redjoey1992

[redjoey1992]

Now about the "controversy" revolving around the ending of the Lilo & Stitch live-action remake that has gotten people pissed off. To avoid any spoiler alert, don't read any further. Read at your own risk.

SPOILER ALERT: In the original movie, Nani, Lilo, and Stitch get to stay together as well as now including David, Cobra Bubbles, Jumba, and Pleakley into their o'hana along with now being protected by the United Galactic Federation.

In the remake however, The film ends with Nani going off to college to study marine biology, leaving Lilo and Stitch in the hands of their neighbors David and Tutu, along with Cobra Bubbles and Pleakley now being a part of their o'hana.

Believe me, this is the one that has gotten a lot of people angry because the message of both movies is "O'hana means family. Family means nobody gets left behind or forgotten" and people said that the remake's ending throws away the message with Nani going off to college, leaving Lilo behind to be handed to the state government. First off, that's not what happened. Nani does consider going to study marine biology, but she chooses to stay to protect Lilo. However, protecting Lilo is way too stressful for her, especially with Stitch now being added to her set of problems.

Earlier on, TuTu and Lilo did tell her that it was okay for her to go to college, and Mrs. Keoka, the new social worker in the remake, gave her a week to prove that she's a worthy guardian for Lilo. By the time when Lilo and Stitch nearly drowned and recovered, Mrs. Keoka told her that the government would pay for the health insurance if she relinquished her guardianship and she reluctantly agreed. Even in the original movie, Nani agreed to give up her guardianship with Lilo.

By the end of the movie, Nani finally gets to go to college and study biology, but if you watch the mid-credits. Nani is still able to contact Lilo and Stitch and she can visit them anytime via Jumba's teleportation gun. So basically, Nani DIDN'T leave behind or forgot Lilo at all.

I can relate to Nani in both movies. When my parents left the house, they made me my older brother's babysitter because they were too afraid to give him up, and it was very stressful for both sides. Now I'm living on my own, they still need me to watch Doug, but not all the time as before.

So if you people think that the remake Nani is very selfish for going to college and leaving Lilo behind to the state, you might need to watch it again because there are some details you missed, and another thing, O'hana doesn't need to be about blood relatives, it can be friends, neighbors, or a whole community. The remake is expanding on the heart of O'hana meaning that nobody gets left behind or forgotten. I'm surprised that a lot of people who grew up on the original would be angry at the remake's ending because of one person wanting to have her own life outside of her family. I saw the original growing up, and I think that the remake not only did the theme right, but also expanded on it. I swear the people who hated the ending may not have been bothered to watch the movie at all. Get outside, touch some grass, and smell some roses once in a while.

My main takeaway is that you shouldn't always judge a book by its cover, you need to read the contents completely to get a better understanding. Hell, I'm not a fan of the live-action remakes either, but you guys need to experience them first so you can make your judgment rather than take somebody else's. And that's my thought on the whole "controversial" ending of the Lilo & Stitch live-action remake.

Families don't always have to stay together all the time.

[redjoey1992]

If I were in charge of Hazbin Hotel, I would've just made Vox the main villain of Season One, maybe he can spread some misinformation about the Hotel, which can make business worse for Charlie and her friends. It would've made sense to why nobody has come to the hotel.

"I’m sorry, I just don’t buy Vox as a credible threat, and he shouldn’t have been the villain of season two. He would’ve been a great season one villain, but no, he’s not. My main problem is that the villains of season one were Adam and all of heaven. Now that Heaven’s defeated and Lucifer is at the hotel, what can Vox even do? He’s an overlord against the KING AND PRINCESS OF HELL. Nothing he can do will amount to anything. Plus, Valentino mentioning that Alastor “almost beat him that one time”, Alastor saying “he’d be powerless without the other Vee’s”, and Vox getting defeated and humiliated in his own villain song just adds onto the narrative that Vox is pathetic and not as strong as he says he is. With that being the case, what could he do that would match or be stronger than HEAVEN? Or even LUCIFER? Wasted villain in my opinion, he could’ve been a fantastic villain if he weren’t having to follow up Adam and Heaven. Oh well."

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[redjoey1992]

So metaphorically, Viv sold her soul to the devil, which is Amazon, in order to get both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss made. Sums it up right.

"As someone who was all for calling Helluva indie even with the outsourcing there is no way you can consider it indie now that Amazon is funding it. It's not even like Digital Circus on Netflix either, the episodes premiere on Prime a month before they do on Youtube from now on. So no this show does not count as indie anymore."

