#C! WILBUR IS FUCKING AMERICAN

[mcmoth]

yknow. I wouldn't exactly call it a satisfactory ending, personally, but. Goddamn if that isn't the funniest fucking thing he could have done. One of the most influental characters of the Dream smp. After countless gruelling plotlines and twists and heartaches. After us expecting him to fucking kill himself. Turns out to end his Whole Story by dimension hopping to the Real Fucking World apparently just to return to fucking Utah. You can't make this shit up 💀

[lilypads17]

im losing my mind

[houxe]

Regarding my SBI/DSMP Fics

TW: Abuse, Trauma, and Mentions of Suicide.

With all that has happened, I did want to come out here and make my stance clear. I will always stand with Shelby (Shubble) and all of the victims who are speaking out against Will Gold (Wilbur Soot). If you still support that bastard, unfollow me and leave my blog and whatever small community I made.

I've already stated this is my Discord channel, but I want to put it here too.

For me, c!Wilbur is so far removed from cc!Wilbur that I don't connect the two. The characters are vessels for my own characterizations and stories. It's a bit like writing Supernatural*, Twilight, or Hazbin Hotel fanfics. I don't support the guy, monetarily or otherwise, he does not interact with fanfics, I have plans to be very vocal that I'm on Shelby's side no matter what/make it clear that what Will did is wrong, and I don't use his real life events as plots in my stories. At least, I certainly don't try to. It's why I typically change traits about the characters. (I.e. Tommy is shorter, Phil is taller, Techno is bulky, and Wilbur always has golden/hazel eyes.)

I'm aware that it's a tad different because it's rp and not something like a full on book or an actor in a movie, but DSMP has also been over for over two years and the characterizations I make for SBI are not at all based on the CCs. Real life Techno isn't a literal terrorist, Phil ain't a father married to a goddess, Tommy is not a traumatized child soldier, and Wilbur isn't suicidal and blowing up countries.

I think I'll likely focus more on Techno, Tommy, and Phil for a while, but I'm not gonna let one dude ruin a fandom and things I've made for myself. Nothing I write is ever made for Wilbur, as I've seen people saying. Additionally, Wilbur was not the only writer. Technoblade, Philza, TommyInnit, and so many others made that story what it was. Not him.

However, if any CCs come forward saying they don't want their old characters interacting with his, I will respect that.

Though I do think there is a tendency to take real life events (i.e. Techno's cancer, LJ's music, Tommy's real life parents, etc.) and put them into fiction about DSMP. I, however, don't try to do that and have stated before that I don't feel comfortable doing so. The truth is that we have not gotten any genuine SBI content outside of DSMP for years. The dynamic in real life is very different from what was presented in the DSMP. Did personalities still bleed over? Yes, I'm not going to deny that, but I'm not going to act like they're exactly the same between character and person either. We've had that conversation like in 2021, it's why we have C! and CC!.

The rather sad truth is, SBI is what got me really into writing and it's a comfort for me that nothing can compare to. Obviously, I don't think it's appropriate to be writing certain types of stories right now or to be involving characters made by CCs outside of the DSMP. I think it's up to everyone else to decide on what they want to do, however, rushing it also isn't the way to go either. Give yourself time to heal and think it over first instead of throwing away something that gives you comfort and has not been associated with by the creators for over two years.

Anyways, fuck Will Gold. Fuck the fact that he hurt so many people, and fuck that he lied and manipulated his way around the damn internet. ESPECIALLY fuck the fact that he tried to diminish what he did and not take proper accountability.

Go and support Shelby so so much, she and everyone who spoke out really deserve it. I'm glad silence on these types of issues is not being normalized.

Here is a list of (American) resources for DV help:

TNLR

RAINN

WOAR

Love is respect

The Trevor project

Futures without violence

National domestic violence hotline

Resource on what DV and abuse looks like

*Changed it from Harry Potter to Supernatural because Harry Potter is a significantly worse and more problematic franchise, even just within the content of the books. It'd be better left in the dust. I've talked about it before, but it was the first thing that came to my mind at the time and was a poor comparison on my part, I'm truly sorry for that.

