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cherryredrosez · 21 days ago
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hi, I’m Vickie. Welcome to my blog..a few months ago, my friend Dex asked me to make an account, but I hadn't found the time to do so until now…so..here I am..I guess..
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Little bits of myself are in the bio…but I think I’m supposed to give more information than that..? So..here we go…!
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˚✮ gender; female
˚✮ sexuality; still..figuring things out, but straight ally for now I suppose..
˚✮ likes; flowers, scenery, books, cute animals, fruits..<3
˚✮ yikes; sudden noise, flashing lights, vomiting, sexualization towards minors, jerks, jocks, high school.
˚✮ favourite animals; penguins, cats, hummingbirds, butterflies, ladybugs, tadpoles, sea bunnies, regular bunnies, red pandas
˚✮ dream job; florist or nature photographer..anything involving flowers and scenery, if I’m being completely honest..
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also..may I please ask for no sexual or violent asks? It’s not only triggering to me, but to others who may be scrolling as well…thank you.
also, reminder that I am a minor..so please do not Sexualize me, or send disgusting asks..keep it mature, please? I don’t mind the occasional silliness, once in awhile.
That’s all I can think to put for now…oh! Also dni if you’re homophobic, transphobic. Racist, etc..shameful. Truly..
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((Well, well! We meet again, don’t we! Hello, hello! Mike/jj here (either is fine), aka moderator of this blog for my oc! Just wanted to say have fun, and don’t be a fucking creep<3 ((same Dni applies for here too))
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dragonanon · 30 days ago
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Okay, but please consider being a Zoan Cat user and accidentally getting “adopted” by a pirate crew after being mistaken for a regular ass cat. You honestly thought they knew you were a human at first, and by the time you realized they didn’t, it had been long enough that revealing yourself would’ve been awkward af, and you were then curious about how long it would take them to figure you out. So instead you stfu and be a relatively good lil’ ship cat.
You get free food, plenty of comfy places to nap in, and lots of scritches and attention from big men who’re surprisingly giddy to have a tiny cat on board. Why on Earth would you want to ruin that??
You get away with it for months. And the ONLY reason you get caught is because someone does something so unbelievably dumb that you absentmindedly say out loud “Damn, we’re really reaching new levels of stupid here.” You could hear a mouse fart in stunned silence that followed as you realize your inside thought did NOT stay inside, and now you want nothing more than to just disappear into the floor.
Shockingly enough, you’re forgiven and continue on as the ship cat; except now you can properly converse and interact with everyone. HOWEVER you’re still subjected to being picked up and held out towards everyone like Simba whenever you’re fully transformed into a cat lmfao
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hear me out…. hear me out………
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virtualbuddysim · 5 days ago
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Im so pissed I posted this on tt while I was shadowbanned <///3 this was my peak d&d au for ig technically both marble hornets AND creepypasta This one is with me and my friends ocs (Kit [left] belongs to my friend Romin or justkiting.cb on tiktok) lore and without mask BELOWWW
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lore vvvvv
So in this world the plot of marble hornets still happens but obviously it's more like,,,,fantasy
Tim used to be a fighter, he adventured around with Brian (monk) who came from a richer family
Brian knew Alex from like when they were kids so they reconnect when Alex (Alex wants 2 be a bard SO bad and is SO pretentious about it) invites the two to go on a quest with him and Jay (uhh maybe a ranger? idk)
That quest group falls apart similarly to the short film from the og and they all just kinda go their separate ways until Jay looks into what happened and so on and so forth
The most notable change is that the operator/slender is more like a deity now and Tim gets like forcefully class swapped to Warlock bc of that
OK NOW TO LIKE THE ACTUAL CREEPYPASTA STUFF
toby's backstory doesn't need any change rlly, he's a rogue
All the pastas are like kinda forced to be members of this guild by the operator and he js makes em go on missions, it's kinda similar to my interpretation of the regular creepypata lore and stuff
They can switch up the parties they go with though (That's how me and my friend said Kit and Moira met, they got paired with the main 3 and like they all had major issues with the arrangement LOL)
uhmmm some other characters have roles too so let me list thoseee
Nina - Ranger
EJ - Cleric?
