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after s2/THOUGHTS-instagram post BELOW:(later on my ig post after s1 +my grishaverse show 1 year anniversary ig post with lots of edits♥)

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♥no words,no edits,no pictures will express my feelings right. I'm just so grateful and i can't believe it's truly real&i don't take any of this for granted/it means more than any of us will ever be able to say/all queer ppl,the lgbtq+ ppl,the neurodivergent ppl,ADHD&Dyslexia+so many many more ppl,the survivors of SA/of abuse of any kind. people who KNOW how important the found family is. people who know grief&loss. ppl who found comfort&safe home&so much love with/in this universe/these books/these characters/this fandom/this cast/THIS found fam/ppl who see themselves in these fictional ppl, fictional ppl who're holding our hands like real friends would/AND THEY ARE ALL FINALLY HERE.on our screens-netflix show/teenage me would NEVER think that the very first queer couple i've ever read about thinking 'wow,they're so cool,why MORE books can't be like this?'AND one of my most beloved YA bookseries could truly *really* be here-it means THE WORLD. it means EVERYTHING to have my favorite ppl on screen now as a young adult brought to life by this INCREDIBLE actors who CARE SO MUCH abt the books&characters they play. We're all so lucky to have them in our grishaverse fam. We're so lucky to have THIS SHOW to help us walk through so much of very dark and hard things in our lives.+pandemic?lockdown? another war-this time in Europe? I feel BEYOND grateful to be here will all of you, through every social app we can reach one another, from so many places all around the world and to KNOW this show and these people-fictional/real mean just as much to you♥

our queen @ lbardugo so many of us and so much of everything wouldn't be here without you. We love you forever.

some of us waited for MALINA winning against TheDarkling since2012. For our crows together as a group since2015. We have SO MUCH with s2. All book quotes&scenes that make us feel so much. none of that would be possible without our WONDERFUL cast(+everyone behind the camera from the crew)

our favorite sunshine+most badass grisha sun queen @ jessie_mei_li our THE BEST tracker @ archierenaux3 our shadow man who is nothing irl like the character he plays @ benbarnes our AMAZING #DaisyHead @ daisymayhead have you seen s2? Where is her EMMY? our queen in blue the one and only @ sujaya_dasgupta our unhinged crows leader @ freddycarter1 our THE BEST+most stylish sharpshooter @ kittheyounger AND our-or maybe just mine-favorite favorite favorite crow forever my underestimated badass demolitions expert @ jacktwolfe +our entire fandom parents and the only jack&rose TITANIC we know-our HELNIK @ daniellegalligan_ @ calahan.skogman +our queen of KetterDAMN the best Wraith forever @ amitasuman_

i missed Fedyor&Ivan this season @ juliankostov @ simonsears and Mal's pals @ anguscastledoughty @ andyburse1 but i LOVED more of my beloved David @ lucapasqualino + so badass and yet so full of heart our twins duo @ lewistanofficial @ longbrophy and our Sturmhond/King Nikolai @ paddygibson so much love for Nadia&Adrik @ missjoanna_rose @ alistair.nwachukwu +Dominik @ louisboyer

!! LINKS and CREDITS for this post:

after s1: https://instagram.com/p/CODgAnQr2XZ/

one year annivers: https://instagram.com/p/Cb7CdmfI-W1/

1. Grishaverse-CAST-my whole heart-twt messrxmoony

2. cast sings every time we touch+crows dancing+THIS CAST s2 wrapped- ig gossamer x

3. CHARACTERS-soldier poet -king -ig wespcr

4. no not just girls early March2023 wesper edit tiktok COME AND GET UR LOVE+ x2 FIRST WESPER edits i saw in Jan2022 after W casting ig wespcr + FIRST WESPER EDIT i've ever seen ig mrsblakex

5. Wesper-heart-eyes + about you twt edits x2

6. Malina- out of the woods + kiss it better baby x2 twt edits

7. SAB posts Feb21-2023-meet Wylan vid + GRISHA WOMEN ig wespcr +Helnik-Dani-Cal-tt dailywesper-in another life/ our parents, our jack/rose titanic we know/our fav enemiestolovers /happy edit bc helnik is still alive and fighting in the show

8. HELNIK treacherous twt -elizaxonly + enemy twt loveforcaptnswn

9. s1 edit genyakostyk--we re gonna need a miracle or two (Alina,Mal,Jes this vid really shows)

10. thanks NetflixGeeked-if SAB was a 90s show makes me laugh always.

honorable mentions of s2 really quick(not in any order)

-longer episodes

-all book quotes/scenes(fav quotes listed down somewhere)

-malina being malina

-5/6 crows is a BIG WIN anyway

-ep7, Freddy what is this fun surprise for book fans-it can be so MANY things!

-showing WYLAN's relationship with his father without actually showing it/his relationship with piano!/+how they handled showing he can't read./+his wonder and his awe and his chaotic and his talking back and-just his whole character and personality. So well done.(also when Kaz says 'Any questions?' Wylan wanted to ask 'What am I doing here?' but thought better of it.)

-ruthless Kaz winning The Dregs and Per Haskell over

- Kaz's past+trauma

-Jes's past+trauma

-Jesper in kilt throughout ep5,6,7,8-through ShuHan, saying something stupid, the fight with real Sankta N, then becoming THE ONE she chose to give the blade to, hallucination of his Mom, that little fight with Wylan, the deeper conversation with Wylan, running our of Sankta N place and giving Inej the blade, chasing after Wylan, kissing Wylan, getting back to save Ravka's king's life and fighting with that scary grisha while also making full realization that being a durast is a blessing not a curse, while also realizing Wylan helped him to understand that, through almost dying(again), going into the fold, reuniting with everyone and yeah basically saving the world. I guess everyone had the same clothes but Jes was in kilt in SO MANY PLACES like the weather? Wasn't he cold? What if he had to go to Fjerda as well? ALL IN KILT? Jesper Fahey, we love you.