[transgenbur]

c wilbur rejecting cq to join lmanburg bc he wasn't European only to be revealed to be American at the end... internalized racism ig

IM CRYINGGG THAT WAS INSANE i dont know if it was internalised anti americanism or most likely just pettiness. i think he was just looking for excuses to fuck cq over😭😭

[screechingsandwichhologram]

l'manburg language headcanons

okay so i havent sat down and actually created a language for lmanburg but I hc that they have their own language & here are hcs for that language. its a mashup of all the languages that the members speak. i know that a language couldn't really develop in the timeframe so I'm speeding up the development because i want to.

Slang / Phrases

first, it exists withing minecraft, so internet/minecraft lingo and phrases are commonplace (ie: pots, spawn, etc)

l'manburg was born out of conflict, so many phrases and slang are often violent.

because many prolific figures (c!tommy with prime, c!wilbur with being phil's son, c!eret with the herobrine stuff, c!dream with the XD stuff) are heavily religous / associated with religion, religious phrases are also very common.

there are different words for non-canon death, a canon death, and the last canonical death (the one that kills kills you)

Actual Language

l'manburg's language is a mix of british english, french, dutch, spanish, german, latin, and ancient greek. because it is such a new language, some words are the exact same as the English (given that english is the common language) words.

all military/war words have absolutely no english ties (as to provide secrecy). most are a mix of french, latin, and ancient greek (latin and ancient greek comes from c!tommy & c!wilbur, because they were taught by c!techno)

words pertaining nationality, home, or base are a mix of french (l'-), german (-manburg), and dutch (man). Most are french.

words pertaining to money or commerce are dutch & english inspired.

words pertaining to farming are inspired by ancient greek (c!techno again)

words pertaining to government/high authority are often a mix of latin, french, and english (c!wilbur is fucking obsessed with french & latin)

anything related to food is inspired by german and ancient greek.

Context / Timeline

quackity's arrival made spanish inspired words/phrases more abundant.

schlatt made american phrases and spellings very common.

the manburg administration attempted to phase out the language, but was unsuccessful.

new lmanburg caused many more phrases based on death, nature, rot, and renewal.

new lmanburg put a lot of emphasis on philosophical, poetic, descriptive, and physiological words.

words regarding cops, police, and laws are closely tied with negative words such as evil, thief, and traitor.

manburg replaced many religious words and phrases with more neutral alternatives.

the first words created in the new language were military moves and tools.

new lmanburg's descriptive words were often enderian words translated into the latin alphabet (as c!ranboo, the minute man, was the one who used and created them)

lmanburg was often underdeveloped in governmental words pertaining to the running of a country.

okay thats all i have for rn but i might add on to this when i think of it. also if u have any questions/requests please ask i love answering questions /gen

[applespider]

I legit loved that ending, all of us expecting for it to be super serious and cc!Wilbur said “fuck that” and made us laugh. C!Tommy kind of played the role of the viewers, making all the same assumptions as us. And then c!Wilbur is actually American and he teleports back to Irl Utah and Ghostbur gets a happy ending. It just feels so Dream SMP.

I feel like nothing they could have done could’ve lived up to everyone’s expectations and so they didn’t try. They reminded us why we (or rather, I) loved Dream SMP in the first place. It was stupid, it made us laugh, it made us cry, there was nothing off limits. This stream feels like it’s come full circle, like it’s an homage to the beginning of this character. His beginnings were stupid, why shouldn’t his end be? And after all that, cc!Wilbur gave Ghostbur a happy(-ish) ending. It knocked all of us off balance, all our predictions and expectations were destroyed. And I like it that way. I like the Dream SMP that way. And this is coming from one of the most angst-loving motherfuckers out there.

So thank you Wilbur Soot. For a wild fucking two years.

