#Drivers discourse

[livetogether--diealone]

https://twitter.com/TomP1Bellingham/status/1771777323047543273?s=19

Oh, here we go. And so it starts

And how many did CS won on actual merit exactly? Let's count: first gifted while throwing his teammate championship under the bus thanks Binotto, second he just drove with the biggest help from charles in keeping 18 cars back, wouldn't had without it, third he overtook a car with its break on fire that later exploded and yeah we're out of races

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And I don't want to hear about Bahrain 22 and Australia 22 because we all well know Charles did clear him long before the car started having issue for max, and his other wins were fought untill the end; the difference is that Charles goes always the extra mile to make it happen while CS does the bare minimum that is expected of him

[vroomvroomthings]

Is it really surprising the guy who brings a shit-ton of money through sponsors and is willing to submit to Max was picked over the guys with not as much money and less willingness to play for the team? 🤔

Listen, I would have loved to see some change (especially Yuki to RBR) but, though I disagree with it, I can see why Checo was kept. Even more with the theories that he brings enough money to offset the 2nd place in WCC.

The drivers who could challenge Max are already locked in. Max already beat both Daniel & Carlos, the two most popular choices, when he wasn't close to what he is now. The other alternatives are... not much of an upgrade. So, it's normal they went with the guy who at least brings them bucks; no matter how disappointing it might be for people pushing/wanting certain narratives.

[aristhought]

charles leclerc and bryan bozzi ♡

[kolbalissh]

Hi, i gotta get this out here as soon as i can so here goes

so apparently someone didnt like my art (specifically the recent alecca drawing which as of now ive privated) and went off to some third grade f1 gossip cesspool instagram page and dropped my drawing down there and theyre basically publicly shaming my blog and my art specifically the rpf content

which is why im making this post as a refresher on what rpf actually is - real people fiction - key word FICTION

please for the love of god, understand that with any fandom space comes creation and that it comes in multiple forms of art writing music and so forth, and rpf has been a subculture of this specific f1 fandom for a LONG ASS TIME the most dated first f1 rpf fic goes back to literally mika/michael on ao3 in like 2002

us making this sort of content doesnt MEAN that we actually think of these drivers in this light, because that is the line that NONE of us should cross

how is it any different if one ships a driver with a model or a influencer, than us shipping them with another driver? in both cases it is still the 'real people' clause so why is one okay and the other 'vile and disgusting' (quoted exactly from the story they posted abt my art btw)

some part of me knows its not that deep, because it really isnt we all just want to support our favourite teams and drivers and have fun in this fandom space together and follow basic fandom etiquette, if you dont like, then dont interact, something i myself have been doing ever since i started liking formula 1

but another part of me knows that i shouldnt be getting shit online for stuff that i make for my small community of people, where we genuinely mean no harm and if it bothers you, then thats a personal issue of yours

rpf has been a long running subculture for decades now, it has certain moral boundaries that we all follow here and none of us cross it so its really disheartening to see that the stuff i made being plastered across on ig as dehumanising and fetishising, because the intention behind my art is nothing but of support and joy

and lastly i just wanna say, that if ur an active tumblr user and if my (in my opinion, very lowkey art compared to regular tumblr content) is getting you this worked up then u should consider changing social medias lmao

[rb9]

we have gone from mclaren being annoyed that max knows the rules too well to them openly admitting lando doesn’t actually know them.

multiple drivers (including max, charles, esteban) knew exactly what they should do in this situation and turned off their engines.

[eirianerisdar]

I’m already seeing the discourse start online so let’s be clear. Ferrari’s brakes were shit the ENTIRE race. Charles wasn’t the only one being told to lift. He caught up to Carlos a lot in the second stint because Carlos’s brakes were nearly on fire, too. Carlos’s brakes didn’t clean up until like 15-20 laps from the end. Sky kept talking about how both of them were being told to lift and coast. It’s arguable whether Charles’s brakes could have survived him pushing more to stay ahead of Lando but without detailed brake data, we won’t know.

Either way you understand why it was frustrating for Charles - the car didn’t give him what he needed to stay in 2nd and it was this or his brakes catching fire. When it’s not about technique but about equipment it always hurts more.

[silentsialia]

Not to compliment RedBull on anything. But this is the funniest fucking thing ever. Someone at RedBull did the math to see how they could prevent Lando from winning the WDC.

