#homestuck discourse

[distantdriller]

Okay so @/orangeouji is profic and ships stridercest

Maybe you should be honest with what kind of content you support, asshole??? Maybe even be true to yourself???

[lateantiquechud]

"You cannot be a boy vriska" is peak current year idpol thinking. Back during homestuck's peak of popularity, SPECIFICALLY the peak before the tumblr mentality takeover, there were so many people I ran into in FPS shooters that were either teenagers or grown ass men with the username "arachnidsGrip" in some variationwith a vriska pfp in mic chat lmao. You know the time frame where homestuck was just viewed by most people as either "kinda slow at the start so i didn't read it's boring/bad lmao"or people that had been reading since the start that found the beginning pretty funny too. Act 5 era homestuck timeframe basically. Also during that time there was a lot of r63 fan art of characters that was pretty grounded and not coomery, and a distinct lack of broccoli hair vitiligo that would shortly encompass everything a mere few years later. The "june" art of that timeframe captured John's personality pretty well from what I remember seeing. Shit was a LOT more innocent autism and nowhere near as politically or sexually (or god help you both!) motivated like current year homestuck fan shit is.

[snivel1]

I'm onto something I think

[vending-wonderland]

The Mouthwashing fandom has caused a horrible ripple effect within fandom spaces. Because of the whole "not drawing Jimbob XD" thing within the Mouthwashing fandom, other spaces are now doing that with their respective problematic characters.

The "I'm going to not acknowledge this character in a very visible way to piss off and stick it to fans of the character" thing is stupid and annoying. It's going to take fandoms back to a place where people get harrassed for liking problematic characters.

I literally just saw a Homestuck dancestors lineup where the person drew everyone BUT Cronus and instead they put a crude edit of him there. Like come on........

[chopapop]

I will never understand why when talking about ships people decide which names go first based off who they think top/bottoms like, where I'm from, we just said whatever rolled off the tongue better. Seeing Zosan/Sanzo discourse recently and it's so funny to me because I just think back to when the homestuck fandom collectively decided it was Davekat because Kardave sounded ridiculous. Zosan just sounds better, I don't care who takes it up the butt, Sanzo just sounds stupid. I've noticed this mostly with the one piece fandom, because, like, holy shit, some of these ship names just sound like utter dog shit. I'm sorry. what the hell is usosan. just say sanuso. I swear it's so much easier. same with Luzo. Zolu literally just sounds better

[thefastestclockintheuniverse]

Love the notion that what they've written on the wall has something to do with their subconscious thoughts of themselves (John), secret psychic messaging (Rose), and... oh for fuck's sake that's just Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff.

[residentsweatgoblin]

Reddit when a trans woman echos the popular sentiment

Vs

Reddit when a trans woman speaks of personal experience and highlights transmisogynistic sentiments

[imeanthatsdebatable-blog]

I recognize RoseMary makes more sense narratively, since they spent 3 years together; and even if romantic feelings were prevalent in the first two acts between John and Rose, you can't really expect anyone to wait that long, especially in their circumstance

However, a part of me can't help but feel that RoxyGen is more of a consolation prize, like "well...they should have SOMEONE..." Even if I do think it's cute.

Point is, I'm a sucker for Golden Retriever/Black Cat dynamics

[johnegbertlover413]

John: creates massive cyclones that are able to whipe out BEC NOIRS flames and even from the beginning is able to summon wind in times of need

Rose: literally talks to Eldridge beings giving her knowledge and teaching her skills Taht she wouldn’t have access to otherwise and actually putting her skills to use and moving the plot along.

Dave: uh durrrr he time travels like an hour and it’s durrrrr supa awesome! What do you mean what else does he do? Why would he do anything else? Durrrr, plot advancement? Durrrrrr never heard of it! He’s TOTALLY the most powerful beta kid before Jade dogtiers and John gets retcon powers DURRRRRRR

[candycoated-rage]

i was in the corpclash server when i made a startling realization

[distantdriller]

One of my problems with Davepeta fans is how a decent amount of them seem to act like Davesprite and Nepeta becoming Davepeta was an objectively good/satisfying ending for the two of them, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is dumb or wrong. People who think like this contribute to my dislike of Davepeta.