[dr3amofagame]

one of the things ive always found neat about c!dreams and c!wilburs dynamic is that c!wilbur is one of the few people on the server who view themselves as equal to dream in terms of strategy and schemes!

interesting!

it's funny to me ... because i think as far as c!dream being perceived as someone specifically like plotting in nature, that was definitely something that evolved over time? like, a lot of c!dream's early reputation was rooted in two things: 1) he's intimidating and 2) he's hard to kill. which meant that people would kind of see antagonizing c!dream as a challenge, in a way, c!tommy being the most obvious example but characters such as c!tubbo, c!fundy, and c!sapnap also getting involved in the action--in general, besting dream was a sort of achievement, so like you say there was a degree of hmm putting him on a pedestal almost. or making him the pedestal might be the more accurate description, where c!dream was The Guy To Beat, Mr. 1000 IQ etc

at the same time tho, dsmp characters are nothing if not full of hubris (LOL) and i don't think c!dream's hmmm strategic genius in character and plotting is something necessarily highlighted that much early on, or at least as something that people couldn't measure up to. lmanburg directly undercuts the intelligence of the "americans" quite often in its creation, as part of the whole Spiel was that americans are idiots and a large part of why the revolution panned out the way it did was because of a relative overestimation by lmanburg of their own combatic and strategic abilities against dream smp. i think the list of people who have estimated themselves as smarter than c!dream and have tried (and failed) to outsmart him is very high tbh, gestures at c!quackity LOL but also like...idk, c!dream's intelligence in terms of the ways people view it on the server always felt ... kinda variable to me? c!dream-as-schemer was more heavily emphasized as "c!dream is someone that only every pursues anything for selfish self-interest" imo

as for the c!wilbur of it all...c!wilbur is undeniably intelligent as a character. and he doesn't particularly underestimate c!dream much, i would say--especially post-revolution, he is very aware that c!dream is an enemy that he doesn't want to have. but at the same time, c!wilbur has a pattern of making somewhat mocking comments particularly about c!dream's intelligence (and when not mocking, sometimes a little...condescending? very much emphasizing the whole "ohhh he's 1000 IQ dream he's so much above all of us" and such) (god. dont remind me of the trivia competition) and also quite fucking easily talks circles around c!dream and does use this to his benefit. then again, i wouldn't say c!wilbur is as strategically minded as c!dream, necessarily--his strengths tend to lie elsewhere. something similar can be said about his "scheming"--even the most successful of his arguable schemes, lmanburg, snowballs quite quickly into something beyond his original intentions and then kind of consumes him.

this is a whole lot of words for a whole lot of nothing, but ig my point is when talking abt characters and intelligence, there's a lot you can say in 1) pinpointing specific areas of intelligence 2) assessing their prowess in each individual area and 3) looking at their ability to assess their own skill in this area as well as the skill of others. in general, i would say that characters on the dream smp tend to underestimate c!dream's strategic skill (or else more people would probably be questioning the whole, staged finale of it all) and their assessment of his scheming tends to be pretty dependent on how much they can use said assessments on his schemes as a vehicle to blame him, lmao (gestures at the mexican lmanburg debates). so from this perspective id say that there are quite a few characters that do think themselves as quote-unquote "smarter" than c!dream and able to out-strategize, out-scheme him (whether or not they're actually capable of this fact) and that if we're talking abt specifically c!dreambur, id say that a post specifically on their perspectives of each other would be MUCH MUCH MUCH longer and much more complicated, on a whole c!wilbur does seem pretty cognizant of the fact that their strengths intellectually lie in different areas and utilizes this in interactions that involve the two. if this makes sense

[anonymous-dentist]

Hi anon, sorry to bring the sbi family fanfic discussion again and for the long post , (your posts ware what made realize why i hated this thing so much)

I don’t know if is the same type of fans but i noticed that some ficwritters that are really foucused on philza and wilbur (and sbi family i think?) Are kinda trying to add cellbit to this situation? Like i read some philza focused fanfic where he interacts with cellbit and the ficwritters act like cellbit is his kid? Its weird idk how to explain very well (this is also the same people that kinda write cellbit as a native english speaker (american and european) and not a brazilian (its something that is too hard to explain right now)

And its kinda stressing me out because cellbit is written in such a weid way and its infesting the spiderbit tag lol and i dont understand what is going on half of the time since idk what the hell sbi even is (brazilian with 0 understanding about english speaking mcty)

Sorry for the long post

Oh yeah no I don’t really get it but like. I also do! Because q!Phil has become one of only a literal handful of people on the island to actually properly trust q!Cellbit and so they’re like. Friends. But obviously you can never just be friends with someone not your age and so. Fandom assigned family dynamic. It’s super weird and lowkey like. Idk it’s just weird lol.

A discussion surely must follow!

