character.

...Ngl I feel they need to matter BEFORE they're revealed as aro/ace too, and obviously after. If they don't, they'll just feel like a placeholder who's just there to tick a box to me.

The fact that they're aro/ace needs to be addressed and not pushed under the rug or left up to interpretation. Leaving things up to interpretation will have so many people interpret them as allo for sure (just like in real life). And conversely, saying they're aro/ace may spark some curious questions and possibly awkward conversations (just like in real life). (...Again tbh Bojack Horseman was great at doing it naturally. The confusion from the ace character themself, the ace character's friend assuming they're gay because yeah that always happens, the MC having a friendly yet clueless "haha you're lucky that'd save me so many problems if I didn't have sexual attraction"... I could go on.)

By that I also mean... Actually NAMING the orientation at some point. If it's not named people who consume the media and don't know such an orientation exists will be none the wiser. (I'm guilty of that myself tbh. In one of my webcomics I had an alloaro character but never had the orientation mentioned within the story, I left it at showing he has sex and him having a conversation with his family explaining he doesn't have a favorite person because he just can't, but I feel like that's not enough, and I've been feeling a bit bad about it.) A good way of bringing that up fairly naturally would be to have the character figure out their orientation within the story, as a way to have the audience learn alongside them; but it could also be played for drama, which I don't think I've ever seen and would like to dabble with myself at some point – like, imagine you have a friend you hold dear who's key to your personal development and suddenly you find out they see you as sex / romance prospects and not as a friend like YOU do? That'd be crushing but that could definitely make for a good conflict. I should try writing that. I'm rambling anyway. Bleh.

Another thing that, to me, is key to the aro/ace experience is that the character may have some moments of questioning their place in the world. Our world is obsessed with sex and romance and fiction exacerbates that to the point where some characters barely even exist if they don't have romance. This could range from "Do I NEED to even identify myself as something" (again, Bojack Horseman did that great) to "Friendship is the most important relationship to me but not to my friends, what if they all abandon me once they find the one person they consider 'more important'". I dunno. I feel like there could be some interesting storylines there. I definitely would love to dabble into that myself a bit more, though I lack the time and talent – those concepts and the lack of things that are done with it live in my head rent-free.

...Actually I feel it could be good to show aro/ace characters as full of heart (if it fits their personality), having their own feelings and emotions outside of the usual romance spectrum, to show that they're just as human and compelling as the other characters. (...AGAIN Bojack Horseman did that great imo, I feel bad that I'm only ever quoting that show but that's still the best example I can ever think of.) Like – betrayal, loneliness, grief, kinship, literally ANY other form of love than romantic love... We feel all of those too, and those deserve to be addressed in stories just as much (if not more) than the pining or simping that's kinda everywhere.

Oh yeah and speaking of being human... Yeah, human. We need more human aro/ace characters. Making it so that only the aliens/gods/demons/robots/whatever are ever allowed to be aro/ace only serves to dehumanize these orientations.

...IIIII think that's it. I might be forgetting some things I'd wanna add on later but I think that covers everything that would make for ideal rep in my own opinion

[gothicbarbie]

MY TOP 15 BL SERIES OF 2021

I did one of these for 2022, so figured I should do one for 2021, 2020 and then one for the shows before that. I started watching Bls seriously at the start of 2021, and its been such a fun journey. These lists are probably more so for me than anything else but maybe someone will find them helpful when trying to decide which ones to check out... let me know what your favs are!

1. We Best Love [Taiwan] - To date, my favorite BL series thus far. IMO it really has everything. Great premise and storyline, great acting and dialogue, and amazing chemistry between the main two, plus decent enough intimate scenes and kisses. It really ticks all the boxes for me. Plus, I love a good rivals to lovers storyline and samyu are pretty darn sweet.

2. Utsukushii Kare [Japan] - This one is a bit messy and there are definitely some problematic elements, but gosh, it's so entertaining. From start to finish I was hooked into the storyline and the relationship betwene the main two. And I think it was a well-rounded story with a good ending, so it left me pretty satisfied. For a Japan series too, it had a nice kising scene in the finale.

3. Light on Me [Korea] - Adore this series, and finally we get a longer Korean BL. The main characters were adorable, and the show was light enough and funny but had some good drama as well. Not the best kissing scenes ever but the main two's chemistry made up for it imo. Very sweet series.

4. To My Star [Korea] - This one took a few watches to grow on me but in hindsight its one of the better BL's out there (lets not talk about season 2)... the storyline was fun and it was one of the first Korean BL's that I watched, so it was a good one to start on! Korea goes unmatched for me with their BL's.

5. Kieta Hatsukoi [Japan] - Not a lot to say about this one tbh, I would have to rewatch to really give some better insight but I remember really enjoying this one. Japan BL's can tend to be a bit dramatic and sometimes a bit dark, but this one was so light and fluffy. It was a nice change of pace.

6. Don't Say No [Thai] - Okay, storyline wise, this BL kind of dragged for me. I didn't find the premise overly interesting. HOWEVER, Jafirst and their chemistry really made up for it. It's obvious how comfortable they are and their kissing scenes were one of the best scenes from this year. (We won't bring up THAT scene with FIAT in episode 2 (or was it 1?) because I lost my brain there.) But yeah, we'll just say this series was very enjoyable haha.

7. HiStory 4 [Taiwan] - This was a solid season. Not the best the series has ever done but I love that each season is different. The brothers storyline was a hot frickin mess but the main pairing was cute. Overall, I just found it very enjoyable.

8. Peach of Time [Korean] - Is this Korean or Thai? Not really sure, but it was a cute season that felt like a bit of both worlds. Not the most amazing chemstry or storyline of all time but it was sweet and interesting to watch. It had a certain charm to it.

9. You Make Me Dance [Korean] - It's hard to find a korean bl I dislike. And while this one is not that memorable compared to some others, it was still a nice watch.

10. Tale of a Thousand Stars [Thai] - People go crazy for earth+mix... they aren't really my cup of tea. Nothing against them, they are sweet, I just dont go crazy for them. The setting wasn't really my thing either but I did like the energy between the characters and all their cute moments and scenes, so it kept me entertained. Wished they had a better last kiss though.

11. Lovely Writer [Thai] - Found parts of this boring and the storyline didn't really hold my interest all that much but I did enjoy the scenes between the couples. I wish the side "pairing" had gotten more focus cuz that kiss on the street was great! But it was nice.

12. I Promised You the Moon/I Told Sunset About You part 2 [Thai] - Part 2 was nothing compared to season 1 at all. Season 1 imo was masterpeice and season 2 was just like a typical bl series imo. I hate cheating storylines so this series made me pretty mad haha but it wasn't UNWATCHABLE and I still liked the chemistry between the main 2.

13. Nobleman Ryu's Wedding [Korean] - The time setting wasn't really for me, but it was a cute and fun series. Not much else to say!

14. Fish Upon the Sky [Thai] - TBH I don't remember a WHOLE lot from this series and am planning to rewatch for pondphuwin, but I do remember enjoying it.

15. The Tasty Florida [Korean] - Again, can't go wrong with SK for me. But, compared to the other Korean series, this one wasn't AS good. Still enjoyable.

Honorable mentions: (Won't go into detail on these, but overall I found all of them nice and pleasant to watch, but they didn't grab me in the same way as some other series.

BxJ Series - (still have yet to see it but I did enjoy season 1), Bad Buddy - (watched a reactor watch this so technically couldn't add it to my list, but will try to watch it eventually), Be Loved in House I Do, Tinted With You, My Sweet Dear, The Man Who Defies the World of BL, The Novelist, Behind Cut, Stuck on You

Also check out my lists from other years! https://gothicbarbie.tumblr.com/post/705678223200174080/my-top-bls-of-2019-and-earlier https://gothicbarbie.tumblr.com/post/705674738528354304/my-top-15-bls-of-2020 https://gothicbarbie.tumblr.com/post/705139242020618240/my-top-20-bl-series-of-2022

[swirlysmile]

hello! can i ask for hangman x reader where she plays with his hair? or anything fluffy with him❤

YES ANON 🫡 i get so many hangman requests and tbh i’m honored

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warnings: poor knowledge of the way the navy works, mostly fluff save for some innuendos, the playing with hair part is relatively short, i put way too much backstory into this

Homecoming

Housing was okay. Never as good as your own space, but what more could Lieutenant Jake ‘Hangman’ Seresin ask for? He chose this path, and he knew the psychological strain he would endure along the way. 

When he finally did get to come home though, he appreciated every minute of it.

Right now, Hangman’s head is spinning with anticipation, but maybe it was just because of the take off. It’s his last day before he gets to go home, and he can’t be more excited. 

The carrier is beginning to get stuffier, and he doesn’t know how that’s possible. 

They’re already stuffy enough- winding, windowless halls and all. The narrowness of the walls doesn’t help, yet somehow, they just get worse as the months go by and the homesickness gets even more unbearable. 

He’s flying as usual, without a thought in his head, as some of his higher ups say. When Jake lands the plane, he’s got adrenaline surging through his veins. He makes his way down to the common room, smiling at the sight of the dingy door. He greets some of his fellow pilots, all of them chatting about who they’re waiting for at home.

Jake’s always been a ‘gloat about how his relationship is better than everyone else’ type, so he can’t help but share some of his favorite stories about you with them. It just riles the pilots up more.

When it’s all said and done, he can’t be happier to go sleep on the glorified gymnastics mats that the Navy call beds. He settles into the springy “bed” and can hardly sleep. Letters and facetime don’t make up for the distance. 

You’re sitting at home with a friend, twisting the ring on your finger while she talks about her latest hook-up. Really though, every word is going in one ear and out the other. She’s only over here to be a distraction, which sounds rude but is true. She’s a much better distraction than the ticking of the clock you’d been watching the past couple hours.

Really, you’re just waiting until it’s an acceptable time to go to sleep and kick her out, but all this waiting is making you increasingly antsy. 

“Takeout and a movie?” She requests, snapping you out of the spiral of thoughts you’re going through in your head. You agree, having eaten very little, and two hours would be an amazing amount of time, just to get you to ten. Then it’s over.

Then, he comes home. 

Your friend is calling in takeout while you’re drifting through a huge box of DVDs,  over half of which are Jake’s. Your collection had been mixed the moment you moved in. 

You set a couple of options on the coffee table in front of your friend, she’s still on the phone but she points to one of the DVDs with a wink.

A personal favorite of Jake’s, and over time it had become yours too. 

You push it into the old DVD player, waiting for it to read the DVD. 

“What did you get?” 

“Chinese.” 

“A classic,” you say, and she nods in agreement. 

Really, you didn't expect it to go on for this long. It’s well past twelve, and she begrudgingly leaves once you mention the time you have to be up tomorrow. A white lie, but she doesn’t have to know that. She had worked well as a distraction, because now you were ready to collapse in the comfortable, but painstakingly empty, bed. 

When Jake wakes up, he almost shouts in excitement. It takes everything in him to keep his mouth shut. It’s early, but the carrier is docked and his flight is booked. When he’s dismissed, he is grinning from ear to ear. 

He hates luggage. It’s up there on his “Top 10 Least Favorite Things”, especially when he has to haul it from security to a far away gate, but he knows it will be worth it. 

You get up a little (lot) later than Hangman does, and he’s barely boarding his flight. It’s only a two hour flight, luckily, so you’ll have little time to waste thanks to the long drive to the airport. 

You settle for stopping at a local coffee shop to get some coffee and breakfast as a good enough way to spend your time. 

Jake’s stomach is doing flips, and he’s not sure if it’s due to takeoff or the excitement of getting to see you. It had been a long 8 months, horribly long. 

You’re standing around the airport waiting for him. You decided to forgo one of those cute- but cheesy- signs. You had enough of making those. 

As soon as the plane lands, he’s standing up and grabbing his carry-on, stretching his legs a little. They start clearing the first few rows of the plane to exit, and he’s never felt luckier to be there. 

The reunion is just as grand as he had expected, and he can only hope the ‘after-party’ doesn’t disappoint.

Your arms are wrapped around him, a quick peck to his lips and a whole lot of “I missed you”‘s. 

“I haven’t seen you in months and all I get is that kiss?” Jake says, he’s just teasing though.

After a few minutes, you’re ready to wrap it up and spend some quality time with your lover, so you take his hand and lead him to where you parked the car. It’s a bit of a walk, but not too bad considering the amount of cars in the lot. 

He has a firm grasp on your hand the whole drive home, and the gesture doesn’t go unnoticed. You’ve missed each other, and the physical intimacy. 

That’s why, when you get home, you don’t hesitate to plop down on the nice couches that you and Jake had spent much too long arguing about. A fond memory, before you finally settled. 

He’s got his head in your lap and he’s smiling up at you and you think ‘god, i missed this’ because how could you not? 

Your hands are running through his hair, and he hates it, but loves it at the same time. 

Jake prides himself on his pretty-boy looks, his hair isn’t the exception. It’s always perfectly styled, save for three situations. 

You’ve had a little fun, he’s showered, or he’s collapsed in your arms.  

He likes the feeling of you massaging his scalp, but only after he’s gone out is he able to relax. Jake's perfect hair is now a little tousled, his eyes are closed and his grin is ever-present.

He’s urging you to get to the main event, and who are you to deny your lover? 

[fizzingwizard]

a brief complaint? observation? complervation? obserplaint

I don't watch Riverdale, but this is tumblr and it was impossible to not hear about the final season hijinks, namely the polycule. alright thats cool but i couldnt help side-eyeing how it's really the boys get to sleep with all the girls, and the girls get to sleep with each other as well as the boys... but the boys aren't physically interested in each other. recently i read a quote from one of the show creators where they said Archie/Jughead would have been "too hot" which, lol, but Betty/Veronica isn't?? but anyway was certainly a joke, as the rest was about not forcing something to happen for the sake of representation.

individually all of that is fine, and i hate to nitpick but... I can't help it. I really can't. You tick all the boxes, not for wonderful lgbtqia couples, but for a male fantasy: you can date more than one girl you find hot and they're also bi and into each other. Not part of the typical fantasy are having to share the girls with another guy, and not actually watching the girls at it yourself. But that doesn't matter, because the fantasy isn't for Archie and Jughead, it's for the viewers. Who get to see everything.

Just a few years ago we X-men fans were treated to the great Wolverine/Jean Grey/Cyclops threesome. This was the culmination of literally decades of pining, envy, and truly epic ship wars. At first I was like, wow, really?? Even Cyke and Wolvie getting it on with each other? But that wasn't it - all three of them weren't together - Cyke and Wolvie just each got a piece of Jean and had to live with each other also having a piece of her. It was the sharing of the woman in the relationship which was seen as so amazing and "progressive." My bf was like "lucky Jean!" Meanwhile my reaction was, holy shit, do not want.

If I really believed this threesome came about because it's what Jean wants, that'd be one thing - and yes I'm aware Jean is fictional and can want whatever the writers want. But not even superhero comics are written in a vacuum. All I could see in my head was the writers throwing Jean to the dogs like a piece of meat. "You both want her? You can both have her!" I didn't, and don't see how Jean mattered in any way except that both Scott and Logan want her. And tbh, if they had done the same thing, but also made Jean in love with Ororo, I would still feel the same way: that the Ororo bit was shoehorned in to make people like me whine less about the curious lack of balance here. Lucky Jean, indeed.

So there's two situations which are canonical in their respective universes. It's kind of stunning to me. We lept right past "gay male representation" to "male fantasy re-spun as gay representation." The guys get the girl. The girls make out with each other. The guys still get to be like "no homo, bro," somehow. And this is like, so progressive. What's progressive about it?? Men have been watching lesbian porn since forever. My brother once told me he didn't believe women who said they were bi were really bi because he assumed they were lying to impress men with their bi-ness. Then there's the "sharing with another man" thing which I guess is such an impressive feat. Isn't that just a form of voyeurism though. Don't lots of people get off just on knowing their partner is wanted by others? I'm not seeing the sexual liberation here. I just see girls being sexy in ways men have always wanted them to be, and the men just kinda existing.

Some people insist the greater acceptance of women-loving-women on screen means women in general have far more sexual freedom than men. But being free because people think you're non-sexual or that your sexuality is for them, thus controllable, isn't freedom. There's a reason people believe Queen Victoria thought it was impossible to be a lesbian. She didn't actually. But people were happy to think she did, because they secretly didn't understand how it was possible for two women who lack the right "equipment" lol. That was culture talking. Furthermore, half of what allowed women to sneak around having fun lesbian times with each other was homophobia itself. Because women (in our strict, transphobic gender binary definition) don't have dicks. In many societies around the world, it was historically okay for men to have sex with other men as long as they were the "penetrating" partner. The one in the "male" role. To be in the "female" role was degrading. (There were also class distinctions that determined which role someone would be, depending on the culture.)

