#fan hypocrisy

[thereallovebug]

I’m continually amused by the GO fans who think fans who ship Michael & David are some kind of shameful secret they’re afraid the guys might hear about. Guess what: their PR people (and Georgia) troll the interwebs looking for any mention of them, so not only are they fully aware of the shippers and what they post, they also know about thirst tweets, smutty comments, stalkers, and rude remarks about their bodies.

Don’t like RP shipping? Fine. No one is asking you to read the posts or the fic or whatever.

But what gives anyone the right to wag their finger in the faces of other fans and tell them who they can ship, what they can think, and what they can post? “BuT wHAt aBoUt tHeiR wiVeS anD cHiLdRuN?” is the usual objection. Trust me, if the PR people know about the shipping, so do Michael and David (and by extension, their significant others). If you think it bothers the guys that fans ship them or are worried their kids might someday see it don’t you think they’d tone it down instead sailing that ship every chance they get? (BTW the guys also know about the thirst tweets, smutty comments, stalkers, & rude remarks about their bodies, but I don’t see fans worrying about the kids seeing those.)

So the next time you feel the urge to trash RP shippers, ask yourself: why do you care when the guys clearly don’t? Do you also trash the fans who post problematic or smutty content or do you reserve your ire just for RP shippers? And don’t come at me with “it’s doing harm” because unless you’re consistently going after the stalkers and fans posting shit the kids shouldn’t see, you’re a hypocrite and your objections have more than a whiff of homophobia about them.

[jadecantcreate]

coalecroux incorrect quote doodles (its ironic guys)

i slightly modified & used this (^) quote from perchance’s incorrect quote generator

[piritos03]

2024 vs 2022

[moxyphinx]

"Don’t you see what’s happening in this country—across Europe—Everywhere. Money is the only thing that can protect you." LEMPICKA, the musical

[apdreadful]

Waking up to the same tired ass complaining about last nights episode..

Like Tommy didn’t ask Buck how HE was doing in a very concerned way.

Like Buck didn’t say that Bobby was more of a father figure than his own father.. And Tommy acknowledge it saying Buck was at least lucky to have Bobby as his Captain, because his Captain for the majority of his time with the 118, was that racist, homophobic, mysogynistic bag of excrement Gerrard, who was a lot like the father he grew up with. Where’s your acknowledgement and compassion for that traumatic childhood? Where’s Bucks?

And to clarify I am NOT clocking Buck for his actions or reactions. I’m pointing out that if YOU ALL are going to clutch your pearls and get all knotted up and shirty about Tommy’s so called “lack of understanding and compassion” it’s pretty fucking hypocritical that you clearly don’t feel Buck is lacking in both or either to Tommy here.

Also, it was Buck who steered the conversation to Daddy Issues by saying that maybe they BOTH have Daddy Issues with that goddamn dirty flirty smirk on his face.

This is a man flirting with his boyfriend…

And this is his boyfriend flirting right back..

These are two men in a relationship, a COUPLE, communicating, commiserating, and discussing their less than awesome fathers with honesty and HUMOR.

And it is sexy af they’re this comfortable with each other..

But…nice try to twist the narrative..

[utilitycaster]

You know what's interesting to me? For all people keep claiming at every juncture that perhaps Bells Hells will come around on the gods and see the harm they do (which, as discussed extensively, is, half the time, simply not intervening) not only have they never done so, but also they never quite cross the line into saying the party should join the Ruby Vanguard or aid them - and indeed, they defend against it - so what does this achieve? It feels like they're asking for a story in which the party stands idly by, which isn't much of a story nor, if I may connect this briefly to the real world, a political stance anyone should be proud of.

That's honestly the frustration with the gods and the "what if the Vanguard has a point" conversations in-game. What do we do then? Do we allow the organization that will murder anyone for pretty much any reason that loosely ties into their goals run rampant? The group that (perhaps unwittingly, but then again, Otohan's blades had that poison) disrupted magic world-wide, and caused people who had the misfortune to live at nexus points to be teleported (most, as commoners, without means of return). While also fomenting worldwide unrest?