First, a brief rundown of SBI:

SBI is Sleepy Boys Inc., a group made of up streamers Philza, Wilbur Soot, Tommyinnit, and Technoblade. (Originally it was just Phil, Wilbur, and Techno, but Tommy wiggled his way in somehow.) They’re Best Friends, but somewhere along the way their fandoms said. Fuck it. Family dynamic… mostly because the ccs lowkey thought it was funny and ran with it. Wilbur alone would rather die than not have Philza Minecraft be his father

This dynamic spread to their characters on the dsmp despite them literally not once ever referring to each other all as family; iirc Techno himself said he at least wasn’t part of the family because that dynamic would be fucked up after all the shit his character did to both c!Wilbur and c!Tommy. But c!Phil was c!Wilbur’s father even though he did fully murder his ass, and Wilbur and Tommy were brothers because they’re Wilbur and Tommy and you’d have to kill them to stop them from being brothers. Tommy was never established to be c!Phil’s son, and Phil never seemed to consider him one

But then the dsmp started dying around summer 2021 and everyone was kinda just left with fanon, and SBI fanon can get weird. I’m talking borderline fetishistic nuclear family stuff, especially when you get into ‘Dark SBI’ content with Phil kidnapping Tommy or whatever and forcibly making them family? It gets weird, take a look through the tag sometime

The thing with a lot of these fics is that like. It’s gotten to a point where it’s a fandomized version of both cc! and c!SBI with some really freaky characterizations and some really diehard fans. I’ve talked about that before, so I won’t do it again.

The weirdest thing I’ve noticed about these fics, though- and this goes back to what we were talking about with Cellbit inexplicably being added to the mix all of a sudden- is that everybody has to be a family.

You’ll be hard pressed to find a SBI fic where the characters have friends. Even Tubbo and Ranboo, usually delegated to a ‘Tommy’s friend!’ role despite them not interacting much like as a group ever are treated either as extensions of Tommy himself or as his found family ‘brothers’ who Phil also inevitably helps take care of rather than as friends, and they act that way. Niki isn’t usually ever written in as Wilbur’s friend, she’s Benchtrio’s sister/mother-figure, or she’s described as Wilbur’s found family sister. Jack Manifold? Lumped in with Niki with Benchtrio as their older brother/father-figure. Quackity? Either Wilbur’s boyfriend, thus a member of the family, or Tommy’s older brother/father-figure.

Even characters who never really interacted with SBI as a “family” on the dsmp get this treatment: you’ll read an SBI fic with c!Purpled in it and he’ll be Tommy’s brother figure. c!Sam is Tommy’s father figure. Schlatt is Tommy’s uncle or Wilbur’s brother. Puffy is an aunt. Sapnap and Dream? Tommy’s brother or father figures. Even Hannah is being written as Tommy’s cool older sister figure these days despite only really interacting with him once on the smp

And you can see this kind of behavior continuing now in the qsmp fandom… if the new ccs/characters in question aren’t “problematic”. Chayanne can’t see Techno as a personal hero, he has to see him as an older brother or an uncle. Tubbo is Phil and Fit’s son and Tommy’s brother. Niki is Tallulah’s mom. Quackity is Wilbur’s boyfriend.

What you’ll actually be hard pressed to see is this kind of dynamic with Phil and other, “problematic” ccs, aka ccs who aren’t like. English ccs.

Because you won’t find q!Forever included in the family dynamics despite him basically being q!Phil’s best friend and closest confidant. It took longer for q!Missa to be added to Phil’s wiki page than it did for Techno to despite them literally being explicit canon husbands, and you’ll be lucky if Missa is even mentioned in a “qsmp” SBI fic. Etoiles? Not even mentioned despite him and Phil more or less actually leaning into the family dynamic with the “brothers” thing. Even Tallulah and Chayanne are left out or mischaracterized in “qsmp” SBI fics, giving Tommy the spotlight.

You won’t find nearly anybody who isn’t an English cc in these fics, and this is NOT accusing anyone of xenophobia. It’s most likely just because the SBI people are used to watching only Phil or only Wilbur and they don’t speak enough of the other languages to really care about the non-English ccs and thus disregard their characters and lore. It’s not just SBI people who do this, it’s plenty of people speaking every language on the server not watching anyone whose languages they don’t speak. Yk?

