#Learn AI for students

[inkskinned]

i have chronic pain. i am neurodivergent. i understand - deeply - the allure of a "quick fix" like AI. i also just grew up in a different time. we have been warned about this.

15 entire years ago i heard about this. in my forensics class in high school, we watched a documentary about how AI-based "crime solving" software was inevitably biased against people of color.

my teacher stressed that AI is like a book: when someone writes it, some part of the author will remain within the result. the internet existed but not as loudly at that point - we didn't know that AI would be able to teach itself off already-biased Reddit threads. i googled it: yes, this bias is still happening. yes, it's just as bad if not worse.

i can't actually stop you. if you wanna use ChatGPT to slide through your classes, that's on you. it's your money and it's your time. you will spend none of it thinking, you will learn nothing, and, in college, you will piss away hundreds of thousands of dollars. you will stand at the podium having done nothing, accomplished nothing. a cold and bitter pyrrhic victory.

i'm not even sure students actually read the essays or summaries or emails they have ChatGPT pump out. i think it just flows over them and they use the first answer they get. my brother teaches engineering - he recently got fifty-three copies of almost-the-exact-same lab reports. no one had even changed the wording.

and yes: AI itself (as a concept and practice) isn't always evil. there's AI that can help detect cancer, for example. and yet: when i ask my students if they'd be okay with a doctor that learned from AI, many of them balk. it is one thing if they don't read their engineering textbook or if they don't write the critical-thinking essay. it's another when it starts to affect them. they know it's wrong for AI to broad-spectrum deny insurance claims, but they swear their use of AI is different.

there's a strange desire to sort of divorce real-world AI malpractice over "personal use". for example, is it moral to use AI to write your cover letters? cover letters are essentially only templates, and besides: AI is going to be reading your job app, so isn't it kind of fair?

i recently found out that people use AI as a romantic or sexual partner. it seems like teenagers particularly enjoy this connection, and this is one of those "sticky" moments as a teacher. honestly - you can roast me for this - but if it was an actually-safe AI, i think teenagers exploring their sexuality with a fake partner is amazing. it prevents them from making permanent mistakes, it can teach them about their bodies and their desires, and it can help their confidence. but the problem is that it's not safe. there isn't a well-educated, sensitive AI specifically to help teens explore their hormones. it's just internet-fed cycle. who knows what they're learning. who knows what misinformation they're getting.

the most common pushback i get involves therapy. none of us have access to the therapist of our dreams - it's expensive, elusive, and involves an annoying amount of insurance claims. someone once asked me: are you going to be mad when AI saves someone's life?

therapists are not just trained on the book, they're trained on patient management and helping you see things you don't see yourself. part of it will involve discomfort. i don't know that AI is ever going to be able to analyze the words you feed it and answer with a mind towards the "whole person" writing those words. but also - if it keeps/kept you alive, i'm not a purist. i've done terrible things to myself when i was at rock bottom. in an emergency, we kind of forgive the seatbelt for leaving bruises. it's just that chat shouldn't be your only form of self-care and recovery.

and i worry that the influence chat has is expanding. more and more i see people use chat for the smallest, most easily-navigated situations. and i can't like, make you worry about that in your own life. i often think about how easy it was for social media to take over all my time - how i can't have a tiktok because i spend hours on it. i don't want that to happen with chat. i want to enjoy thinking. i want to enjoy writing. i want to be here. i've already really been struggling to put the phone down. this feels like another way to get you to pick the phone up.

the other day, i was frustrated by a book i was reading. it's far in the series and is about a character i resent. i googled if i had to read it, or if it was one of those "in between" books that don't actually affect the plot (you know, one of those ".5" books). someone said something that really stuck with me - theoretically you're reading this series for enjoyment, so while you don't actually have to read it, one would assume you want to read it.

i am watching a generation of people learn they don't have to read the thing in their hand. and it is kind of a strange sort of doom that comes over me: i read because it's genuinely fun. i learn because even though it's hard, it feels good. i try because it makes me happy to try. and i'm watching a generation of people all lay down and say: but i don't want to try.

[gorgynei]

that professor ive been complaining about included 3 slides in his lecture that contained text entirely written by ai... he even put these stupid fucking disclaimers on them......................... be fucking serious

[literaryvein-reblogs]

Do you use AI generators to compile or scrape this information?

no

[liketwoswansinbalance]

College advice??

