#compared to vox

[ohbother2]

Vox wishes he had what Alastor and Lucifer have

[cringefailvox]

canon vox would destroy pilot vox btw. pilot has a more sinister design but he was a kind of a softie who took silly photos with the vees and had a shark dog and let val smack him around like a battered housewife. canon vox manipulates val into compliance within like three sentences, mind controls the masses into obedience, and is a power hungry overlord who regularly exploits and violates people's privacy for his own gain. yes he is silly in the company of the vees and deeply cringe about alastor but he would still think pilot/pre-canon vox is a spineless loser

[jimbodyson]

ngl im so fed up. i literally just want to sit and enjoy and talk about the show and all i see on all of my pages are mfs complaining about the most trivial things. they're focusing on some romance this season? that sucks. they did Glintshore differently? that sucks. Scanlan didn't have a mental breakdown for no reason? that sucks. just enjoy something for once you joyless fucks. and most of all let other people enjoy it too. i wish i could see people fucking talk about this season without it just constantly being a barrage of how people hate every fucking change and decision they made. and it's especially frustrating when 90% of the hate comes from people going 'oh, if they do this, this will suck'. stuff that isn't even written yet. or just people who think they know the characters better than the people who created and played them for several years. or people who say they don't hate it and yet every fucking post is them chatting shit on it.

im so tired of things i enjoy being hated that it just feels like a huge slap in the face. or that im just wrong for liking it. just fed up with seeing people being negative all the time. sorry, i really loved TLOVM season 3. no, i don't fucking care that you think the og game is better.

edit: made a separate post but i was very overwhelmed and therefore irritable and angry when i wrote this. while it's still frustrating to constantly see negativity surrounding it as i love it (especially so because i muted all the relevant tags), i was unnecessarily aggressive. sorry. although i would like to add, it's harder to belive some people when they say they didn't go into it wanting to hate it or that they like some bits-- when the only parts they talk about are the parts that they didn't like.

[mayashesfly]

Suddenly thinking about an AU where Vox erased his memories about Alastor and how that might affect the show's timeline.

Though to be honest I just want to think about how Alastor is going to react and feel about waiting for Vox to eventually find out about his return...

Only to find out in the Overlord meeting that Vox completely forgot about him as he smiled at him and offered his hand with a practiced professional air.

"Nice to meet you. I'm Vox from Voxtek, the Leader of the Vees. Are you new around here?"

In this AU, Episode 2 changes drastically. There was never a "Stayed Gone" segment nor was Sir Pentious sent to the Hazbin Hotel to spy on them. Which means that a lot would've changed in this timeline since the First Redeemed would be mostly out of the picture.

And Vox not giving Alastor the time of day means that if Alastor launched his radio show again, he has to slowly win back his viewership instead of having free advertising in the shape of a tv-headed obsessed fool.

Honestly, with how Vox's obsession on Alastor gives him a reliable source of attention and entertainment, he would be rather upset that the TV Overlord wouldn't give him the time of day. Not only that but he completely forgot about him! New? What do you mean new? He has been an Overlord far longer than he had! He is The Radio Demon. And he dares to ask him if HE is new?

What the hell happened to Vox? Why doesn't he remember him? Is this the reason why Vox never gave him the attention he knew he would give him once he realized he returned? What was he supposed to do now?

His feelings are hurt. His ego was bruised.

Vox was never like this.

And he'll be damned if Vox stays that way.

[vroomvroomwee]

I like when Valentino is depicted as this strong fighter who can take on other overlords easily and has cool powers, but I so hope the show doesn't give him much of that. Yes he's strong and tall and mean, but other than that he doesn't have intimidating powers the way Vox or Alastor do. He's got his guns and some smoke and a pair of pretty wings. And I prefer the show to keep him weaker than the other overlords if only to elevate his intelligence. Because for someone to rise to the same status as overlords who've reigned supreme for centuries and who could effortlessly topple buildings or teleport or summon portals or grow twenty times their size has to be INSANELY resourceful, socially and emotionally intelligent, cunning, cutthroat and manipulative. I want Valentino to suck in hand-to-hand combat with other overlords because it only heightens how smart he is by preemptively wrapping everyone around his finger to get what he wants so he doesn't even NEED to fight. I want Valentino to be dangerous in a silent way, where his power remains unsuspecting to the general eye, but the people who know him understand why he should be feared. And someone who can accomplish all of that with a few guns and sugar-coated words is far FAR more terrifying than someone who gets the job done by resorting to enormous tentacles or flashy electricity.