But that brings us to q!Cellbit, and I’m surprised the SBI guys have latched onto him the way they did considering he’s everything they seem to dislike: his first language isn’t English, he doesn’t talk with Phil a lot, he and Tallulah get along really well, he makes fun of Wilbur being gone. And, honestly? The SBI guys did hate him for a long time because of those things, they constantly undermined his efforts and said Phil would be a better Order leader and said that he should never speak to Tallulah again because he was making her sad and he’s friends with their least favorite person ever, Forever.

But then q!Phil said he trusted Cellbit, and it’s like a switch was flipped. Starting around the Pills Arc when they first teamed up, SBI people were suddenly on board with Cellbit despite being part of the haters literally days before. Why? Well. Phil and Cellbit are friends now, and so now he gets the privilege of being in the fics.

The problem with this is that these people have never watched Cellbit. They’ve seen ten minutes of him total from Phil’s pov, and that’s all they’re going to use to write his character. So of course there will be mischaracterization.

And, of course, they’ll be family. Because, as I said, there’s this weird allergy to the concept of friendship in SBI fics. You’re family or you’re an enemy.

Constant fanon mischaracterization of Phil has basically turned him into a universal father figure even if he doesn’t have that dynamic with the characters he’s like the “father” of. q!Cellbit’s only familial figure outside of his actual canon family is generally seen as q!Bad, who even referred to him as family last night on stream. But, because Phil and Cellbit are friends now and Cellbit is younger than Phil is, they have to have a father-son dynamic, because that’s what Phil’s only character trait is in the SBI fics he’s in. He’s the dad whether it makes sense or not.

If that makes sense.

[ctntduoarchive]

cwilbur canonically accidentally made everyone believe his british, then made a country where only europeans are allowed and how to continue this bit through death itself and all the way up to what's about 15 years later for him

for fifteen fucking years, c!wilbur pretended to be british. no wonder he was such a big hamilton fan he was fucking american all along

[celluzu]

oh my god can you imagine how pissed c! Quackity will be to find out, after being rejected from L'manburg for not being british- an act that spiralled him into virtually EVERYTHING he's done since- that Wilbur was actually a fucking american the whole time.

[dappersautismcreature]

hey sorry this is super outta nowhere but i was scrolling thru the mcytconfessions blog n saw you saying youre a wilbur hater and im genuinely curious as to why?

this isnt me waiting to like. white knight him and bite your face off btw. i like wilbur but this *is* genuine curiosity pls dont be afraid lmfaoksdsdfkhf

ah yeah, sorry nonnie, and no worries. sorry for the rant ahead i just wanna lay it all out.

listen, its pure vibes, i dont really have an explanation for it. i liked him just generally for a while, but i watched a video where he talked about american gun control and it just came off super uck to me. like, a lot of british lefties have this weird thing where they will assume americans are all stupid just for kicks when we've actually been indoctrinated to think the way we do. i guess i just dont like seeing brits have political takes that are just pure "america needs to get its shit together" cause yeah bro we know, focus on whatever the fuck is up with ur government please. I feel like if i talked politics with wilbur soot he would be condescending as shit and basically explain to me what socialism is or whatever when its like, dude,, please. british lefties think they know more than the average young american, which is most of the time not true, or not something to insult someone over. (this is also because he reminds me of a shitty ex friend who was in the states for AMERICAN STUDIES but would just talk on and on and on about how dumb americans were -___-)

and its more than that, i never get idolization of people, like, online people. the closest ive come to it was technoblade maybe? gtws is pretty awesome too, bbh is low level idolization maybe. so it weirds me out when people are just in awe over him, makes my instincts go wild. im really not accusing him of anything, i know this is just the silly brain reacting silly. it just weirds me out. his fans do not know him, nobody's fans know the person, and yet they act like they do, and like he's gods gift to leftism and queerness when he is,, a cishet maybe-aro upperclass man from britain. nothing against him really.

oh, and his fans tick me off because theyre ALWAYS inserting him into things and just. listen, i dont like having to scroll through tons of wilbur fics in the qsmp tag when im just trying to get to some badboyhalo or etoiles centric fics. the man has been on the qsmp for like less than a week of playtime and he's the fourth most tagged character on the qsmp ao3 tag.