It was about pride and dominance. (This stood out to me in the comments on the Archie polycule article: fans [whoops it was the writer of the article!] were worried about how Archie and Jughead's actors would have felt about having to do homosexual scenes with each other. But they didn't express any concern at all for the possibility that Betty and Veronica's actresses may have not liked it.) And for some reason, it still is today. You can have TV lesbians, not because you're so progressive and pro-women loving women, but because lesbians are hot. But TV gays are another matter. They're not hot, at least if what you're trying to construct isn't queer representation, but a male fantasy. It's embarrassing to admit you, a man, are attracted to your male friend, let alone that you have soft feelings toward him. Honestly, even the lesbian relationships are often reduced to their sexual aspect and free of any solid foundation for why these two women picked each other. Which, I mean, it's all good to have fun for fun's sake as long as everything is safe sane and consensual. But it is rather playing in to the stereotype that homosexuals are sex-obsessed, and will wind up in socially-acceptable, straight relationships when they decide they want to have families and contribute to society.

I realize I've only used two examples here, Riverdale and X-men. Which don't really have much in common (although also more than you might think, haha). One reason why I fixed on them is that they're both media with a history. They've been around forever. They have fans across ideological and political spectra. We've seen a lot more positive queer relationships in movies and TV over the past fifteen or twenty years, including gay male relationships, and that's awesome. But by and large it stayed away from the most popular characters in these long-lasting brands. Wolverine has an alternate universe self who is gay and in a relationship with Hercules. It is hairy and bold, I guess. But not as bold as Wolverine being gay. And I'm not saying he has to be. I agree that queer relationships shouldn't be forced. I am saying I think it's curious that Wolverine can't be gay, but he can be in a threesome where he and Scott both get what they want, Jean, and the male fans don't need to feel uncomfortable, and can tell their girlfriends that Jean is so lucky. And Riverdale, like I said I'm not a fan, I never watched it, but my impression is that it was pretty weird and strange in a lot of ways... weird and strange enough to let its female characters be in love with each other as well as the boys... but not weird enough for the boys to do the same? I do think that if these weren't media with such a long history, things would be different. But no one wanted to upset the "true fans." And what makes a true fan is not wanting male characters to be gay. Female characters, sure, that's hot! But if you're waggling your brow at the male ones you must be just into it for the hot guys and incapable of fully appreciating the series. Lol. Double standard what?

This is more or less my struggle with poly relationships in media. It's not that I don't think they should be there. I just think that all the ones I've seen have been cop-outs on the writer's part, either because they don't want to disappoint fans by picking one ship to be end game or because they want the media fuss a poly relationship will make. While, ultimately, the poly relationships in question are just the sort that anyone who's used the internet in the past two decades has seen in porn ads way more times than we wanted to. Where is the polycule where the guys are dating the girls, but also dating each other, and the girls aren't interested in each other sexually at all? I can tell you where to find it: fanfiction! On a popular TV show though? You know, a place where men are more likely to see it? Hmm. Maybe tomorrow...

[iamacolor]

I might not be the only one to think this but I believe this show (eaw) would have been so much better if it had a second season or at least a few more episodes than what we'll end up with. If the writer(s) had more time to develop certain arcs or relationships, some parts of the show would make a lot more sense. I didn't get this sudden minwoo redemption arc. Where did it come from? What bothered me the most was nothing led to it. No clues, hints, nothing! It just kinda appeared out of nowhere. Plus, Minwoo should have remained a bad guy. I don't buy his sudden change :/ And tbh, I don't understand why so many writers (this goes for any show, not only dramas) want to give their villains backstories. Every once in a while, it doesn't hurt to have a character that's just mean, no explanation needed. I was disappointed when I saw that happen because the beginning of the show was so promising. Another thing that's been bothering me for quite some time now is Tae Su Mi's character and her arc (I have no better word sorry). Wish we had more time to dive deep into her world. When we had the flashbacks to her pregnancy/uni days, it was nice. But then, we get nothing. How are we supposed to be interested in her story/relationship with Youngwoo when we get crumbs? When she went to visit Youngwoo's father with that US job offer, I was curious. I wanted to see if the father would push his daughter to go to the US or if he would be too torn to do so. Instead, we get one question and then it gets swept under the rug. These last few episodes were kind of meh and I'm disappointed :(

hello anon! yes it's become clear that there is no way to resolve everything without rushing over things and that it's going to be done hastily and that it's already quite messy with the way the writer dragged some stuffs, especially the tae sumi plot which as of now is barely a plot we only got youngwoo telling her she was her daughter and tae sumi going to see her father but on youngwoo's side nothing new has happened and we've never even seen her think about it or talk about it to geurami or anything like that and as you pointed out even her father mentioned nothing - so if you stick to youngwoo's point of view tae sumi's story is a thing of the past and it has no consequences on her life which is insane since it's the plot with the highest stakes and ye sit'll come back next week but it should've been woven into the story more - and even if minwoo has a "deal" with tae sumi nothing significant has come off of it so we could just erase the tae sumi plot and it'd be basically the same show which is such an odd writing choice??). but at this point I feel like it's not so much that the show needs to be longer it's that the writer couldn't really handle all of her own elements and maybe because it's her first drama (and @ has made several posts over the last couple of weeks pointing out how probably because the writer is more used to writing movies rather than a story as long as a 16 episodes drama requires she struggles with filling her story all the way and pacing her character's actions and notably the balance between minwoo's vilain acts and tae sumi's impact) she's still following a fairly typical kdrama type of story and shape of plots etc but this doesn't really fit all the new narrative and directing choices that come with having a protagonist like youngwoo and it feels a bit like falling back on something comfortable that you know the audience already knows but that won't be seen as something to criticise ( I feel like she's just ticking boxes that I don't like and that make things worse but I'm not sure how a korean audience reacts to these types of plots and twists but I'm guessing they're just used to it and it's just how the genre goes). this is something that the producers, the writer, the team behind the show should've worked through differently and planned better since the beginning of the show so that we didn't need to wait until the last week for all of this to come out and so that I wouldn't have genuinely forgotten about the journalist investigating tae sumi or that the ceo was plotting against her until they showed them to us in the latest episode after not mentioning it for so long...

as for minwoo's "redemption" it doesn't even feel like a redemption to me it's just that he's suddenly nice to sooyeon and that he somehow doesn't mind that junho's seeing youngwoo (the fact that we're now seeing minwoo understand the pressure junho put on youngwoo better than junho himself... who thought this through) but other than that??? the scene of him raising volume on the TV when they spoke about tae sumi and youngwoo walked past just to get a reaction put of her clearly showed he has not given up on that so?? if they wanted him to have a roper redemption arc they should've started earlier or made him less of a "vilain" so that we wouldn't mind him so much or as you've said just let him be as he was lol. tbh if he wants to be nicer to some people ok maybe I don't need an explanation for that but you can't tell me sooyeon could genuinely like him just because of that

I didn't mind all of that too much until this week because then they messed up with junho and youngwoo in a way that just felt wrong based on what they built their relationship on and what we knew of them and because most of us were focused on the romance (because as we pointed out aside from the cases they handle each episode that was the only real continuous story lol) now all the flaws are becoming more obvious (and it's not too say it hasn't been a good show, it's just less innovative, balanced and well-planned that the first few weeks led us to believe)

[oh-yes-i-did-not]

Why can't dogs just walk past me?

I just realized I never made a proper Tumblr post about this, just one on Facebook, so my updates about random poochies might be confusing. So here is my recent dog problem that doesn't seem to make much sense.

It started about 2-3 months ago, this thing where dogs just can't ignore me. They usually just want to smell me, or bark at me. But sometimes they also pull at their leash to get to me (while barking), which often seems to surprise their owners, when their 9 year old senior citizen suddenly does something unexpected.

I'm not entirely sure what to count as "aggression" but I don't count barking as it, but leash pulling I do? Is it? I haven't yet had growlers so I don't think the attention in general is aggression or cause for aggression, just attention. I don't make them wary or angry, just noticed.

Also, this has been ALL the dogs, since about February. There is no normal dog for me anymore, they all want to know me. And before this, I did just fine as a normal pedestrian, ignored by 99% dogs.

I'm not a dog person, but a cat person. And by this I mean, I like cats and dogs and all animals but I only know how to read cat body language. Dogs are more of a mystery to me. But it's never been a problem since I rent and can't even own a dog. So I've had cats. Or more precisely 2 cats. One lived to be 18 and the other is still kicking at 20 so... That is my experience. Also, I know enough about animals, that since my two were rescues with social issues, they ARE my only cats until they're both gone, no matter who needs a new home. I'm not that sentimental about animals, while also being the biggest softie, I guess.

Anyways, I'm not that familiar with dogs. But also, I'm not afraid of dogs, or uncomfortable around them. I like dogs, I just don't know what makes them tick, deep down. But I never mind meeting a dog and usually we get along fine.

AND for those thinking "well you yearn for a dog so you must initiate contact all the time!" No. I don't. While I like dogs, I'm not into unfamiliar dogs and petting every random animal that comes my way. I don't look and stare at dogs or pay any noticeable attention.

...well at least I didn't before. Now I kinda feel like I need to be aware of them at all times, if for nothing else, than to avoid an upset owner blowing up at me. But that is because of this issue, not the cause of it.

I have some veterinary professional friends but they're all cat specialists so all we have kinda deciphered that it is probably my smell, maybe. Something about it does it. It's not in my behaviour.

I haven't had any new medications recently, only things that have changed is that I've had to take ibuprofen multiple times per week lately, which is not good for my body and does cause negative reactions (stomach first but also liver in long term), and I have a new bodywash and lotion from Spain, that are not unscented. Mild, but not unscented.

Also, my upstairs neighbour has a new dog. It's an untrained and angry puppy (that should be taken away by animal wellfare agency tbh) and with the lack of insulation, my apartment basically shares the same air as the upstairs, so that is also an option, I guess? Even if it sounds odd.

Also, my cat, the one still left, does not live with me currently and I've last seen her in March. So it's not cat smell either. It's not her or her "shit box".

Anyways, this is my dog problem of recent times. If anyone has any ideas then I would love to hear it.

[knowlessman]

…idk, world heroes mission ig (bnha movie 3)? not clear on whether the Hawks minisode thing is before or after it so I guess I'll watch it after

"quirk doomsday…" k so they don't like quirks, they're like the non-bender faction in korra. Still kinda feels weird tbh when you got powered folks and non-powered folks and they make a faction that stands up for non-powered people and then make them unambiguously evil. Granted, I'm making assumptions because this group is ticking every box on the "evil cult aesthetic" checklist. -- "we, pure humans…" you, sir, are a vedalken. …uh, that is to say, blue. you are blue.

ho shit they got a death star? …oh, sewer gas or summat -- …a… mutagen thingy? no, it's boosting quirks… -- "you don't have a quirk, do you? and you didn't happen to randomly get murdered by the twenty-odd major disasters we just set off that demolished half the city. congrats, prolly half the people you know are dead but some of them had powers so it's fine"

"ohey, we don't have a hero from egypt yet" copies some clipart "there, now we do"

…WHAT??? HOW LONG HAS HE HAD THIS ALT SKIN? should I have got a few episodes in first? gawd, figuring out anime movie timing is flat-out impossible

ohey it's that guy from this movie that people like

dang, the animators are showing tf off with this chase stuff. the parkour's almost reminding me of mirror's edge 'XD -- pfft, then he just casually rail-grinds down a staircase bc I guess his quirk is being from a tony hawk game

why do I have the annoying feeling I should be recognizing this eyepatch gu - wait. spends ten years scrolling thru his own tumblr looking for his comments from the first movie okay eyepatch guy KIND OF sometimes has a similar face to the, I think, swordkil guy from the first movie, but the hair is not even close, nvm -- um. …shit what was even happening. marcellus wallace's soul, right. cept I think it was a jewelry store, so more like his pinkie ring?

ah k, so rody rhodepecker gets wallace's soul cuz he thought it was the gems he'd had before, so now rody's in the main plot and I guess eyepatch is dead and the chipmunks are gonna have fewer dolls to pick up -- (deku and rody fight over the case and it falls open) marcellus wallace's… tax returns?

"we gotta move somewhere safer. I know! THE TOP OF A MOVING TRAIN is the perfect place to set down this civilia - " okay fine, "suspect"

what kinda topsy-turvy world is this where midoriya gets on a country's most wanted list before God Explosion Murder? …I forget, Bakugo STILL never got hisself a hero name, right?

ah, so the local gov is all in the doomsday cult. …eyepatch seemed to think those papers were important, but deku found nothing of interest, why does everybody want marcellus wallace's tax returns? I guess it's got important inside cult info in code?

"he's going to klayd. bakugo, come on, we have another country we need you to endanger" -- you know you're important when they assign the stelfiest cops on the force to tail you. todoroki and bakugo better find a corner to walk around if they wanna lose these guys

not the sharpest rat on the street, this rody, huh. also, deku's a heavy sleeper apparently. had his hand all over that case and rody was able to just slide it away with no problem. -- you, sir, are an inuyasha villain

-- ("why did you protect me?") "saving people with a smile" is never gonna stop feeling like a brand slogan to me.

…okay, road trip montage ig. good stuff ig. -- "you have a quirk, right?" deku you were fucking born without a motherfucking quirk what the hell kind of a question is that. anyway clearly the farting bird is rody's quirk

(rody gets blasted off a cliff then ice jets show up and idfk stuff) wowee, dangit guys, you're makin me dizzy with the camera zipping all over the damn place -- under the blades bakugo UNDER THE FUCKING BLADES THAT HELI IS GONNA MAKE A SMOOTHIE OUTTA YOU HAVE YOU NEVER WATCHED AN INDIANA JONES MOVIE -- …well damn, Green Arrowette, dramatic enough?

aha, a sneakret compartment -- and obviously it's the puzzle toy from rody's childhood because cults are all about getting the kids involved -- bet the cult woulda loved it if rody had solved it way back when and fucking swallowed the data chip. …random question, where does nintendo get off putting an entire game in a choking hazard just because they can? irresponsible af

"I'm one of the scientists that the cult kidnapped yadda yadda yadda plot stuff final message" and. and they just. plugged this into a computer and hit play. with the speakers on. in a hotel lobby or wevertf this is. with civilians watching tv. FIVE. FEET. AWAY.

bakugo: "only an idiot would make a key without telling you where the door was! where's the place with no bombs… there! that's where their base is!" BULL. SHIT. BAKUGO. IS A HACKER. also bullshit because didn't the first bomb go off literally a hundred feet directly above their base? -- "I'm working on it, damn nerd!" - hackugo the hackerman who apparently is the only computer literate person in the room

okay these wobbly giggly sword-whip guys bakugo's fighting, them I kinda like tbh, designwise at least. …I guess because they just remind me of so many soul calibur characters at once 'XD

"they told me they'd stop the Otheon bomb if I give them the key" okay ten trillion percent he's faking this time, right? …right? -- ohhh, eddie soul. I musta been barely listening to… uh. um. eyepatch guy's audio log 'XD -- "my quirk is that silly pink bird with the mask that farted on you earlier" -- "and also dodging really good" - ohp, okay, not dodging good enough tho

HIS QUIRK IS THE FARTBIRD I WAS FUCKING JOKING. I mean like cool he has a ranger animal companion ig, hell, Minsc has kind of the same thing going for him and he ruined at least one Magic format with it

(bakugo finally won his match)(todoroki is still drowning) freeze the water dumbass, damn -- oh wouldja lookit that, he froze the water

"his quirk has a limit!" I mean, I guess. wobbuffet's only got so much hp. …I swear to god this guy was probably literally and actually and in fact based directly off of wobbuffet, it would explain everything about his visual design -- "you gave up on trying to get people to like you, heroes never give up" deku please just shut the fuck up and finish this fight, every single time you try to say something to somebody about their backstory, you just come off as an ignorant dickhead

"there's no explosion…" marvin martian: "where's the society-shattering kaboom?"

(the fartbird plugged the thing in, probably ages ago) go for the eyes, Boo! the one in texas goes off anyway because the power grid failed again and the disarm code didn't get transmitted to the bomb

oh goody, the not-corrupt police officers arrested the one that was. he was definitely the only bad apple in the bunch, yessiree

…ayup. movie movied. villain had paper-thin motive compared to all for one's easy-to-grasp god complex or the actual literal nightmare that is tomura's, but wever. and rody's fun.

the Hawks Soothe thing is five minutes, huh. -- I think bakugo listening to todoroki's "write 'people' on your hand then eat it" thing is the first hint of character development for bakugo I've seen in maybe this whole WHAT in the FUCK is THAT supposed to be

-- hawks just casually strolling up wearing the carpet from the Shining

jesus christ my guy, this is why they knew to put you in that hannibal mask

okay so this was literally just a prologue of them clowning around in the airport for a couple minutes and I shoulda watched it first, I had them in the right order in my notes. …dammit

anyway, on to s6 ig - wait no apparently there're two OVA bonus episode thingies for s5? huh, it's them playing baseball. lol shoji's got three bats in the cover image 'XD

[seyaryminamoto]

Sorry but can I ask for some examples of redemption arcs you deem better than Zuko's? I am not asking this contentiously, I'm legit curious as I'd like to expand y reference pool for the concept.