Jeff - Barbarian orr Rogue?
Liu - I see him as a spellcaster and a maybe bow user idk but we have alot of bow users
Kate - rogue
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no mask masky absolutely NO CLUE why i never thought to make a version for brian? LMAO?
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silverwhittlingknife · 1 year ago
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hi Silver! o/ because that fanart made me wonder - would you happen to know when/where Dick's stuffed elephant plush Zitka turns up in the comics?
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GREETINGS CAM <3333 THAT ART WAS SO CUTE
Yeah, I think your instincts are right - it's a truly adorable bit of transformative fandom, but I'm 95% percent sure it's not comics canon. Barbara has canon plushies, but I don't think anyone else does.
I got kinda invested in the investigation (it's hard to prove a negative!) and I ended up typing out an entire History of Elinore/Zitka, so, uh, if you're curious, meet me below the cut for:
Where does Elinore / Zitka - the animal - appear in comics?
Did Dick ever have a stuffed elephant toy in comics?
Where does Elinore / Zitka appear in comics?
We're gonna go in chronological order!
Dick's circus elephant friend was first created for practical reasons: in Batman 436, Marv Wolfman does a big expanded flashback to Dick's circus backstory as a way to subtly show us Tim before officially introducing him (so that we can have a technically-solvable mystery-of-Tim's-identity in LPoD). In this comic, there's an elephant named Elinore who loves Dick:
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Aww. Such a cute elephant!
Batman 436 comes out in August 1989. New Titans 60 comes out a few months later, in November, and guess what? When Dick visits the circus, he is suddenly surprised by an unexpected blast from the past! It turns out that even though it's been years, Elinore still remembers him!
Here's the part where Elinore remembers Dick:
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SUCH a cute elephant. I love her.
(Guess who else still remembers Dick even though it was so long ago. Guess which other character is about to be an unexpected blast from the past. Guess which character Elinore is directly paralleling guess guess guess sorry everything is about Dick and Tim in my mind but I can focus I swear)
Four years later, in 1993, Batman: The Animated Series retells Dick's origin story. They like and keep Wolfman's elephant, but they change her name to Zitka:
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Wolfman doesn't return to the elephant beyond those two appearances, and a few years down the line, New Titans gets cancelled and Wolfman's not writing Dick anymore anyway. So the animal gets abandoned for a while, until Devin Grayson, a fan of both Wolfman and B:tAS, revives the Wolfman-era Titans team in JLA/Titans and then the ongoing series Titans 1999.
Grayson then brings back the elephant in a flashback to Dick's past in Titans 16 (Jun 2000), where she imports the B:tAS name. Sometimes I'm skeptical of TV-to-comics imports, but honestly, I endorse this one. You lose the alliteration, which is a shame, but IMO Zitka is a better elephant name than Elinore.
Here's Dick with the newly-christened Zitka in Titans 16:
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Grayson also briefly references the elephant in Gotham Knights 20 and - in a final angsty callback - in Nightwing 88 (Feb 2004), where Zitka tries futilely to comfort Dick in the midst of his trauma conga line:
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... And... honestly, I think that's it for comic appearances? The two Wolfman comics plus the three Grayson comics.
Both Wolfman and Grayson are writing multiple titles - Batman, New Titans, Titans, Gotham Knights, and Nightwing between the two of them, spanning a big chunk of Dick's post-Crisis canon - and both writers use the elephant for heartwarming moments of nostalgia, which means if you're doing a post-Crisis readthrough for Dick, Elinore/Zitka feels memorable. But I don't think she actually shows up that much.
For post-2011, I am not as well-informed - throwing this out to the dash? anyone know? - but I feel like Zitka the heartwarming symbol of Dick's heartwarming circus past is, uh, thematically very at odds with the Court of Owls evil!circus vibes, so my instinct is that this story element was almost certainly dropped in the reboot.
Did Dick ever have a stuffed elephant toy in comics?
In WFA, yes; in main comics continuity, no. Technically, I have not read every comic ever published, so I could be wrong!! But I don't think so.