not to mention he gets dragged into other plots like "what if this actually happened to wilbur!" or "yeah but what if wilbur was there!" or my most hated "cant wait till this character meets wilbur because i cannot enjoy this media (which is about finding and enjoying a bunch of ccs) if it doesnt have my guy in it!" like i get it, you have a hyperfix or a special interest, ive been there, but maybe then go watch stuff he's actually in, instead of forcing him into a plot he really isnt that big a part of anymore.

people also praised his dsmp writing when it was,, average at best. honestly i think bbh's and the eggpire's writing did way more for the dsmp because they actually tried to include other people in the plot as much as possible, instead of just writing for you and a few of your friends. imo, c!wilbur was an ok character, like, nothing bad, but nothing extraordinary for me. utah is death, ok buddy got it, wow, insane. yeah yeah we've all been to the soul sucking pit of utah, haha i get it. << this is just pure salt ignore that lmao

oh and lovejoy didnt fuckin invent political indie rock, people need to get over themselves on that one.

so yeah, its just a thing of, i cant really bring myself to like him. the brain goes wonky when he's around. kinda wish i didnt like, get angry when he's on screen but idk i cant really stop myself. nothing againstt you if you like him, ill usually tag anyy wilbur neg with #wilbur crit so if you wanna mute that tag. i dont post it too often tho.

[kozzax]

I don't understand why anyone would be upset about that finale because it really is just. I mean. It's genuinely so good for the characters. I haven't watched the dsmp in ages and I probably won't again but I watched the wilbur stream and it was a perfect bookend to his story.

Yeah, sure, the Utah stuff is cursed, but from an emotional standpoint? This was always how it was going to end.

I have some notes I wrote down back in 2021, in a discord server with some friends, where I spoke about how the end of the dsmp would inevitably be melancholic. Where I talked about how the story, as it stands, was made for a happy ending. The story was always going to end on a hopeful note, and for c!Wilbur in particular, I've always felt that to be true.

This ending? This? This is exactly how it needed to go.

Tommy and Wilbur have always been tied together. They are each other's right hand man. We see this time and time again. They are brothers; not by blood, but by the time and love and work they have put into forging their bond. Wilbur relies on Tommy, and Tommy relies on Wilbur.

So of course Wilbur cannot leave without Tommy being there to see him off. And of course Wilbur cannot bear to think that Tommy might hate him, so he can never apologize, because-- what if he doesn't accept? Sure, he probably would, but how can Wilbur take that risk? But Tommy has to be there, when he leaves. It has to be just him and Tommy. He has to say goodbye in person.

And of course Tommy is worried about Wilbur. With everything he's been through, everything both of them have been through, Tommy would be nothing but terrified for what his brother is about to do. Wilbur's always been cagey, and he has a history of trying to smooth over anything going wrong with big, grand statements. So of course, when Wilbur starts talking about going away and leaving and goodbyes, Tommy calls him the fuck out. He has to protect his brother- he can't let his brother die, not again, so- he does everything he can to stop it.

This is where we get to the Utah bit. And I- I love the Utah bit. I think the Utah bit is perfect. I think, in retrospect, it suits him. His focus on the falsity of Las Nevadas's desert, because it reminds him of his home. His denial of America, in L'Manburg-- because he's left, and he never wants to go back, because he was going through his rebellious years. The fact that it means, for him to go home, he has to go a long ways away.

I love that he's from Utah. And I fucking love that it means his last direct statement to Tommy was "Don't trust those Americans!" in a jovial tone.

Because even though this is a goodbye. He doesn't want his brother to think badly of him. So he leaves with an inside joke, a tease, brings a teary-eyed laugh out of Tommy before he goes home. And this isn't a goodbye forever, but it is a goodbye for now.

And so the last Tommy sees of Wilbur is a smile, and a laugh, and joy. And the last Wilbur sees of Tommy is the same. And neither of them wants to leave the other, but this is how it has to be. Wilbur has to go home to continue his healing process, and Tommy cannot come with him if he is to continue his own.

They are separated. And you can hear the grief in Tommy's cry, at the end there. You can hear how heartbroken he is. But that heartbreak is softened, and that was on purpose, because Wilbur cannot break his little brother's heart. Not again. Never again.