[keepthedelta]

i am once again asking people to learn the difference between being a pay driver and a driver with sponsorships. please.

[laeana]

I’ll just add this, but after pulling the story of underdogs as “we don’t have the fastest car” that Lando even reinforced recently in an interview, after trying to paint redbull as cheaters (which isn’t the case) to show themselves more legitimate (when the actual cheating was done by McLaren, or I guess “loophole”, but that still led to them having to change all of this rear wings, for those who still don’t know about it), now the discourse of the fia is biased toward Max and helping him! is coming out.

Of course that’s how any team can try to win the support of the public, but don’t come talking about dirty tactics when your team is using it.

[imlittlebitdie]

Flexible Front Wings AKA More FIA Clownery

If these tweets are accurate, the FIA has taken almost 3 months to investigate the flexible wings and now says it's "too late" to intervene because teams wouldn't be ready by the end of the season.

But of course, this means that - if the other teams want to have a level playing field - they need to spend their budget (which is capped) to catch up.

Which, by the FIA's own admission, there isn't enough time to do. So hopefully those teams have already been developing these new wings, otherwise they're just shit out of luck.

I really try not to be a tinhatter, but all this screams to me is that the FIA were either fully aware or willingly ignorant that the McLaren car (esp. but also Mercedes) is at best dubiously legal if not illegal but looked the other way because they wanted a title fight to maximize attention and profits.

And as the second tweet shows, when the FIA is incentivized to move quickly they can and have.

It also begs the question, where would the championship standings be if the FIA had actually looked into this when they were asked to?

There was so much talk about the 2021 championship being rigged by the FIA. Will there be the same talks now?

[livetogether--diealone]

Realised today that I'm not a real tifosi. I think I would have taken another boring max win over this. And now it's 2 weeks before the next race and it's going to be unbearable

No this stupid thing going on that if you're not happy for the other driver you don't get to call yourself a tifosi is honestly bullshit, the real issue is cs and the toxicity he drags around; the atmosphere is so rancid when he's there and it was confirmed by last weekend a lot of people noticed how things were calmer, ferrari felt different, comms were more objective. I still love Ferrari and what it was, i can hate one of the driver and still love what Ferrari is about, fuck them i will not be happy for this win

[youspeakshit]

re: lando norris, starbucks, F1 and boycotts

the first rule of Formula 1 is understanding these privileged men do not give a shit. they partake in the most elite sport there is, where only 20 people can do it at a time. it's a bubble of money and luxury they thrive whitin.

just don't put anyone on a pedestal or your hand on fire for any of them. not even the ones that seem like the good ones.

personally, I expect the bare minimum of no homophobia, no racism, no sexual misconduct or assault. but I do not expect them to care about world problems as strongly as we do. bc if all went to shits they will run to a safe mansion, and we'll be the ones left to survive.

embrace fandom and friendships, the fun of the races and the drama, sharing gifs and fics and edits, and put THAT above your favorite driver!

[estebanocon]

Ok, here's my recap of seeing Esteban over the Singapore GP! I've been attending every Singapore GP since 2017 and have supported Esteban each year. For me the highlight from this year was finding out that not only does he recognise my face, he also knows my name. 🥹

The video above is a compilation from two days: Thursday and Saturday. Full story below the cut. 👇

PRE-RACE WEEKEND / ESTEBAN'S BIRTHDAY

I've been travelling since late July and my flight back to Singapore from Vancouver was actually on Esteban's birthday. I had already committed to editing a video to celebrate his achievements at Alpine. Some of you (bless y'all, seriously) answered my open call for art/video/message submissions and I spent the afternoon before my flight putting it together. I'm happy I got it done and I was even happier when Esteban commented thanking us for it just before I got on my plane. You can watch the video on Instagram here.

THURSDAY

A.K.A. The day after I arrived back in Singapore after 2 months on the road and a 16-hour time difference. I have no idea how I wasn't severely jetlagged lol.

I got to the paddock entrance after 1pm, early enough to still get a spot in front of the barrier, but gosh there were so many people this year. Either F1 has really exploded in popularity (especially with the younger generation) or we just have more fans from overseas coming to Singapore for the race (why tho, it's so hot y'all). Luckily I had a friend with me and he was kind enough to help me take videos when Esteban arrived.