Those were the arguments before the trip to Ruidus; with the reveal of the Vanguard's goals to invade Exandria, the situation becomes even more dire. Do you let the Imperium take over the planet?

And do the arguments against the gods even hold up? If Ludinus is so angry at them for the Calamity, what does it say that he destroyed Western Wildemount's first post-Calamity society for entirely selfish means? (What does it say about the validity of vengeance as a motivator?) What does it say that Laudna told Imogen she could always just live in a cottage quietly without issue before the solstice even happened? (Would this still be true if the Imperium controls the world?) What does it say that when faced with a furious, grieving party and the daughter she keeps telling herself was her reason for all of this, Liliana can't provide an answer to the question of what the gods have done other than that their followers will retaliate...for, you know, the Vanguard's endless list of murders. (That is how the Vanguard and Imperium tend to think, huh? "How dare your face get in the way of my boot; how dare you hit me back when I strike you.") She can't even provide a positive answer - why is Predathos better - other than "I feel it", even though Imogen and Fearne know firsthand that Predathos can provide artificial feelings of elation. Given all the harm Ludinus has done in pursuit, why isn't the conclusion "the gods should have crashed Aeor in such a way that the tech was unrecoverable?"

Even as early as the first real discussion on what the party should do, the fandom always stopped short of saying "no, Imogen's right, they should join up with the people who killed half the party," it was always "no, she didn't really mean it, she just was trying to connect with her mother." Well, she's connected with her mother, and at this point the party doesn't even care about the gods particularly (their only divinely-connected party member having died to prevent the Vanguard from killing all of them). So they will stop the Vanguard; as Ashton says, the means are unforgiveable. As Laudna says, it's not safe to bet on Predathos's apathy. As Imogen says, she's done running; the voice that she used to think of as a lifeline belongs to someone she doesn't trust. So I guess my question is: if they're stopping the people who are trying to kill the gods (and defense of the gods isn't remotely their personal motivation)...do you think the next phase of the campaign is Bells Hells personally killing the gods? Reconstructing the Aeor tech and hoping none of their allies notice? How does this end? Does your ideology ever get enacted? Or is this entirely moot and pointless and the story ends with Bells Hells saying "well, I'm really glad we stopped the people who [insert list of Vanguard atrocities from above]; none of us follow the gods or plan to, but honestly, the status quo we return to is preferable to whatever nightmare Ludinus had concocted in his violent quest for power and revenge"?

[loosescrewslefty]

The utter hypocrisy of people who kept insisting that Huntlow can't happen "BECAUSE HUNTER IS TRAUMATIZED AND SPENT HIS ENTIRE LIFE ISOLATED FROM OTHER KIDS HIS AGE" immediately and happily latching onto Vee/Masha after one blush...

[trexalicious]

A legend in her own mind...🤣

[psyaurorak]

Hades defenders pls understand that just because your man got abused doesn’t mean he isn’t abusive himself.

He ripped out someone’s eyes, constantly shouts at those with a lower status at him for Persephone. It’s supposed to be attractive, but that is abusive behaviour.

He is a slave owner.

Minthe faces racism from his family. Yes she was abusive. But does that mean he can dismiss her feelings constantly? No, it doesn’t.

Demeter is constantly verbally assaulted by him. And this guy will turn around and say ‘why do you not like me 😭🥺’

Hades is abusive. There’s multiple types of abuse. Stop acting like physical abuse is the only type of abuse ever because it is insulting that you’re implying it.

Hades can be manipulative, verbally abusive, physically abusive (ripping out someone’s eyes and then being mean to them after again and again is abuse) and manipulative and y’all stans will be like… ‘oh no, anyway’ BUT get mad when he gets criticism for being a piece of shit

Also

If anyone can think of another instance where this guy was abusive please add on

[crazycatsiren]

There is no "fuck J. K. Rowling" or "fuck TERFs" while you still actively obsess over Harry Potter.