They are brothers.

And though they may have to part, now, they will always be brothers.

"And I heard you say / Right when you left that day / 'Does everything go away?' / Yeah everything goes away / But I'm gonna be here till forever / So just call when you're around" - Always Gold, Radical Face

[lilac-tea]

being american and prohibiting americans from entering your country is the most fucking c!wilbur thing ever.

[thinkingnot]

so las nevadas finale c!wilbur’s ending and american tommy what else did i fucking missed

[swatchitt]

c!wilbur ending rant (is that mf really american?)

content warning; mentions of or implications to fictional suicide

So I'm assuming all the c!wilbur enthusiasts have heard the infamous 'minecraft utah is not real, and it's definitely not an allegory for death' line. Now to be entirely honest never did I once believe Wilbur fucking Soot would just end his story arc with anything but a REAL conclusion and considering the mf went for 'wow I'm a American, bye smp' I was confused for a bit. So he's dead. Makes sense for the way his character was and it was way more conclusive - completely understandable from cc!wilbur.

But in reference to this, is Wilbur actually American than? Or was that just some random ploy to lie to Tommy and convince him he wasn't going to die?

One, if he was American he'd be the fattest fucking hypocrite I've ever seen in my life and two, it wouldn't be much of an allegory if he was also half telling the truth. He spits all this shit about being a worker at a gas station for 16 years, which pissed me off cause if he had said 13, I would have assumed he was in reference to his Limbo years. Unfortunately not.

He also talks about his jacket and everything before coming to the smp. Which is hard to research into because going back to old streams feels pointless when it's very unlikely Wilbur planned this story right from the start. Overall him being American doesn't make much sense other than just for the brief pieces of info on his backstory we got within the stream.

So say he is lying, he isn't American. He's made up an allegory to appease Tommy. Rewatching the final streams was weird because of his whole rant on Utah and how he wasn't going to kill himself doesn't all line up with the allegory without some 'he's just lying' moments. So hypothetically it turns out to be a 'oh I am going to kms, but I'm using different language to not scare the shit out of you!'. We never found out what was in the book to Tommy (or that I know of) so we can't base anything off that either. And Tommy himself clearly believes that Wilbur went to Utah because he tells other people that. We hear Philza say 'Where did he go again? Utah was it?' when they meet up at his revival shrine thing. Unless Tommy deciphered this shit (maybe with the help of that book), but then why would he be lying to Philza? Don't think Tommy would wanna lie about the state of the guy's son to his face.

I think it's funny in hindsight, because within the qsmp stream Wilbur says that Minecraft Utah is an allegory, he says it triggers him, like he was bothered no one picked up on that fact and assumed he was being truthful? It wasn't particularly obvious because what the hell were we supposed to do with 'I worked at a gas station for 16 years,' no one can just claim 'oh that was clearly a lie' because we don't have much evidence to back that up. Most of the stuff cc's say about their characters we have to take literally because its a MINECRAFT SERVER.

His ending was something, you know. I feel like there's some overarching answer to it all but knowing Wilbur and his ARG, he's not big on giving away answers so everyone's gonna be clueless, atleast for a while. And plus I doubt anyone really wants to reference back to the 'glory days of the smp' because it went for so goddamn long and its rightfully over now. His ending definitely wasn't as badly executed as Tommy's, but god a lot of mixed signals there.

Something I do wanna say though, I see a lot of people say that Wilbur's 'born and raised in Utah' line was in reference to Lady Death or Kristin being his mother which is all well and good but I think it has deeper inclinations than that.

Wilbur was revived. He was quite literally raised from the dead. Thought that was a cool reference if it was indeed intended.

And than yknow, maybe Wilbur's just absolutely useless at tone, and he wasn't be sarcastic saying 'it's definitely not an allegory for death'. Who tf knows.

Anyway if someone else is more inclined to do research or knows something I've completely glossed over, please tell me! Love to hear from the Tumblr guys.

(Rare rant maybe. perhaps I'll get too comfortable on this platform. And god that was long, sorry you had to read all that.)

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I'm an official c!Wilbur apologist because, since he is from Utah, his entire story is just an American lying about being British to fuck with Europeans. And that I can get behind.