- WESPER truly one of the best this season, because they were so safe while everything else was well.. scary or terrifying or heartbreaking or triggering or else. Darkling's grisha army? Scary. Rollins basically becoming the ruler of Hellgate? Terrifying. So many of my beloved people dying or almost dying? And then there's WESPER just being Wesper and my queer heart loved that. I've waited for so long to see them on screen. And as i think every other book reader i was.. SURPRISED no SHOCKED because i knew Wylan won't be 16 but somehow in my brain i didn't think adult wesper will be really well adult wesper. So i had to pause MANY TIMES bc wait they did what.. wait they kissed?.. wait they kissed again?.. after i saw them in bed together waking up and Kaz being Kaz i think i stopped pausing BECAUSE this is WESPER. and i can see how so many of you friends dont know how to feel with crooked kingdom parts in this season or Kanej getting closer or Wesper being this close already or the way Wesper met and all i can is that.. we want the crows yes? We want Kaz's past? Well then these characters are who we know-they just GET MORE AND MORE CLOSE every time they can, they are together so they grow closer. Both Kanej and Wesper. Because if they didn't-they wouldnt really be our kanej and wesper.. also truly Kaz's trauma and past haunts him and you really think he can somehow NOT decide to get revenge on Pekka right away? Brick by Brick, no matter the cost? We have the crows and they have each other and they feel things and there's no way they couldn't. That being said quickly abt Wesper.. i guess personally i need more teasing and the banter and the flirting and the slowburn just all that book wesper had before they got THERE where in so many ways show Wesper already is. They met they got to know each other went through some horrible adventures together discovered they like one another and then decided to move together after like weeks?months? of knowing each other? That's book wesper. But NO i dont think show Wesper is that different the core of Wesper is there(and for all upset people the 'Do the Shu not kiss before noon?' can still happen because even if Jes will know Wylan better he could so easily get overwhelmed by the world and do stupid things you know?-I'm not sure if this is a joke or not but yup) Because i had DAYS to think about it and this is exactly how more adult Wesper could act. How Kaz would act around them. I understand some of you may be not so happy with the beginning since there was no "You can't kiss me from down there, Wylan" before Jes understood Wy is an epic demolitions man and no "No. Not just girls" scene before they even kissed (so grateful Jack and Kit did that for us in that interview and SO GRATEFUL that Kit said Jes is bi-because there're still people out there who don't acknowledge that and it hurts. But that interview means THE WORLD to me.) But yes, so many book quotes that now won't work. For both Wesper and Kanej i believe. EVERYONE it's a tv show. They can make so much work in some impossible way still. And some just won't work and that's okay(?) because no matter if it's a fight between malinas or darklinas or sab and soc we are ALL grateful for this show and this cast and WE WILL BE STREAMING NON-STOP for the first 28 days at least so netflix would see we NEED more of this world on our screens. So, last thing about Wesper, maybe they can pull them apart and then together again? Since there's so much stuff Jes doesn't know about Wylan(also is Jesper the only one who knows W can't read or Kaz noticed?/also how long ago Wylan was *forced* to leave his house and for how long Kaz knows him? Does he knows KNOWS him, tho?) There's also Jesper's gambling addiction and his past and his dad and him fighting more and more with Kaz and it's not like he will just accept being a grisha and boom done. It will take time to learn to feel about it differently. So yes, i am hoping for even more deep wesper talks in the future and time alone on their own when they grow and learn and truly understand that they need each other.

FAVORITE SEASON2 QUOTES:

'What?We just got back in town'

'Never thought I'd miss the Fold'

'You were with the funny guns and the angry hat'

'Careful is something you learn from losing your fingers'

'Can I get anyone some tea?'

'It's because you're a symbol. You're not just a sunshine, sunshine.'

'And you trust Kaz?'

'You remember that NOW?'

'You've been on safari when?'

'What you did tonight made you a crow'

'Yeah, of course.. We don't'

'I'm here for the killers. People like me.'

'Wait this is a 'proposal' proposal'

'All that matters is that we know what's real'

'We can't tell Kaz about Alby'

'Jesper Fahey, are you worried about me?'

'Well, I know now. And I'm not going anywhere'

'Kaz, Alby Rollins can't help who his father is. And you.. you can't punish him for that. I won't help with that'

'You came here for Ravka. I came here for you. You're my flag,Alina,you're my nation'

'Danger-fun'

'I kinda like your face'

'No mourners.. No funerals'

'I want you to remember'

'I might very well have left you first. But that was before I got to know you'

'That was even better than the last time'

'This is never going to happen. I'll destroy the only thing you have left'

'Look what he did to her!'

'Your beauty is your armor. It's fragile stuff,all show,really. But what's inside you,that's steel. It's brave and unbreakable and it doesn't need fixing. You don't need fixing'

'I said something stupid'

'Brekker..Just breathe'

'Of course it hurts!'

'You're trying to tell me how to feel about my shame! When you're hiding the very thing that makes you special.. I'm talking about the fact that you're Grisha'

'Because it's not a blessing, it's a curse'

'This is how we die!'

'I cannot believe that I get to see this in my lifetime'

'I was just a kid. I needed you too'

'I need YOU'

'And you,Malyen Oretsev,are the firebird'

'She's not sacrificing herself for me!'

'He's not my weakness. He's my universe'

'That sounds like Ravka's problem'

'Except for you,in the hat'

'When I saw it,all I wanted in the world was just to tell you about it and squeeze your hand'

'Everyone's lost their minds'

'No.-I'm it'

'No.Out!'

'We're both running out of time'

'I will not kill you!I won't do it!'

'I could process a fragment of Mal's bone and fuse it with your.. well,fuse it with you. Like we did with the Stag. Rember?.. Of course you remember'

'An ordinary life full of ordinary things'-'If love can ever be called that'

'How they are so powerful?!'

'Nina Zenik. Heartender. Big fan'

'I mean,yes,Expert'

'If you die we don't get paid'

'I'm sorry.. did you say Mal is a bird?'

'Yes!My Man!'