Tbh I should have braced myself better for this question one day xD I've said that line enough times in the past that clearly it was going to bite me in the ass if I didn't start compiling my list, and here we go, you caught me without a proper list in hand! Hence why it's taken me a while to answer xD

Anyway, I'm going to list off the characters I can think of who fulfill my personal preferences in terms of redemption arcs. Not every character in the list will sit well with everyone, as I know a lot of people have a knack for holding characters' wrongdoings against them forever and ever and for some of the audience, seeing any changes doesn't mean the characters have answered for their mistakes in full, and so on and so forth. I will try to point out a few faults in the ones who do have certain things they still should answer for even if the redemption arc works for me, but in general, the characters listed below have ticked these three specific boxes in order to be featured here at all. These three boxes are:

Faced genuine consequences for their past mistakes

Unlearned toxic behaviors, objectively (as in, didn't repeat said toxic behaviors once the bulk of their growth and journey was done)

Did not feel entitled to rewards of any kind (be it others' trust, acceptance, love or approval, let alone more ambitious rewards than that) solely on the basis that they had a change of heart.

So! With that in mind, let's get into it:

1. Aeryn Sun - Farscape

The first name that always comes to my mind whenever someone says "better redemption arc than Zuko" ever since I watched Farscape is Aeryn Sun. I'm going to be blunt: Aeryn's arc is everything Zuko fans have deluded themselves into believing Zuko's arc is. It seriously is. She's a soldier brought up in a very toxic culture that promotes violence and emotionally represses its people. On the very first episode, that culture turns its back on her, effectively betraying her while pretending SHE is the betrayer, leaving her with no choice but to join the rogue band of protagonists, a group of prisoners of war that her culture persecuted and that are very pissed at her for belonging to said culture, even though they reluctantly accept her among them because they don't really have much choice at the time.

Over the course of a single season, Aeryn's arc sees her clashing with everyone on that ship in various ways, bonding with people who have very good reasons to hate her, saving their lives just as they save hers because, whether they like each other or not, they're stuck in this mess of a space adventure together. Her redemption arc is so smooth and gradual that when she's facing mortal danger and one of the prisoners (the one who hated her the most, initially) is sitting by her potential deathbed, keeping her company when she looks like she's at her last moments, you actually find it absolutely moving and beautiful that these characters could reach such a point of mutual respect and understanding over the course of a SINGLE SEASON, and that growth process was believable for all the characters involved. Aeryn's journey is incredible, honestly. That her personality is closer to Azula's than Zuko's also helps in showing a very nice glimpse of what an Azula redemption could look like, if, you know, Azula was a space warrior xD

So, how does Aeryn fulfill the three points I bring up? The first one has a whole episode dedicated to it: at one point, the show uncovers flashbacks from Aeryn's past before she gets stuck with the crazy space gang, flashbacks that reveal she had a hand in horrible events that took place on that very ship long ago. She participated in a horrific, inhumane practice that one of her first friends on board, the Pilot, is still reeling and recovering from: when Pilot realizes she was involved in said horrible thing, he lashes out very violently at her. Even though Aeryn has already learned better and changed, she faces consequences for her horrible actions in the past, actions she now deeply regrets and that she does her best to make amends for, openly, without shirking off her responsibility in those actions to someone else. She faces her wrongdoings and acknowledges them, ready to face any punishment the wronged party feels is necessary because she understands this is not about how much she changed, but about how much someone was hurt by her choices and actions in the past. It's a goddamn refreshing thing to see, and this is just one example of her facing consequences for her past, the events of ONE episode. She spends most of the first season facing said consequences and learning from it all, every step of the way.

Unlearning bad behaviors is literally what her whole arc is cemented on: you can't look at Aeryn in the last two seasons and compare her with the Aeryn in the first one and conclude that she's still the same person. She outright has a subplot in a space station helmed by her former culture and people where Aeryn gets to see just how much she has changed when someone else she knew in her past acts pretty dreadfully towards her, spitefully, as a rejection for who she has become. The other character then serves as a mirror where you get to see who Aeryn used to be and how different she is now. She goes from the stern, stoic, heartless warrior to someone who's guided by her heart instead, whose expertise and strength goes into helping those she cares about, into protecting lives rather than destroying them. Her arc, ultimately, is about helping her find her humanity and realizing that this humanity inside her is valuable. That it makes her BETTER, no matter how much heartache she endures along the way.

Lastly, she never acted like her growth and change had earned her the friendship or the trust or the faith of any of her friends. She never behaved with any sort of entitlement to rewards of any kind for who she had become: her journey was a reward in itself, because she experienced so much stuff she NEVER imagined possible and she was profoundly grateful for it. That she was rewarded in some ways is evident, it's absolutely fine... but she wasn't fishing for rewards. She wasn't waiting for someone to put a medal on her lapel. That was never her attitude, because in fact that's one of the things she unlearned from her culture:

"What did you imagine, for your life?" "Service. Promotion. Retirement. Death."

That's an actual exchange between her and another character: the beauty of the dialogue is in the fact that all of this is what she has tossed away because she no longer wants/needs any of this after the journey she's been on. Her priorities have changed completely and she has accepted that change with open arms, becoming an incredible, admirable person in the process.

So... honestly, Aeryn is in the absolute top redemption arcs in the history of television for me. I'm honestly putting her as my #1 here because I can't think of anything better. I won't pretend my opinion is absolute because it's not... but out of everything I've watched, I can seriously say hers is such a good redemption arc that even when the writing started to get really weird in this show (namely in the final season), her growth remained crystallized as something so great that nothing they could dare do would dampen it. She's the gold standard for me, and unfortunately that means most things will fall short next to her. Zuko, sadly for him, absolutely does. If his character arc were remotely as impressive as Aeryn's was, I'd probably not be a Zuko fan anyway because, like I always say, his character has certain things that just don't do it for me. But I'd be an advocate of his writing, of his growth, of his progress and change: I'm not, and once I saw Aeryn's character arc, it became increasingly easy to see exactly why. Hers is seriously what redemption arcs should be modeled after... and Zuko's arc had the potential to be this good. Unfortunately for him, his writing doesn't come anywhere close to Aeryn's growth and redemption arc.

2. Thor - MCU, up to Thor: The Dark World EXCLUSIVELY

I am at war with the MCU. Everyone knows this. I've had such a bad falling out with it that I need to be pushed into watching any new content they release and I don't even want to watch most of it. But when the MCU was starting out... oh, when the MCU was starting out...

Thor's redemption arc is simple. It's very, very simple. It gets to the point in the space of a single movie. There's, surprisingly, a lot of growth within that single movie (growth that, to my absolute bitterness, the whole community of movie-goers decided to sleep on and still don't care to acknowledge). This guy goes from the reckless fool that wants to rush into battle mindlessly because someone injured his ego, to the guy who will readily sacrifice his powerless body in order to save those he cares about: he will also sacrifice his thus-far only way to meet the woman he loves in order to save the world. It's the quintessential "selfish to selfless" arc and, because of its simplicity, it works.

How does it fulfill my requirements? Thor's banishment from Asgard is the obvious consequence to his stupidity from the start of his first movie. But that's not even close to the entirety of the consequences: he is no longer worthy of wielding his hammer once he finally finds it again. His arrogance, his belief that he had everything under control, gets beaten out of him when he finds that the power he always would fall back on is no longer his for the taking. Thus, he hits a low point that goes even lower when Loki tells him that Odin is dead and that he's still not allowed to come home: Thor doesn't throw a tantrum demanding to be made king instead of Loki in this scene. He's so lost and so broken that he eats up Loki's lies and accepts his condemnation as something he has earned. This gets so overlooked by everyone, whether fandom or even the more recent MCU writers, that it's embarrassing. Only then, when he's questioning who he is and what he'll do with his life now, only when he gets his chances to bond with Jane properly, to listen to her wisdom and knowledge (as well as Selvig's) does Thor begin to be worthy again. He's ready for a more humble life, for the best life he can try to lead in Midgard, and there's even details that got deleted from the movie (to my utter outrage) such as him visiting the coffee shop where he broke the mug to replace the one he broke. Like... it's so blunt and direct and STILL so overlooked??? But it's PRECISELY what a redemption arc is supposed to look like! :'D

All this is also part of the unlearning of his behaviors: when he realizes he's no longer worthy of his alleged destiny, Thor starts to change. He stops taking his privileges for granted, stops believing he's entitled to anything (hence, point #3), and fully changes into a perfectly decent guy who will stand up against a huge Destroyer to plead with his brother not to hurt innocents anymore. In the bravery of his diplomatic attempt to reason with Loki, Thor proves he has changed. He makes it clear he is no longer jumping into violence mode immediately. He doesn't want to fight Loki later on either, but Loki goads him into doing so: even then, the final nail on this redemption arc is the fact that his defeat of Loki isn't a matter of smashing his brother to tiny little bits like most Marvel movies like to do: he defeats Loki by taking away his ability to use the Bifrost to destroy things anymore. He is no longer an advocate for destruction, which is exactly what he is when the story begins: thus, GROWTH! And so, I've also pointed out that he expects no rewards, Mjöllnir's return to him is practically a surprise, but he's not an arrogant ass about the return of his power. By the end of the movie, he's telling his father he has a lot left to learn: even his eagerness to take a throne he's not ready for is gone, giving way to a man who's much more responsible than he ever was.

This is the Thor from The Dark World, too. He's a responsible guy, with his humorous moments, but in general, he's a good man with his priorities straight. I could really just use the first movie as a reference, but The Dark World gives him a line that I think is crucial to understand his character growth: "I'd rather be a good man than a great king." I heard this damn line around the same time as when The Search Part 3 was coming out, too... and that comic carried the exact opposite message with Zuko. The whole scene with him putting on the Fire Lord's hairpiece as some sort of symbol of him "accepting his destiny" feels like the exact opposite direction Zuko's growth should have taken: his growth was meant to be personal. This guy was just like Thor, not ready to be king at all. The difference is Thor acknowledges it, reflects on it, and Zuko doesn't. Even if his rule is not going particularly well in the comics, he won't question the "divine right to rule" that he's so certain he possesses. Ironic, considering people act like Azula is the one who acts that way, all because she said that line... meanwhile, it's Zuko who privileges a throne over being a decent person at most stages of his life, with only a handful of moments where it seemed like something was more important than his advancement :') sad, isn't it? But Thor, up until Thor: The Dark World, embodied exactly the opposite concept. And as poorly managed as the MCU may be in current times, they pulled off a great redemption arc in their early days and I will never be ashamed of bringing it up as some of the very best writing Marvel movies EVER did.

3. Marisa Coulter - His Dark Materials

First seriously controversial choice... it's possible that those who haven't read the books would likely think I'm insane for picking out this character, but to be perfectly honest? She fits the bill for my favorite redemptions wonderfully because of what a messed up, flawed character she is.

Marisa Coulter is a terrible person. She has done absolutely unforgivable things. She has hurt people she loves, people she hates, she has hurt herself in a thousand ways, and it seems like she never stops doing it, too. The newest adaptation of the books has done a brilliant (in my opinion) job of showing how damaged she is, where that damage has come from (a very oppressive society), and how she struggles with her own nature. But the most important thing about her character, for me, is what the show hasn't adapted yet: the final book of the trilogy (skip ahead to #4 if you don't want spoilers xD).

Mrs. Coulter is first found in the third book attempting, in a very twisted way, to be a mother to her child. She has wronged this child many times in the past, and she's literally wronging her right then and there... but she is terribly aware, too, of many things. The first of those things is that, if given the choice, her daughter would have nothing to do with her. The second of those things is that her daughter is safest in hiding with her, away from the two factions of a war that are literally hunting down this little girl. She's trying to protect her: when the previous book ended, she literally KILLED a man, one of her closest allies, to ensure he wouldn't find her daughter and that Mrs. Coulter would have a chance to protect her. Then she goes rogue and abandons her entire life, EVERYTHING she's worked for, for the sake of keeping her daughter safe...

... And it fails :') they're found eventually, her daughter is taken from her, and Mrs. Coulter loses her shit. She becomes a prisoner to the daughter's father, no less, and here's when we start to see her true colors: we see how hurt she is, how feral, how fiercely she loves her daughter even though she's, for one thing, completely aware of how unlikely it is that her daughter could ever love HER, and for another thing, how ready she is to spit in the face of authority (literally too xD) if that means standing her ground and what she believes in, and right now, what she believes in is in protecting her daughter however she can.

Suddenly, this woman becomes an actual action heroine, stealing hi-tech vehicles, defusing bombs at risk of getting blown up and killed in the process, and fighting METATRON, the actual angel of Abrahamic tradition, in order to keep her daughter safe. She literally sacrifices herself and spends the rest of her existence plummeting into an endless abyss to protect that girl...

... And that girl never finds out that's what happened to her mother :')

So... faces consequences for her wrongdoings? Yes, since her daughter hates her for those wrongdoings and there's never any patching up that relationship after its downfall. The more the story progresses, the easier you can see that this relationship is becoming Mrs. Coulter's entire purpose in life... and it's a relationship she absolutely destroyed with her early mistakes. The consequences she faces are so severe she never bounces back from them, literally. There's no forgiveness for Mrs. Coulter, not from a lot of readers, and certainly not from the one person she cared about most (her daughter).

Unlearned bad behaviors... she did indeed, a little too late, unfortunately, but I'd say she does. It doesn't have enough bearing on the plot once she gets taken away by Asriel, but she starts to act like her daughter, something Asriel outright remarks on: she used to be the absolute antithesis to her daughter, the perfect lady with ideal manners and complete control over her emotions, and now she's acting just like that wild child did, recklessly spitting at someone and rebelling as openly as possible. I'm pretty sure that's a very strong case of unlearned behavior xD she takes advantage of her deceptive abilities to sabotage the organization she belonged to (the Magisterium), all be it to save her daughter... and then she indeed fights the Authority himself (Metatron), right after having spent her whole life enforcing whatever she thought the Authority wanted from her. She doesn't necessarily become a great person, no... but she takes advantage of her worst traits for better causes. She repurposes her darkness in order to do the right thing and save the life she wants to save (her daughter's :'D).

Lastly, never expected rewards... well, it's not only that she never expected them, in her case, it's that she never EVER got them. There's zero rewards in the cards for Mrs. Coulter. She's only a tragic figure for (some) readers: she's a despot and a monster in her world and her daughter will always be in the dark regarding what happened to her, so she has no idea that her mother made the right choices in the end. Zero rewards, whatsoever, and she knew she'd get none, but she still leapt into that abyss and didn't hesitate, all be it for Lyra's sake :')

This is what a tragic redemption looks like for me, and that's clearly not what Zuko was going for, but it's, IMO, brilliant. It proves there's no single way to redeem a character, and that you absolutely can pull off an amazing character arc of this nature even if the payoff isn't "and they lived happily ever after." An arc that you could say resembles hers is Darth Vader's, which I haven't featured here because... well, it works, but it doesn't tick the boxes quite as well as I would like it to. Still does in general, but there's enough room to be improved in it, if you ask me. Mrs. Coulter's arc feels like what Vader's arc could have been like if it had been fleshed out better, and it's an incredible story if you ask me. She never did become a perfectly good person and I have no trouble admitting that (hence why I know some people would never consider hers a redemption arc), but I don't think I needed her to be a perfectly good person... because what she did, all on its own, is such an extraordinary feat of love that she never managed to show Lyra in any other way. Now that she's to be eternally absent from Lyra's life, Mrs. Coulter succeeded at giving her daughter the very best life she could have... and that's a life without her. Sad, tragic... and yet so goddamn effective!

4. Regina Mills - Once Upon A Time

This is another controversial choice due to a reason I have no trouble acknowledging: yes, Regina should have faced real consequences for her behavior with the sheriff/huntsman and I wish she had because, if she really had, we'd have one of the best redemption arcs in television, uncontested and near-impossible to criticize. Unfortunately, they dropped the ball massively with that storyline and treated something so serious, a crime that ugly, with such disregard and disrespect that it definitely mars what is otherwise a great character arc.

