#tolerance paradox

[system-of-a-feather]

I honestly fully agree and understand the concept of the "paradox of tolerance" or whatever its called where you have to be intolerant to intolerance to be tolerant, but - potentially hot take - most people use it too early and as a means justify not engaging with differing opinions and thus just honestly being intolerant / generating echo chambers

[victusinveritas]

[spacedadsupport]

Jean-Luc Picard @SpaceDadSupport Tolerance for others is not the same as being their willing door mat. You are not required to silence your own needs as part of recognising and respecting someone else's. 3:20 PM · Jan 8, 2024

[cuddlefishbandit]

Exactly. What are you willing to lose/give/protect when the cards are laid out on the table?

Reminds me of that Jewish phrase that goes something like, “being merciful to the cruel is a cruelty to the unjust” and I’m just like, hell yeah. Being kind by itself isn’t enough.

You have to stand for something.

you know how there used to be all those posts going around like “I don’t know any political theory, it’s not hard to have good politics, it’s called being a decent person” type stuff, where it’s like okay, well, if it works it works. but this year more than ever has convinced me that actually it’s really important to have political values to fall back on even in cases of high emotion, e.g. anti-imperialism or bodily autonomy. feelings like kindness, empathy, concern, just on their own, are politically neutral and can just as easily motivate conservative or even fascist political positions. you know. like what happens to empathy-based politics when it’s people whose lives are very different from yours, or where there’s a culturally-ingrained bias against seeing them as people, or if they are just interpersonally offputting and unlikeable. like how etiquette is for being polite when you’re not “feeling it”, you need something to fall back on, a metric to evaluate what a “just society” looks like for people you don’t personally know and/or like. am I making sense here

[atlxolotl]

[writervmillzyy]

“We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.” — Karl Popper

[asleepies]

I applied for a job at a sticker place that sounds perfect for me except they emphasized their beliefs in Free Speech™️ so I’m a little worried the “counterculture” they claim to love is the “racism is funny” kind.

[raisondetriment]

"To respect the free will of all beings means to respect when one has made themselves an obstacle to a kinder world."

Brennan Lee Mulligan, Exandria Unlimited: Divergence Episode 2, when Rei'nia Saph came into her power as a Level 1 Cleric

[notaplaceofhonour]

a free & open society is as essential for freedom of speech as freedom of speech is for the existence of a free & open society.

whether or not it is technically legal under the 1st amendment or “freedom of speech” to fly the flags of authoritarian terrorist regimes that kill citizens for criticizing them, or denying their atrocities, or echoing their propaganda is irrelevant; the promotion of these regimes is an existential threat to the very free & open society that would allow free speech in the first place, and cannot be tolerated if free speech is to be protected.

this is the issue articulated in karl popper’s “paradox of tolerance”; tolerance demands society cannot tolerate intolerance.

[rata-novus]

so say you're a streamer, and say you don't want to say anything too politically divisive and remain a safe, welcoming space for all. also say someone sends a tts dono requesting you to say something positive about a marginalized group and you decline, for the reason stated previously. and let's also say several of your mods are openly bigoted maga supporters on social media. i don't think it's a wild nor unfair leap to see how one of these groups would feel less welcome than the other. just saying.

[ezekieltobiasfletcher]

"...in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance."

Paradox of Tolerance

I am now prepared, at a moment's notice, to stand opposite of Trump's cultists. There were some MAGA people on Main Street in town today, with their signs of hate, and I can no longer abide by them. I will no longer tolerate their intolerance. I will show people that Trump's idea of America is not the ideal I grew up with. I am tired of being afraid of being queer. I'm tired of being afraid of being afraid. I do not want that for my children, my partner, and my loved ones. I want life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for all human beings, not just a privileged few. It is time to screw my courage to the sticking-place, And we'll not fail! 🇺🇲🏳️‍🌈

[bisexualbaker]

[Image: A Powerpoint-slide-like image about the Paradox of Tolerance. A paradoxically drawn cube is in the upper right corner. Text follows.]

The Paradox of Tolerance disappears if you look at tolerance, not as a moral standard, but as a social contract.

If someone does not abide by the terms of the contract, then they are not covered by it.

In other words: The intolerant are not following the rules of the social contract of mutual tolerance.

Since they have broken the terms of the contract, they are no longer covered by the contract, and their intolerance should NOT be tolerated.

inspired by "Tolerance is not a moral precept" by Yontan Zunger. Made by ZmemeZ.

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Updated to correct a typo, with thanks to @lierdumoa for pointing it out.

[rickmctumbleface]

[palatinewolfsblog]

"In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance." This is the so-called tolerance paradox of the philosopher Karl Popper. In other words, when a tolerant society tolerates intolerant worldviews, that is not just the end of tolerance. Ultimately it's the end of this society...

[bpdnchill]

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