Below, find my rambling reasoning on the tonal vibes of pre-Crisis, post-Crisis, and post-2011, and why this particular story element doesn't seem right to me for the first two.
Pre-Crisis (...okay, mostly the Silver Age): stuffed animal, yes or no?
tl;dr no, requires too much background knowledge on the part of the reader, plus the elephant wasn't a thing until later
Elinore doesn't get created until post-Crisis, but also just generally, pre-Crisis callbacks are more along the lines of this reference in Batman 129 (published in 1960), where, wow, Batman and Robin are hunting jewel thieves - and it turns out Robin recognized this strongman! BUT HOW?!
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The comic goes on to recap Dick's entire origin story in flashback, on the assumption that you may not know it.
(BTW, if you'd like to know more about Haly's Circus throughout the years, nightwingology has a great post here summarizing a lot of fun plotlines and characters!)
Basically: Silver Age comics are very self-consciously episodic and kid-friendly; they're not generally gonna do overly-elaborate callbacks because they don't know what comics their kid readers may have randomly picked up or remember.
By the time of post-Crisis, comic books were being written for an adult audience buying from the direct market, i.e. readers who are collecting whole runs & don't need or want Dick's origin story to be recapped to us in full every time it's referenced. That's why in post-Crisis, we get stuff like "hey, neat, this particular soda brand is getting mentioned in several different books!!" or "in order to understand this story arc, buy SIXTEEN DIFFERENT COMICS in FIVE DIFFERENT RUNS and read them ALL ACCORDING TO A NUMBERED ORDER and also you better be following the individual plotlines and recognize these five minor characters who we don't bother to introduce!! Good luck!!" But the elaborate post-Crisis plotlines - and subtler worldbuilding like a stuffed animal callback to Dick's backstory - don't make a lot of story sense UNLESS you're imagining your readers as completionist adult fans.
So IMO a stuffed animal wouldn't be a pre-Crisis thing unless it was The Episodic Story Of the Week, and I don't think a stuffed animal is action-adventure-y enough for the fast-paced storytelling of the Silver Age. (Unless it, like, came to life and tried to eat you or something.)
Post-Crisis: stuffed animals, yes or no?
tl;dr: no, Dick's a manly tough guy, he's not gonna have a stuffed animal, that'd be lame, like something Tim might do
Part of the edgy grimdark adult vibes in 80s/90s comics is that some characters who used to be kinda silly & goofy & lighthearted - like Batman and Robin - get reimagined as Serious and Angsty and Edgy in a Tough Cool Manly Brooding Way. This massively affects characterization for Bruce, Dick, and Bruce and Dick's relationship.
(I obviously love this change & love the tense Bruce-and-Dick interactions, but plenty of fans of the earlier fluffy comics really disliked the edgy retcons of Miller / Wolfman / Starlin / et al.)
The upshot is that post-Crisis is a period when you could have a recurring reference like a stuffed elephant, but you wouldn't have a stuffed elephant, not for Dick. I think a toy like that would be too cutesy / childish / effeminate to give a male character in post-Crisis, unless you were poking fun at him.
Now, you could probably let Tim have a stuffed animal, because Tim is sometimes cool but also sometimes a tryhard loser who is faking being cool and not entirely pulling it off (see e.g. the Robin comic where he practices tough-guy faces in the mirror, or the Teen Titans comic where Conner discovers his cringy Enya CD, or when he's fanboying over Connor and it's awkward, etc etc.). A stuffed animal would be deeply embarrassing, and you'd have to be careful to compensate by having Tim do something cool afterward - but Tim's character concept allows for "he's kind of a loser sometimes."
But Dick isn't!! In post-Crisis, Dick's a tough / impressive / "cool guy" character, the kind of guy anyone would want to be, even in the flashbacks where he's Robin, and even in the stories where he's more lighthearted than angsty. It'd be kinda lame for Dick to have a stuffed elephant, so he wouldn't. I feel like Dick would be more likely to poke fun at it if someone had one, like when he's making fun of Wally for liking the Hardy Boys. Dick could have a Batman action figure, at most, and if he had one he would have it ironically.