[smolstarthief]

Wellll now! Toxic ShuAke/AkeShu fans be getting mad at P5X lately! My Joker arc/Spite mode activate! (/hj)

[eggcats]

not to "uwu" Alastor in any way, but it's WILD to me how many people act like him asserting dominance to Husk as a "omg he's the worst! Husk is so innocent!!! Alastor is just as bad as Valentino!!" esp when in comparison to the V's (and to Angel and Valentino)

bc like, Husk WAS ALSO AN OVERLORD. HE ALSO BOUGHT AND SOLD SOULS. HE GAMBLED THEM, WHICH IS ALMOST WORSE, BECAUSE IF I SOLD MY SOUL TO ONE PERSON I DONT WANT THEM TO JUST SELL IT TO THE NEXT HIGHEST BIDDER!

like the 2 aren't really comparable - it's heavily implied/speculated that Val in some way tricked Angel in his contract, meanwhile Husk gambled and lost and sold his soul to Alastor to keep his powers as an overlord, just without the title or souls

I'm not saying it's not a bit fucked up with Alastor's threat to Husk and Husk's fear, I get that 1000%. But sometimes I feel like Husk fans who hate Alastor forget that Husk landed HIMSELF in that position and Alastor just took advantage of it - he could have just lost everything INCLUDING his power instead

Like he says it himself, "I sold my soul to keep my power" bro knew what he was getting into - he ALSO owned people's souls the SAME as Alastor

I'm not saying Alastor is innocent, or he's secretly a good guy, or that you even need to like him - but the hypocrisy gets me here bc we don't KNOW how Husk was as an overlord, but him being an overlord doesn't make him an innocent victim in this!

[seaweedstarshine]

Late to the game as I’ve kinda been kinda non-here for a minute but I scrolled through the Dot and Bubble tag, and thought I wanted to write this post into existence.

There's this part in Doctor Who Unleashed where RTD says this:

“What we can’t tell is how many people will have worked that out before the ending. Because they’ve seen white person after white person after white person, and television these days is very diverse. I wonder, will you be ten minutes into it, will you be fifteen, will you be twenty, before you start to think, everyone in this community is white. And if you don’t think that — why didn’t you? So, that’s gonna be interesting. I hope it’s one of those pieces of television you see, and always remember.”

And I'm like. Yeah. But the reason this works even as well as it does is largely thanks to the work of the previous showrunner with the previous creative team, which was notably the first era to have any writers of color (amongst other firsts in terms of inclusivity in directors, composer, actors). While Chibnall fumbled whenever he tried to write about race himself, he did have the self-awareness to have Black and South Asian writers writing the episodes where race is the focus (and a female writer for the episode where sexism is a focus; my point is, he seemed to know his shortcomings).

I wonder what the current creative team looks like? (not really, but I wasn't 100% sure for all of them)

To quote RTD:

“...before you start to think, everyone in this community is white.”

This is pretty non-self-aware, right? It's pretty “It is said, and I understand this, there was a history of racism with the original Toymaker, the Celestial Toymaker, who had ‘celestial,’ and I did not know this, but ‘celestial’ can mean of Chinese origin, but in a derogatory way,” right? (from The Giggle Unleashed) It's pretty “and I had problems with that, and a lot of us on the production team had problems with that: associating disability with evil,” right? (from Destination Skaro Unleashed)

—none of which are issues that should be overlooked, but think how much exponentially better they might’ve been addressed if he’d consulted with Chinese writers and wheelchair-using writers before going straight to giving the Toymaker weird fake accents and making Davros walk?

How many Black or non-white people do we think saw the Dot and Bubble script before it landed in Ncuti’s hands?

And this just keeps happening.

And like, from some of the shocked responses I've seen from white viewers to the ending of Dot and Bubble, maybe the episode's unsubtlety was needed? From the way RTD talks about it in Unleashed, the episode was written with a white audience in mind, Baby's First Microaggressions (where of course the microaggressions come from people who are pretty self-admittedly white supremacists). Ricky September, a more seemingly normal depiction of someone in the racist bubble of Finetime, seemed like an interesting element, up until the way he died.