Past this initial hurdle... Regina is the almost mastermind of everything wrong in Once Upon a Time. She's another person who was hurt and damaged so badly by someone in her past (her mother) that she ends up becoming terribly similar to the very mother she hated. She's out for her own benefit, for her revenge over something that, admittedly, is HORRIBLE, but that feels excessive, in the end? It's not that I would defend Snow because I didn't like her one bit x'D but Regina's rampaging war over the man she loved and lost is pretty unfair due to the fact that this idiot girl, Snow, was manipulated by someone else (Regina's mother, Cora) into revealing information she shouldn't have relinquished at all. It sucks, but ultimately, the bigger bad is Cora, not Snow.

But that's really just the starting point: Regina is the indisputable villain in the first season, with occasional glimpses into her past and depth, but all in all, she seems to be a pretty shitty person :'D she has great one-liners and great eye-liner, but all in all, she's not a good person. She's basically enslaving a whole community in order to punish all of them for the crime of trying to live happily ever after upon ending her tyranny in the Enchanted Forest. Once season two arrives, it's the reckoning: Regina is screwed over by the circumstances and it's clear as day that she's not getting away with her transgressions anymore.

The process of her growth is very slow, she does a lot of shitty things after getting caught too, but little by little, she starts to understand why her adoptive son couldn't possibly love her as she was. It's a veeeery gradual thing, but eventually, Regina manages to become someone who takes a stand against other villains and other characters in order to do the right thing: if I recall correctly, the season 2 finale is basically her trying to contain a magical bomb thing that could nuke the whole town xD then Emma comes in to help her so together they save everything and all is right with the world (?). As the story progresses further, she's even given the chance to give Henry (the son) a forehead kiss that becomes True Love's Kiss in a much more wholesome way than what we're used to seeing: it's proof of how much she has changed that she, the dark witch, loves her son so profoundly that she can now use the purest form of magic (TLK :'D). Her growth eventually gets weird because the whole show goes bonkers in a terrible way, but all in all, the concept of her growth works in ways that Zuko's just... drops the ball at, frankly?

First of all, consequences: her son's rebellion against her is what jumpstarts the entire story. This is a consequence that she causes for herself because Henry decides he's got to find a "savior" to fix the fucked up world he's being raised in. This is the very first consequence she faces, and then she faces many more as the story progresses (with the exception of what I mentioned in paragraph 1 in this section, which... ugh). Her journey to redemption is far from easy, especially as most people around her aren't all that forgiving at first, but she manages to become a much better person over time because of the consequences she faces, because they prove to her that she's doing something WRONG and, unless she fixes it, she's going to lose the one thing she still loves (as in, Henry), forever.

Second: unlearning behaviors. From condemning communities to everlasting curses, Regina ends up being the one saving them. From using her magic to her own ends and for her own purposes, she starts using it to protect others, even if it's dark magic. She's still a sassy asshole and burns people at least once out of every three lines she tosses in their direction, but she uses her darkness for different purposes now, deliberately empowering herself with it in order to do the right thing now, something unthinkable for the Regina we see early on in the story. She learns to respect others she despised, she stops sabotaging other people's lives, hell, I HATE the whole storyline with Robin Hood but when she "loses" him at the end of the third (was it?) season, her reaction isn't to obliterate everything she's worked towards just to get him back. She's angry, she's frustrated, but she's no longer as destructive as she used to be, not even in the face of a similar catastrophe than the one that drove her into darkness the first time.

Third: rewards...? I don't really think she was looking for a reward by the time she's killing that nuke xD I won't pretend I remember this whole show perfectly but I think that whenever she was doing things for selfish reasons (aka wanting a reward), she faced consequences for it and didn't get away with what she was looking for. It was only when her actions were truly selfless that she received any form of reward at all, and that means she wasn't looking for a reward in the first place, especially whenever she thought she might have to die in order to save her son.

In short, hers is a less intense arc compared to that of Mrs. Coulter but still worth bringing up. It's profoundly flawed, much like Zuko's, but it gets some things right that Zuko's doesn't, especially the consequences department. Regina usually doesn't get away with the shit she tries to pull (save for the sheriff mess... ._.), things backfire on her often, and she doesn't get to pretend someone else is responsible for it: it's her fault, her responsibility, her problem, and the show persistently makes that clear, which is why it forces her to start on her own path of redemption, since she really can't shirk the responsibility of her faults to anyone else. And it's clear since day one that the only person who can fix everything she broke is her, so that's what her journey is all about.

5. Vidia - Tinkerbell franchise

I am being 100% serious about this one. I know the Disney Fairies are hardly taken seriously as media content and seem way too childish to be treated as such :'D but I treat it as a very fun set of spin-offs that proved a looooot better than what I expected when I first watched them.

So, what's the deal with Vidia? She's an asshole from the start, a selfish and self-absorbed fairy who wants nothing to do with Tinkerbell, which is honestly 100% valid and I don't really think the first movie was trying to make that into Vidia's mistake xD it was Tink's mistake to think she could be friends with everyone, even someone who made it clear, constantly, that she wanted nothing to do with her. But Vidia eventually gets so sick of Tinkerbell and her constant attempts to befriend her AND switch to a different talent than the one she was chosen for that Vidia does something really nasty in order to get Tinkerbell into a fuckload of trouble. Eventually, Vidia's schemes collapse under their weight when Tink figures out a way to sort out the problems she caused... and Vidia reveals she's the one who pushed Tink into making her initial mistake, in a moment of anger and carelessness. Thus, she gets punished for being the instigator for the trouble Tink causes, and Tink is beloved by everyone now :'D

The next time we see Vidia, it's in movie 2 and only for a very brief glimpse of her acting dismissively at the blue fairy dust... right until she gets a small moment to herself and we see her actually rejoicing in it :'D it's a small moment but it's cute nonetheless.

The redemption arc happens in movie 3: Tink is right back to her dumbass antics of trying to befriend someone who wants nothing to do with her! :'D but when Tinkerbell ends up in trouble because Vidia, as usual, was trying to teach her a lesson, the whole world of fairies is bound to be revealed to the nasty humans! :'D and so, Vidia tries to fix her mistake, enlists help and starts a rescue operation for Tink. In the process, she comes clean about how her own foolishness landed them all in this mess... and the other fairies don't blame her, to her utter surprise: that moment of remorse becomes a moment of acceptance. Later, when Tink is almost captured by a human who wants to sell her to museums as some sort of rare butterfly, Vidia shoves Tink out of the way and the one who gets captured is Vidia herself! Effectively sacrificing herself for Tink's sake! Effectively crystallizing a friendship that Tink had no idea was in the books at all, at this point!

So then the fairies rescue Vidia, everything gets sorted out, and now Vidia is genuinely friends with Tinkerbell and all her friends :D which is a very wholesome and happy ending... but it's not an ending just yet.

Three movies later, Vidia and Tink are the best of friends. Vidia is a sassy little shit, who trolls Tink whenever she has the opportunity... but their bond is so tight it's really impossible for me not to interpret theirs as the very best of friendships within their circle of friends. It's effectively a full bounce from antagonist to best friend and when you see the payoff, IT'S BEAUTIFUL! :'D

So, Vidia, kind of like Thor, gets a simple arc, much simpler than some in this list (because she gets two movies for the consolidation of the arc, so nowhere near as much as those who got whole seasons of TV shows or book sagas). But she faces consequences for her actions in both instances where she acts out, her main flaw is being a shithead and not wanting to be a team player, and that behavior is 100% corrected by movie 3, where she's absolutely in this group and she's firmly cemented as Tink's best friend from that point onwards.

Three movies later, she's the very best character in that cast and continues to have an incredible friendship with the headliner :'D So, consequences were faced, behaviors were unlearned, rewards were not expected (crazy girl was ready to get gutted and dissected in a museum as long as it wasn't Tink getting that treatment?! Like, man, that's one HELL of a sacrifice xD) but still got to be friends with Tink later on, because she proved herself and Tink is just thrilled to have a new BFF as far as anyone can tell... again, very simple, but very effective and it works on all three fronts I need it to. Vidia isn't at all that bad a person/fairy xD but even in that case, she gets a redemption arc that works as though she were much worse than she is... and in that process, it gives her a great opportunity to prove that giving some people a chance (or more than one) goes a long way if they've never had anyone giving them a chance before.

6. Ruki Makino - Digimon Tamers

Oh, my female lone wolf... :') Digimon is my first fandom, outright. I've loved it for ages, and it's given me several redemption arcs that are worth rejoicing in. Several of them happened in Digimon Tamers too, one of which is possibly even better than Ruki's, and that's Impmon's redemption arc. That was one hell of a cool redemption arc xD and it definitely ticks all my boxes. But for the sake of brevity, I'll leave Impmon as a reference of another great redemption arc and focus instead on Ruki's:

Ruki is the loner of the Tamers crew. She starts out as an emotionally stunted girl who treats Digimon as data and nothing more. They're not living beings to her, no matter if she has an actual corporeal digimon (Renamon) who often beats up other corporeal digimon :'D and she spends several episodes acting like her understanding of the world is absolute and not wrong at all. But when things get complicated, when she starts to realize this isn't a silly card game and that these creatures are actually alive (and that her own life can be endangered by them, too), Ruki has a bit of a breakdown and wants nothing more to do with it, or so it seems. Her digimon ditches her because she, as well, is struggling to find meaning in her life. After a chaotic incident, Renamon and Ruki are reunited and Ruki finally opens up slightly... but only slightly, at first.

Her growth is gradual, all in all, but it helps her become someone new, someone different, without sacrificing everything else she has been. She becomes a girl who literally makes leaps of faith right into what looks like mortal peril in the hopes that, in doing so, she'll be able to save her friends' lives. A girl who won't escape the Digital World without making sure she can bring Impmon with her, and who takes a huge risk in saving that little troublemaker no matter the horrible things he did in the past, because she sees herself reflected in him, herself and her mistakes. It's a beautiful character growth and a very underrated character arc.

The thing with Digimon is that it prizes character growth and constantly strives for it (... when it's well-written, that is). Thus, in order for the digimon to reach higher levels of combat, the children characters have to make serious progress, emotionally and personally. This is true for Ruki, who goes from being that emotionally stunted girl to someone who leaps into danger to save Culumon, a digimon she used to find annoying and that she ends up doing anything she can to save from the clutches of what appear to be evil digimon. She becomes self-sacrificial, again it's an arc that hinges on selfish-into-selfless, and it's even represented in the outfit she wears: at first, Ruki's t-shirt sports a broken heart. Eventually, her family gets her a new t-shirt, the exact same model but the heart's no longer broken. It's so simple, but it shows how she's gone from such a lonely girl who pushed everyone away into a kind soul who protects others (such as her friend Juri... or that thing that looks like her @_@).

So, consequences for her mistakes: Ruki gets harassed and chased after by a creepy IceDevimon who wants her to become his tamer, it freaks her out horribly, and it's because she's a cold-hearted little shit so the nasty big ice demon claims they're basically fated partners. It's another mirror she refuses to look into, and one that shatters her perception of the world and herself: when she chases Renamon away, Renamon doesn't return until Ruki needs her and KNOWS she needs her. Her angry outbursts have consequences, consequences that render her lonely and miserable until she finally realizes she's going down the wrong path and takes her time to understand what she wants to do with her life instead.

In unlearned behaviors, Ruki stops isolating as much as she used to, learns to work with a team, takes Juri under her wing and makes friends with people she would have never imagined herself bonding with. From disdaining characters like Culumon or Impmon because they were weak, she ends up taking huge risks to save them when the situation requires it. The Ruki from the very start of the story would have never considered sacrificing herself for "mere data", and yet so many episodes down the line, she's doing everything she can to protect those two little annoying fellows, no matter the cost to herself.

And in rewards... Ruki's not really doing things for a reward, I think, but because she realizes she's not at peace with herself as she is. She's looking for that peace, so if someone wants to interpret that as a reward, that's their business xD but as far as I can tell, she's not kind to Juri because she thinks Juri will do something for her in return. She's not saving Culumon or Impmon because she expects to make them her new digimon partners and use them in battle or so: she's doing all those things because these people and digimon matter to her. Because she wants them to be part of her life, and she's ready to put in the work to keep them there. Her situation is of course not nearly as dark as that of some characters listed here... but it's a very nice glimpse into what a wholesome character growth arc looks like, especially a wholesome redemption. It flows far more smoothly and hits the nail on the head as bluntly as Zuko's arc attempts to... only, in Ruki's case the growth is absolutely tangible and reflected fully in her choices and actions, in ways Zuko's, regrettably, is not.

7. Jaime Lannister - A Song Of Ice And Fire EXCLUSIVELY

This is a common character mentioned in terms of character arcs and redemptions, or at least, he used to be until the TV show butchered his arc and character completely, all be it to provide fanservice and to satisfy the craving the showrunners seemed to have for at least featuring one incest couple on their show at a time... :')

Anyway, the show doesn't really concern me. I'm going to talk about the original Jaime Lannister, controversial man as he always was.

I admit, I have a love for the Lannister characters due to how messed up they are because that genuinely makes them interesting. I actually don't hate the relationship between Jaime and Cersei: it's beyond twisted and that's precisely the point of that relationship. Of all relationships we get to see in the books, it seems, for a long time, to be the most passionate one and I have no doubts the bulk of it comes from the very concept of it being transgressive on EVERY possible level it can be. Judging from the point of view of a moral human being, their relationship is disgusting. From a more artistic point of view, it's a very intriguing portrayal of just how dark and messed up human beings can be.

Thus, I don't really see Jaime and Cersei as "the villains" and I never did. Both were far more complex than that from day one, and GRRM fortunately knew better than to portray them with more simplicity than he did.

Jaime is basically the stereotypical golden knight with the shining armor. He's the perfect guy on paper, as much as he thinks he's an idiot, he really isn't that stupid, and he's a great warrior too. How do you take this stereotype of the golden knight and turn it into something awful? Well... through his relationship with Cersei :'D

This relationship is the entire driving motivation of Jaime when we're first getting to know his character. He's not a POV character until Book 3, if I'm not mistaken, but we get a very thorough glimpse of what a corrupted knight he is when he has that very intense conversation with Catelyn Stark while he's her son's captive. It still sticks with me how he goaded and taunted Catelyn all through that conversation like a complete boss while showcasing that he's 100% loyal to his sister while Catelyn's Eddard allegedly had committed indiscretions and cheated on her, ergo, presenting himself as a much more pure person than the very upstanding Ned.

This is basically what makes Jaime interesting. He's not unaware of why he's fucked up, but he happens to take all the greatest values of knighthood and uses them for aaaaall the wrong reasons and purposes. His redemption's ENTIRE purpose is making him come to terms with that disconnection in his choices, actions and honor as a knight, while losing the more material things he valued and that he mistakenly assumed were what made him a worthy knight at all :'D

Once Jaime's journey with Brienne begins, we actually get to see how his mind works. We get glimpses at flashbacks where Cersei berates him for flinging Bran out the window (despite she's the one who asked him to do ~something~). We get to see how she's basically his everything in the most messed up way possible... and we also get to see him butting heads with Brienne, who's 100% everything Cersei is not, and yet ironically embodies what Cersei, in some ways, always wanted to be :'D so Jaime's journey is complicated, I can't remember all the details about it, but his clashes with Brienne end up resulting in his development of respect for Brienne over time, all the way to him losing a hand for her (his sword hand, no less) and jumping into a bear's cage in hopes to help her survive a brutal battle despite he wasn't in much better shape than her at the time.

In those sacrifices, in those moments, Jaime is losing the perfection he was completely built upon. The golden polish that makes him the ideal knight, all stripped off him completely... while, simultaneously, he displays the most nobility and honor he ever has, in his entire lifetime. His character arc is based on him realizing honor and nobility are NOT what he has always assumed they were, what the textbook concepts of such things pretend they are... instead, it's in the things he learns about during his journey with Brienne. It's in developing respect and true understanding with someone, no matter how different from yourself they may be. Cersei, in Jaime's head, represented his "feminine half" in a very idealistic and messed up way, which suggests a very strong narcissism, despite Jaime's not even aware of it, I think (Cersei, on the other hand...). Brienne is basically everything he never thought a woman should be... and that's exactly why it's so pivotal and crucial that she's the one who brings him to understand true respect, nobility and honor as a knight. He actually treats her like an ally and friend once their journey ends, defending her from the heartbroken Loras who wants to avenge his dead king by killing her, and he sends Brienne on a key mission to find Catelyn's daughter.