My friend hadn't hit record yet so the video missed Esteban saying "good to see you again, how are you doing?", and you can scroll back up for the rest. ☺️ He thanked me after I asked if he'd seen the birthday video and then there was an awkward moment when I didn't know if we were doing a fist bump or a handshake but man's a gentleman and didn't make me feel weird about it. 🫠

I don't know why after seeing him so many times I still get nervous but I was, and I struggled to take the cap off my marker so he could sign my cap. He very kindly took it from me to open it himself but my marker betrayed me and wasn't working properly (now that I think about it, it also happened the very first time I asked him to sign my hat back in 2017 ��). Thankfully the girl next to me offered her red marker which actually worked (though Este stabbed the life out of it first to be sure). 🙏

I initially wanted to hang around in the evening with some friends who were coming after the pitlane walk. But at 7pm it was already super crowded and I don't even know why (all the drivers, TPs and media are already in the paddock at this point and won't come out till late that night). So yeah, I just went home to not tire myself out before the race weekend actually started.

FRIDAY

I've accumulated quite a bit of merch since last year so I was bringing a different one on each day for him to sign haha. In the selfie I'm wearing a shirt he signed the day before.

I normally try not to take up too much of his time because he always does his best to make sure all the fans get something from him. I only had one shirt for him to sign but after he did, he continued standing in front of me so I just took out my phone for this picture and then he went on his way. Este is bestie fr. 😭🫶

I didn't hang around outside the paddock again on Friday night because I went to watch OneRepublic. ✨

SATURDAY

The best day for me because this was when I managed to get most of my selfies (including with Mick, who I missed on Thursday because he came with Esteban and obv I have priorities) and also because Esteban managed to drag the car out of Q1. 👏

It was also a good day because I asked Esteban if he could write my name on the cap and as I was trying to spell it out for him, he cut me off because he knew, he just didn't see it was me at first because some guy had draped a huge flag over my friend and me for him to sign. 😭🫶

We tried to wait outside the paddock after qualifying but they started chasing us out at 12am and since they had armed police out in full view, we decided to not fk around and find out. (At previous SGPs they'd stay in the van so we never actually saw them.) Also didn't help that Esteban chose that moment to leave so people started mobbing him and even though he tried to stop at first, security physically pushed him to the exit. 🥲 (which was probably for the best tbh)

SUNDAY

I actually gave Este the wrong hat to write my name on (I wanted him to write it on the cap from his store, not the Alpine one) so I had to ask him again and he kindly obliged.

That night I was lucky to catch him just before he left the circuit, there were some fans running alongside him because he wasn't stopping but he stopped when he saw me. 😭🫶 I got a quick hug and he said see you next year so I guess the greedy mfs at SGP are going to continue getting my money smh.

BONUS ESTE'S BESTIES

Here's a picture of stuff I got signed by Este, as well as some gifts I got from other Esteban fans! And also, a picture of me and Fiq who I met for the first time on race day.

[janesurlife]

The second lando got a decent car everyone on twitter became adrian newey.

This level of crash out after a race where we witnessed one of the two drivers of that mclaren burn his tyres and almost ruin his race because he was pushing too hard. Yes the car is great but you can't ignore lando's talent. This mclaren isn't even close to RB19 like be for real.

Lando stuck with that in those rough years he had a big hand in that championship winning car. He absolutely deserves it.

sour puss fans can't comprehend that mclaren made a better car than fuck ass horse team.

[slythereen]

actually, from what I see on my timeline people are slandering lestappen because a lot of lestappen fans on twitter claim that they like them only as a rivalry duo, not as a ship (and get offended when they’re compared to carlando shippers), but clearly it’s not the case lol I’m not a hater but I do find lestappen charting so high funny exactly because I’ve seen a lot of fans claiming they don’t ship them in the same way carlando/landoscar are shipped. Like, don’t be hypocrites, just own up to it 😆

ah i have certainly seen lestappies saying that but haven’t seen ppl slandering them for the potential hypocrisy 👀 it seems i’m not seeing the full scale of the discourse! ive just been seeing the “lol lestappen is delusion/entirely made up” discourse

[lunaticamic]

“they clearly favour sainz” my man didn’t get the seat for 2025. why would they favour him??? “so he can go and have options for other top teams” (something i read with my fucking eyes on this hellsite) i don’t know how to explain it to you that ferrari doesn’t care😭 it’s not like they owe sainz something. he was faster and he went for the gap. y’all wouldn’t have survived f1 pre 2000