'I love you'-'You know where to find me'

'Mal and I changed the world'

'I will save myself'

'There's five of us'

"I can't feel his heartbeat'

'Choice. Not destiny. Choice. That's the real true north'

'My brother is never coming back. Yours still can'

'Stay in Ketterdam. Stay with me'

“And how will you have me? Gloves on? Fully clothed? And your head turned, so our lips never touch?(..) I will have you without your armor,Kaz Brekker,or I will not have you at all'

'Djel will absolve me. I am clean'

'Of course she is. We're fantastic.'

'But I look amazing in blue'

'Any questions?'

and finally s2 - in my opinion:

-Fedyor-ok Ivan is dead and F/in the books/as well but not even one scene with him/even scene where he dies fighting on Alina's side/not even mention of him?//and SOMEONE had to let other grisha and Zoya know about Nina and M, yes? So where's F? What's up with that?

-you have Jack playing the piano and you don't have him also SING as Wylan? are you SERIOUS?

- The change in Malina's ending(not sure how i feel about that truly) how they aren't 'dead' to the world and not together together, leaving everything behind like 'ok,we're out now it's YOUR turn bye. We retire to be happy and at peace and in love' bc it was SO malina of them AND also they were both kinda reborn like phoenixes-getting a second life, second chance. And i loved the idea of it but now.. there's so many possibilities and i have absolutely no doubt they will reunite since they are each other's home and endgame but yeah just not sure how i feel about the change in the ending. Nina not Twins? Ok. Alina using Merzost just by saying PLEASE i guess that's ok, too. But was it necessary? After all Mal is our grishaverse very own Jesus figure-he just came back faster..without merzost but the price she paid is her light, correct? Since that cut was pure shadow? So she goes to Shu Han to return the blade, obviously doesn't turn evil. She reunites with Mal and before they both have some freedom and just a break a moment for themselves and then they can return and help king Nik or decide not to? I loved for Mal to do something on his own so quickly after. At least he escaped this whole mess. But twins go back to N and Inej takes a break or just returnd fully to the crows bc JURDA PAREM??

-WESPER 1st meeting, like i NEED it okay? I just waited for that flashback so much. I NEED it. That's all. Even if it's dark and messy and quick and whatever i just ALWAYS need more wesper content. It's a rule for me. My yt most searched for YEARS is "Jesper and Wylan" for a reason! *they are just THE BEST* also wait THE NIGHT WE MET song was Wesper song after all or not?

-is Demon Nikolai in deleted scenes bc I want this

-as a HUGE malina fan i don't care about the lack of white hair or no tattoo we all so love or even not THAT MUCH about how different Baghra's death scene was BUT GenyaDavid DavidGenya .. she wasn't even happy and safe FOR A MOMENT there was war and shadow monsters and the Fold..and they did not get married-like i have read ROW only once bc as much as i loved return of my 2 fav grishaverse couples MALINA and WESPER, and Kaz(?) I just.. i'm still not over it. That certain death. So i dont remember the details but.. i want a funeral, there should be one. If you go THERE go there fully so i could sob even more. But yes, the ruby, the plan of the ring-it showed like.. those compliments-the list. It showed how David always thought about Genya,how hard he was trying for her. And the moment he protected her? The line 'i can't feel his heartbeat' is like 'i can't find David' in another universe my heart is so broken for G and i don't think i will ever be able to rewatch s2 and not sob.

So YEAH, CONGRATS S2-you delivered 2 deaths of grishaverse that hurt me the most(out of 3) only that I still did NOT recover from THAT one. So it hurts. D and Nik will never become friends in the show now never create and invent together-

WHICH IS WHY I LOVED WESPER SO MUCH. my joy this season among all the crying.

Fav episodes-2x06,07,08 (YES i love 2x01-how come it is barely first ep of s2? And yes 2x02 WESPER fighting scene, plus 2x04 KAZ and WESPER)

And yes s2 was so much greater than s1. I don't know where we go from here and if THAT will happen(SixOfCrows here comes trouble trouble..) but for now i'm just so grateful for being HERE.

For seeing Jes and Nina my bi duo just sitting there and watching unhinged Kaz. For Wylan who can admire butterflies and then feed them to his friends if that's what's needed. For Malina just being young and feeling the pressure. For seeing our Fjerdan in Hellgate. For Wylan playing flute and piano. For Inej and Jesper talking about Kaz. For all Genyalina hugs. For crows on THE cemetery. For Baghra's stories. For Wylan asking why NMNF. For another living Saint. For adult Wesper. For all the tiniest book scenes there-when N realized V is an idiot and they can all die, when Mal is being chased for being a deserter, and when V tried proposing to Alina. And "i love it when you quote me" and Zoya checking N out and Kaz telling her "your prince" bc Brekker is always the matchmaker. Genya and Kaz scenes this season. Tolya and Jes becoming besties. Zoya being "already a queen" for the scene when Inej cuts all the shadow monsters like a machine and Nina just slowly wakes up to see The Fold gone. For Kaz telling THOSE THREE about a new job.

NMNF

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ngl i find it hilarious that they just speedran crooked kingdom while matthias was just sitting in jail like 🧍‍♀️

IT'S SOOO FUNNY it was literally "Crooked Kingdom but they never got Matthias out of jail". He was just sitting there praying, drawing in the sand, developing friendship, and having sexy thoughts. Bless

I totally remember when everyone was still debating whether the bathroom scene will be present in future seasons after the sea whip plot when season 1 was released in 2021.. but now we got a Walmart version of it 🙃 No hate to Freddy and Amita.. Like I believe they could totally pull the canonical CK scene off if the showrunners cared about a steady paced plot.. So far, the only thing I frankly like about this season is the set designs

Bro I thought I could give up hope and get over it, but when I saw them in their final scene together,,,, how GOOD they were if the writing is plucked straight from the books and allowed some subtlety.... I was sitting there imagining they were on the Ferolind and it was 2 different scenes and dyin from happiness. Freddy Amita you deserved better

what made me super duper extra mad was the pekka confrontation scene included the other crows. like only inej is supposed to be there you really think kaz would say SHIT about his brother in front of everyone????? he literally called jesper jordie in the books and refused to elaborate on it when jesper kept asking. and even inej doesn’t get the full story out of him.