All his growth is then profoundly showcased in his interactions with Cersei... well, after their reunion in the Sept of Baelor, that is. Where Cersei expects her brother to be exactly who he used to be, Jaime has been profoundly changed by his experiences. This is one thing I cannot forgive the show for: where Cersei comes to Jaime in hopes to seduce him and, in doing so, convince him to support her and let her have her way... Jaime, in the show, thinks with his dick and accepts everything she asks of him because of that. Jaime, in the books, refuses to go along with it because he now has a stronger understanding of duty and honor than he ever did before. It strongly looks like the first time he has refused Cersei anything, and it blows her away in the worst of ways. She's outraged and storms out on him, and from there on, she treats him terribly in retaliation for his behavior. Jaime is hurt because, as much as he's growing, he isn't exactly ready to toss aside the very twisted relationship he's had with Cersei all along just yet. Toxic relationships tend to be difficult to get rid of that way. So things get worse and worse until Cersei decides she just needs an excuse to get rid of her brother and sends him out on some missions away from King's Landing.

Ah, but I forget myself. Tyrion, Jaime's little brother to whom Jaime was usually very nice, discovers through Jaime's confession (while trying to break Tyrion out of King's Landing before he gets unfairly executed) that Tyrion's wife from ages ago actually loved him and that Tywin had Jaime break up their relationship as violently and horribly as it happened because it wasn't convenient for the Lannisters :'D Tyrion flies into a rage and then tells Jaime what we as readers already know: Cersei is 100% unfaithful to Jaime and always has been. This knowledge arrives very late for Jaime, it's somewhat difficult to fathom that he'd be so unaware of it, frankly... but it happens well after Jaime has already rejected Cersei at that crucial moment. This knowledge, too, sours things between them to a point where Jaime's journey through the lands north of King's Landing is mostly him brooding over all the people Cersei fucked while he wasn't available or paying attention :'D it doesn't help his development much, no, I have no trouble admitting that x'D

But... the final moment of Jaime's appearance in the fourth book is really what I consider the cusp of crystallization of his character arc: Cersei is in BIG trouble, and she begs him to come save her. Her letter is written in desperation, she trusts and believes he will come forward to help her. She trusts him that much! :'D

... And Jaime burns that letter.

The fact that the show refused to feature this moment is just... man, you can't take such showrunners seriously if they CAN'T do something like this. It's absurd to completely fuck over a character's very long arc, very complex and very interesting arc, just to continue drooling over an incest couple. It's ridiculous. Because they're not even exploring Cersei and Jaime in the very layered and complex way GRRM did in the books... no, they were really just in it for the incest. Which says more than enough about the priorities those showrunners had.

Basically, though, Jaime faces consequences for his past wrongdoings in many ways: he gets captured and imprisoned by the Starks, he loses his hand, he loses all his prestige, his pride as a warrior, his sister... all these things that he valued and that he thought made him the perfect knight were slowly but surely taken away from him, and they left him beaten and bloodied, lost in a world he had no place in anymore. If someone faced consequences for his wrongdoings, AND THEN SOME, it's definitely this guy.

The unlearning of toxic behaviors is basically everything I wrote up there xD Jaime spent most his life in a very messed up relationship with his sister and then it's by HIS choice, by HIS decision that there were boundaries to abide by, that there was honor he had to adhere to, that this relationship falls apart. It hurts him, yes, but Jaime stands his ground and no longer allows Cersei to manipulate him and use him the way she did in the past. He also respects people he had no respect for (Brienne being the prime example but Catelyn Stark as well), and he realizes there's no point in being a knight in shining armor if what's underneath that armor is... well, basically shit, to put it as eloquently as the show would xD

Finally... the rewards. Again something the show fucked up at majorly.

I actually love the relationship between Brienne and Jaime in the books... platonically. Platonically. 100% platonically.

And this is why.

Jaime himself knows Brienne's worth by the time they part ways. Even if they feel a romantic connection could exist between them, I'm absolutely certain Jaime would not feel worthy of Brienne in the least. Their inverse Beauty and the Beast situation sounds very pretty on paper, but once you really think about the characters as they are? Brienne is not about to let a man derail her whole life, that's EXACTLY the one thing she doesn't want and won't stand for. Jaime? He would never want to be that man. He respects her too much. He knows he's a huge mess and he would always think she deserves better than him, the guy who has spent his entire life in a relationship with his sister. His actions with Brienne, to me, have NOTHING to do with him trying to win her over romantically. He has never betrayed any interest in doing so, but even if, like I said, the urge were there, I don't think Jaime would genuinely act on it out of, once more, RESPECT for Brienne and for everything she stands for. This man drank respect women juice by the gallons when he met that awesome warrior lady, and what the show did to them was, on one hand, blatant fanservice, and on the other hand, a brutal character assassination, FOR THE BOTH OF THEM. The sudden, shortlived relationship where Jaime bails as soon as he hears Cersei is in trouble reduces him to the garbage man he is actively trying NOT to be in the books, and Brienne into the helpless woman pining over a man who doesn't deserve her that she has always tried NOT to be. It's not beautiful, ironic or interesting: it's plain stupid. Because, like I said, it was done for fanservice primarily, and it was a massive disservice to both characters in the end.

Point and case being: Jaime in the books is not hoping Brienne will fall into his arms, hopelessly in love, now that he dumped Cersei for good. Jaime in the books is actively, genuinely, looking to set things right. He tells Tyrion the truth when he does because he wants to be honest, because he's done being the Lannister moron who just follows on his sister and father's footsteps without thinking anything through. He has a heart, and it's so much better than he realized it is, and that heart guides him into doing what really is the right thing, no matter how difficult it may be to follow it at times (he has effectively lost both the people he cared about most in the past, Tyrion and Cersei, at this point in time, because he's done the right thing). So... there's really no reward for Jaime. The point of his arc is, if anything, that there's no NEED for reward when you're a true knight. And only when he's lost his hand, the woman for whom he used to fight for and all his prestige as a golden knight in shining armor, does Jaime Lannister truly become a knight.

And THAT's why his arc is goddamn beautiful, in its very twisted, fucked up sort of way :'D So, yes, Jaime absolutely fulfills my three requirements (BOOKS ONLY!) and he's a really good example of what a solid redemption arc looks like, not only when you contrast the beginning and the end, but when you actually analyze how that development takes place and how he becomes the man worth rooting for that he is, at least in what we've seen so far in the books. In comparison to Zuko... well, Zuko happens to become EXACTLY what he always intended to be, only, he's supposed to be a nice Fire Lord rather than an asshole Fire Lord, sure. He's not forced to reason with his goals and needs in depth at any point in time the way Jaime is. And yes, Zuko changes, but he sacrifices next to nothing that truly means anything to him, and gets back everything he sacrificed eventually, to boot. Imagine how cringworthy an arc it would be if Jaime Lannister supposedly changed his ways only to come right back to Cersei a "changed" man but without losing a hand or truly making sacrifices that mean anything, and he returns to his role in the Kingsguard just like that, betraying next to no hesitation or growth when it comes to anything he should have been reasoning with :'D maybe even marries Cersei and nobody cares, so he gets to fulfill his whole life's dream, just after a life-changing field trip where he made one (1) new friend and that's it!

... Well, minus the hand, that's basically what GOT represented him as, which is exactly why he's completely worthless there, heh...

8. Chocolove - Shaman King

This guy had the greatest redemption arc in Shaman King for two reasons: first of all, he was done VERY DIRTY in the original anime adaptation of this manga, and he came off as a very pointless, annoying character whose sole redeeming quality was his spirit companion, who happened to be a really cool jaguar :'D

Fast forward to 2021's adaptation and Chocolove gets the makeover of the century. Not only because the new show is handling his character better... but because it's closer to the actual, original storyline now, too! :'D

Chocolove McDonell is a huge dork. He likes to make bad jokes. This is basically all you know about him when you watch 2003's show.

In 2021's show, Chocolove McDonell is a tragic character, a victim of gang violence who then became a gang member, commiting violence just as bad as that which was committed against him, until someone helped him find a better path in life that might guide him towards real peace :')

He became an orphan early on in life due to gang violence, then he becomes a gang member too and, no matter how young he may be, he commits several crimes of his own, including murder of innocents for robberies and such. He's such a dark character in those flashbacks that it's very hard to believe he can be the same goofball you see in recent times: but Chocolove is found by a man who teaches him a new path. A mentor who helps him find a love for comedy and life that Chocolove had in him all along, but no one helped him find until this man did.

Then the mentor gets killed :'D by Chocolove's own gang.

The lessons of the mentor don't go to waste, though: Chocolove decides he has to change the world with laughter. He knows what the world of violence and crime is like, and he believes a better world than that one can be built. That's his true goal as a shaman and why he wants to become the Shaman King. It sounds silly as a premise... until you actually see the darkness this premise came from, which makes it a very touching concept instead.

Chocolove wouldn't be on this list, however, if it weren't for the fact that the children of the guy he killed on one Christmas night have been hunting him ever since :'D

The two kids show up on this super OP golem and they murder Chocolove's old gang (whom he had reformed, following fit with everything he learned with his mentor). He has to face those kids and face what he did: his own parents were murdered and now he's confronted by two kids who are a perfect mirror of who he had become during his gang days. So Chocolove outright DIES in this confrontation, is brought back to life later, and is shown having reflected on some really profound things once he comes back. He's so much stronger, but his true hope isn't to silence these kids, to make them feel bad for him and his suffering, to accept their dad is dead and to move on... no, it's to save them from the pain he has inflicted upon them, just as he wants to save the world with laughter.

He wants to fight for reasons that are truly worth fighting for, and he sacrifices his eyesight in order to become a stronger shaman yet to fulfill his true purpose.

So, once again the roundup: the children of the man he killed are, without a doubt, the consequences for his past actions. It's a complete, direct way to confront everything he did and everything he regrets, and the story pulls it off really well.

Unlearning toxic behaviors is what his journey with his mentor consisted of, as well as the whole message he's putting forward by reforming his gang and becoming a champion of laughter rather than violence. His whole character is basically a testament to unlearning toxic behaviors.

As for rewards... there are rewards indeed, I suppose, in what Chocolove achieves in this story. But I don't think that's what he's really going for. It isn't a matter of wanting people to worship him for having steered them in the right direction: he wants people to laugh so that they may find happiness and turn away from violence, because that's what he learned will be better for the world and for each individual. I really don't think there's any selfishness in that and, upon glancing at what the wiki says about Chocolove's future, I really do think he wasn't taking ANY sort of action for the sake of rewards at all. Hoping to become the Shaman King is a bit of a reward for sure, but what Chocolove wanted to achieve with that power is so distant from material or selfish goals that it's reeeeally hard not to root for the guy xD So, in short, he's a very good example of redemption, far better than a few other characters in this show who, yes, aren't half bad in their redeemed state... but I don't think any of their stories really hold a torch to Chocolove's.

9. Blackwall - Dragon Age: Inquisition

... I'm gonna be honest here, writing this one actually hurts xD because Blackwall BROKE MY HEART, and yet his redemption arc is possibly the best one in all of Dragon Age. But he still broke my heart. I'm still getting over it. That's where the consequences are, spoiler alert x'D

Anyway, Blackwall is a polarizing character in DAI (what ISN'T polarizing in Dragon Age, tbh...?). A guy who spends most the story lying to you can only achieve that sort of a reaction, right? :'D

The thing is that, when you meet Blackwall, he's a Grey Warden. A slightly sketchy Warden, sure, but he seems to be a stereotypical Warden indeed. Maybe a bit fanboyish. Maybe a bit odd. But then you see him interacting with his fellow Wardens during the quest of Here Lies the Abyss (if you brought him with you), you see him inspiring the other Wardens to STOP fighting and to return to their true purpose, and you can't help but think this guy's so cool! :D

... And then you discover Blackwall is long dead and the guy you've been hanging out with is Thom Rainier, who has been pretending to be Warden Blackwall for many, many years now.

Thom Rainier was not a good man. He was not a saint by any means. He was a captain in the Orlesian army who actively helped Orlesian lords fight each other in "the Game" by taking up unsavory jobs that were criminal and dreadful. The main horrible job he did entailed murdering a family of innocent civilians, children included, for the political advancement of one political party: the outcome saw Thom Rainier and his men being hunted down by the Orlesian law. His men were unaware of what they'd done for the most part, so Thom Rainier was the only one who truly understood the magnitude of the crime even before it was committed... and he still commanded it anyway, because he had been paid to do it.

It's a horrible story. It's dreadful. It's so bad Thom Rainier can't even live with himself afterwards. He spent most his days in taverns until the real Blackwall found him one day and recruited him to join the Grey Wardens. But, in typical dramatic fashion, the real Blackwall dies before Thom Rainier can complete his Joining ritual, he panics and fears the Wardens will think he killed Blackwall if he comes back with the dead man, and in a fit of said panic, decides he'll impersonate the real Blackwall... and that's how the players come to know him as Blackwall :'D

This whole backstory is revealed to the player veeeery late in the game. So late that my cute little elven Inquisitor had fallen in love with this big bear of a man, and she loved him dearly... and then she found out he had ditched her after banging her in a barn (yep .w. so classy), and when she finally tracks him down, turns out he's interrupting an execution in Orlais: he's interrupting the execution of one of his men, because he's here to take responsibility. He turns himself in to the law and reveals his true identity.

Turns out that, in all your heroic actions as the Inquisitor, Blackwall finds himself inspired to do good, to be a force of positive change in the world... but he knows that he can't just overlook the past and pretend none of it happened, which is what he's been doing so far. He's very much remorseful for it all, so he decides to fix it as best he can... and the only way to do that is to save his men, if he can, and to accept the punishment he deserves for his crime, too.

The game actually forces you to get him out of that situation because the writers are wicked that way xD I actually played through that quest recently and thought that, if possible, I'd just leave him to get executed by Orlais as he wanted to be, but no. He gets very angry at you for breaking him out, though, goes without saying... and he wants, he absolutely WANTS, to face the consequences of his past sins. Whatever good he's done in the present cannot feel right until he atones for the past. And that makes him a very compelling character... no matter how heartbroken my Inquisitor felt about this whole thing :'D

Alas, you can forgive him and get him to be your boyfriend again if you're like me (?) I did it, yes, and it wasn't the same ever again, every time I talked to him I couldn't resist clicking the meaner options because my Inquisitor was still upset at him xD but you can also choose to send him to the Wardens for good this time, once the main story ends. You can force him into serving the Inquisition against his will too, if you want to be an asshole (?) so those are your choices, and that's how you choose to deal with this man on his redemption arc.

Any of those choices, however, impacts Blackwall/Thom's arc very little, all in all: he's a man repenting, and he's ready to pay the price for his mistakes. You name that price, you determine what it will be, and he will face it when the time comes. You can't change his mind about that need for atonement: that's 100% on him, and that's what his whole character is about. The only thing you get to decide is how you will react to it all.

So, Blackwall absolutely faces the consequences of his actions, even if very late after committing them. He's inspired by the Inquisitor to set everything right, and it's a very touching story even if it still leaves a sour taste because of how Blackwall spent so many years running away... and yet it becomes a poignant lesson in not taking for granted that it's "too late" to atone. He decides to own up to his mistakes and to do things the right way, even if it takes forever. Not everyone will accept this, of course... but he's still doing his very best to atone indeed, and that means a lot more than pretending you did the right thing, playing up false innocence, or justifying your actions with embellished explanations :'D

He unlearns his behavior, of course, seeing as he never again commits the crimes he did after the disaster with the Callier family. He's a brooding drunk afterwards, but then he becomes a warrior who battles Darkspawn and trains common folk to defend themselves. He's done awful things... but see, the funny thing about Grey Wardens is that they give everyone a second chance, no matter how badly they may have mishandled their first chance at life :'D Blackwall may be an extreme way of showing just how absolute that Grey Warden concept of second chances is... but it works very effectively, if you ask me. He makes the most of this second chance, and even decides to face the necessary consequences for his crimes despite he could just as easily have continued to lie forever, but he couldn't stand doing that.

As for rewards... he's definitely expecting no rewards, the man outright gets mad at you for not letting him die in atonement for his crimes x'D it's you who chooses to reward him for being a better man, but he absolutely doesn't do ANYTHING in hopes of a reward of any nature. Does he disapprove if you turn him into a servant of the Inquisition against his will? Well, yes, but that doesn't mean he won't do it xD also disapproves if you say good riddance to him, but it doesn't really change his willingness to face those consequences. Basically he'll just be upset at you for trying to get in the way of justice being dispensed just so you can take a petty vengeance over having been lied to (which, yes, is VERY petty compared to what Orlais wants from him, and I think we all can acknowledge that). So... the man is a good man in the end. He wasn't always, but he is now, which is the point of any redemption arc. And while it's definitely difficult to accept that he deceived you for as long as he did, the cutscene where he's finishing building that toy for the kids in Skyhold just hits so damn hard that I can't stay mad forever. He's a much better man than he knows, so much better than other men in this very same franchise :'D and he has no interest in being acknowledged as one: all he wants is to do right by people, to help those who need help and to accept every consequence of his past if need be, for he won't feel worthy of a future before he does that. There's a humility to many redemption arcs, such as his, that certain arcs just... can't hope to attain and frankly are not any better for it.

