#oath of love spoilers

[rainbowsky]

I'm watching OOL bc I take forever to get around to stuff. Tonight's episode was the one where Gu Wei is jealous of the violinist. I remembered back when it first aired, there was a post comparing GG's expression in that scene to how he looked at Happy Camp. It made me giggle. I want to find it again, but I don't recall if it was you who posted it or one of the other lovely bjyxszd fans I follow. <3

Ah, yeah, that was me LOL.

I'm glad to hear you're watching it now. Better late than never. A surprising number of turtles have never seen GG and DD's other projects besides The Untamed.

For those people, here's where you can see their other projects!

[maddymoreau]

Thinking about how Diavolo’s feelings transcend time and how in the Nightbringer UR+ card Demon Lord’s Castle Tour this conversation happens.

When asked, “Do you wish to see your father?”

Diavolo responds:

“I suppose I do . . .” isn’t the typical reaction to how a child would feel about wanting to see their parent. Especially when said parent has essentially been in a coma for a year.

Along with how Diavolo describe his father.

It makes more sense why when you learn in Lesson 56 how Diavolo was treated by him growing up.

Diavolo can tell when others are lying but is unable to understand his father’s intentions.

Diavolo mentions that he lived a very sheltered life growing up. That from a young age his father never allowed him a chance to talk to anyone outside the castle.

His childhood friend was Mephistopheles. A demon literally RAISED to be his friend. Putting a barrier between the two because Mephistopheles would put Diavolo on a pedestal.

The isolating childhood he experienced riddled with his strict father constantly scolding him.

Despite everything MC is so important to him he wants to see his father again so we can meet.

[grayintogreen]

Personally I think it would be really funny if Dorian’s twink ass multiclassed into Vengeance paladin and he made his Oaths solely to his own righteous fury and the pretty wind lady who was nice to him.

[eff-plays]

Broke: Astarion choosing to die when Tav dies.

Woke: Astarion continuing to live on because his entire arc is about choosing to live again, choosing himself, choosing independence.

Bespoke: Tav outliving Astarion.

[smilesrobotlover]

Ok this has been bothering me all day. I saw a post talking about how Rauru and Sonia did more for Zelda than Rhoam did and… I’m once again going to defend Rhoam, cuz that’s a very unfair thing to say and a horrible comparison to make.

Rauru and Sonia helped Zelda with her time powers and learning about the secret stone. Rhoam didn’t help her with her sealing power. Why? Cuz he has no magic and he clearly wasn’t the one who had it. Her mother was the one who had the power and was the one to teach her. Rhoam had no idea what he was doing, he didn’t understand the magic, and he hoped that if she dedicated her life that it would awaken so that the calamity wouldn’t destroy their home.

Well he should’ve tried to help her anyways right? Well, yes it’s easy to say that, unfortunately Rhoam was put in a very bad position of being king with the looming threat of the APOCALYPSE!!!! I think it’s implied that Rhoam married into the family, since his wife had the sealing power from the blood of the goddess or whatever, and seeing how he’s Hylian, he wasn’t a prince from another kingdom since all other kingdoms in this world have small round ears. For all we know, he was a prince consort who was never raised to be king. We don’t know what he was doing before, but with his wife’s sudden death and the responsibility of protecting his kingdom, he didn’t make the right choices. Which isn’t an excuse, but in his position, it’s an explanation. Rauru and Sonia didn’t have an apocalypse threatening to happen, in fact, they were in an era of peace and the future seemed bright. Of course they had time to hang out with Zelda and have tea parties with her. They seemed to be relaxed and having fun, which makes sense seeing how there didn’t seem to be much of a threat to their kingdom, minus Ganondorf, but I don’t think either of them saw him as a huge threat, seeing how they were absolutely blindsided by him.