YEAH LOL this season took some truly important scenes for Inej and Kaz and just. Wrote Jesper into her place instead. And also Nina. And Inej is now the one with the LEAST context for his trauma (except for Wylan, who still knows Nothing). This is not who Kaz is this is not what he would have done this is NOT HIM

The way I don’t even care abt getting kaz’s backstory anymore in this season and can’t be convinced to watch it bc the show already butchered literally everything else with his character. Speaking of I don’t think I’ve seen anyone even go into detail or talk abt it much which probably says a lot abt everything else the show is doing lol.

NJKnkjnkj you see, the writers just decided to tell us his entire backstory in shittily-placed flashback during the first half of the season, so waiting for his backstory isn't a thing. There is no buildup. No hints. You find out most of it in ep1. Remember how bad and scary it was in the books? Well here it is really lazily shot and cliched and just seems like not a big deal at all, which is probably why no one is mentioning it

@jfkisonthemoon asked:

okay wesper IS being sped through as terribly as kanej. but i do have to say that theyre at least fun to watch and the dynamic from the (end of the) books really is there. it probably helps that the casting is perfect and that im looking for any crumbs of non-ruined book content, but still.

Crumbs help us cope, no worries, that's great for you! But I honestly really disliked their new dynamic, is was very flavorless. What, Jesper just decides to be monogamous out of the blue because Wylan told him he doesn't seem like someone who would do it and also played a few bars on the piano???? It's killing me because Jack is such a good Wylan, they nailed the balance between assertiveness and cuteness he needs, but for WHAT

#eernask #eernanon #jfkisonthemoon #eernask talk grishaverse #sab spoilers

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Crows With A Side of Bone, Please

Hamliet finally wrote that review.

I'll start off by saying that everyone is a very good actor. Jessie Mei Li has essentially nothing to work with, but she does her best to sell it anyways and still makes me care about her. Ben Barnes is delightfully evil while still affording the character sympathy the narrative doesn't give him.

The Crows--oh lord, the Crows. All of them have chemistry as a group and as couples. Wylan's actor is fantastic here and feels like a natural fit with the other 5, and Nina's actress also fits perfectly with the crew. They do have a lot to work with, and they manage to fully flesh out their already 3D characters and make them alive.

Kanej, Wesper, Nina/Matthias, Genya/David

The good ships, because this season I revoke my like of Malina that season 1 introduced me to.

I wrote this about Kanej. But also more about Kanej, because OTP OTP OTP.

I loved the final scene with them in the finale, where he grabs her, and she holds his hand and tells him, bluntly, that she does not want him with armor on. The line is one of my favorites in the book, and the show did an excellent job of showing the totality of it, the wholistic nature of what Inej is asking for. Yes, she's asking for him without his cold persona, without his bravado. She's asking for his vulnerabilities.

But she's also asking for his body. For him not to see her as broken. For him not to settle for less than all of her. She is thirsty, and I honestly think this was a beautiful portrayal of someone who has been hurt and is wary, but still wants and believes in the potential for good in sex. The show made this aspect so much more forefront than I remember it being in the books, and I honestly love it.

I also liked the choice to get Wylan and Jesper together early on. The piano scene emphasizes both of their respective gifts, and Wylan's fear over what Kaz might do to Alby clearly projects Wylan's own fears about being condemned for his father. (Wylan is actually one of my favorites in the books because his disability is, imo, good representation.)

Nina and Matthias didn't get nearly as much screentime this season (together anyways), but they made the most of every moment anyways. Even when they are apart we see the potential in how they are still affecting each other. We see Nina's determination. We see Matthias's hurt. We see the pride and humility they both carry, and how both can inhibit and also free them. There's so much potential there.

The motif of prisons, of hiding, is very strong in the Crows' arcs. Matthias uses his masculinity as a prison and chooses to fight over be free because he's scared. Wylan hides his family and disability. Jesper hides his gift. But if you want to have a complete life, you have to step out into the light. Which is a perfect way to segway into Alina, but...

Let's save the salt for later.

Also, not a ship, but I quite liked Nikolai. His character is one of the standouts in the original trilogy (because complexity). His volcra issue being rearranged timewise to be a cliffhanger I don't mind either.

David's death was, just like it is in Rule of Wolves, cruel and pointless. Just like Matthias's in Crooked Kingdom. Give Genya happiness. She earned it. So did David. Love seeing a woman who's been sexually abused and maimed find hope and healing with an autistic man who is almost NEVER a love interest in stories and then he dies for The Sads. Real inspiring. Real thoughtful. There is no narrative nor character reason for it to happen at all, and so early only made it worse honestly.

Show, Don't Tell

Mal tells Alina he has so many friends in the army that he's worried about, but we saw exactly 0 of these in the previous season. In fact, we saw Mal pulling away from the army to pursue Alina.

It was ridiculous that Alina's response to Kirigan in the climax saying people would come for her was "I will save myself," and then literally ONE SECOND LATER Inej saves her. Alina has never saved herself this entire dang series. Not in either season. The Crows save her each and every time! And that's not a bad thing--it could offer something about the power of relying on others, but to blatantly lie to your audience when you've shown us something else... bad writing yo.

I also wish they'd given us a reason to care about Ravka. They keep saying it's worth saving, worth protecting, but... why? We aren't even given the easiest narrative techniques to make us care about the common people (see, Alby making us care about Pekka even though we hate him=a good way of making us care. Give us a child who needs saving, a connection to the people, something, anything. If people deserve saving just because they are people well, that demonstrably flies in the face of what happens to Kirigan, so....)

Imprinting

It still baffles me that Alina again preaches about choice and yet even fate determined Mal's finding Alina. It was literally imprinting. That's what imprinting is. And for some reason Malina is held up as... healthy? When it's clearly extremely codependent?

It's not a huge problem that it's codependent, though, on principle. It's fiction. What does bother me is the hypocrisy of trying to tear apart every bad thing "bad boys" do while portraying Malina as healthy when it's demonstrably not. Malina would be far, far more interesting, frankly compelling, if they actually delved into this. The cliffhanger hinted they might do just this, but given other aspects, I'm not sure I quite trust them to follow up and follow though.