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[redjoey1992]

What Stella should've been in the series proper. Hell, I would've just given her Andrealphus's role in Mastermind and Sinsmas. Have her be the Mastermind in the plot. Now, that would've improved my viewing of the show a little bit.

Peak characterization of Stella I’d hope S3 goes with

[redjoey1992]

The more I remember Season 2 of Helluva Boss, the more I realized that the whole season has done nothing but have Blitzo be gaslit and talked down on for not admitting his feelings for Stolas and how he hunted him, when in the previous season, Blitzo was right to push Stolas away because he was being a creep and an imp racist. It makes me feel even more sorry for Blitzo, and it makes me feel even more disgusted with Stolas for his actions.

[redjoey1992]

It's almost as if both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are abandoning their indie animation roots. As Jonah Hill from This is the End said: "You did sell out, everyone says."

Viv acts like she's 15 years old still.

Cool, does this mean we can finally stop referring to Viv as an “indie animator”?

Both her shows are now streaming on a service that’s owned by an out of touch billionaire. Viv is no longer an indie creator, she’s part of the mainstream.

[redjoey1992]

I just so happen to come across a video about the Making of A Goofy Movie. It's really interesting.

The idea of having Goofy being voiced by a celebrity actor like Steve Martin is ridiculously dumb. With an original character, you can either cast a voice actor or celebrity actor, but with Goofy, he's basically a star in his own right so there's no need for a celebrity to voice him.

The reason why I brought this up is because I can't help but think about how Vivziepop pulled a similar stunt to the voice actors from the Hazbin Hotel pilot and replace them with celebrities, Broadway or otherwise. What makes this sad is that it wasn't an executive but the creator who wanted it. You can't help but feel bad for them after everything they've done to bring the pilot to life.

[redjoey1992]

Isn't that something Viv tried to do with Blitzø in Helluva Boss before she screwed it over by making Stolas front and center by the second season? If Vaggie is the main character, then Viv would've screwed her over by making Charlie front and center by the second season, therefore making Charlie the Stolas of Hazbin Hotel. I mean, if Helluva Boss can transform into a toxic yaoi ship worthy of fanfiction, I wouldn't expect Hazbin Hotel to follow suit and transform into a toxic yuri ship worthy of fanfiction. Other than that, I agree. Vaggie should've been the main character instead of Charlie.

"Personally, I think Vaggie would have been a better protagonist. Like instead of a fallen angel (a plotline which I still hate) into a regular hell citizen who lived an horrid human life in a low class system and the "straight man" of the cast. It would focus on her past, her relationship with the hotel cast and her friendship/romance with Charlie."

Submitted by @teethgutss

[redjoey1992]

So, I was thinking...what if during the Disney Fox merger, 20th Century Fox gets to own Walt Disney Animation Studios, Pixar, Marvel Studios, Lucasfilm, and Disney Television Animation, but Walt Disney Pictures (live action division) would have to be shut down forever? Food for Thought.

[redjoey1992]

So, I finally managed to see the live action remake of Disney's Snow White, and here's my honest thoughts on it. It's nowhere near as awful as people were saying before the film was even released. Actually, it's kind of okay at best. I feel like there is some potential in there.

First, let me talk about the positives. Rachel Zegler is clearly perfect for the role because she's basically a real-life Disney Princess and the best part of the whole film. The hate that Zegler received before the film's release is just ridiculously overblown and didn't matter. Also, the relationship and chemistry between Snow White and Jonathan is actually a clear improvement over the original. Don't take me the wrong way, I respect the original, but the Prince just shows up in just two scenes, and that's it. While him kissing Snow White is important, but...

As for the rest of the positives, the set designs, costume designs, cinematography, and some of the visual effects work very well. It's clear that a live action cartoon could actually work.

Now that the positives are taken care of, let me talk about the negatives. I wasn't impressed with Gal Gadot's performance as the Evil Queen. Sure, she looks the part, but she doesn't have the same menacing presence as the original, but I did enjoy her interactions with Snow White.

As for the Seven Dwarves, their CGI looks pretty uncanny to look at. A lot of people keep complaining how Disney didn't use actual dwarves, but I think CGI dwarves could've worked. You people complained about Sonic's old design and look how that turned out?