[hiemaldesirae]

train ride

[prince-liest]

The latest 666 is getting a little chapter update/epilogue this weekend, I think. +^+

[celtrist]

I really want to see a more fucked up version of Charlie in canon. Like, okay, I am a die-hard for sweet bubbly girls in media. But I always see how some people make Charlie actually, oh I dunno... demonic? And it's so refreshing for her type of character. I could honestly see her having low empathy (and we kinda see this with how she handled Angel's situation or even Vaggie's nervousness about taking control on an activity). An exploration of that trait (if it was intended) would be interesting to see for a protagonist, especially when her main goal is about helping others. I would love to see her actually have a level of difficulty in understanding others' feelings from the other residents, sinners, and even her father.

But give her a fucked up side. Not a "she gets more power when she's angey uwu", but a "oh, she's a little fucked in the head". It would give so much to her character that she just doesn't have.

@/murmurmurena (don't wanna bother them so slash there we go) has some fun ideas with Charlie. I highly encourage people to check their stuff out! So many fun dark ideas with her character while also still keeping to her canon personality pretty well! Personally, I think Charlie being a bit more naive to her own messed up traits would work best but her also being aware of these traits can make for some interesting character for her.

THIS FIC, "A Game Between You and I". RIGHT HERE WITH THE FIRST CHAPTER. A bit of spoil for the fic here: but I love how they handled Charlie’s absolute ignorance as to why the idea of Russian roulette is horrifying to Angel Dust. It doesn't feel like her being intentionally malicious or aware that she's the odd man out here. This is also a pretty old fic going by only the pilot, but the point still stands that it was such a fun take for her character!

Charlie is one of my favorite characters in the show in part of the POTENTIAL she could have as being the most bubbly sweetheart character while also being the most messed up character in the show. I can't say I have strong confidence with the show's writing and fully expect them to stick with Charlie being the "nice girl but oh no, don't get her angry or she gets scarwy". Which isn't bad for a character mind you, there's just so much more potential to Charlie outside of that trope, especially when you get into the theories of her either being a doll, Roo's biological daughter, or what have you. And for the MAIN CHARACTER of the show, it would be not only interesting but also bring the spotlight back to her.

There's really no question that the side characters steal the show, particularly all the male characters. If I'm honest, Charlie does not feel like she gets a lot of love from the show itself when she's supposed to be the main character. She feels far more flat compared to the rest of the characters (again, the male cast in this "female-lead" show has more depth than most of the female cast currently. I wouldn't be pointing this tidbit concerning the genders of characters if it weren't for the fact Viv defended Helluva's lack of development with their female cast by saying "Hazbin is a female-lead show and Helluva is a male-lead" and Hazbin ended up with it not feeling female lead (to me) and the male cast just completely stealing the show. I don't normally care about gender stuff, especially since I do personally lean interest towards male characters. But using one show as a defense for poor development of the female characters, and then that show not really holding up with no very interesting well-developed feeling female characters irritates me. It's just very clear that these shows don't seem to care much about the female cast :/)

If you like how Charlie is written that's totally fine. PERSONALLY, I just think they're missing so much opportunity with her character by just making her the standard female character type. I honestly don't have a lot of faith they'll actually do something with Charlie's character though. She's a pretty static character in S1 being the same from start to end. Not changing or learning anything to create any development. What does the end of season Charlie do that start of season Charlie wouldn't do? Fight back? Because we see with the pilot (which is the “first episode”) that Charlie does fight people if pushed like with Katie Killjoy and even Valentino. Static characters can work in media depending on the show or their role. But Charlie is the MC of a show about “bettering one's self”. So to have her as a static with not a lot of strong dilemmas for herself (like we see with Angel Husk Al and even Vox) seems silly. Plus, considering Hazbin is telling a whole story and it's not a fun episodic thing, characters are expected to grow on some level. Or else, what was the point of their hero's journey?

[st4rstudent]

Some toons OCs

[maacbrem]

I’m still laughing about the new VM character art (which I love and have wholesome pure thoughts about) cause like. Percy, darling, you’re in your fifties. You are not actually a gilf yet. Good for you cultivating the aesthetic but you’re in your FIFTIES. Also same thing with the level 20 M9 art BEAU YOU ARE IN YOUR THIRTIES. CALEB IS LIKE FORTY. It’s so funny I’m dying these bitches can’t wait to be retirement age

[beevean]

I jokingly compared Tenna to Vox in terms of similar designs in this post, but now I'm thinking about it more seriously

It's interesting to me how the two characters incarnate two very different sides of TV, on the opposite sides of positive/negative and obsolete/relevant.

