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[bohemian-nights]

Nettles is a Targaryen but never included in Targaryen Women edits 🤷🏾‍♀️

Boom! Literally the only time they talk about her being a Targaryen is to say But but but Daemon and Nettles can’t be lovers because she was his daughter or to peddle their newest lie which is claiming that people are racist(ironic given that these are the same group of fans that use racial slurs) because we don’t believe that Black people can be Targaryen’s 🫠

Any other time it’s I hate Nettles or She’s irrelevant and can be cut/replaced/racebent because there are already five Black(ish) characters on the show, adding another one would be “too many.”

[mgu-h]

Lando Review 214/? • June 2021 • Connor's Twitch Stream

[hellsitegenetics]

can you do jerma's meat grinder monologue?

Okay, if I... if I chop you up in a meat grinder, and the only thing that comes out, that's left of you, is your eyeball, you'r- you're PROBABLY DEAD! You're probably going to - not you, I'm just sayin', like, if you- if somebody were to, like, push you into a meat grinder, and, like, your- one of your finger bones is still intact, they're not gonna pick it up and go, "Well see, yeah it wasn't deadly, it wasn't an instant kill move! You still got, like, this part of your finger left!" NO I'M NOT GONNA PUT YOU INTO A MEAT GRINDER. I'M NOT GONNA PUT YOU INTO A MEAT GRINDER. NO. I'm making a reference to the fact that, like, if I, like, if I were to get fucking KILLED... I don't know, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYIN'. If- if- okay, if you were to- okay we're gonna take humans out of this, if alien Globgobglobgo 1 fuckin' shoots a disintegrating ray at alien Globglo 2, if there's only fucking TEETH LEFT, it's- it's fucking you're dead, you're dead.

"If I were to put you in a meat grinder," goddamnit, it's so fucked up! You understand what I'm sayin' though, I'm not actually saying that I'm going to put somebody in a meat grinder, goddamnit. Whatever.

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Closest match: Urtica urens genome assembly, chromosome: 8 Common name: Small nettle

[gremlinlotusannonhere]

[Clove had been spying on Nettle, watching them from afar because he was too scared to interact with them]

@clover-annon

*they noticed a while ago, not saying anything as to not startle him but their cat on the other hand... A large, sabertooth-like cat just gently picks up Clove with her teeth*

[i-give-you-a-fish]

Happy birthday (late) i give you sea nettle jellyfish from a Louisiana aquarium

I love her <3

[thesunfyre4446]

Maelor was removed from the show because the writers didn't know what do with him without tarnishing Rhaenyra's character.

Every murder had nothing to do with her, from Daemon acting on his own accord when executing Vaemond to the most insincere "how could you 🥺??? reaction to Jaehaerys' beheading. Rhaenyra had nothing to do with either killing despite being the biggest beneficiary from both deaths. She is also the biggest beneficiary of Maelor being absent.

So Maelor was removed for 3 reasons:

Rhaenyra remains unscathed with the blemish of being a baby killer, they can continue their narrative of the girlboss queen who is the most feminist feminist to ever feminist.

All remaining males in Team Green are now evil men, Alicent is therefore 100% justified in selling them out to the enemy. It's also ok for Rhaenyra to kill all of them because it's not like there are any newborns lying around 👍.

Rhaenyra is now the only mother with infant children, and the show made a point of including a scene where she plays with them. This makes a huge difference to how the GA will precieve her in comparision to Alicent who only has adult children and Helaena who has one blink and you'll miss it 6 year old.

100% agree anon. every character that makes rhaenyra look bad is removed from the narrative altogether. nettles

[marzipanandminutiae]

I think I agree with you giving GRRM half points in the Question of Small clothes. While medieval women didn't wear pants, a lot of textual evidence points to them using rags during their period. This lady has done some experiments and has found that wearing rags tied to a belt to be the comfiest:

https://wh1350.at/en/equipment/menstruation-in-medieval-times-a-practical-experiment/

That scene between Jamie and Cerci would work if you visualised rags tied to a belt ("laced" underwear), but the GRRM would probably have mentioned period blood as an edgy moment. I think he would have also made a big deal of free bleeding too though

Honestly, given some of the quotes people brought up, I want to lock GRRM in a room with some paper and a pencil and say "okay, draw smallclothes."