Basically: in post-Crisis, a male character hugging a stuffed elephant feels more likely to be a punchline to me, not something poignant. (Even with Tim, Tim could have an embarrassing stuffed animal, but he couldn't hug it when sad - that's too far. Maybe Booster Gold might do this. Probably he wouldn't, but spiritually, he would. Sorry Booster ilu! <3)
Instead, Dick instinctively deals with his inner turmoil like the TORTURED ACTION HERO he is: by punching things and brooding and yelling and joining the mob and sleeping on rooftops and going on obsessive secret missions and acquiring Angsty Stubble!! Just like Batman!
(Technically I don't know if Bruce ever joined the mob but you know he would.)
Anyway as you know this is my favorite continuity and I am poking fun affectionately, but uh, yeah sdfsfdsfs. No stuffed animals.
Post-2011 / Infinite Frontier / Wayne Family Adventures: stuffed animals, yes or no?
tl;dr it's in WFA! Probably not anywhere else, but it could be.
Post-2011 stuff tends to be cutesier overall, most of all in the current Infinite Frontier era. So I don't feel like this would be tonally out-of-line with IF comics. Taylor tends to go for more meme-y references rather than fanfic references, though.
So the obvious best fit is WFA, which is aiming for a rough approximation of Silver Age family-friendly vibes - wholesome, episodic plots, Teaching Good Moral Lessons For The Youth, etc. - plus lots of Easter eggs for fanfic readers and some comic references.
And look, here we are:
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Aww.
Whew - that's everything I could find!
Anyway as you can probably tell, I LOVE the elephant, so this was a very entertaining rabbit hole to go down, thank you <3
#dick grayson#anyone with more info feel free to chime in & we can crowdsource <3#i do think the toy elephant is awfully cute though <3#total digression but i was thinking about it as i was writing:#i'm fascinated by the ways that the post-crisis batboys & their stories can intersect with 90s masculinity and all its issues with stoicism#and i'm pro-queering and gender-bending - 90s comics were a total boys' club so i think it's neat that transformative fandom isn't#but i do love 90s masculinity and All Its Issues too & one of the things i find compelling about the dick-tim-bruce trio#& especially dick's place in it - is the unspoken hierarchy whereby bruce is manlier than dick & dick is manlier than tim#and so dick's in the middle as this somewhat softer-character who aspires to be a harsher & more stoic & ultimate manly-man character#caught in the middle between robin & batman & what each role represents#and like. batman is both manhood & the only desirable thing to be AND ALSO it represents this immense narrowing of possibility#because so much of stereotypical masculinity is about reducing the range of emotions you're allowed to have or express#and dick is both incredibly conflicted about bruce AND wants to be just like him & by extension is conflicted about masculinity writ large#so a lot of dick's interactions with tim veer between trying on a frat-boy-ish 'I'm The Manly Guy' persona vs. giving up on it#or trying on imitations of Bruce's Batman persona but also trying to backtrack out of it bc he doesn't like how it feels etc etc#ANYWAY i think what i am trying to say is that if tim had a stuffed animal dick would be entertained & poke mild fun at him#and call him 'teddy' for the next hour or something while tim got increasingly defensive about how the teddy bear was steph's#and/or about how the teddy bear was OLD and tim doesn't even care about it and also WHATEVEr i'm above this#and to an uninformed observer this might look like bullying BUT ACTUALLY#this ritual would IN FACT be very reassuring to both of them + tim would feel WAY better afterward than if dick had ignored it#because by poking fun at him dick shows he still respects tim enough to tease him thus subtextually exorcising the threat of wimpiness#plus allowing tim to defend himself & demonstrate that he can take a joke so they've both reaffirmed their masculinity to each other#& they don't have to be scared of the teddy bear and all it represents anymore#however also afterward dick would have a brief nostalgic flashback to when he was a kid & had a teddy bear & feel weird about the memory#because he would be unable to articulate to himself that what he misses is a past when he allowed himself to be vulnerable#anyway this wouldn't actually happen in comics but it's what would happen in my soul. you know.#ask tag#zitka
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little-pup-pip · 1 year ago
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I've never made a request before I'm nervous >.< could you pretty please do a squid moodboard with masc tones??