Never skip any readings and never use AI.

Think about it in this way if the temptation ever arises: most likely, you (not necessarily you, Anon���the general, collective "you" applies throughout) will be paying for your tuition and you don't want a machine to rob you blind of the chance to do the intellectual labor yourself. After all, would you give your education to someone else? No, right? So, an unthinking machine that produces hackneyed clichés of all things has absolutely no right to it either.

If that is not convincing enough, think of this instead:

Past generations never relied on AI or the "easy" way out (which results in less learning), so do you want to be worse off than them? Do you want to be "inferior" and less accomplished? No!

(If you "must" cheat, at least try to learn your lesson or something from the experience. Better yet, do not cheat at all! If you have, you've shortchanged yourself and have dented your integrity/self-image.)

Or, to put it even more extremely: do you want to represent the (probable) decline in academic performance as time goes on? Become a statistic? No. Right?

No one should want to be viewed as part of "those kids" whose literacy and writing skills have dropped, to the point that professors complain they have to teach/reinforce the basics before they even get to the target-level material you've paid for or earned your way to. Wouldn't you feel guilty if your professors complained about that, a problem which never before existed in their time? If you're not a part of the problem, you can at the very least separate yourself and feel like you're in a better position than those classmates who do use AI or who pad their papers with meaningless fluff.

Thus, the pressure isn't on, per se, but you don't want to become representative of the stupid side of humanity—and I imagine no one would want to if they could prevent it and have to sense to think for themselves.

Please, do yourself a favor by just trying, revising, and asking questions. It's not that hard.

And now, argument the third:

Would you trust a professional who only graduated because they relied on AI and are, in reality, incompetent? There's no telling what could go wrong and God forbid they were a medical student who should have failed who's operating on you.

Feel free to ask any questions.

[tired-and-swaggy]

why is college so pro-ai now?

[hammill-goes-fogwalking]

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[some-pers0n]

interesting ideas about AI art and by no means am I trying to send hate but I believe majority of people hate AI art is because it's truly just the byproduct of a giant plinko board bouncing through pieces of art made by artists who put love and care and SOUL into their work. A visual product of a math formula. While it's "art" in the most litteral sense, not having a true human behind it putting though and effort into its every detail, for many people (myself included) devalues it from a tradition artists work.

I'm a firm believer in the idea that AI art is inherently unequal to non Ai art, specifically for this reason. (Hope this made sense sorry if it's incoherent)

I agree in that sense there. I personally do not find myself wanting to engage in a work when I purposefully know the creator had used AI to create the entire product. Something something,,,I cannot find myself getting invested in something that is little more than a product. I don't wanna read a fic about my blorbos when it was written by Chat-GPT

I also agree with the idea that a lot of people hate AI art because of this heavily emotional, debatably reactionary mindset that stems from one thing: fairness. It's the same sort of emotion I find one gets if all of the work on a group project gets shafted onto them whilst their fellow peers sit idly by. It feels unfair to sink hours into your craft, spending all this time fighting to develop your skills and flourish as an artist, only to see someone type half a paragraph and have a machine spit back something that looks not half bad. Let's be honest with ourselves here and say that AI art, at least in a visual regard, has progressed quite a bit to the point where most of the mistakes people find can be dismissed as wonky perspective and the line art being a bit fucky, which is something a ton of artists struggle with too

People develop a sort of a superiority complex over it. I can't blame them honestly. A number of times I've felt it too when people tell me they're using Chat-GPT as though it were Google and when I see my family members and friends playing around with AI art. I gotta bite my tongue and choke back a chortle, both because it's kind of a dick move and also because I don't want to relish in this feeling. It's infectious though to feel as though you have an edge over another person just because you abstain from using Chat-GPT or whatever. Not to be all "grrgrgrr you should LOVE Chat-GPT and if you dare to say anything bad then you are EVILL!!" of course though. It's emotions. They're messy, intense, and oftentimes you don't really realize when you're feeling since you get locked into your perspective. Yet, I think it's important to realize a lot of hatred of this generative AI stems from emotions. Reactionary ideals and claims stem from emotions after all