10. Soren - The Dragon Prince

I admit, I never anticipated Soren redeeming himself. I really thought Claudia might be the one to do it... but I do admit, Soren's redemption was a lot more wholesome than I ever thought possible for a character who starts out as the idiot sort-of-bully who messes with the protagonist as often as he does.

Soren isn't a bad guy, deep down. He's just a jock, and he's pretty dumb. But for someone raised by a father as messed up as Viren, Soren is remarkably decent, if you ask me.

Still, Soren only gets to really shine in season 3. Season 2 doesn't help him much, though it breaks him pretty badly right before Claudia heals him with the dark magic she uses to set him all back to what he used to be :'D in this sense, I think Soren's character is a bit like Jaime Lannister's: he has some limits, yes, he's not truly evil and he's a big goofball in general, but for most the first two seasons, he's really not much to write home about. He gets smashed by a dragon in the second season, which paralyzes him and that was a very interesting development up until Claudia, like I said, heals him with dark magic. By then, Soren's a little weirded out by circumstances around him and when he faces Viren with Claudia on the next season, he's taken aback by the fact that his father is gaslighting them as blatantly as he is. Claudia gets swept up by it, he's completely disappointed and heartbroken.

So, Soren's arc really builds up from slowly coming to terms with his own limits, as far as I can tell, and gradually seeing Viren for what and who he really was. His sister can't really do that, but he does: he helps Ezran escape, he turns his back on Viren when he and Aaravos start doing insane magic to turn warriors into crazy monstruous beings, and he runs to help Callum, Ezran and Rayla shortly after having been completely dreadful to them back in season 2. Soren even scores one of the best dialogues/monologues in the entire show when he inspires everyone to fight Viren: "the only way to stop this is to look evil in the face and say 'no more'," and who would have thought a character who came off as a completely hopeless jock would be the one to say those words in this show? xD

Soren faces consequences for his actions, yes, by earning both the distrust of his father and his sister, and of Callum's group. Hell, the dragon's attack that leaves him so badly injured is just another conseqeunce for his behavior. He wants to play heroics, to pretend he's some great hero and warrior, only to find himself paying such a steep price for it that he's completely lost as to what he's doing and why he's doing it at all by season 3.

His unlearned toxic behaviors are, of course, everything he regrets and repents for in season 3, his willingness to stand side by side with those he had once seen as enemies (elves), his leadership and help to those who are supporting Callum's group. He's still using his warrior training... but now he's using it for the better. All the way to attempting to KILL his own father, whom he no longer sees as a great hero or a man worth the admiration he used to feel for him, because now Soren serves Ezran, the actual king he's supposed to serve, rather than Viren, who basically just controlled him because he was Soren's father. Soren is a true knight now, taking a stand for what matters, even remediating the wrongs of the past generation (where Viren greedily sought power and took down King Harrow when he could, now Soren fights for Ezran's right to be king, all the way to confronting his father as he does).

Lastly, rewards... well, I don't think the rewards Soren gains are remotely as big as the ones he would have gotten if he had just closed his eyes and let Viren do whatever he wanted. He would have become more powerful, much stronger if he had let Viren mutate him :'D he would have stayed with his father and sister, whom he loved and cared about. Instead, he turns against them and helps the kids who may or may not hate him (at least, he expects two out of three will hate him), all be it in order to do what he has learned is right, and to serve the true king he wants to serve, Ezran. So... yes, Soren is definitely a redemption arc done right. Could it have benefited from muuuuch longer process? I would say so, yes. But with what we were given, I think it works fairly well for what it is. Would I have loved to see Claudia redeemed? Absolutely, and admittedly it's what season 2 really seemed to suggest would happen? But who knows if the future will bring something better... at any rate, Soren, for what we have in TDP so far, is a good example of a good redemption arc.

11. Steve Harrington - Stranger Things

This one is, I think, one of the most popular examples of good redemption arcs in modern-day media. The thing with Steve is he wasn't THAT bad, something that becomes starkly obvious once Billy shows up, but he wasn't exactly the most upstanding guy either. In general, he feels like a popular guy with a bit more nuance than usual in the first season. This nuance comes from the fact that he's in a relationship with a girl who used to be a regular nerd, not popular at all, and while he could be as big a bully as his asshole friends are (because he's part of THAT crowd), he generally doesn't act like that. All he really wants, at first, is to have his relationship with Nancy and nothing else really seems to be much of a big deal for him.

Then Jonathan comes into the picture with literal pictures and, while I'm not going to excuse Steve at all, Jonathan wasn't exactly the most appropriate guy either, taking pictures of their group's secret pool party mess without anyone's awareness that he was even there, and taking some pictures of Steve's girlfriend that do NOT paint Jonathan in a flattering light in anyone's eyes... other than Nancy's, of course. Steve was not at all entitled to beat up Jonathan or break his camera, his territoriality over Nancy is absolutely wrong, but let's be real: the behavior exhibited by Jonathan is not what most people would consider agreeable ways to flirt with your crush, worse yet if said crush is already taken. It's very valid, imo, to feature Steve considering Jonathan's behavior as creepy because IRL, I think that's what most people would and should react like.

But like I said, this doesn't justify Steve's outburst... and he knows it. His attempt to "defend Nancy's honor" by beating up Jonathan and doing all the shitty things he and his friends did in retaliation for her dumping him was completely childish and stupid. And like I said, he knows it. That's why it doesn't even take longer than one season for Steve to regret being such an idiot, and why he finds himself in a surreal, supernatural chaotic adventure (or misadventure) with Nancy and Jonathan when the first season is ending: he wanted to apologize to the two of them, and because of his great timing, he ends up joining forces with them against the nasty monster :'D

By the time we start season 2, Steve is a much more mature guy. He's a fascinating way to explore what comes AFTER redemption, if you ask me. People who pretend redemption stories end when the character changes his ways... well, they're completely proven otherwise by Steve and his story, because it ony gets BETTER after he's changed his ways.

Nancy is clearly still hung up on Barb's tragedy and her feelings for Jonathan once season 2 gets going. She and Steve have very strong divorcing couple vibes here, so eventually it's over between them and I don't really remember it being dreadful, just that they go their separate ways. After getting ejected from the teenage drama, though, Steve undergoes the transformation that cemented him as a fan favorite: DAD STEVE IS BORN! From being the jock of the cast, he suddenly takes a protective role with the kids of Stranger Things, especially with Dustin. He's fighting alongside these crazy kids, helping them against some very nasty threats, and just all around being a great guy. He even drives Dustin to the dance and gives him tips on how to do his hair and look cool xD

And in season 3, despite we thought Steve would have already reached the heights of his character, he got an even BETTER deal than I thought possible: his contentious relationship with co-worker Robin is a TON of fun to witness, especially once she starts to show she can be one hell of an asset to Steve and Dustin's investigations. The more Steve and Robin spend time together, the stronger the chemistry between them... chemistry that Steve misinterprets, as does the general audience that didn't get spoiled that Robin was gay by all early viewers xD she eventually admits this to Steve, just when he's as good as assuming the next natural step in his friendship with Robin is to try to start a romantic relationship with her, now that they really are vibing together... and then you see his reaction to her confession and it's amazing. He's not being a selfish asshole, he's completely understanding of her and their chemistry is even BETTER for it. He's so supportive and they become the BFF team nobody even imagined they wanted for Steve. It's such a great storytelling choice that it just continues to cement Steve as the best breakout character in this entire show.

So... Steve faced consequences for his wrongs with Jonathan for sure, since he lost Nancy, the one girl he was truly in love with. He is implied to have had a lot of relationships but she's the one that he really cared about. In being an ass to Jonathan, which is frankly his only true fault, Steve ends up paying the price of losing the one thing we knew he cared about. He gets no new girlfriend later as a consolation prize either: he has to find other things in life, on his own time, that make his life worthwhile, because his ship with Nancy has very much sailed and isn't coming back.

He unlearns the toxic behaviors in the obvious way, by showing us he's not acting the way he did with Jonathan anymore. He outright regrets it and apologizes to him and Nancy, and there's no sign of him acting like that with anyone else again. Then, when Robin can't be the girlfriend he briefly thought she might be for him, he doesn't fly into a selfish rage: he knows better than that. Nancy may not have been the most painless lesson ever, but it's still a lesson he learned and he won't get in the way of the happiness of a girl he cares about, so lesson very much learned.

Lastly, like I said, there's no real consolation prize for Steve. He doesn't get the love of a lifetime he's looking for. It's entirely possible the story won't ever give him another girlfriend that makes him as happy as Nancy did. But that doesn't mean he's bitter about his growth and development: he's found other things, other people to care about, and now he makes the most of the new friendships he's found with the least likely people (Dustin and Robin, particularly). It's a much less hardcore redemption arc than many of the ones I describe in this post, but it hits the three important points I need a redemption arc to hit and turns a character who could have been a boring stereotype into a truly engaging, interesting character worth rooting for.

12. Johnny Lawrence - Karate Kid + Cobra Kai

Another controversial choice! xD Johnny Lawrence's redemption arc is a bit wonky and weird, I admit as much. The thing is, once you revisit the original movie, you find that he was a dick... and that Daniel was also pretty much picking fights in revenge even when Johnny wasn't doing anything to him. So it's a slightly ridiculous situation all in all, and the true victim of it all is, ultimately, Ali (?) Good thing that girl got out of there on time xD

Anyway, Johnny respects Kreese's agreement with Miyagi that there will be no more fighting until Johnny and Daniel can sort things out directly at the tournament. Daniel, ironically, instigates conflict in a childish, playful way after said agreement is reached... but this isn't about Daniel anyway xD Johnny is, of course, a dick as well, he's annoying and doesn't seem to respect Ali's choice to either dump him or date someone else. Still, by the end of the movie, things start to feel a little odd when Kreese has Daniel injured on purpose by one of his students and tells Johnny to take advantage of the injury. Johnny looks hesitant, but eventually he follows his teacher's order. Once he gets defeated unexpectedly by Daniel with the controversial move that still is in the midst of legality debates (?) Johnny surprises everyone in a... 5 second scene where he picks up the trophy and hands it over to Daniel by saying "you're alright", which suggests he underwent some sort of express redemption arc!

This redemption arc is, in my opinion, finalized through Cobra Kai. I have my misgivings with season 3 of said show (haven't watched the fourth yet), but season 1 was basically the ideal answer to the original movie in terms of working with a sequel that not only honored the original but showed just how complicated Johnny's life has been: his redemption really only started in that scene at the tournament, and he's spent the rest of his life falling apart and being a mess because he's a chaotic guy, practically the living embodiment of a meme of an 80's guy still stuck in the past. He, somehow, becomes the Miyagi to Miguel Diaz, a neighboring kid who's very nice to him and to whom Johnny ends up teaching karate due to Miguel's problems with his own bullies. We get to see Johnny's side of the story, which no doubt is biased as hell... but that side of the story becomes remarkably compelling due to the subversion of tropes here. Cobra Kai went from the karate school of the privileged amoral assholes to the school of the underdogs who are looking for the strength and confidence to overcome the trappings of their status as school nerds. Miguel is the poster boy for this new Cobra Kai, but the story wisely features a character like Hawk, whose confidence and strength turn him into a bully in his own right. Meanwhile, Daniel starts teaching Robbie, Johnny's son, Miyagi-style karate. There's plenty of chaos there, with both Daniel and Johnny following on Mr. Miyagi's footsteps in odd ways (Johnny by helping the weak kids, Daniel by teaching a single student in the arts Miyagi taught him). Everything, then, comes to a head in the tournament that year...

And it all results in Johnny realizing the error of not just his ways, but of Cobra Kai's ways. He's forcibly reminded of his own disastruous tournament, when he was told by his teacher to take advantage of the injury that nearly rendered Daniel unable to keep fighting. And he's forcibly reminded of that... because that's the way his "no mercy" Cobra Kai students are behaving. Miguel has a very petty and stupid teenage conflict going on with Robbie over Samantha (Daniel's daughter) that's basically the same conflict Johnny and Daniel had over Ali... and he's acting on impulse, rage and vengeance much like Johnny was encouraged to in his younger years. Miguel's even worse about it, I'd say, mostly because Johnny IS trying to reel him back, and Miguel won't hold back at all. He's even proud of defeating Robbie as brutally as possible... while Johnny can't even savor the triumph because he's just seen the story from the other side. He's no longer just the proud teacher of a WINNER! No, he's the estranged father of the loser, and he's the one responsible for Robbie's injuries by having taught Miguel to act the way Miguel is acting.

It's honestly such a strong storytelling choice because it forces Johnny to confront his wrongdoings directly. He's no longer just Cobra Kai, he's also Miyagi-do because of Robbie. He cares about his son, and he's wronged Robbie SOOOOO much, throughout all of Robbie's life, and he can't even do right by him when it comes to karate because his son's decided to join Daniel to piss off Johnny (at least, that was his sole purpose initially). Miguel is a surrogate son, one who sees Johnny as a great father figure that Johnny doesn't even feel like he is, because he's screwed over Robbie so many times (mostly without meaning to). Even when he tries to be there for his son, things always take a turn for the worse. And right as the first season ends, Robbie walks away from his father, injured and having lost a tournament, but seemingly having won something much more important: the father figure he's been lacking all his life, in Johnny's life-long rival rather than in Johnny himself.

So Cobra Kai's strongest writing was really back in these days because it really drove the point home about Johnny's growth and forced him to confront things he had been neglecting or deliberately ignoring for all those years. It's a redemption arc done right because it's no longer "Oh yeah so Johnny suddenly had a moment of clarity when his teacher gave him a horrible order and he accepted his loss with dignity!", it's "Johnny is confronted by the reality of his actions and the true horrors of Cobra Kai philosophy when his student/surrogate son beats up his actual biological son because of his teachings". It really improves on the original massively when you look at it this way, and it's the entire reason his redemption arc can make it into this list.

There's a lot of questionable choices in the later writing of Cobra Kai, I haven't even watched season 4 yet but season 3 was mostly unpleasant. Even so, based on what I've seen, I can definitely point to the three signs of an achieved redemption arc with what I saw so far:

Johnny pays the consequences for his mistakes through his son becoming the Daniel to Miguel's Johnny in season 1. He faces consequences for not reasoning with Cobra Kai teachings from his youth and imparting them carelessly to young, impressionable kids who may not be terrible people, all in all, but who are quick to take advantage of those teachings in impulsive ways, without reasoning with them just as Johnny didn't. He actually realizes what his role as a teacher and mentor has to be throughout the second season and we get to see a stark contrast between him and Kreese when Johnny shows that his No Mercy philosophy is no longer what it used to be. Then he outright kicks Kreese out of Cobra Kai, and gets screwed over in retaliation for it, but he creates his own dojo... and he continues to try to follow a newer and much better code of behavior that feels like his own philosophy, his own ways of being fierce without being as impulsively violent and destructive as he used to be. So yes, I'd say he faces consequences very often, consequences that he reasons with and that persuade him to try to be better, even if he doesn't always succeed at that. He faced consequences for his actions in the original movie too, but his arc isn't really as insightful as it becomes when Cobra Kai expands on it.

Unlearning toxic behaviors is basically what Johnny is trying to do in the second and third seasons of Cobra Kai. He's not necessarily doing a brilliant job all around, but he gets to showcase his growth as he starts letting go of the worst sides of his behavior and tries to be better and do better in most aspects of his life. You absolutely can see the progress in Johnny's case, and it's really annoying at times to see the show resorting to cheap drama that dampens that progress and sabotages Johnny's growth just for the sake of convoluted storytelling, but what can you do...

Finally, rewards: the only thing I think Johnny wants at this point in time is to do right by the next generation. I could be wrong to think he'd accept Robbie turning his back on him permanently if he KNEW Robbie's life will be turned around by doing so... but in some ways, that's exactly what he did in season 2 by accepting Robbie was with Daniel and even trying to get his kids to stop hounding him and mistreating his son. If doing the right thing means he'll earn Robbie's affection and respect, he'll be happy for it... but sometimes, Robbie can be very messed up :'D and even in those cases, Johnny is shown making difficult decisions that Robbie might not forgive him for. He makes them anyway, though, because he's learning better and becoming a better man. All of which includes owning up to his fuckups and doing better as a father and teacher to all the kids in his charge. If season 4 messed up all this growth and development somehow, I don't know yet... but until season 3, at least, Johnny manages to retain a lot of his core character traits and repurposed them for the better, letting go of so much baggage he didn't really reason with and understanding he has to be better, do better, in order to make his life worthwhile. What was a mediocre redemption arc in the original movies becomes so much more than that when this show puts him in complicated situations and positions as a teacher for all those kids, as well as his role as a father to Robbie. It's complicated... but like I said, unless season 4 really messed up majorly, his redemption arc is most likely the best element in the entire show and the one narrative thread that really kept me invested in the show back when I first watched it.