Sure!!
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schmeap · 7 days ago
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never let me play games i WILL waste my own time
btw my final score was
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and I discovered some pretty interesting fun facts about score, such as "you're really not supposed to have more than 9999 but it's a true value and 90% of interactions just add to (or subtract from) a true number so there's nothing actually stopping you from going higher"
im super rich now. thanks for the converter, IDIOT
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micmacrobin · 28 days ago
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there are other tinies in my enclosure, and we all love each other and being together
i'm petting her hair, i'm sucking his boobs, they give me kisses, we all hug each other
and also there's a giant there who loves us and takes good care of us and finds it very cute how all of their little tinies love each other <3
#robin's tiny thoughts#i've been trying to find comfort in the idea of being kept by a giant but strangely it hasn't been working#like “someone is keeping me as a tiny/pet/toy/whatever and i don't have to worry about anything else anymore” can be good both as—#—a sex thing and as a comfort thing#but i've figured out why it wasn't doing anything for me rn. it's because all my problems are other people's problems#and i'm trying to help as much as possible and i'm stressed because everyone around me is doing bad#i don't want to stop having to deal with it. i want to be able to deal with it better and help more. i don't want to escape it#SO the idea of being owned/taken/etc by a giant doesn't change anything. it doesn't help with my current stress.#HOWEVER. the idea of multiple tinies being owned together??#suddenly THAT hits the spot#it's good in so many ways. i get to be tiny and with a giant. but also other people are alongside me. we're together. i can take careof the#but our world stops at the giant's place and whatever they allow for us. we don't have to worry about anything else.#AND ALSO it's still a sex thing. the giant has more tinies to do whatever they want so it's better for them. they can also watch—#their tinies interact. we can cuddle under the giant's dick or make out in their bra or whatever#ALSO ALSO it feels like i'm partaking in this fantasy with everyone here. like anyone on macro/micro tumblr can join in if they want <3#you can be a tiny with me or you can be a giant with all these tinies#we can all have fun together <3
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kakusu-shipping · 16 days ago
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With the release of Deltarune for Purchase, I decided to update my Deltarune Red soul S/I just a touch, and do some more doodles of it for funsies while I was there
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embroideredequations · 3 months ago
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Still trying to figure exactly how I want to draw Porter, but I'm already at the point where I can play dolls with their refs and that's all that matters
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chimchiri · 3 months ago
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canongirlf · 1 year ago
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yes, i love villain f/o(s) being soft and sweet but what about villain f/o(s) who just barely puts up with you?
A villain f/o where you're just barely special enough that they choose to deal with you. They may insult you, play mind games, and hurt you like everyone else but they still keep you around bc for some reason they crave your presence even if they don't quite know why.
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ariemfox · 6 months ago
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why does park's & adams' gift prank war in s8e3 feel like some sort of insane mating ritual
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r3dblccd · 3 months ago
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Chat, how many benefits of the doubt do I give someone that keeps kind of ghosting me
#misc; ooc#//this isn't about anyone of my mutuals I love you all very much#//you all know that I'm a snail so you can all take all the time in the world to reply to messages and stuff bc I know you will eventually#//just like it may take me forever to reply but I will reply at some point. we all have lives outside tumblr#//but there's someone that in the past followed my blog and I followed them back#//and I tried to interact with them obv because I assumed they want to write with me bc they followed me first#//it was some time ago on my past blog so I don't remember if it was me that replied to one of their opens or the other way around#//but I do remember they messegaed me asking hey what's up let's plot and I was like sure I'd love that#//and not even a day after they straight up blocked me#//then some time after I see this same person with that same blog following me again#//I thought hmm maybe the block was a mistake and they didn't mean to do it so I followed them again#//and tried to interact again#//and within less than a day they blocked me again#//cue some some time after I see that same blog following me AGAIN#//at some point I blocked the blog bc I was tired of trying to guess what's up and what's the problem#//and now that person followed this blog with a new blog#//and I just KNOW it's them their rules are the same how they run their blog is the same it's very obvious it's them#//and idk what to do#//do I just block them is it worth it trying to interact with them#//i remember them doing this thing way over 3 times before I blocked their blog in the end#//idk if there's something I am doing wrong but I could only guess the same thing is going to happen over and over again if I don't block#//one time they messaged me hi and I didn't even get to message them back bc by the time I got to their message they already blocked me#//like what does that even mean???
