#homestuck discourse

[captainvio]

It’s a shame that I’ve seen multiple different content creators in the Homestuck community support stuff like endo systems and bi lesbians

[roomwithavoid]

the thing about the homestuck fandom is they will jump through hurdles trying to convince everyone that hussie saying “yeah sure” to a headcanon being canon somehow holds more weight than things that appeared in spin-off material like pesterquest and the epilogues/hs2

and yes this is about how people who assert june egbert is the only canon interpretation also somehow refuse to let go of transfemme roxy

[pigeonapologist]

i recognize that by saying this i am essentially kicking a wasps nest on purpose

but i think its telling that vriska is so hated but the same fanbase that hates her turned eridan 'racially motivated genocide wizard' ampora into a sadboi misunderstood twink blorbo

[organs-n-blood]

i know i'll get death threats for saying this but, i honestly wish june egbert wasn't a thing, i have nothing against the headcanon, but the amount of discourse it has brewed up is honestly frightening to me

[3ndun0btained]

I love how on tumblr all I see is cool homestuck fanart and ppl encouraging each other and then I open twitter and ppl are fighting over homestuck discourse I've never heard of before.

[bubbafishy]

i love returning to homestuck in 2023 and still seeing discourse. still seeing fanart, and if anything, still seeing the old famous posts shared around. i also love seeing people still posting about reading it for the first time. i wouldn’t consider homestuck dead- just very different today. not as popular as it was, of course, but it’s still something people talk about and experience. sorry for getting sappy- i just thought i would return to something completely dead, but here we are :)

[homestuck-discourse]

Is John egbert sexist? Debate in the notes

[ha22iium-xy]

*clears throat*

Guys--

What if all of the kids are some sort of hermafrodites because John can't really work out how ectobiology works (despite his pesterchum handle)??

[winternimbus]

OK. i saw @juney-blues's post on the weird transmisogynistic fencesitting the homestuck fandom at large in regards to june egbert's canonicity (which you can read here), and i wanted to pitch in my two cents on it as a Grouchy Transfem Nonbinary GNC Lesbian Girlthing that's had homestuck as a piece of media which had fundamentally changed it as a person since early 2016 starting off, interacting with the homestuck community as an isolated teen in the world's worst living situation in the mid-late 2010's introduced me to other queer people, and through that interaction w/ other queer people, led me to put two and two together, and realize that i'm not cis, alongside genuinely saving my life at times. there's a reason why i chose "lalonde" as a last name, and it's because i saw alot of myself in roxy lalonde. so did countless other transfems in the fandom. i do always think the homestuck fandom at large has always had a consistent issue with transmisogny (glaring HARD at how march eridan and how long that "joke" was able to persist), but regardless of your opinions on them--the epilogues and later hs^2 really exacerbated the fandom's transmisogyny issue. something that is still clear as day was back in 2019, and being in disbelief over meatroxy--while i'm ambivalent about meatroxy in the present day, and ultimately meatroxy was a situation where both sides lose (but that's for another post), i still vividly remember seeing how vicious people got about meatroxy, to the point of outright chasing trans women out of the fandom wholesale. fun times! there's also the present matter of how kate was directly targeted for harassment by the fandom and was forcibly kicked out of the fandom. while i personally don't agree with kate's opinions--nobody deserves to go through that shit. and the fact that she was targeted for being a vocal trans woman in the community ultimately details a much more malignant pattern with this fandom and there we get to the meat of my point of what i'm talking about, you can tell that june being canonized has made a solid chunk of the homestuck fandom show their whole ass--for lack of a better word. between the transmisogynistic fencesitting of "both egberts can coexist!" (which translates to "i understand june BUT i like her pre-transition self better actually") that still is persisting to this day like it or not, june egbert is a trans woman. she isn't "j egbert" or just "egbert"--any trans person would most likely clock you across the face if you insisted on referring to them by a nickname or their last name instead of their chosen name. the fact that most of this fandom just can't swallow the pill and accept that their fave is a trans woman without outright ignoring them or going "well they're genderfucked actually teehee" is just.. needlessly frustrating

[thedatafucker]

[mister-heart]

I’ve been told they have to add an extra ‘s’ and it’s TROLLSSONA.

[incorrect-hs-quotes]

Terezi: SORRY, BUT WH4T'S TH3 D1FF3R3NC3 B3TW33N TR4NS3XU4L 4ND TR4NSG3ND3R?

Sollux: tran22exual2 hang from the ceiiliing and tran2gender2 grow up from the ground

[zimsrightantenna]

The fandom has woobified your poor little meow meow. In front of you is a gun with only 2 bullets, and you must use both. You can shoot the woobifier, your meow meow, or yourself.

Ps. Do not kill each other in the notes, please.

[homestuck-discourse]

I believe jade Harley is a closeted lesbian.

[nyancrimew]

Is a hotdog a type of taco?

i feel like this is the question that will truly end up getting me cancelled on here depending on how i answer

[cryptar]

yknow i say im a huge multishipper but i wouldnt actually consider myself much of a shipper at all. just open to the idea of trying everything once. the term has typically romantic connotations and follows the assumption that i think, and want, these characters to be good for eachother.

I'm, personally, less interested in the prexisting chemistry than i am in the puzzle of figuring out what differing circumstances could potentially cause two characters who have seemingly nothing in common to become eachothers everything.

This could explain my favorism towards rarepairs and more convoluted dynamics, and my aversion to popular, fluffy pairings that have already been explored a thousand times over, there's no work for me to do there.

Not to mention that when a ship becomes too popular it starts cannibalising itself, and lots of good, interesting characterisations are lost in the sea of people bending characters into pre-orchestrated, saccharine dynamics. alot of which are usually downright fetishy in nature, particularly in mlm pairings.

I mean i would say being able to get ooc and self indulgent is downright mandatory for making a good fic, but there's only so many times i have to read a fic about a big, overprotective, manly-man top who does all the work and the shy, small, swoony, softhearted femme-wifey-bottom before it starts to just be lazy.

I actively have to go out of my way to search 'switch' tags if i want true-to-the-character, mutual emotional reciprocation. which i really, really shouldn't have to do as an ace person who actively skips through nsfw.

And it's not that popular wlw pairings aren't guilty of these problems aswell, but those tend to lean more into the 'soft lesbians who can do no wrong' stereotype, which always completely (butch)ers all nuisance that makes the ship worth shipping in the first place.

As well as that's if they're even the focus of the story at all and aren't just shoved to the side by the main mlm couple. mlw pairings can be culpable of both these things, with the added risk that you find out the author made a twitter post with the characters in front of the 'super straight' flag.

Though i also wonder if me being aspec plays any part as again; im not as interested in the romantic aspects as i am in the possible hurdles they may face throughout the potential relationship.

Anyone else feel like this?