If you're gonna condemn what some people like and hold up what you like in comparison, at least make sure you're honest about its flaws.

Abuse is Bad Except Not if a Woman Does It. Then It's Girl Power!

Again, the themes of the Crows almost, at times, contradict Shadow & Bones' purported themes. But that's not hard, because Shadow & Bones' purported themes contradict themselves.

I've said this before, but I'll say again that there is a difference between complexity and paradoxes and portrayal the oft-contradictory reality of our world and contradicting your theme. A contradiction is much more common in a simplistic story, which S&B is.

Why is it wrong and seen as a sign of evil beyond comprehension for the Darkling to hurt his mother, who is acknowledged even by the show to have abused him, but not inherently wrong for Alina or Inej or Kaz to hurt their abusers?

Literally Bhagra said "know that i loved you and it wasn't enough." We are NEVER shown her loving him; we are shown abuse, which the show does kind of acknowledge, while also trying to vindicate Bhagra while holding the Darkling to standards it doesn't hold any other character.

Yes, there's some complexity here insofar as Inej and Kaz's relationships with abuse and revenge go. They aren't black and white, and the characters waffle in the gray. But Alina and the Darkling literally are light and darkness, and the gray is explicitly rejected. And there is actually a way to make this work!

You have to frame it as a tragedy.

Kaz, Inej, Genya et al mess up and do terrible things in revenge; they even at times (especially Kaz) walk the line between utterly losing themselves to it. But they have people around them to pull them back, to reach for them. The Darkling does not. This could be portrayed as something sad, as someone trying to reach the hurting child inside him and him continuously rejecting them (for example, Adam and Blake in RWBY), with his death framed as something to mourn rather than viewed as a moment of triumph, but no. The show doesn't offer him this (to be fair. Neither did the books.)

And to people who say Alina's not obligated to do so! Yes, yes, sure, but also Alina's inherent goodness is just assumed, when she's demonstrably kind of callous at best. I talked about this more in my review of Season 1, but yeah. Nothing's changed on that front.

The point is also that... what has the Darkling actually done to Alina? There were ways to emphasize him as an abuser, which he is clearly coded as, but the show (and the books tbh) doesn't do that. Alina supposedly mourns her parents, but we're given a handful of lines and nothing to actually show us the impact of losing them. (Again, Alina's self-centered focus is actually very much a trauma response to this... or could be, but the story doesn't want to explore it.) The impact of his lies is just not really explored on a deep level like it should be if you want to go for the "abuser" angle. See again, Blake Belladonna for how you do that.

Alina's "there is no redemption" line was baffling to me. It was framed like some sort of powerful "I. Am. Iron Man" moment, except okay, if that's your power girl, I don't think it's a good one.

Power Fantasies

This is my issue with Shadow & Bone the books as well: they aim to deconstruct "Beauty and the Beast" but fail to understand the appeal of the story in the first place is not "oh i have a dangerous boyfriend" but instead a healing power fantasy the same way fight-punch-kick can be a power fantasy. Shadow & Bone also directly tries to deconstruct Jungian symbolism of the shadow, but also doesn't like, understand what Jungian symbolism stands for. Until the ending, that is, when the writers were clearly like "Bardugo doesn't get it but we do and we're keeping it."

Again, I'll contrast this with Blake in RWBY, whose portrayal I have criticized before, but which is much better than the portrayal here. Blake is herself both beauty and beast, which emphasizes the traditional fairy tale's emphasis on accepting the worst of ourselves and recognizing both the beautiful aspects of ourselves at the same time. We tend to see ourselves as either Good or Bad, but only when we see ourselves as both do we mature and truly live. Even though Adam is ultimately "put down" in RWBY, Blake still acknowledges her flaws and doesn't see Adam as inherently bad, but he leaves her absolutely no choice. Alina facing down the Darkling offers her zero introspection and growth.

Sigh. It's a 2.5/5 for me. The Crows are everything. I want their spin off. I need it. I will take Zoya and Nikolai too.

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gellavonhamster · 1 year

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shadow and bone s2 (ugh)

In a few words: script bad, cast good, I have Opinions and you will hear them (but maybe don’t read this if you genuinely loved this season, I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade)

In more than few words:

the bad:

taking so many books and stuffing them all into eight episodes was decidedly not a good idea. It’s rushed. It also ruins all hopes for a more or less book-accurate Crows storyline that the Helnik part of s1 had me harbouring, because so much of Crooked Kingdom has already been used

it is not enough to reproduce a moment from the books on screen if the context which made that moment powerful in the books is lost. An example would be “Goodbye, Aleksander” - no one knows his name in the books, it’s the final moment of humanity allowed the man behind the villain, but there’s nothing surprising about this address in the show - but there were many such cases

I realize that some levity is needed and the books aren’t completely serious either, but some of the funny ha ha stuff felt so unnecessary... like when that one follower of the Darkling says something like “uh-oh” when she notices a grenade is about to explode next to her. MCU disease

there was something off about Kanej this season. I don’t think he pushed her away that much in the books. This is slipping into the more stereotypical “you’re better off without me!!” territory, which is not really what they were in the books

why the hell is Heleen dead? Inej should be the one to destroy her - it’s her nemesis, the Pekka Rollins to her Kaz, she deserves that

also, why the hell was Dunyasha replaced with some random creepy guy? I don’t even like Dunyasha, but I enjoy the dark twin thing she and Inej had. It felt important

speaking of the characters I don’t even like that still deserved better treatment, all of the Darkling’s scenes were so boring to me this season. Boring ass cliché villain lines... it’s like this was made for TV and they needed some parts when the audience can go to the bathroom

Jesper and Wylan = big cringe :( those slutty bisexuals can never remember who they sleep with, amirite

do NOT like Tolya apparently developing a crush on Inej, he’s as aroace in the books as it can get in a universe where such terms haven’t been invented yet. They better do NOT erase that

the good:

the cast continues to be perfect. They’re taking the mediocre script they’re saddled with and making it better with their skills, chemistry, and charm. I love everyone in this bar