I think ultimately what the conversation about generative AI should revolve around is about the concerns of labour. The several strikes from a while back from VFX artists and scriptwriters come to mind. They are most at stake from generative AI as tools like Chat-GPT are cheaper and more cost-effective than paying an actual employee for their time and effort. I would also mention the environmental issues, but if we were to talk about that we would also have to acknowledge the fact that so, so much water is being used up daily to generate power for servers. Hell, this post alone will probably contribute to drying up some marsh in the greater scheme of things

Anywho yada yada TL;DR: I agree yes but I also think it's important to recognize that a good chunk of your hatred to Chat-GPT stems from feeling cheated and a sense of pride and superiority over others for simply not using it. There is no quality to Chat-GPT that makes it inherently evil. I can't get upset at my grandma for sending me a photo of her and her dog that went through an AI anime filter. I can feel maybe some exhaustion when seeing a fellow classmate using Chat-GPT to write their essay, but ultimately I write my own work for the love of the game. I can get upset however at those in higher power who use it to push artists out of jobs. Chat-GPT is a tool that has its pros and cons and I think it's reductive to just basically sit there and hiss like a vampire when presented with a cross when faced with the mere word "AI", especially when your only big argument for disliking it is based purely in feeling cheated when someone types a prompt into a program and art that would've taken you seven hours to draw gets spit out in about a minute or two

[cocomuffy]

"I asked ChatGPT-" Why not just Google it? And not read the Gemini AI summary at the top but just... actually Google it. Just like... learn the information that you want to know instead of having to have the robot put it all in a neat little wrapper for you like you're a helpless child.

Like seriously every time someone tells me they ChatGPT-ed something it just makes me think of how we have all the information we could ever want at our fingertips to read and absorb and think about at all times, but they have to have the robot chew it up for them and vomit it out. Sometimes it isn't even right. What if you just Googled whatever you need to know, click on a link to go and read an article or something, and maybe you'll learn even more than you bargained for! But no, you want the AI to waste a gallon of water trying to compute whatever you said and then regurgitate whatever you would find through a simple search anyway.

[whentherewerebicycles]

Research takes time, but for now, there is not even conclusive evidence that A.I. improves learning outcomes when compared with human teaching of older students. One study of nearly 1,000 Turkish high schoolers from researchers at the University of Pennsylvania compared two groups of students who were allowed access to different versions of OpenAI’s GPT-4 when studying for a math exam with a control group of students who had no generative A.I. resources. Students with access to generative A.I. did much better on practice tests for which they could use the A.I. But when all of the students were given an exam with no access to A.I., the control group with old-school study resources outperformed the group who studied with A.I.

Jessica Grose, "AI Will Destroy Critical Thinking in K-12 Education"

[inthecut2003]

i hate ai as much as the next guy but every time a news article comes out about professors complaining their students can’t function without it i can’t bring myself to care bc idk take it up with the dean of admissions i guess?? like okay sure these kids are lazy dumb dumbs but what does it say about the institution you work for they let so many of them in?

[hob28]

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[jellypawss]

any response to butteredfrogs post?

I did use ai for that image before I knew how shtty ai was and haven't used it since and I apologize.

As for posting text written by chat gpt, I had chatgpt write an idea for a sims 4 expansion pack, similarly to how students use chatgpt for homework and general knowledge, which I don't see a problem with.

[qsplaylist]

Is Convenience Our Crutch? A Human’s Weapon against the Machine Mind. 

Reclaiming our ability to think

“Why is my writing getting worse?” I groaned as I stared at a blank Google Document. 

Well, it wasn’t blank. Not two minutes before. I had written out a messy outline, deleted it, rewrote it, reworded it, hated it, and you probably know how the rest went. I ended up with a completely blank Google Document, an unplanned essay, and no direction for my writing whatsoever. I have always prided myself in my ability to not only write, but write well, so what was happening? Why was I grasping at straws, unsure how to formulate any opinion on the prompt that I was given, and generally stuck? 

When I started this new school year with harder classes, teachers, assignments…harder everything, writing essays had become less about writing and more about fulfilling a certain standard that the teacher wanted me to follow. The topic needed to add to the discussion, not be something that was easily found by just searching it up on the internet. It needed to use complex language. It needed to argue well. It needed to use different sentence structures. Show not tell, but also use the specific writing term if necessary. No writing “logos,” “pathos,” or “ethos”. Abandon those five-paragraph essay structures. On and on, these guidelines that were supposed to make my writing more personal, more stylistic, more me, became burdensome restrictions that made me scared to write. 