13. Diana Cavendish - Little Witch Academia

This one's a bit complicated because Diana wasn't really evil at all or a villain or anything like that xD Diana was, instead, the smartest girl, top of the class, too good to be true, heiress to a big magical family and all that. She's a very interesting character and posibly the best one in the entire story... and she's constantly at odds with Akko, the protagonist, during the majority of LWA. She solves problems in unexpectedly effective ways, whereas Akko sorts out issues in completely ridiculous ways. They're both contrasting characters and rivals... and yet Diana always holds at least a modicum of respect for Akko that Akko doesn't even seem aware of, on the most part.

Their rivalry is persistent up until the moment when Diana is supposed to leave the academy because of her family issues. Akko, meddlesome as she is, pokes her nose into that business and ends up following Diana all the way back home, trying her very best to get Diana to come back because the school won't be the same without her and Diana has always wanted to be a witch. In helping Diana, Akko awakens a new power in the Shiny Rod, and Diana proves she's a much better person than stereotypes of her role suggest, by often putting other people's lives and safety first, well above her own needs and obsessions with her family's legacy.

Sometime after Akko learns the truth about what happened to her magic, Diana also puts together what happened to her own: Diana spent years unable to perform any magic at all because Shiny Chariot, childhood idol of both Akko and Diana, stole their power when they were children. Diana managed to regain her power and became a remarkable, studious and talented witch because of her hard work, whereas Akko was 100% unaware of what had happened to her and didn't really know why she couldn't perform magic the way others could. Once they learn about it, Akko is very depressed... and Diana is the one who starts getting Akko out of that rut. By the finale, Diana is the very last person standing next to Akko as they try to prevent a global disaster from happening, nukes included and everything xD

Diana's isn't a classic redemption arc because she really doesn't have that much to answer for. Being arrogant isn't exactly a sin in my books, being proud isn't one either. Still, you can see a very interesting change in her character and true growth the more she sees that Akko, the chaotic girl with no magic or magic family to speak of, becomes an actual witch through her determination more than anything, a witch who thinks magic should be used to make people smile. It's really an interesting situation since Diana is about as stern and unwilling to smile as Akko is happy and emotional all the time... and yet in Diana's growth, you can see her smiling more often as things move forward, as she gets to understand Akko better and respect her as the witch she is.

So, once you get to the bottom of it: Diana faces consequences for her actions when she, in all her studiousness and looking down on someone like Akko, is forced to acknowledge that maybe she doesn't have all the answers, and that Akko may just be relating to magic in a very valuable and important way that Diana has long set aside. So Diana may be lauded and beloved by all the important people... but she knows, deep down, that Akko has answers she doesn't, and that those answers are worth respecting. She embodies that respect with more and more strength as the story progresses until she becomes one of Akko's best friends.

Unlearning toxic behaviors is what I already said above, I guess xD she stops looking down on Akko on principle, stops pretending Akko is inferior and instead becomes as helpful to Akko as she can be, down to even being the one to find Akko and talk her out of her horrible depression after she learns the truth about Shiny Chariot. She knows Akko is valuable and that Akkko matters, and she's not afraid to admit it, no matter if she's a member of the very famous magical Cavendish family and Akko is a nobody, socially speaking.

Lastly, no rewards... she really isn't expecting rewards, in my opinion, when she sacrifices the opportunity to take back her family's control form her villainous aunt, all be it to save Akko, her aunt and her cousins when she has to choose between both things. She's not ambitious in a reckless way. She gets rewards because of her excellence, no doubt, but she's still trying harder and getting those rewards never feels like her endgame goal because she just never stops with her overachieving tendencies xD but most importantly, unlike the Croix/Chariot conflict about who gets to be the magical blessed lady with the fancy Shiny Rod, Diana actually accepts Akko in the role of wielding the rod without much issue. She encourages her and even helps her in that process, and that's really just a testament to how selfless she is, in the end. Once more, rewards are not what she's looking for, even if by the end she earns Akko's friendship anyway.

14. Artemis Fowl - Artemis Fowl saga

This one probably should have been so much higher on the list xD but it's the problem with redemption arcs done right, sometimes they just escape your notice because they're solid character arcs, so solid you barely recognize them for what they were xD

Artemis Fowl, IN THE BOOKS, is designed to be a 12-year-old villainous boy. It's really that simple. He's the titular character, but he's by design the villian of his own book and that's honestly a really fun narrative choice. The heroic character standing opposite to him, Holly (an elf), gets kidnapped by Artemis, who demands for a huge ransom from the fairies for the safe return of their captured LEPrecon officer :'D it might sound silly but it's a pretty fun story as it was. Artemis gets moments when he can be the actual kid he is, but mostly, he acts like an adult in the body of a boy and that's why he's such a ridiculously fun character.

Of course, Artemis has motivations to act the way he does, and it's possible that those motivations are the most humane part of him for the bulk of the story: he wants to help heal his mother's very severe mental illnesses during the first book, caused by his father's disappearance. Then, he also wants to find his father and patch his family back up once more. He achieves both goals... through slightly questionable means in the first case, through slightly less questionable ones in the second one. He does a lot of sketchy stuff all along, and he's very unconcerned with consequences until they literally punch him in the face :'D he has a bodyguard who he assumes will protect him from harm 24/7/365... and that assumption makes Artemis a lot more vulnerable than he realizes he is. For, if that bodyguard isn't around, yes, he's going to get punched in the face. But more than that, he's going to struggle with certain situations and problems where he has to be put to the test in order to really survive dangerous situations.

His bodyguard's last name is Butler, and of course, Butler serves as Artemis's shield on the most part. The moments where you see consequences hitting Artemis are usually when Butler is out of the equation... and on one such case, he's out of the equation because of Artemis's own mistakes and terrible choices. In a reckless, foolhardy attempt to sell fairy tech to a very dangerous man, Artemis winds up walking right into the dangerous man's trap and Butler gets shot, nearly killed in the process. Butler isn't the same ever since, Artemis goes well out of his way to get help for his best friend and bodyguard, but he knows this is his fault, all in all.

Similar situations happen throughout the books, probably more of them than I can remember atm, but very often, Artemis is the one who starts his own problems and the one who has to figure them out. Sometimes he's not the one who starts the trouble, admittedly... but what matters is the times when he causes trouble and resolves it by growing as a human being in the process, evidently. Even if he's so reiterative and makes so many mistakes xD

Artemis's mistakes, to me, never felt like he was treading over the same things over and over again. At most, the situation in the Time Paradox with his mother's sudden illness felt like a possible revisit to his initial willingness to do anything for his mother... and he pays a hefty price for it because Holly realizes he's manipulated her, and their strange near-romantic relationship is frozen over before it can become any more romantic :'D that's her choice, and he accepts that. So, typically, Artemis isn't devoid of consequences in his bad choices. He faces a lot of consequences for his wrongdoings, but Holly realizes there's potential in that annoying know-it-all mastermind to be a good person, or at least a slightly better person, and she says so in Book 2. It's one of the very best scenes in Artemis Fowl altogether, once she hands him the coin that she uses to represent his potential to do good things and be better than he usually wants to be. That coin is a wonderful way to tell the readers that Artemis indeed can change, and will be allowed to grow out of his worst on his own time.

Indeed, as the story progresses, you get to see how Artemis's instinctive, insidious and curious nature changes. His willingness to unravel every mystery remains there... but it's no longer a matter of figuring things out for his benefit, or for the benefit of a few people around him (namely, his family). He discovers threats to the fairy world, he helps them fight against them, he helps keep them properly safe and hidden in their underground world, and ultimately he manages to save the whole world by sacrificing himself to put an end to a very dangerous cataclysm that the most recurrent villain of the books was ready to set in motion. Quoting what I'm seeing on Wikipedia about this last book (do cut me a little slack for having to use Wikipedia for this, I read it forever ago x'D): Colfer stated that he wanted the novel to deal with Artemis' transformation "from being a selfish criminal to a hero who is prepared to sacrifice everything for a good cause." We're talking about a character arc that was always plotted, from the get-go, to hit the points I need in redemption arcs to feel like they actually work xD so it's an ideal example of a redemption arc, in the end, and a more complicated one than most seeing as the protagonist IS the villain who needs to redeem himself.

Like I said, Artemis's every action nets him consequences. He gets away with a lot of things because he's a sly lil' shit, but all in all, he faces consequences in many ways throughout his journey. It's when he sets things right, when he shows he's not really as morally corrupt as he often acts like, that characters like Holly decide he may be worth more than he wants anyone to think he is. As the story progresses, his past mistakes come back to haunt him (such as in The Time Paradox). He has a lot of moments to reflect on his growth and he slowly fazes out his more villainous ways into a more reflective, thoughtful approach to still being a mastermind, but no longer one who's putting others at risk with his choices.

Unlearning behaviors is, yet again, the core of Artemis's journey. He makes a lot of stupid mistakes for sure, impulsive mistakes based on his persisting mastermind-y behaviors, but they are less common as the story progresses, as he faces consequences so steep and severe for his actions that he nearly watches Butler die, that he LITERALLY watches Holly die in front of him one time and he outright turns back time to save her life at all costs. He regrets things much more openly and actively seeks to make amends for his mistakes as he grows, and eventually becomes enough of a good person that he can be, indeed, the hero who is prepared to sacrifice everything (including his life, because he outright does) to do what needs to be done and save everyone else.

Lastly, as far as rewards go, I won't pretend Artemis wants no rewards whatsoever... but the rewards he's after are surprisingly selfless more often than not. The true shock in the first book comes in the form of finding out that all his heinous actions are really the actions of a child with the brainpower and the means to take it upon himself to find his father and heal his mother. That's really what he's trying to do. There's other situations where he does awful things for very stupid reasons (book 3, for instance) and regrets it later (which nets him a brainwipe as consequence for his recklessness).

But the more the story progresses, the more it feels like his interest is in discovering truths, in learning valuable things, rather than in obtaining a financial gain. Book 3 is already the last legs of his selfish criminal career, and he basically was trying to have one last attempt at being his old self before facing that he absolutely can't do that any longer. I really don't think he expected Holly to ever become his friend so I don't think he ever made choices for that sake... I do think that, once they did become friends and allies, she became a big priority for him and doing what was right by her was very important. Hence why his betrayal of her in The Time Paradox was such a rough point for both characters, and why he goes out of his way to make it up to her. Ultimately, he's trying to save his family and friends for the bulk of the books... and then, by the very last one, he's trying to save the whole world instead :'D he would have known there was a chance he might not be resurrected at all in Book 8, but he still sacrifices himself as he does and crystallizes his entire growth by doing so. It's honestly as good as it can get with a redemption arc done right, and Artemis very fortunately gets it right and practically set a standard for me, without my full awareness, of what fully-rounded redemption arcs should look like.

15. Loghain Mac Tir - Dragon Age: Origins

Another DA chracter! And this time one that's very unpopular because few people pick to keep Loghain alive because that means sacrificing your bond with Alistair, who can become your best friend, boyfriend or what-have-you if you have a positive relationship with him for most the game :'D meanwhile, Loghain's arc is very brief and you can end up missing out on A LOT if you already finished most the DLCs and such by the time he joins your party...

This being said, though, Loghain is the epitome of a good redemption arc, in his journey throughout all three games. I never ever imagined I'd like him as much as I do, but after having him become a Warden, the guy really grew on me on record time.

Basically, Loghain is your typical bad guy politician who thinks he has all the answers, has been here for ages and manipulates everything from the shadows in order to stay in power. He wants that power to repeal the Darkspawn invasion and to ensure Ferelden, his nation, stays strong forever! :'D but unfortunately he goes about it in such sketchy and terrible ways that he's always at odds with the Warden, the player character. When the Warden defeats Loghain, this guy is responsible for:

Abandoning his king on a battlefield when his duty was to send in reinforcements to save the day.

Attempting to assassinate a political rival (Arl Eamon).

Attempting to assassinate the last Warden in Ferelden (the player character).

Selling elves of the Alienage into slavery to the Tevinter Imperium.

Associating himself with a nasty-ass nobleman who murdered a whole family in order to gain more political power.

Letting said nasty-ass nobleman torture other nobles and imprison them, turning a blind eye to his BS just because.

Letting said nasty-ass nobleman take Loghain's own daughter Anora as his hostage in order to set a trap for the Warden that you inevitably have to fall into.

Lies and defames the Warden in the Landsmeet in order to present himself as the nicer guy and the true protector of Fereldan values. Particularly accuses the Warden of selling out their own to Orlais (with zero evidence) while there's evidence of HIM selling the very people from the city to a very reviled land of slavers :'D

With all this in mind, this guy is... not good news. At all. He definitely makes plenty of people on this list look like harmless puppies in comparison. He has no excuses of "I did it because I was taught to be a terrible person", or "someone else ordered me to do it", nope, Loghain makes his own choices and he's ready to die for them, as shown once you defeat him in the final one-on-one battle you have against him. So it's very easy, veeeery easy, to be tempted to just kill him and be done with it at this point... but if you don't?

If you don't, Loghain becomes a Warden. As explained above with Blackwall, Loghain's whole past is forfeit now as he becomes a Warden and all his life so far is discarded. He has to serve the very organization he DESPISES, which sounds like poetic justice... but then you discover that one of the ways in which he can serve is by DYING to kill the actual final boss of the game. So you outright get the chance to kill this man if you want to, and you even get an achievement for it! xD

But if he DOESN'T die... Loghain becomes everything a good warden has to be. He's there to support you on your decisions, to impart his wisdom, his experience, his opinions while still respecting yours far more than you imagined possible. Once you get to the expansion, Awakening, Loghain shows up at one point to check on you and I could barely BELIEVE it when he showed up. It seriously felt like seeing a good friend once again xD

Ultimately, you can kill him AGAIN in Inquisition (this guy's just always courting death, clearly) by having him stay in the Fade in Here Lies the Abyss instead of Hawke. This way, Loghain gets that final atonement for all his mistakes by sacrificing himself to help your new hero, the Inquisitor, save the world... if you let him live, he just goes right back to the Wardens and continues service for them, as expected of him.

So, once more the round-up: faces consequences for his wrongdoings? Yes, the game is literally designed to make it so xD You're the one who determines, personally, what kind of punishment suits Loghain best. If you're particularly passionate about hating him, maybe killing him is more cathartic. If you're a little more cold-blooded, you could conclude forcing him to discard his life as a politician and warrior-hero is more satisfactory a punishment since he's NOT going to enjoy his life as a Warden in the slightest. Either choice implicates a punishment for Loghain and it ultimately sits with you, the player, to choose which one you think is more fitting (also at the potential cost of losing Alistair, like I mentioned earlier). If the choice is made for him to die, there's no real redemption arc imo. He doesn't get to set his wrongs right, so evidently when I talk about redemption arc, I mean it's when Alistair is gone (whether as king or abandoning the Wardens for good) and Loghain becomes a Warden. Then he can correct his bad behavior indeed, by no longer being a force of separation that causes extra trouble in a very troubled nation that he was trying to save in his own way. Now he has to work alongside the main character and fight at his best to protect his nation. Basically, his goal wasn't wrong, it's the same one you have: it's his choices and methods that aren't correct, and that's exactly what he gets to fix when you let him become a Warden with you. Even after he's no longer a companion, Loghain becomes an old friend you're actively happy to see in Awakening, as briefly as you do, and in his choices and actions during Inquisition you can actually feel he makes the most sense in the role of the "good Warden", due to his experience and his knowledge of what a corrupt leader with very controversial choices looks like. In the end, his arc works very well because there's really no room at all for him to fall back on old bad habits and behaviors. As abrasive and nasty as he may be with some of your companions during interactions, Loghain's still proving, upon getting this chance to be a Warden, that he's a better man than the bulk of the game's storyline ever let you see him as.

Lastly, there's really no reward in this for Loghain. He wants Ferelden free and safe, that's all he cares about, and he thinks nobody else can guarantee this but himself: that's what drives him to make all the horrible choices I listed up there. When you defeat him in combat, it becomes apparent to Loghain that he's wrong: YOU can do what he thought only he could. In fact, he decides maybe you're the one who truly should do it, the force of unity Ferelden needs, not himself. And ultimately, that's what matters to him: thus, once he becomes a Warden, Loghain doesn't seem particularly bitter about the outcome. All he really wants is Ferelden's safety. Would he have preferred it if said safety had come about without him becoming a Warden? I have no doubts about it xD but I do think that he's not that resentful with his lot in life because his true priorities, his country and his daughter, are saved by your actions as leader of the Wardens and the defenses of Ferelden.