Nikolai! I’m trying to remember why I was unsure about this casting at first and can’t, but in any case, I was wrong - he was very good. Properly charming and annoying, with a touch of the boy king and a touch of the Too-Clever Fox, just the way it should be

the small interactions between the Crows like Jesper hugging Inej or Nina and Kaz having to pretend to be a couple made me happy

Jesper’s poison-induced hallucination might’ve been predictable, but I loved seeing him and his mom together, loved Aditi in general

the BEE!!! Yeah, that was some good foreshadowing

Genya and David were one of the best things about this season, I love them so much

the mixed bag:

I was really glad I saw spoilers about David’s death in advance because otherwise I might’ve punched the screen, but then I watched the last two episodes and... no one warned me the body wasn’t found? Come on, it’s fantasy, if the body wasn’t found, it usually means something. A Twitter mutual of mine suggested the Darkling might come back in David’s body, which I would not like to happen, but otherwise I am pretty excited about the possibility of some kind of Came Back Wrong (or - dare I hope - even a happy ending?..). Of course, he dies at a later point in the books, but the showrunners have admitted that what they’re making is essentially fanfiction, and saving the character expected to die is a very fanfiction thing to do. The problem is, their fic hasn’t been particularly good so far. Still, I am very curious about how this is gonna turn out

I am one of the few people who think TGT had a good and appropriate ending, but show!Alina is different enough from book!Alina for me to believe the changed ending works well. Show!Alina has definitely suffered, but she’s still seen less death and pain than book!Alina (no execution of Ana Kuya; no death of Botkin either, as far as I recall; no Harshaw; no Fedyor dying; Marie’s death is less brutal and doesn’t happen in front of her eyes, etc.), she didn’t spend as much time underground, she wasn’t as manipulated by the Apparat in addition to the Darkling. She’s also much more ambitious and eager to be a leader. It makes sense for book!Alina to want a quiet life where no one would bother her anymore, but it also makes sense for show!Alina to take an active part in reforming Ravka. And it also makes sense for Mal to want to find out to what extent his feelings for Alina were real and what was just amplifier stuff, to find his own path now that there is no predestination for him. I do believe Malina will be endgame in the show as well, because the showrunners are planning to adapt the Nikolai duology too, which means Zoyalai and Zoya as the queen, but I have no idea how it all is going to happen

it looks like we’re going to see dark!Alina, which could be interesting! Alas, I don’t trust the writers of this show to make a good job of it

not gonna lie, the idea that Sturmhond is a title one can pass on like Dread Pirate Roberts in The Princess Bride is funny af

I saw a tweet pointing out that it makes sense for Inej to “train” on Sturmhond’s ship before captaining her own ship later, and on the one hand, I agree, but on the other hand, how are they going to bring her back for the Ice Court Heist if she’s already at sea

#shadow and bone spoilers #shadow and bone netflix #leigh bardugo #gella talks grishaverse #talk talk talk #i think i remembered everything i wanted to say #tried to write this yesterday but headache got the best of me

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argikiya · 1 year

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First of all, Shadow and Bone season 2 released on the most unfortunate time and in between my exams, but today was the last one and me and my non existent self-control have managed to binge watch it. And I have finally made up my mind about what to think of this new season.

I saw a post that said that for the book readers the series is like a very well written fanfiction. I obviously loved the books but it is like seeing your favorites from a different point of view, and I can’t say that I did not enjoy it.

What I loved: Even though they changed a lot of plotline and the character relationships I think they did justice to the characters and for some made them more interesting. Like most of us can agree Mal and Alina is quite a bland ship, though it remains the same, but Mal’s character in here is way better than the books. Mainly I like his change of story line in the last episode, it was quite interesting. Kaz’s backstory was shown pretty well. His trauma and past was touching and not just another random backstory. Next is the Darkling. I think his character has a lot of depth than the books. His last monologue was my favorite. In the books he is kind of like a pure evil character but here he is more of a perfect grey character and I appreciate this change. As for Wesper, even though I loved the slow burn romance, I very much enjoyed the speed-run. It’s like we get to know more of their relationship after Crooked Kingdom but for those who haven’t read the book I don’t know what they thought of it. I can only recommend them to go and read the books.

The Little things: I loved the little interactions between Inej and Alina. Inej's the cool as fuck action scenes OH MY GOD. The Crows saving everyone’s ass. Wylan saving the crow’s ass. Zoyalai interactions. All the Kanej moments from the books had me screaming. I love the angst. Tolya and Tamar, the coolest duo. Mathias😭

I hated: Mostly these are also the little things. Inej’s backstory, I don’t think they are going to show it more but it would have put more dynamic in her character. Kaz already telling he is looking for her family. NO! You were supposed to surprise her with it Kaz. Nina did not get a lot of action in the second half, she was mostly injured here and there. Kaz and Nikolai interactions was not supposed to go like that. And let's not talk about Genya and David just yet.

What’s next: I can only guess they are going to focus on King of Scars and Six of Crows, if there is a next season (can’t put my faith in netflix), and I guess Wylan’s backstory and his father will be kind of main plot of it, which I am very eager to see.

Honestly the first trilogy(s&b) is not the best installment of the Grishaverse and there is lot of potential in the plot and the characters if they change it correctly and I hope the changes would not be disappointing, while the SoC plotline and character dynamic is kind of perfect, so the less they change on that the better. And lastly, the last cliffhanger had me very intrigued for what comes next.

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justanotherfanaccount · 1 year

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it is time

shadow and bone s2e8 reaction...the season finale

"wait...mal is a bird?" I love you jesper

kaz giving nikolai his cane 😭😭 #besties

OMG DEAD "yes! my man! ...oh I mean we haven't actually put a label on it.."

noooo!! this mal death scene is actually heartbreaking!!