As a person who doesn’t see Davepeta as a satisfying ending for either of their components, I personally think that anyone is entitled to their own interpretations of Davesprite, Nepeta, and Davepetasprite^2, regardless of whether I agree or disagree.

Idk maybe I’m misjudging people and their opinions.

[calware]

at least i was not here in 2017

[jarmes]

I think the cardinal sin of fandom discourse is the equating of meaningless fan bullshit with actual genuine violent crimes. Like no, someone shipping the Winchesters together and someone being arrested for sexual assault are not the same thing, do not mention them in the same callout post, it just makes your argument sound fucking stupid.

Like, to give the specific example that inspired this post, I'm working on a video essay about Homestuck^2, and one of the former writers for that comic, Kate Mitchell, is despised by most of the Homestuck fanbase for various reasons. I have seen accusations for everything from transphobia to racism to child molestation, almost always without any source whatsoever. Some of the reasons people dislike her are probably genuine, just based on the sheer number of posts claiming different things, but I can't verify any of it, meaning I don't trust it enough to mention it in a video.

Except, there is one tumblr post, that gives a lengthy list of crimes, then has a link to an imgur post containing dozens of receipts. But, the moron who made this post fucked up, and instead of including dozens of images, only included a single screenshot, where Mitchell says "I don't think Gamzee Makara is a very compelling villain. I don't think his misogyny is charming and I think finding him sympathetic requires misreading the comic."

Do you see the problem here? Do you see the contrast between what is claimed and the evidence that supports that claim? Like I was promised evidence of transphobia, and I was given evidence of disliking a webcomic character, which to this fandom-brained tumblr is indistinguishable.

Is Kate Mitchell a bad person? Fuck if I know! Because the only post to include receipts decided the most heinous crime was disliking a villain from a webcomic, which means I do not trust a single other claim they make. Like that post also lists "Drove multiple people to suicide" and "Thinks Vriska Serket is a good person" in the same fucking set of bullet points. Pick your fucking battles and leave the fandom bullshit at the door when there are actual serious issues to discuss

[aro-aceattorney]

my hot take is that the defining characteristic of a character being a “Vriska” is that there HAS to be so much internet discourse about them.

A vriska has to be many of the things people associate with her: a female character who is mean with dubious justification, but if people aren’t getting genuinely mad in TikTok comments defending/decrying her then she is Not A Vriska.

Vriska, to me, is discourse personified. She was explicitly created to be a character people would get so fucking mad about, and she does that perfectly!!

For example: Franziska von Karma is often described as a Vriska. she’s mean, she’s bitchy, she has a vaguely tragic backstory - but she is Not the subject of widespread discourse. In my mind, that makes her Not Vriska.

But consider Azula from ATLA- she’s bitchy, she’s mean, and people To This Day are still fighting about whether or not she‘a redeemable. Now THAT is a Vriska!!!

[starkid256]

cobbled this together in 5 minutes

[relaxxattack]

rereading the hivebent commentary makes me so annoyed that people are never really willing to analyze the actual effects that alternian culture clearly had on every troll, especially the highbloods. pretty much the only troll who ever actually gets taken in the context of her upbringing is vriska.

no one ever seems willing to think about the character arcs of trolls like equius and terezi, who are also bluebloods with extremely hypocritical and toxic understandings of the people around them-- equius is boiled down to a gross creep who is just like that naturally and definitely didn't get it from his society in any way, whilst terezi is scrubbed of virtually all her flaws and turned into a strange sort of woke love interest character who is all about being gay and too cool to be tricked by any of the alternian propaganda. quadrants? classism? how silly! terezi would never believe in stupid shit like that. she's quirky! and GAY!

despite the fact that equius and terezi both obviously have much, much more to their personalities than that-- and the alternian empire is informing way more dangerous things about these kid's beliefs than "you can kiss your enemies".