#goncharov posting

[sapphorrific]

since goncharov (1973) is now having a rennaisance on tumblr for some reason, i would love to share a fun fact about the inspiration for this film. even though its set in the 20th century, the inspiration for the story actually comes from a 19th century theatre play written by none other than the most famous czech playwright Jára Cimrman! Even though there is some discourse about this in the level of connection between these two works of art, there is no doubt that the struggle and emotional journey of Goncharov really reflects the one of the titular character of the play, Hloupý Honza. Therefore it's quite clear where the idea for the film comes from. I would even say that the transformation into a new medium and time setting really bring out a more subtle themes of the play to light. If you are interested, the play is actually free on youtube with english subtitles

[tropicalscream]

I made this into its own post because i cant stop thinking about it the most underrated character in the movie: Iosef Vronsky

im still am convinced that it's wasn't the Maid or Katya by the end. it doesn't line up at all. It was Iosef.

as we see in the flashback Iosef was ex-KGB, he had the training and lets not forget the motive. he was betrayed in the worst way by the man he loved, he was exiled to the wilderness and lost everything.

yeah he was avowedly a pacifist but remember he was also a hunter, he survived the Siberian wilderness for 15 years! he was willing to make compromise for survival or as he put it: "to sustain the life from those who are already dead"

He doesn't view himself as a person anymore, he sees nothing but a worthless failure

observe how when he looks in the mirror to shave and the camera instead draws ur eye to the hunting trophy starting at the audience. a metaphor for how Isoef views himself

now what does that mean? We see later in the scene in the factory that he doesn't mean that literally but that those "whose souls have naught but stagnation creeping in them" no intellectual or emotional growth. which explains his hunting of animals, the odd death of O'Neil,

but most importantly the everything in the otherwise misplaced cathedral scene. a scene that is out of left field UNLESS IT WAS IOSEF.

So his philosophy of pacifism says the dead can be killed to help the living, dead means something with no chance of spiritual growth, he views himself as a dead waste of space.

notice that even tho they're at the funeral for O'Neil, Katya looks at Iosef with mourning as if he's the one in the casket. A hint at Iosef's lack of worth for his own life

in conclusion: Iosef set things up so ppl would want to kill him, hed get his revenge by proxy againt the Lieutenant, and his death would be t,he catalyst to ensure Goncharov wouldnt have to go thru the same suffering as he di!

did bc in the end Iosef still loved Goncharov. not as a lover or brother but as him seeing himself. seeing a hypothetical verison of him to not follow the same path Iosef did.

Which makes Goncharov's decision in the final act all the more tragic

[knightowlet]

Something that really gets me about Goncharov and Katya’s relationship is that they really do love each other. They’re just not IN love.

These are two people with troubled and violent pasts, who found in each other some semblance of stability, someone to talk to and be comfortable around, who they find some kind of safety in. The two of them making jokes at the poker table, the way Katya almost immediately goes to hold Gonacharovs hand after he tells her about the initial meeting with Andrey, how Goncharov actually LISTENS when Katya is reminiscing about her father.

And that makes the growing distance between them and the eventual betrayal SO heartbreaking! Because these are two people who cared about each other!!! but through selfish or misguided actions they become distrustful and paranoid over what the other is doing!

I just UGH it really is a tragedy, how it shows that you can have heartbreak through love while not being the romantic kind

[necrowyrm]

Talking with a movie buff friend of mine about Goncharov:

[doesnotloveyou]

november is gonch month, the month when we gonch. start gonchin'

[wizardpigeon]

Wait what the fuck do we tell the redditors about goncharov

[gay-mormon-wizard]

It's honestly so clever how the Lumineers referenced Goncharov (1973) in this song

When Katya and Goncharov have that one big fight and she's challenging him on his hesitance to stakeout Ice Pick Joe's hideout, and she yells, "So when he comes after me, will you just dig my grave, or will you rail against my dying day?!" Knowing the context honestly adds so much more depth to this lyric.

[universkeleton]

I find it so interesting the parallel of what's going on on Tumblr versus on (my side of) Tiktok rn. On here we have the Goncharov resurgence, everyone contributing to the bit with fanart and in-depth analysis and all sorts of content. Then on Tiktok there's the 'dabloon economy' and more and more people are making elaborate posts role-playing things like 'president of the dabloon economy' and cat characters running a dnd style inn with wares and everything.

In both, we have people contributing to a bit and actively role-playing to keep it going. At the same time. And I don't think either is aware of the other. The internet just collectively decided now is the time for shenanigans and I love to see it.

[swimmingleo]

most of us missed it back then but did you guys catch the clever goncharov reference scorsese does when he is briefly interviewed for one direction: this is us (2013)

[icepick-jackalope]

The fact that Joe Morelli is so minor that every poster identifies him by his weapon and yet his themes ARE the films themes, the fact that he's playing the stereotypical 'one last job' career killer but with actual depth because dammit he loves and is fundamentally unable to say no to goncharov, the fact that his theme has leitmotifs from katyas and andreys because he, on the basest level, mirrors their unwillingness to say no to the beastly man that made them all who they are (for better and for worse, in sickness and in health), the fact that he - as one of our two actually italian characters in this italian mob film - is killed on the steps of the cathedral he was married in (cmon you guys why are you sleeping on the intersection of faith and deceit), the fact that it was his father in laws fucking ice pick-

[trashworldblog]

ryan's intro to Goncharov (1973)

Unsolved: The Goncharov Hysteria

[galacticsabc]

Katya

[tropicalscream]

Maybe Goncharov was the friends we made along the way

[tooquirkytolose]

It's been less than a week and Goncharov has breached containment and is all over tiktok, theres numerous articles about it now, a NYT article even!!, 1000 works and counting on ao3, martin fuckin scorses knows about it- we did it tumblrinas

[ebronkious]

most homoerotic movie of all time, thank you Martin Scorsese

[deoidesign]

I watched Goncharov as a kid and never got it, but it's my boyfriend's favorite movie (red flag, I know) so I watched it again last year and it really stuck with me. Had to draw him