Because at times they're described like briefs, boxers, or panties- IE "shit his smallclothes" or "he ripped her smallclothes away" -but other times like a shift/smock or a pair of 19th-century combinations? like saying that people of any gender who were cold wore "two layers of smallclothes?" I don't know about boxers, but two layers of panties wouldn't do anything to keep you warm

Honestly it sounds like he gave this no cohesive thought and SmallclothesTM are just whatever form of underwear he needs them to be in the moment. Which, as multiple people have said, is mostly annoying because he makes such a HUUUUUGE deal about figuring out societal minutiae

"what are Aragorn's tax policies?" I don't know, George; how do his undergarments function? who makes them? what are they made OF? what properties of that material make it useful for undergarments? if it's not the real-life "using linen to wick sweat and body oils away from the body and protect unwashable outerwear from it," what are over-garments made of that they CAN be washed frequently without damage or weakening the fibers? if men and women are both wearing a brief-like lower garment called "a pair of smallclothes," why is it sometimes described as being layered for warmth?

for that matter, why are women in conventional clothing wearing them in a setting where Skirts For Women is the norm, when historically that made more sense for people wearing trousers (to prevent chafing and/or Crotch Sweat Damage to said trousers)? at least, outside of their menstrual cycle?

in conclusion, clothing history and general broader understanding of how garments/garment production and care systems work is radically undervalued in fiction. probably because of misogynistic negative associations with women and therefore "triviality" because Nothing Women Care About REALLY Matters (even though Men Wear Clothing Too). but that's another conversation

[mscaseys]

idk if you’re a fic reader but if so any severance fic recs?

my favourite of all time is nettles by brutalizer, i think the gemma character analysis is incredible like the author took the exact thoughts out of my mind. they've also wrote another fic which is in the same universe as nettles. the other one i love is this fic by cassiandor, it's more mark and devon centric rather than markgemma, but i love it because i love character analysis fics and i love the sibling dynamic sooo much. i'm not terribly up to date on the tag and mostly these recs are what my friends have sent to me, but do let me know if you have fics you liked too!!

[staarbles]

misc horrorvale doodles i realize i havent posted here yet

bonus act 2 scene under the cut

[unicornachos2]

The fact that Beloved knows the exact kinds of things to calm Fitz.... The fact that they asked Burrich for the recipe to a tea they know will make Fitz feel at home..... The fact that they know they won't be able to sleep the night before they go to Clerres and that Fitz won't either, unless they send Fitz off to sleep with stories from home...

[bohemian-nights]

They're so angry Nettles is coming now they want to say she's not black oml

They’ve been saying this for months now sadly 🤦🏽‍♀️ Scratch that. Some of them have tried to whitewash Nettles for years now 😗:

Only the one made in 2013 has an “excuse” because there was no official artwork of her yet, but even then she is described as having brown skin in The Princess and the Queen so🤷🏽‍♀️

The rest 😬 You could make the argument that they didn’t know about the Dance lore DVD , but that came out in early 2016 and if you knew about Nettles enough to draw her you should’ve seen that video where she looks like this:

(Even little ole me, a person who was only able to get through Fire & Blood early last year after attempting to read it in late 2020, has known about that lore video for 7 years now☺️).

I will say that ever since the show ended, the attempted race-bending has gotten worse.