"make them redraw all the maps" 😭😭

I'm sobbing omg I can't do this

THE FLASHBACKKKSSS DONT SO THIS TO MEEEE

inej and Zoya my badass queens 😭😭 (sorry for the crying I haven't recovered from the mal death)

THE DARKLING YELLING TO LEAVE HER ALONE 😭😭

THE DARKLING ACTUALLY DID LOVE HER STOP STOP STOP STOP

alina noooo 😭

this is so painful...

in the books I felt like he had to die...and alina was doing the right thing but now I just feel so heartbroken 😭😭

"make sure there is nothing left of me" "blue skies" 😭😭😭 "MY LITTLE SAINT"

ITS TOO MUUUUCCCHH

alina no...

this is going to cost her...I'm just not sure what yet

NOT KAZ KNOWING THE POEM TOLYA WAS SAYING

kaz's face when jesper hugged inej cuz he knows he can't 😭😭

THE CUT OF ON THE FIVE OF CROWS PLEASE!

no matthias...no Matthias don't do it

David nooooo don't be dead! don't be dead!!

not a ring with a ruby 😭😭 omg I can't take this

what does that bee mean..? I might be looking into it too deep...

MAL AS A PRIVATEER I LOVE IT

"choice...not destiny" 🥺

kanej scene omg omg omg

HES BEEN LOOKING FOR HER FAMILYYYY

"what do you want then?" his facials were so perfect 😭😭

THE SCENE ITS THE SCENE OMG ITS STRAIGHT FROM THE BOOKS I CANT TAKE IT

this scene already broke me when I read the books I can't do this they're such good actors the lines are perfect omg omg I cant

YEEESSSS MAL AS STURMHOLD

inej in the ship!?!?! hold up

WHAT ABOUT SIX OF CROWS HOLD UP

NO NOT A TOLYA AND INEJ THING!!! THIS BETTER NOT BECOME A LOVE TRIANGLE

what is going to happen in these next 20 minutes??? I'm so scared

oh god...NOT THE WOLVES

damn!! yes! he's controlling the wolves!

oh god...he just got pardoned but now he won't be

I HATE PEKKA ROLLINS I NEED HIM DEAD

kaz buying out indentures 🥺🥺 my baby

I. do. not. trust. the. apparat.

fuck this guy I love nikolai

oh noooo I knew it was coming but I still wasn't prepared

HE SAID THE LINE

yes Zoya get your man

IS KAZ TALKING ABOUT THE ICE COURT!?!?! AUGGHHHHGHFH

omg yes he is omg omg omg omg

girl don't do it girl

DID ALINA JUST USE THE DARKLINGS POWERS!?!?! OH MY GODDD!!!!

#i need a six of crows spinoff #i need it #i need it so bad #shadow and bone #shadow and bone spoilers #shadow and bone s2e8 #sab #sab spoilers #sab s2e8 #six of crows #soc

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booklovingturtle · 1 year

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Shadow and Bone Season 2 Rambles (SPOILERS)

S&B S2E8 season finale

DO NOT GIVE ME ANOTHER KAZxDARKLING FIGHT

I know Kaz did that for the money but still that was cute

pls just kill him this is so dumb

YES DEATH

Also shout out the nina plot convenience save

Inej and Zoya look amazing

The Darkling is delusional its giving Dmitri voicemail

Ben? The Darkling is terrible but I will miss him

NOOOO ALINA GIRL WHAT ARE YOU DOING

DOES SHE DO THIS IN THE BOOK??????

can you guys tell I really don't remember the S&B books at all?

Nina knows....

Wait I just realized she doesn't have white hair I really wanted to see that

I LOVE THAT EASTER EGG

Mal knows

Guys I really need someone to retell me the plot I don't remember

Ohhhhh wait I think I'm starting to get it is this their way of extending it so that we get more showline from them?

Aw nooo my scruffy boy's gonna get scruffier...whatever shall I do

I AM SOBBING THEY BETTER NOT HAVE KILLED MY BOY I WON'T BELIEVE IT TILL I SEE A BODY GUYS I CAN'T HANDLE THIS STOP JOKING WITH ME IF THIS ISN'T REALY THEN GIMME BACK MY DAVID RIGHT NOW

THEY'RE HOLDING THIS SHOT WAY TOO LONG I DON'T LIKE IT ARE YOU SERIOUS RIGHT NOW

FOR DAVID???? THEY KILLED HIM??? SERIOUSLY??? WAHTOIAHTOIAHFOAHRFOUAHRUIAHRIFHAEOIHAOIR;GAOIFHADSFHAISUHFAUOHGAUHGAUIHFAHOFIAOFAO;SDFJH;A

i know he dies in the King of Wolves book or whatever but that was fine bc i didn't read it so i can just pretend that isn't in the books but THIS IS JUST CRUEL

So Nikolai isn't a Shadow Fold monster dude?? I just realized that

lmao I am not interested in the show post-bookcannon tbh this better be a hard pivot into the Crows bc I don't care about Malina or Ravkan politics enough to keep watching after the book canon story

how is there still 30 whole minutes left this episode feels done the only thing left is to wrap up the crows and give us a teaser for next season that should be 10 minutes AT MOST

I feel like this Kanej scene isn't the serve they think it is...it works GREAT for me as a reader and lover of SOC but if I was just a viewer idkkk

Inej looks amazing

My poor boy he just wants to be right with Djel and the world keeps kicking him down

Nina girly get this boy out with Dirtyhands

Ahhh yess so he will be a monster yes the this is good

That crown/gown look terrible I'm sorry bring back the kofta

EXCUSE ME YOU WANT ZOYA STOP LOOKING AT ALINA LIKE THAT

yes Zoya look at him

That coat looks bad too

I am affectionally insulting the royal fits btw

LOVE THE JURDA PAREM DROP

huhhhhhhhhhhhh...darkling cut....okay??? uhm

Choices were made

I must think more to decide how I feel about those choices

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wafflesandkruge · 1 year

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Misc. thoughts from eps 4-5 under cut, will post full review after i finish over the weekend

ger if you’re reading this i’m totally finishing my final <3

i’m so in love with the ravka parts of the show like the court politics are so well done

Other than the part with Nik’s mom calling him sobachka like that’s his derogatory nickname his brother calls him 🧍🏻‍♀️

On the topic of court politics I wish they hadn’t killed the king along with Vasily

We don’t get the scene where Nikolai threatens to try him for assaulting Genya, and when he exiles both his parents