The ending worked for me, because I do think the Doctor's reaction is true to how the Doctor would react. I just keep thinking of how much better the core themes could've been handled by someone with actual lived experience on the subject matter.

[rosenecklaces]

Legitimately there's like five and even more things Elain prefers to have her focus and mind into and none of them has the fox redhead involved which I guess that's why some of them can't tolerate her huh...

[naartjie-hijabi]

If you're a Taylor Swift or Selena Gomez fan...please don't interact with my blog because I'm going to assume you support and encourage white feminism and you will be blocked.

Both celebrities have the ability to encourage their fans to boycott brands listed on the BDS list, both celebrities have the ability to encourage their fans to call and email their reps, both celebrities have the ability to encourage their fans to educate themselves about Palestine and post about the war on Gaza - but they won't because they don't actually care about human life, they care about being "politically correct" and not doing anything that will cost them money.

Selena who has always stood for kindness has shown her lack of it with regards to Palestine. Taylor who has always stood for activism has shown her hypocrisy by not only polluting this world with her private jet but also by refusing to even address the on-going genocide.

Liking their music does not inherently mean you are a bad person but defending their actions and endorsing them will make me question your moral stance.

Don't say you support Palestine when you support celebrities like them. And don't clain that they are kind souls when they have done nothing to spread awareness about Palestine. They chose ignorance, they chose silence and they chose to stand with the oppressor.

[friendlycursedspaceotter]

So I've seen a couple posts on my dash that are like "after Kamala got the nomination, people are fucked, she's bad, Palestine will be destroyed, immunocompromised people will die, trans people will be completely stripped of rights, etc." Respectfully, that's kind of a weird statement to make.

Like, I admit that Kamala Harris isn't perfect. The Venn diagrams of "candidates that Tumblr leftists will support" and "candidates that will make it anywhere near the White House" are, at the moment, two circles that don't overlap. I'm not saying that there are third party people who have tried to make it into that circle. There are! It's just that, mathematically speaking, winner-takes-all races don't allow anything but the two-party system. That's pretty common knowledge.

"Kamala Harris doesn't like trans people." That is a major [citation needed]. I haven't looked into her policy much, but I honestly think that almost anything is better than Donald "This man is a bioessentialist and has explicitly said in interviews that cisgender people are the only real genders, trans and nonbinary people are delusional and also that intersex people don't exist" Trump. I mean, the bar is in the ninth circle of hell. Even if she says "human beings are allowed to exist and express themselves however they want and we shouldn't restrict that" it would be better than Trump.

As for Palestine, immunocompromised people, housing, and any other issue you can use to justify not voting for her, I don't need to emphasize how bad Trump is. We know that. If any of those issues would be your breaking point, I have some advice for you: grit your teeth, vote blue, and use the next four years lobbying national, state, and local governments for election reform, specifically ranked choice voting. I know the energy as of late is "have fun and we're going to party," but it doesn't change the fact that our choices are a party that is at least willing to reform and listen, and fascists led by an old white man with narcissistic personality disorder who has no desire to change. You're not in heaven. You're on Earth, and you have to work for what you want. If you want candidates who better represent you, work for that change. If you want to stop a genocide, work so that people can escape it and for an end to the violence. If you want queer people to live and keep living, band together and make sure that happens.

And because I'm a Whovian, I need to quote the Twelfth Doctor right here: "And what will happen after your glorious revolution?" If you decide to burn it down and kill millions, how will you make sure that this won't happen again? Because last I checked, we forgot about the Holocaust (policy-wise) pretty quickly. We have backtracked with feminism in the past thirty years. If you want a revolution, have it be a quiet one. Have it be a revolution of words and laws, not one of weapons and blood. If you want your gold stars and moral superiority to stay intact, you're not going to get it by assassinating billionaires or overthrowing the government. Those are not tactics of progress. Why? Because progress has a way of lasting. That's why we call it progress. We are moving forward.

So get on the bus, losers. We're going voting.