I dont wanna get myself involved in any more ZADR discourse, but I also don't want misinfo to spread around and people to get discouraged or anything like I had been for a while. So I'm going to say this: Zim in Invader Zim is most likely a child.
There are a plethora of reasons I think this, but if you don't care then scroll. I'm going to provide my reasoning under the cut.
My first reason is that from a writing standpoint, there is absolutely nothing appealing about the dynamic between Dib and Zim if Zim is an adult. What would or do you find enjoyment out of their dynamic if they are not meant to be foils of one another like the show HEAVILY implies them to be NUMEROUS TIMES? If Zim is a child, their dynamic becomes "2 children want parental approval and go against each other for it, when in reality the approval and love they seek is unattainable because the parental figures will never give them it. They would be better off being friends or allies, but instead keep fighting to be loved because they're dumb kids and don't realize that it's fruitless and dumb". If Zim is an adult, their dynamic becomes "Immature man cannot beat child". What is to be enjoyed or explored there?
My second reason is that Zim acts like a child in a multitude of different ways. His interactions with The Tallest, his general immaturity, and even how he surrounds himself. He goes to school. He has made himself robot parents to support that idea. He needs different disguises to act like an adult. Again, from a writing standpoint, if he was an adult infiltrating a school building and pretending to be a kid, that's just fucking weird. I don't think Jhonen is that type of person. I don't think the writers are that type of people.
Also on this subject is the episode Tak: The Hideous New Girl. At the point of the episode, Zim was trying to impress and "crush on" and be the boyfriend of this middle school girl. It doesn't matter if Tak was actually irken. It doesn't matter if she is the same age as him actually. It doesn't change that Zim was trying to get into a human relationship with what he thought was a middle school girl. If he is an adult, that's pretty fucking weird. Again, I don't think Jhonen is that type of person and I don't think the writers are that type of people.
The "flying ships before you were born" only proves that on Irk, he was an adult or at least the age that would permit him to fly ships. Calendars are manmade, why would irkens use the same years? Zim's age could also easily translate into human years into the late tween years. We also have to think logically about things.
Also, I sometimes feel like people are forgetting that Irk is a dystopian society. They are a hyper-militarized alien race that codes people's brains on the daily and does not wait for the children to grow up even a little before they start military training (or, at least training for military training). What morals prevent them from using child labor or child soldiers? We also have to remember that in accordance to The Trial, Zim was a smeet or older allowed into violent chemicals and resources that can kill, like it did Tallest Miyuki and Tallest Spork. That, in a way, proves that Irkens are not above dangerous child labor.
One other argument I have is that in Enter The Florpus, during the species change clip, Zim, Dib and Gaz switch species. The thing is, Dib and Gaz look the same as Zim in this clip. They don't become little smeets, they don't become tiny kids. They become Zim's age. Zim also does not become an old man in this clip. He stays the same as Dib and Gaz. Being that these are their canon human/irken translations, I don't see how someone could still defend this.
You could take all of this and say "Okay, but ZADR is still proship because they are abusive to each other so why are you so pressed". But like I said in a previous post, there is a major difference between "haha 2 people fight each other n get hurt haha" and "this adult man is grooming this child sexually". That's not funny. That isn't cartoony. That is a fully serious topic taken seriously in every single media that it is represented in. Cartoony unserious fighting has been a staple for years in animation and media. Grooming is not cartoony. That is why so many people have a problem with it. Some people don't enjoy shipping things that are seriously fucked up in the real world like that, or shipping proships.
This all started because of one singular tweet Jhonen made that you all believed. I bet if he tweeted "guys invader zim didnt actually happen and dib was hallucinating the whole time, lmao dream theory is canon", some of you would believe it.
I leave you off with this: "If it looks, sounds & acts like a kid, it's a kid, no matter if it's actually 1000 years old or not."
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It really is interesting to look at the difference in the initial reception to Astarion and Lae’zel
And don’t get me wrong, they’re very different- Astarion is snarky, Lae’zel is abrasive, Astarion prefers manipulative tactics to solve problems, Lae’zel likes to take things head on
But they’re also similar in a lot of ways. They both disapprove of the MC going out of their way to help people, and they both approve of actions that are underhanded or confrontational. They both view the people around them as things to be used. They both view themselves as things to be used. They’ve both been denied any mercy or compassion themselves, and they’ve learned to see those traits as a weakness in others.
And they both have character growth. We don’t see it right away of course, but I think anyone who’s played an rpg like this before would come into the game expecting to see companion arcs where their beliefs are challenged and their backstories are explored and they can be influenced by the MC to develop a different outlook than the one they started out with
So yeah. It’s interesting to see how the initial overall reaction to these two characters was to get really excited over one and put in the effort to get to know them and explore their story and potential character growth…and to just write the other one off as a bitch
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i really think blue thinks jared pulled a janey s6 and dumped kenzo in a dr segment or something bc last night they were talking about her and jared goes “would you be upset if i wished her happy birthday” and she was like “i would feel awful for her bc you’re in here fooling around with me, seems kinda rude” like she called it “unnecessary” which really makes me think that blue is just deluding herself about this. she also sounded (imo) kinda bummed when he said he saw it “differently” aka it’s fine that he’s messing with blue while shouting out kenzo.
i know we’ve all kinda dragged her for fooling around with jared when she knows he’s in a relationship, but i do kinda feel for her emotionally bc i think BLUE thinks that even if this doesn’t last long, they have genuine feelings for each other & it’s something they want to explore for real & he’s not gonna throw away a years long relationship on a whim. which is clearly the wrong read lmao.
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