In short... Loghain pulls it off really well for a guy who has a virtual neon sign screaming "I'M THE BAD GUY" hanging over his head for most the story. It's honestly pretty impressive that Loghain gets such a good arc on such short notice, because there's really not that much room for him to really interact with the rest of the party and become a good friend and ally to your main character. Even so... it works so damn well that, once again, I was absolutely blown away when I saw him standing in the Vigil's Keep, greeting me like an old friend, checking on me right before taking off to his new Warden assignment. Maybe I'm too much of a softie in some cases xD but when it came to Loghain, I really found myself far too attached to the guy when I used to think I'd NEVER want anything to do with him. It's a really good storyline and I'm very happy that bringing him into the team is a possibility the game extends to you, no matter if I don't choose it all that often. I really think people who haven't experienced bringing Loghain with them should do it at least once in a playthrough xD it might not have the same effect on them as it did on me, but I'll say, his arc is definitely better than many I've seen out there. Definitely worth the shot if just to experience a very effective, very strong redemption arc in a short span of time.

16. Phil Connors - Groundhog Day

Lastly, what I suspect may be the actual quintessential redemption arc in the history of cinema: the very famous character portrayed by Bill Murray in Groundhog Day.

I don't even know if it's necessary to recap this movie because I feel like everyone would know it xD but in case it's necessary, Phil is a weatherman for a TV network who gets sent to a Punxsutawney in Philadephia, a town well known for its Groundhog tradition: if the groundhog sees its own shadow, this will somehow determine whether the winter will be longer or shorter. It's very ridiculous, hence why Phil doesn't want to be there to begin with :'D

Phil, however, is an asshole. He's a self-absorbed guy with a narcissistic complex, whose entire existence revolves around his needs, his interests and his advancement. Thus, when he gets stuck in a time loop that forces him to relive February 2nd for an indefinite amount of time (according to Wikipedia, possibly around 34 years worth of repetitions?), his entire life falls to pieces. The first few times the loop happens, he's confused. Eventually, he decides to make the most of it and goes completely buckwild with his time loop, doing whatever he wants and even whoever he wants, taking advantage of his "you can always start over" situation in order to learn more about people, find out how to obtain money whenever he wants to, to trick complete strangers into thinking they've known him forever... up until it stops going as well as he wants it to, when his co-worker Rita won't get swept up by his charms no matter how hard he tries (in fact, his persistence and weirdness makes her reject him sooner each time :'D). Eventually, Phil reaches such a low point... that he starts committing suicide in the hopes that this is what will break him out of the loop. But after dying, he still wakes up again, every day, and it's still February 2nd, every day.

His desperation eventually sees him coming clean to Rita and telling her everything. She's intrigued, though she doesn't believe him at first, and they spend a whole day testing if he truly knows EVERYTHING, and in the end it looks like he does, because he's already spent forever in this town and knows everyone :'D Their day together is much better this time, but it leaves Phil with the idea to make something better of himself once he wakes up, on February 2nd, without Rita yet again. Their one good day, totally erased.

Thus, Phil's journey into being a better guy begins. It's devastating when he finally decides he's going to help an old beggar on the street, only for the beggar to die because it's what's fated to happen that day, basically. He tries and tries, but it never works and that particular situation always made me sad as a child :'D but Phil starts to do good things all around, to even try things he never had before like playing the piano, he finds out about basically every tragedy and troublesome thing that could happen on a given day in the town, and he has a whole routine to help each person that needs him, one after the other. Eventually, Rita finds herself utterly mindblown upon seeing how much different he is from the Phil she knew on February 1st xD and she starts to develop real feelings for him too. He of course is in love with her, but he's taken for granted that nothing lasts and he just makes the most of the time he's given each day. In a very unexpected way, Phil seems to find peace in this time loop...

... And that's exactly when the time loop breaks.

This movie is called Groundhog Day. It could basically be called "Redemption Arc" instead. That's the entire point of the whole movie. That's the character arc Phil is on. There's no way he breaks this loop until he becomes a better person, and that's that: the loop obeys no logic, no reason, it's just happening, there are no instructions, no understandable motives... it's just something that happens to this one unpleasant stuck-up guy in town. Nobody else was affected by the loop, only him. And the only way the loop breaks, because he basically tested EVERYTHING, all the way to killing himself, was by becoming a better man.

The loop is the obvious consequence to Phil being an asshole: he's stuck in February 2nd until he breaks his own curse of being a dick to everyone he knows :'D Unlearned behaviors are, as ever, what the final chunk of the movie is about. As for the rewards... he got the great reward indeed of breaking the loop, but like I said, he never expected it. He's completely shocked when the radio sounds different on February 3rd, when life finally, suddenly, gets started again once he does things the right way at last. His relief is huge... but his lessons stick with him. At the start, Phil wants nothing to do with Punxsutawney and he can't wait to leave: when the movie ends, he asks Rita to live in this town with him. One would think that, after being stuck in the town for all that time, Phil's first instinct would be to LEAVE, at once xD but instead, such is the peace he found in this place that he's outright fond of it now. This has become so important in his life that he's ready to spend another lifetime in Punxsutawney, but this time willingly. He's grown to genuinely love the place he's in, and like I said, to feel such peace there that he'd settle there forever.

Frankly, this one is bound to be the first redemption arc I was ever exposed to, and that I remembered it last is shameful of me xD but it's yet another case of a redemption arc so strong that the movie outright has become a classic and is frequently considered one of the best movies of all time. I watched this one when I was very young and it stuck with me ever since. The way Phil's redemption isn't something anyone forces him to do, but something he, himself, chooses to do for the first time in his life, makes this arc work smoothly. It's especially important to me that we don't even know for how long Phil has been stuck (by watching the movie only), and we don't even know how many times Phil improved himself, his actions and choices all the way into that final timeloop day, where he finally breaks his own curse. It hits every important point for a redemption arc in the best of ways, so frankly, with a movie of this magnitude, with a narrative devoted exclusively to a redemption arc, it's magnificent that it delivers upon its premise seamlessly.

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And I guess that's what I've got at the moment xD I really didn't want to drop this ask with just 3-4 examples so I've been adding to it gradually ever since you first sent the ask until I finally felt I had enough redemption arcs to at least give you a comprehensive idea on what really comprises a quality redemption arc for me, and why certain arcs don't reach me the way they intended to.

While I have no doubts Zuko's arc was indeed intended in this manner, I've analyzed him probably a little more thoroughly than I should have, and there's too many elements in which the show comes close to attaining the right components for my standard of a good redemption arc, and then they shirk things away and dial up the elements that, to me, don't matter at all (you've always been good deep down and that's more important than all those times when you were bad and never owned up to it, your mistakes are not your fault because you have a sad backstory, you're allowed to repeat toxic behaviors and commit mistakes you allegedly learned from because you say you're good now and we believe that's true even if we're seeing you haven't changed all that much, everyone needs to forgive you because you're changing your ways and if they're not forgiving you that easily we'll find a way to make it happen extra fast so you can have every reward we want you to get).

It's really frustrating to me with Zuko because it really wasn't that hard to get it right... and it's extra frustrating because people keep using him as a standard for redemption arcs in spite of all the gaps in logic and reasoning within his redemption arc. I have better and worse days with Zuko, the latter frequently happen whenever I bump into his classic, irritating fans who seem to think he can do no wrong and who throw fits of rage every time you want to bring Azula's struggles to the table instead, to say one thing, because the whole world should revolve around Zuko and his pain, and Azula had it super easy and she's a selfish asshole for not suffering over her brother 24/7. On those better days, though, I can see Zuko with slightly more neutral eyes and I can absolutely tell the issue in his writing comes from a lot of inexperience in the writing team, not nearly enough screentime devoted to what actually matters, and even a lack of understanding, by the show's own writers, of what Zuko's growth process really required in order to truly work. Have all the wholesome relationships you want to have between uncle and nephew: Zuko still didn't learn the most crucial lessons someone in his position should have, lessons his beloved uncle absolutely could have taught him if only the writers had bothered making it so. Unfortunately, they didn't.

Fortunately, I can at least point to 16 other characters who got things right that Zuko didn't, 16 other redemption arcs that hit the nail on the head of what redemption TRULY is about, and show us how characters in villainous or antagonistic roles absolutely can turn around and become so much more than they originally were meant to be (all the way to even becoming some of the most compelling, if not the absolute most compelling, characters in their respective stories).

I may update this in the future with more characters if I can think of more, but I'd hope these 16 are a good starting point. I know there are a few others out there who are solid choices too, but admittedly, I'm not a real expert on their stories and there are arguments that can be made against their redemption arcs being great. Anakin and Vegeta, for instance, came to mind: the redemption in Anakin's case is the whole climax of the original Star Wars trilogy, but while we see him making such a pivotal choice, we don't exactly see the journey of growth that I'm usually looking for. Vegeta, on the other hand, has occasional regressions to very unpleasant behaviors because, to be fair, he's violent and aggressive by nature, so even when he changes, there's a side of him that will always be like that. The difference, I suppose, hinges on how he exteriorizes it later in life... but as I haven't watched Dragon Ball in full in a LONG time, I can't fully attest that his growth process is perfect and works wonders. Same is true for Piccolo, both can be good examples of redemption but I definitely don't feel qualified to analyze them as I am :'D There's also some debate regarding a character from She-Ra, Catra... I've seen people say her redemption arc is garbage, just as I've seen people say it's the best one they ever saw. Me? Well... I never watched She-Ra :'D so I have zero judgment on her redemption arc because I have no basis to judge it at all xD Still, if anyone who watched that show wants to know whether or not I'd approve of her redemption arc, the three key points are right there: does she face consequences for her misdeeds? Does she unlearn her toxic behaviors? Does she undergo the entire process of growth and change without doing it just for the sake of an eventual reward? If so, then her redemption would work for me. If any of these elements is missing... then she wouldn't make it on this list even if I watch that show. Yep, simple as that.

Okay... I hope this veeeeeeeeeeery long post is thorough enough to address both what I want in redemption arcs, as well as offering examples of various redemption arcs that fulfilled my requirements! Thanks for the ask and for the excuse to ramble about characters I love xD

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The Masked Singer Season 6 Episode 1 Recap: Group A Premiere Baby!! (Commentary & Guesses)

Hello everybody and welcome or welcome back to Ana's Masked Singer recap, where I, Ana, recap every single episode of The Masked Singer. The time we have been waiting for is here, the season 6 premiere (ooh that rhymes)! If you don't know how these recaps work, pretty much I talk about the reveals first (major spoiler alert by the way ⚠️) and then get into the remaining contestants, what I thought about their performances, guesses to who I think it could be with the clues to back it up the best I can. Anyways, having said that, let's get started with the 1st recap of season 6 (which is covering the Wednesday episode, Thursday's will be covered separately):

In this episode, Group A performed which consisted of Bull 🐂, Skunk 🦨, Octopus 🐙, Pufferfish 🐡, and Mother Nature 🌬 and 2 of them were eliminated, but only one was revealed this episode, damn cliffhangers, and that mask was:

Octopus 🐙

Performance Commentary: I was honestly so sad to see him go this early in the season, because I really enjoyed his performance of Tutti Frutti by Little Richard. He probably wasn't the most technical singer but for (spoiler) a non singer he did pretty great! I would buy his album.

Having said that, he was revealed to be:

*FIRST DRUMROLL OF THE SEASON PLEASE*

🏀Dwight Howard 🏀

Ok I kinda figured it out even though I don't know anything about the sports world... But he is one of the few names I do know in the NBA (my dad's a huge sports guy and I might have seen a meme of him falling so that too). Anyways, can I for one second, point out how tall this guy is?! He makes Nick Cannon look tiny…and Nick is 6 feet! It was so funny… I also was surprised at how funny he was… but yeah Clues, here are some you might have missed or gotten idk:

Survived a hard core fall= yup like he legit fell and hurt himself, which really hurt his game & probably his career

Gold phone= won the 2019-2020 championship with the Lakers

Magic playing card= eight seasons he played for Orlando Magic

Also, I gotta note that Ken got it right and is in the lead for the Golden Ear and that shocked me more.

Next, this mask was also eliminated, but wasn't revealed until episode 2, so I'm just gonna talk about the performance and that was:

Mother Nature 🌬

Performance Commentary: I'm not going to say I didn't see this coming, because her performance of I'm Coming Out by Diana Ross was the weakest one vocally of the night. However I still enjoyed her as a performer/entertainer and that costume is unreal like wow it reminds me of Te Fiti from Moana (look it up if you don’t know what I am talking about)

Anyways, let's get into the remaining 3 and my guesses for them *

*I just want to preface that I knew I wasn't going to have time to do this recap in between the 2 episodes, so I wrote my guess for this one mask down before they were revealed

1. Skunk 🦨

Performance Commentary: The beginning was super cool and so well staged, kudos to the producers on that one, but I was pretty underwhelmed with her performance of Diamonds by Sam Smith. Like, that's a great song, but I don't feel it suits her voice & range of what she's capable of doing. All in all, it was ok, nothing wowing about it, even though I do think her voice is very strong.

As for my guess, I think Shunk is:

Faith Evans

Ok, so this was a guess I got thanks to Twitter, voice matched it, and I am sold honestly… idk who Faith was until now, she was married to Notorious B.I.G, but that’s all I know. Anyways, let’s dive into those clues, shall we:

She was on a train to Seoul, South Korea= Soul Train! = she was honored with a lifetime achievement award in 2018 by Soul Train

Duality/yin and yang of the Skunk= she has a song that references Ying Yang in the lyrics called Goin’ Out

Her connection to Elvis= she devoted a song to her late husband Biggie called “The King & I” and Elvis is the king of rock and roll

2. Pufferfish 🐡

Performance Commentary: She sang Say So by Doja Cat, which I mostly know the entire song due to Tik Tok, so I hope people also use her version because it’s super solid. When I was watching at first, I was thrown off by the rapping, but now watching it back, I embraced it. It wasn’t the best rapping ever but it was dope ngl seeing a woman like that also kill a rap. I really enjoyed tbh more than I did the first time when I thought her voice wasn’t really at its full potential.

My guess for the Pufferfish is:

Toni Braxton

After voice matching Pufferfish with Toni, the voice is uncanny! But you need some clues baby boos so here we go:

Voice stands out, she was different, tried to blend in= no like seriously, because everyone knew it was her because Toni has a super distinct voice no one else has

Disco ball= home girl performed on season 7 of Dancing with the Stars, get it disco ball, mirror ball like the trophy they win

Guitarra= she has a hit song called Spanish Guitar, and guitar in Spanish is you guessed it Guitarra

3. Bull 🐂

Performance Commentary: He sang Drops of Jupiter by Train, and wow HE GOT VOCALS FOR DAYSSS (what he ain’t is shy so stop lying my guy). He is absolutely my favorite of the night, his voice is absolute butter, raspy butter… yes I did just say that but you know what I mean (if you don’t, it’s those nice raspy voices that are so smooth like butter). You could tell he is used to performing and singing, because wow that performance was absolutely fantastic.

Even though he was amazing, he was also super easy to guess because from the first damn note (actually from the first damn sneak peak preview they gave us of him singing), I knew who this was:

Todrick Hall (finally those hours watching YouTube as a teen are paying off lol)

Before I even get to the clues, just so you guys know, I have been watching Todrick since like 2014 on YouTube and I know his voice and his mannerisms and how he performs and that Bull ticks all the boxes… I don’t even need clues but to show you my point in the form of evidence, lemme back myself up with these sweet, sweet clues (side note: I could even hear his voice through the modulation, which was crazy):

Grew up in a small town filled with cows= yes sir, he grew up in Plainview, Texas which is a small farming town with less than 25,000 people living there (and I am sure when he lived there it was smaller than that) and filled with cows which at first I thought was a metaphor but looking into it I find out Plainview has the largest beef processing plant in the country… hence cows lol

Heard no again and again and again= reference to how he was on American Idol and then lost the show

Didn’t give up, became his own boss= that American Idol loss got him to start YouTube hence being his own boss

Hollywood and Forbes took notice= he has appeared in the 30 under 30 successful people list by Forbes in 2014

Astronaut aka Hunter Hayes= he covered Invisible by Hunter Hayes on his YouTube channel (which is my absolute favorite Hunter Hayes song so you go Todrick… but that video was actually recently sent to private so you kinda can’t see it… also that was a bit sus)

Anyways, that’s it my friends! Sorry it took so long, have had a lot on my plate with school, work, and just life you know? Anyways, I will try to get episode 2 up tomorrow, but expect it before Wednesday for sure 🤞🏼… Anyways, bye guys! Follow me for more Masked Singer goodness, give this beautiful blog a like if you enjoyed reading it, and comment below your guesses, do you agree with me? Did I convince you? Bye y’all!! 👋🏼