Or, at least, that is what I wanted myself to think. As a perfectionist, I criticized myself for my inability to write well when, in reality, I just couldn’t write well instantly. I had spent two hours writing a draft and, to my astonishment, it did not sound like a revolutionary, never-heard-before opinion essay about the Crucible. Crazy, I know! So, I became reliant on the resources around me, things that will give me instant answers to whatever I was writing about. Looking up what other people have said about what I was arguing became looking up what to say about the topic I need to write about. And from that, using AI technologies for writing became more and more tempting. 

I found a loophole in my own thinking, where I realized that I didn’t have to really use the AI to write my essays for me. I could keep my moral high-ground by just writing most of it by myself, and asking them to “improve” my writing. Grammarly or whatever platform would then provide me a mediocre regurgitation of my ideas, and I truly thought that I had accomplished something. I didn’t use it to write my whole essay, necessarily. Technically, I was still writing my own essay. It was just improving the ideas I already had. Right? 

The danger of modern technology isn't just the sheer amount of distraction it creates—though that is a factor—but also our growing dependence on it. This dependence is not surprising at all. The internet is a wealth of knowledge and all the tools on there are just so reliable, so quickly accessible. Don’t know something? Just google it. Can’t find where something is inside a store? Just order it online. Don’t remember how to say “can I have a can of apple cider” in Spanish? Just translate it. 

But, this convenience comes at a cost, and I have felt this cost personally. I have become so consumed by needing to be good, and good right away, that this dependence emerged easily. I found myself so insistent on getting a beautiful masterpiece of an outline right away that I did not even think to put in the time to think and reflect. I could easily have taken a few minutes, or even a few days, to ponder about the prompt, to think. Not just with essays, but with everything else in life as well. Do I think about the material I read, or do I just search up an explanation for the things I don’t know? Do I try to solve a problem, even when I have gotten it wrong a million times before, or do I just give and search for the answer? Do I check if the AI generated answer at the top of the search results is accurate, or do I just trust what it says because I’m too tired to bother looking through the tens of other articles about the stuff I search? But no, I wanted the beautiful essay right away, those answers right away, that elegance and eloquence and the careful mincing of words right away. And the internet provided me with just that: elegance and eloquence, and a whole lot of nothing.  

Then I find myself asking, on those days of self-reflection and rare lucidness, whether or not I actually know anything at all. And, perhaps, this question applies to you as well. When we learn something, do we truly internalize it, or do we prioritize convenience, knowing we can always look it up later? Not just look it up, but access it instantly, effortlessly. Our habits have shifted toward "googling" everything, which is remarkable, but what does this instant access to information do to our critical thinking, memorization, and willingness to deeply learn? And why do we resort to these options in the first place? 

I think the answer is the cultural norm of wanting everything quickly. Efficiency, productivity; this culture has pushed everything to be as quick as possible, the most product with the least amount of time and effort. I’m not saying productivity is bad; rather I believe that this mindset has permeated into other aspects of life as well. We lose our patience when reading a book because the information isn’t presented to us right away. We grow frustrated at the recipe when it starts with a sob story about some guy’s grandma. We become irritated when the perfect essay idea or writing does not emerge right away. 

I’m not totally clear what this impact is, at least not in terms of statistics, numbers, or experiments. But, one thing is for sure: we have to keep thinking. No matter what topic it’s about, try not to rely on “searching it up” as the first resort. When writing an essay, maybe don’t search for topics right away, or even have generative technology refine what you write. At least not right away. Try to think about the topic yourself, ponder about it. In writing this post, I spent a lot of time thinking and reflecting. I wrote many drafts, deleted several paragraphs, and ignored this document completely for several weeks. 

Refine the art of taking your time to think. If you took the time to read through this insanity-style block of text, I applaud you for taking this first step. Thinking will be your sword, and patience your shield. Unlike what society (or our brain) tells us, not everything has to be instant. Knowledge, understanding, outcomes do not have to be instant, even if some of them can be. Think, wonder, ponder. Abandon searching up the answer right away. Think, wonder, ponder. This, I found, is our weapon against technological dependence.

[snowandstarlight]

i suggested that my med student look something up today and he immediately put my question into chatgpt and then showed me the results

...no

[aroace-polyshow]

sorry. normal now