And the crown just falls to Nikolai to default, he doesn’t have to fight for it in any way

DENYA DENYA DENYA

i’ve never said anything mean about sab ever

i love how they changed the “you’re steel” speech to be them alone and not in front of the others

their acting is so good they’re by far the most well done ship in the show

Nikolai

GIVING ALINA HIS COMPASS????? WHEN MALINA IS ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH COMPASS IMAGERY????? THEY ARE SO SICK

The entire chapel scene with those two made me go <33333

“HE LOVES YOU EVEN I CAN SEE IT” 😭

I might or might not be becoming a nikolina. stay tuned

favorite part of the episode was him getting progressively more disheveled and hot <3

Mal

I’M SO GLAD HE FINALLY FOUGHT WITH ALINA LIKE YES YOU CAN DO THINGS OTHER THAN JUST PASSIVELY SUPPORT HER

when he suddenly reappeared underground again alkfjdlafj what even was the point of vasily knocking him out

Zoya

Loveeeee how she got more mean. I do think the show tries too hard to make her like pop culture “sassy” instead of just mean and spiteful like let me girl live :(

her praying for liliyana at bhez ju felt weird, like i don’t think she would acknowledge her grief publicly. or maybe i’m just too much of a zoya stan

Alina

her martyr complex is going off. that’s all i got

Darkles

I can’t believe darkles is somehow the most book-faithful character in the season. love that for him

Crows

Oh my god don’t even get me started

The scene where Kaz confronted Pekka was so good if you just pretend it’s from a separate CK adaptation

Literally the way Kaz became Dirtyhands <3333333

amazing my favorite crows scene so far

kanej breakup???? that was just weird. kaz would never say those things.

also when he told inej before the plan “if this doesn’t work...get out of ketterdam” or whatever that was so ooc like a) kaz would never consider his plan failing and b) he would never admit his worry for inej so explicitly. like he’d just set up an escape route for her just in case and not say a thing about it to her. LIKE THE NET IN CK

ALSO WHY DID INEJ LET NINA REMOVE HER TATTOO

she doesn’t get to reclaim her trauma the same way she did in ck :((

i don’t wanna talk about wesper but decisions were certainly made

#my thoughts are so much more coherent this time #okay onto my final 😭#sab s2 spoilers #shadow and bone #sab #my post #nikolai lantsov #alina starkov #mal oretsov #six of crows

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aworldinsideofthem · 1 year

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Shadow and Bone season two thoughts

I tweeted a little as I watched, but I realised I wanted to put together my thoughts more longform, so here we go. In general: I liked it still but not as much as S1, I had Thoughts.

Spoilers for all of the season after the read more.

Idk maybe its the fact that they started referencing events from Crooked Kingdom - a source I care about a lot and um more than some of the other books - that I started to get pickier but I did.

To quickly get the Mal, Alina, Darkling, Nikolai plot of it all. I liked all the new casting (Nikolai took a little to grow on me, but Tolya and Tamar were great the whole way through). Generally I was fairly unmoved by it all, but this plot really isn't why I am watching the show. Genya gave me some feelings. Zoe Wannamaker is great. I preferred Ben Barnes' villain moments more in S1 but the end in the desert did make me feel a little bit.

I'll deal with the !!! end separately.

So, the Crows. I wasn't sure what I expected them to do - knowing that they wouldn't do The Ice Court - but idk I was a little surprised they mined Crooked Kingdom the way they did because in my mind it so clearly needs the events of SOC for emotional reasons for CK events to work, but I think they ... sort of pulled it off. Sort of.

I mean, they rushed the fuck out of it. I know they wanted to reunite the plots but I wanted more out of Kaz's revenge and yes we got a lot of investigation of Kaz's trauma but I wanted a bit more set-up for all the Crows. The cane fight was very good though. Freddy was great in the confrontation scene - so good - but I admit I missed the quiet of the book church scene and that only Inej saw it. Inej not being there, it being surrounded by lots of people ... it felt different.

The Kanej: they hinted at book stuff but it all just felt a little watered down. Yes we got the bandages scene but only nods to it because they're not really there yet emotionally, and yes he tried to get her out and got her freedom but I didn't really see the point in having that weird fight in the middle. Yes, he is pushing her away but it just seemed odd. The hallucination scene was feelings-y but kinda confusing in why they had that for Inej, but the recovery form it was nicely done with the softness in Kaz's eyes before the !!! sets in. However the final ep "I will have you without armour" scene was pretty great. And his looks when he saw her walk back with Alina and the sword! I love them.

Wesper: I liked Jack's Wylan from the get go and I thought him and Kit had good chemistry. Even with the plot changes I found them very cute and charming.

Also the bit where Jesper lists off how Kaz couldn't imagine doing this without him, and Kaz said yes all of that - but not the unlimited tab. I love me some Kaz and Jesper friendship.

Nina with the Crows was great. She doesn't take Kaz's bullshit and I loved the "there is five of us" moment at the end.

Matthias: welp sorry Calahan you had shit all to do. I did assume they were gonna get him out this season but uh guess that is for the Ice Court spinoff.

The end: haha they sure changed a lot there. A lot. Are they setting up something for S&B S3 and also SOC?? Now with Dark Alina in charge of Ravka and King of Scars Nikolai stuff?? Mal going away with Tolya, Tamar and Inej?? I liked that Inej is getting a pirate slave hunter moment (but I still need that Kanej boat scene. I need it). I guess they'll find a way to get her back? Will she get caught?? So many questions. So random.

I don't care about Mal x Alina really but uh if I did and that ending happened and I was expecting the R&R ending. Well.

Are they going to do a Tolya and Inej moment? I have mixed feelings.

Anyway in conclusion: I love the Crows! Some things were good! The actors were all great! But eh some choices I'm not sure about it. I need the Ice Court story though. Please Netflix.

Yes I have read book scenes and I might go hunt down some of my Kanej fic faves ...

#shadow and bone #shadow and bone spoilers #kanej #wesper #kaz brekker #inej ghafa #jesper fahey #wylan van eck

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