Vox is modern television. His head is shaped like a flatscreen TV, and we know that in the past, he too looked like a CRT, implying he updated himself as technology progressed.

The Vees in general represent facets of media influencing the masses: between porn, the oldest industry, and phones/internet, the most futuristic whose effects we're only recently starting to see, television represents the "present". In particular, Vox' themes revolves around brainwashing and surveillance. He's supposed to be the news - biased news whose purpose is not to inform, but to keep everyone quiet and compliant ("Trust us"). Case in point, he tries to present himself as cool and levelheaded and much more rational than his companions, only to lose his entire shit when Alastor is in the picture (and there's a lot one can say about modern TV having beef with the even more obsolete concept of radio). He's all the negative stereotypes of TV rolled into one... and sadly the most relevant aspect of it, because people still watch the news, still trust it, and we very much live under surveillance.

Tenna is old television. Tenna's realm is game shows, frivolous entertainment, and "fun for the whole family" - family here being the key word. Tenna is the TV fewer and fewer people care about anymore. He's the kind of TV we used to watch as kids, perhaps with our parents, but have now moved on from, because who needs game shows anymore when we can stay on Youtube? He represents simpler times, with simpler fun, on top of the whole divorce trauma mess he incarnates - the trauma of being unwanted, abandoned by those you used to rely on. Like a game show host without audience. Tenna is a much more positive portrayal of TV, as the one anchor of safety and escapism a child with a troubled home might have, especially back before cellphones were a thing: a source of entertainment, company, and most importantly safety. To cap it all off, if Tenna is undamaged in chapter 4, you can give him to the "nobody" implied to be Mettaton, giving each other the company they both crave and proving there is still a place for old things.

Vox controls his audience, Tenna wants to make it happy. Vox is a danger, Tenna is a comfort. Together they're perhaps the best way to convey how technology is neither good or evil, it depends on how it's used. I just find interesting how TV can be used as a symbol for both.

[vaxmore]

With J'mon and Shaun in the same room in the show it's making me feel nostalgic for the classic, if rare, J'mon/Gilmore <3

[cupidsncheerios]

i think that like, in contrast to how voxval treat their fanon ipad baby, if radiostatic had a kid they'd be maliciously attentive parents

like they're so far into the old married couple phase that they would argue about how to care for the child instead of caring for the child, while in front of the child

[meadowsofmay]

it's such a wild contrast going into the mighty nein after vox machina — first of all the atmosphere and the feel is completely different, clear indication that you've entered a different story, of different people, on a completely different continent. and i can't say i do not enjoy it.

but what's getting me the most is a contrast between vax — jumping recklessly in front of everybody, less of his own person but an addition to someone's life, a secondary priority, — and caleb — bruised, beaten, a mess of pain and terror plaguing his mind, keeping to the outskirts of the battle like a coward. there's guilt and grief following both of them but so differently. liam o'brien... wow.

[azure-trash]

Guys??? Joe Red Vox part two is/ was a producer and writer for IMPRACTICAL JOKERS??????

Red Vox Joe screenshots to compare btw, since I know those are sparse

He has the same white eyebrow streak as Joe from Impractical Jokers. Here’s even a clip. The Red Vox Cinematic universe expands in the weirdest way possible????

[nillisaie]

I thought maybe there could be a bit of a hint as to what happened between Alastor and Vox in the old picture of him, maybe something in his facial expression to give a small tell at least, but his face seems mostly neutral here though a bit calculating. The most noticeable thing about his expression I think are his eyebrows, how one is slightly quirked up higher than the other. Not exactly sure what this could mean yet

But anyway! I noticed something else besides how handsome my husband is and how I want to brush his hair and fix that slightly out of place strand and that is what is Vox wearing exactly?

I don't have a better picture of this, but does his old outfit with the turtleneck include a pinstripe coat? Because he seems to be wearing a pinstripe coat in this picture with Alastor. Is he wearing a different outfit here? It could be possible he's wearing his current outfit in the picture with Alastor or a different one entirely. Also he seems to have a somewhat similar facial expression in both pictures maybe..? It's hard to tell for obvious reasons, but in the torn photo, you can kind of see what I assume to be his eye since it seems too high up to be his mouth. No eyebrows though

Dunno. I tried. I also saw this