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king-spite · 7 months ago
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so it seems the poppy war has become my absolute favorite series so ofc i'm losing my mind comparing every scene with my other favorite series (red queen) and making an unfathomable amount of headcanons
#first off i think rin and mare would get along. maybe not at first but after a while they would#i think venka and evangeline would become the best of friends like the second they lay eyes on each other#AND evangeline would probably help venka realize that she's an absolute lesbian#i also think rin would get along with farley And with cameron especially#i think the cike (and kitay) would IMMEDIATELY adopt shade and kilorn and they'd have the silliest of dynamics. while being a menace#i think the cike wouldn't like cal at first but then they'd be chill about him#AND nezha and cal would also get along. btw. if you even care.#just thinking about rinezha and marecal interactions makes me dryheave i'm literally climbing the walls of my room right now#also qara and iris would get along AND hot take but i think she'd also get along with chaghan cause she'd be the only person he respects#imo#i also think jiang and mare would get along. tho he'd probably get on her nerves more often than not#i don't think altan and maven would get along with anyone lmao they're such freaks🙌#i like to imagine that altan would have INSANE one-sided beef with cal AND mare that'd be histeric#like they really dgaf about him it'd be so one-sided it'd be embarrassing for altan#maybe. MAYBE. cameron could manage him (cause they're both commited to being Haters yknow). but only for like 5 secs at most .#i also like to imagine chaghan and maven would have the biggest beef known to mankind i think they'd find each other insufferable❤️❤️#and evangeline and chaghan???? ohh chaghan's gonna find out how MEAN a mean lesbian can be alright. mlm/wlw hostility🤞🤞✨️#and what if rin and cal get somewhat along bc she understands the responsability the older sibling has over the younger one.#what if she completely understands his guilt WAAAAIT#ohh the more i think about them the more insane i get#this is just a snippet of the headcanons i have in mind rn#maybe i should make a more ''organized'' post about it#and not hide it in the tags😔#also the joy and whimsy one gets from making your faves hate each other's guts... it's so entertaining... peace and love on planet earth❤️#the poppy war#red queen series#red queen#also don't mind any grammatical mistakes i didn't check anything before typing this. and i don't have respect for the english language <3
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sonknuxadow · 7 months ago
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i hate that the sonic movies get more advertising and attention from the general public than other sonic media does for a number of reasons but one thing that is particularly annoying to me right now is that because of this when a new sonic game or comic or cartoon or literally anything else that im actually excited for happens nobody seems to notice or care that it exists but now that the big new sonic thing (sonic 3) is something that im not really looking forward to at all im constantly being asked and told about it.. like come onnnnn
#talking about irl interactions not online. in case thats not already obvious#like. i know nobody has actual bad intentions . most of these people do not know enough about the games#to know that the movie is looking like its going to completely butcher the plot of sa2 and that im mad about it#and i dont think anyone irl really knows all the details of my increasingly strained relationship with the scu either#they just know that i love sonic . or even that i liked the first 2 movies depending on who they are . and a new sonic movie is coming out#and im not upset they try to talk to me about sonic i LOVE talking about sonic#but its so frustrating that people seem to only care when the scu is involved. even if they dont actually watch the movies anyway???#and it doesnt end at people only bringing up sonic when its the scu#ive also had many conversations where i mention a game or comic or something and the person im talking to makes it about the movies#like (*mentions i like sonic* ''have you seen the movies''. or *mentions a new sonic thing* ''is it related to the movies'' etc)#like come onnnn we were talking about the games can we talk about the games in a way that doesnt involve the movies for Once#again i know nobody has bad intentions so i feel kinda bad for being annoyed#and its not entirely their fault since a video game or comic is inherently going to be less known than a big movie . but goddddd#this happened a bit with the knuckles series too but not to the same extent that its happening wiht sonic 3
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