As for the songs, they're a mixed bag for me. I did enjoy "Waiting on a Wish", and the updated versions of "Heigh Ho" and "Whistle While You Work" but as for the rest. Some of them are forgettable at best.As for the Evil Queen's villain song "All is Fair," while it does have the making of a classic Disney Villain song, the execution fell flat. I think we all owe King Magnifico and his song "This is the Thanks I Get" an apology. To be fair, it's not a bad idea to give the Evil Queen a Disney Villain song, but since the original Evil Queen is more of a cold, menacing, and threatening presence, the song should've been similar to "Hellfire" from the Hunchback of Notre Dame.

Overall, Not the worst, but not the best either. Just okay at best. A live action version of Disney's first animated feature could've worked, but it needs a lot of improvements in order for it to be the fairest of them all.

[redjoey1992]

Viv has always stated that she was inspired by Bojack Horseman, but her work is completely the opposite. I'll bet Raphael Bobs-Wakburg would've criticized both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel.

"Viv being inspired by Bojack Horseman baffles me even to this day, because how do you look at a show SUPPOSED to call out the main character for all the bad stuff he did and you inspire yourself from it to represent the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the show is trying to convey. Because I can look at Beatrice and Stella is nothing like her."

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[redjoey1992]

In reality, Blitzo would've kicked him out of his apartment immediately for being ungrateful to Blitzo after taking him in. Seriously, Blitzo was right on everything about Stolas being a privileged asshole.

"Apology Tour" Grates Blitzo For Being So-Called Ungrateful To Stolas For Not Returning His Feelings, But Gives Stolas In "Sinsmas" A Pass For Being A Privileged Asshole To Blitzo After He Took Him in

Seriously, Blitzo really didn't owe Stolas anything especially after he abuse his power to get sex out of him. And no he didn't do shit to support his business and especially didn't care in "Harvest Moon" where he explicitly said his clients had to wait over doing his duties. And that so-called support is just him degratoringly degrading him in public which translate to the narrative as being unapologetically loving. Sorry, but that is bs. This is especially bs when we actually see Stolas himself be blatantly ungrateful to Blitzo after he pulled all stops making him comfortable. He still whines about how poor he is and stupid it was choosing to give everything up for him. Again if that's not creator's pet syndrome I don't know what is. Any other show this bird would be roasting for whining about his own mistakes and acting like he's owed everything just for doing not even the bare minimum.

[redjoey1992]

There's a reason why they scraped the tame collar plot for Zootopia.

I think i just realized why i hate hb now more than before. how helluva boss is being handled is like zootopia [ yeah, zootopia not zoophobia ] all over again but with a hell coat of paint on it. They scrap the more interesting story that follows the actually interesting protagonist in favor of glorifying the character who's abusing their position of power against the original main character and making them the abuser's partner and completely forgetting them abusing them. Like, literally it feels like two sides of the same coin.

The scrapped concept with Nick Wilde’s shock/tame collar is so wicked cool and I wish that was main focus. I still adore that concept till this day.

[redjoey1992]

It's like she would rather have Alastor as the main character of Hazbin Hotel and not Charlie. I don't know what she sees in him. He's just a generic version of the Onceler from Illumination's adaptation of Dr Seuss' The Lorax. Plus, Adam kicked his ass and it's hilarious. So what's the big deal with Alastor anyway?

Seeing alastor get repeat spots in figure/plush merch where another character could easily be feels like seeing spinoff fnaf merch instead of ones of the games we never got all over again.

oh you want merch of another character like carmilla or emily or even sera? Well fuck you here's blacklight and blackface alastor!

Alastor might as well be the main character of Hazbin Hotel. This man has so much merchandise that it’s not even funny.

There’s obviously more but we would be here all day long.

[redjoey1992]

For some reason, both of these shows feel like they would've been released in the 2000s, the kind of era that people wanted to make very adult animated shows and movies, but the executives reminded them of the whole "animation is for kids" bullshit.

"honestly i feel like we'd all be a LOT more forgiving of how bad vivienne's shows are if they were edgy shows from 10-20 years ago. it wouldn't make them better, but they'd have more of an excuse for how edgelordy they are"

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[redjoey1992]

Not to mention that Charlie did nothing to change Hell for the better. Everybody stays the same as they were before. So, these moments feel unearned.

Not to mention that she bungled up everything and unintentionally caused the extermination to happen in six months, and lost the court case that the hotel is an alternative.

Made a Thing

And I realized when getting these clips that these scenes are corny as hell.

[redjoey1992]

This is exactly why Octavia cut off any contact with Stolas. He keeps breaking promises to be there for her and only cared about having sex and flirting with Blitzo, despite the latter being very uncomfortable around him.

Stolas never cared about his daughter "and her well being."

Stolas only cares about Blitzø. His daughter is nothing more than an obligation to him.