Prior to HOTD (2-10 years ago) most of the fandom(minus the people drawing Nettles as a tan non-Black woman or just straight-up white and that one fancast 🙃) acknowledged that Nettles was at least Blackish cause the actresses they used in their fancasts for her were Black or Blackish 🤷🏽‍♀️:

Hell, go on Reddit and everyone wanted Zendaya to play her:

This is a terrible pick for so many reasons, but still better than what they are doing now🫠

Now it seems like the only way they can cope with Nettles being on the show is to imagine her being completely non-Black(and insisting she’s in Blackface cause in 2023 HBO would definitely be able to get away with that without facing 0 backlash 👍🏽).

I blame this switch in large part on Dumbnyra’s deranged rabidly racist fanbase who somehow thought HOTD was going to cater to their every whim and demand, axe Nettles(or make her into a child or a sexless mammy figure which is why they cried about her potential actress wearing a dress😚), and give them their great white incest ship after they “screwed over” Jonerys 🤣🤣🤣

They are butthurt, refuse to relate to Nettles cause of her race(which is why some have tried to whitewash her for years), and they definitely don’t want to see a Negro with Daemon. So they’ve stooped to starting an aggressive race-bending campaign🤷🏽‍♀️

When that doesn’t work they’ll put all their energy into saying how Daemon and Nettles are better off staying platonic pals in s3 🙃

And if HBO does give us Dettles(and doesn't try to pull some more racist bs) then they’ll just start labeling Nettles a whore and saying how evil she is to “steal” Daemon away from his family🤷🏽‍♀️ All while having mental breakdowns every five seconds, endlessly making more gifs/edits of that dry beach scene another million times, and putting in the tags/comments “what we had before the dirty Jezebel showed up”🤣

It’s funny and sad at the same time, but besides wanting an non-Black woman to be in Blackface, there is nothing new to see here🤷🏽‍♀️

[princesssszzzz]

GRRM’s blog just updated and he seems pissed

https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2024/07/11/here-there-be-dragons-2/

LMFAOOOOO drag them!!! I was under the impression he was in the writers room because I swear that’s what they announced to get people to watch the show? But he clearly doesn’t know what’s going on in the writers rooms for HOTD and apparently doesn’t even have control over some things for his books 🤨

Anywho he’s definitely talking about Nettles and Sheepstealer towards the end. Sheepstealer only went to the Vale because Nettles took him there and got a cave for him to live in. He didn’t go there on his own and just flew around freely (assuming those leaks are true and Sheepstealer is actually in the Vale) but really it applies to any dragon. He’s telling them to stop fucking up his canon but will they listen? But seems like he will just publicly take shots at them until they stop messing with his story. Love that for us 😂😂

[tessarionbestgirl]

Since I saw your post about daemon’s redemption: Have to say it’s really goddamn telling that Daemyra is the most popular ship involving daemon while nettles is the least popular despite being his arguably only canonical love interest. Like yes Daemon x nettles is problematic though what ship in asoiaf isn’t and Nettles is who daemon arguably sacrifices everything for in order for her to escape unharmed plus nettles confronts all of daemons toxic ideals and forces him to change. I swear if nettles wasn’t a black woman and was white like rhaenyra people wedlock to daemon x nettles in a heart beat but because nettles was black people need to show faux concern and say “what about rhaenyra” you know the woman who tried to hate crime nettles

Oh yeah is funny because while I do ship Alys and Daemon on the show, I saw some D*emyra already being more open about them being a thing then Nettles and Daemon.

I even remember people making threads, how, makes no sense Daemon fall for Nettles because she has no Valyrian characteristics. What you know is exactly the point of why Martin wrote he falling in love for Nettles, despite the problematic aspects. It is the whole Brienne and Jaime arc. Brienne is not even close to a classic knight or the classic beauty of woman but she honorable and beautiful in her way as Nettles despite probably not having any Valyrian blood on her she still able to do something no one was, taming a big wild dragon while also not being westorosi beauty standard. All this affect Jaime/Daemon to question their views and change to better. ( And arguably Brienne and Jaime are way more popular than Nettles and Daemon).

