Excuse me, i got a question regarding something you said in one of your post, how is marinette like chloe is suppose to be according to cannon?
I am not that well versed in miraculous and i was curious about that.
Well one of the ideas of Chloe is that she doesn't work for anything, she's just given everything, and has it so easy because it's all handed to her. (This interpretation flatly ignores any idea of mental/social well being and for a show that doesn't like capitalism it's odd to say that material things means she has 'everything')
Now, Marinette *as a character* isn't like Chloe, at all.
However, Season five gave Marinette accidental wins over every single challenge she was supposed to overcome. Lila, Chloe, Felix, Gabriel, Nathalie, and her love life.
-Lila: Sabrina just decides to switch sides and hands Marinette everything.
-Chloe: Lila, Gabriel and Tomoe all conspire to set Chloe up for a fall.
-Felix: He decides he likes Kagami and just stops being an enemy.
-Gabriel: He gets his wish, she does *not* stop him, but his wish benefits her.
-Nathalie: She gets mad at Gabriel independent of Marinette and does her own thing.
-Her Love Life: Adrien does all the work here. The hand raising, the first steps, confessing first, giving he literally everything so she needs to make no emotional effort. They had to manufacture Derision just to pretend there was something to do.
All of them came without any real work on Marinette's part. The solutions and rewards were just handed to her.
This isn't about Marinette as a person/character. It's about the way the narrative was built for her in season 5.
Marinette deserved to *actually overcome* her problems. That's what a protagonist is supposed to do. It's a reward for growth. You apply that growth for your victory. Marinette never got to do that. She was robbed and in robbing her the narrative made her a 'Chloe'.
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I call this one "Double Kill"
[ID. First panel, Nino sits at his and Adrien's table in school, he's angled to face Adrien, his right arm resting on the back of their bench and his left hand on the table. He's saying "I still can't believe I got Rose with "Ligma"..." with his eyes closed. There's a small amount of text next to his head that reads: "It was funny, but I still feel bad..." indicating he's saying it under his breath. Him saying this gets Adrien's attention.
Second panel, Adrien is facing forward at Nino. His face is set in a worried smile as he asks, "What's "Ligma"? Is it serious?".
Third panel, Wide shot of them at their desk, showing Marinette and Alya at their table as well, looking down at them. Adrien keeps an expression of now confused worry as Nino looks at him with an open mouth. Marinette is looking down at Adrien with both hands over her mouth as her shoulders shake with contained laughter. Alya is also covering her mouth, but her joy is less contained as she smiles. The word "SPEECHLESS" is written above them to help get the surprise the three of them feel across.
Fourth panel, a shot of Adrien alone, facing forward and covering his face in embarrassment as the statement, "Just found out what Ligma is" is pointed to him in a looping arrow.
Fifth panel, a wide shot of Ladybug and Chat Noir sitting on the edge of a building together. Chat Noir is sitting criss cross with his hands resting on his thighs, sitting forward a bit to show that he's listening to Ladybug. Ladybug is much more relaxed, leaning back on her right hand and holding her left hand up casually. She's smiling as she recalls: "And then he fell for Ligma! I feel bad, but I kinda wanna see if he'll also fall for "Candace"..."
Sixth panel, Chat Noir is now crossing his arms, raising an eyebrow, squinting his eyes, and tilting his head. His right cat ear tilts as well, while his left one stays straight. The words: "Skeptical but curious" are pointed at him with a straight arrow. He's saying, "And who's "Candace"?"
Seventh panel, Ladybug is looking at Chat Noir with a shocked expression, her eyebrows raised and her jaw dropped. She's sitting straighter, her hand is still resting on the ledge, but it's no longer supporting her. The same "SPEECHLESS" is floating above her as it was seen in the third panel, to show just how shocked she truly is.
Eighth panel, Chat Noir is sitting with his knees up to his chest as he covers his face with his hands in embarrassment. His ears are flattened and his tail is curled around his ankles. The words "Just found out who Candace is" is pointed at him with a straight arrow. End ID]
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youtuber/tiktoker/whatever-type-of-video-influencer marinette, where she makes crazy DIY and craft videos and debunks fake content-farm DIYs. she has a modest but loyal mass of followers that grow by the day as her crafts get increasingly intricate and cool. she catalogues all of her mistakes and is very earnest about the process. adrien falls asleep to videos of her sewing and making cool containers and explaining the mechanisms of the strange devices she makes
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