Of course this is lost when Ryan adapted the Valaryons to be black, so in this sense I understand why Ryan wouldn't want to adapt the romance between them because part of what make it compelling is lost. Whatever her character shouldn't get repurpose to other characters, and had her importance diminished in the process, because if you saw the leaks, Sheepstealer is small and ugly, and not ugly in the way Vaghar or Vermithor are ugly. The dragon is ugly that stand out as weak and have no appeal even compared to other dragons and it looks even generic design.

Imagine if Game of thrones they have repurpose Brienne to Pod and made him a shitty swordsman and Jaime gave him a random sword. Meanwhile instead of Jaime learning important lessons about himself, the world and being a important step to disconnect from the toxic relationship with Cersei, he had learned to embrace even more hid worse threats and all he needs was to be loyal to Cersei.

The narrative in the book on purpose says "Jaime throwing a kid from the window for love is not right." While the show justifies Daemon killing for Rhaenyra, doing b&c and so on. You know how insane this is?! The fandom back in the time would go crazy over this. Meanwhile hotd fandom, specially tb, justifies it and even some like it.

And he done that for what? Fanservice? Because is that how it feels. This season feels in a lot of sense filler and response for Twitter fans. Either to criticize, to justify it self or to endorse the worse opinions there.

[gremlinlotusannonhere]

White Woman Anon appears in front of Nettle

Hello! I'm back!

@white-woman-anon

Oh. It's you again. Hello.

[avianwofdesigns]

nettle. now

Shepherd this has probably been sitting in the ask box for like. A while. Idk

[nobodysuspectsthebutterfly]

You don’t believe Nettles was Daemon’s bastard?

🤨 Yes? I mean, no, I don't believe Daemon fucked his daughter. Presuming that's what you're asking, and that you aren't a sexual-relationship-denialist. (I find "anti" doesn't quite work as a properly definitive noun here.) If you are, though, you should reread:

By the dwarf’s account, Daemon Targaryen had come to love the small brown bastard girl, and had taken her into his bed. How much credence can we give the fool’s testimony? [...] Septon Eustace says her teeth were crooked, her nose scarred where it had once been slit for thieving. Hardly a likely paramour for a prince, one would think. Against that we have The Testimony of Mushroom…and in this case, the Chronicles of Maidenpool as set down by Lord Mooton’s maester. Maester Norren writes that “the prince and his bastard girl” supped together every night, broke their fast together every morning, slept in adjoining bedchambers, that the prince “doted upon the brown girl as a man might dote upon his daughter,” instructing her in “common courtesies” and how to dress and sit and brush her hair, that he made gifts to her of “an ivory-handled hairbrush, a silvered looking glass, a cloak of rich brown velvet bordered in satin, a pair of riding boots of leather soft as butter.” The prince taught the girl to wash, Norren says, and the maidservants who fetched their bath water said he oft shared a tub with her, “soaping her back or washing the dragon stink from her hair, both of them as naked as their namedays.” None of this constitutes proof that Daemon Targaryen had carnal knowledge of the bastard girl, but in light of what followed we must surely judge that more likely than most of Mushroom’s tales.

Or to sum up what Gyldayn is saying: "normally Mushroom is not trustworthy. However, here is a maester (someone in my job, someone I trust) with his professional records of the histories of Maidenpool, and he confirms Mushroom's story. I think it's very likely."

Or what GRRM is saying: "I know I set up Mushroom to be the wild sexy gossip you can't believe guy, but this is an actual bit of wild sexy truth here, ok? Sorry the conceit of my history book doesn't let me actually state anything outright."

And in case you were asking the daddy-in-more-ways-than-one question, no, I've stated from the start (2013 with TPATQ, tyvm) that Nettles exists to show that dragonriding does not necessarily require Valyrian blood. Daemon is just paternalistic. Patronizing, in a Henry Higgins meets "Wildest Dreams" kinda way...