It’s implied in AOC that Rhoam shouldered all of the responsibilities of the kingdom, and it seemed that he was under a significant amount of pressure during the calamity. And I feel like he mostly did that so Zelda could focus on awakening her power. She didn’t seem to have many responsibilities as princess save for awakening her power and helping out the champions. She is barely 17 so it makes sense that she’s not ruling the kingdom, but I do feel like Rhoam did all that stuff so she could focus on the calamity itself. And I’m sure in his stress he grew frustrated whenever Zelda focused more on the machines than awakening her power. Which was not the right thing to do, but come ON the world is literally about to end and the ONLY piece of the puzzle they need is Zelda!!! Some people forget that she HAD to awaken her powers otherwise the world was going to be destroyed! And it almost was cuz they were awakened too late! They were in such an unfair situation! And it’s not fair to compare him to Rauru and Sonia who were not in the same situation he was in, who were lying around in the grass and drinking tea because the calamity wasn’t there.

Rhoam is such a well written character that acts the way you’d expect someone in his situation to act. And he has so much regret over some of the things he’s had to do to protect Hyrule. You can read it in his journal where he finally gives up and desires to act more like a father to Zelda, you can see it when he takes Terrako away from Zelda, and you can see it when he’s a ghost 100 years after everything is destroyed. He’s so guilty but he did what he thought was best so that Zelda could not have a throne to nothing, so that Hyrule will be safe. And there’s a lot of things he could’ve done better, but people don’t act rational under that much stress. Like come on, would you? Don’t lie you absolutely wouldn’t.

And this post isn’t meant to diss on Rauru and Sonia, I like them in their own ways. But it’s kinda dumb whenever people love complex characters and then turn around and hate on characters like Rhoam and make them completely one-dimensional when they’re not. Y’all are completely unfair to Rhoam.

[blood-starved-beast]

Uh is anyone gonna talk about how if you select the vow on the Oath of the Unseen where some enemies spawn revenants that when you destroy them there's a sound like when you much on the food item. IE. Melinoe is actually eating them. Uh, what's up with that.

[prince-liest]

lays down and makes high pitched noises of distress

Astarion romance confession scene is. BONKERS. exactly what I wanted from a character like this

he literally comes up to you like "hey, um. bad news. I feel like crap because I originally slept with you because I feared being abandoned and seducing you was the only way I knew how to find safety, except I accidentally tripped into love and it turns out that I would like this to be real" and then he confesses that intimacy just makes him hate himself and if you tell him that you care about him he looks scared shitless

THIS IS NOT THE EXPRESSION OF A MAN WHO KNOWS WHAT TO DO WITH BEING TOLD THE PERSON HE JUST LAID HIS SOUL BARE TO ACTUALLY GIVES A SHIT

that's his actual response. "Really?"

YES YOU BITCH THAT'S WHY I TALKED A DEVIL INTO KILLING HIMSELF AND HIS CAT FOR U JESUS COME HERE LET ME HUG U AGAIN

and the the game DOES let you hug him, thank GOD

10/10 I'm gonna reload and replay that scene like 10 times now to get every dialogue variation

[camgirlkaminari]

i just caught up with the latest chapters and like. those dudes definitely made out right? like that's not even subtext? like horikoshi fully said one and two absolutely went hog wild upon each other like. in the text, right??????? I have other, more cool and normal thoughts, but what is really important to me right now is that. those dudes definitely canonically got nasty. right???????????????????

[notontumblr]

As someone who was a transcriber for years, it is deeply hilarious that Alhaitham’s personal motive in helping overthrow the sages was because he was worried their antics would disrupt his scribe job. It's the academic equivalent of taking down a CEO so you can keep working the drive-thru.

[wayward-wren]

Reading Wit's conversation with 'Nomad' in Sunlit man and I'm sitting here like what did you do Hoid. What happened on Roshar. What are the 'events in Alethkar.'

Hoid I love you but if you are the cause of any hurt for my Bridge Four and adjacent guys I will be MAD

[canary3d-obsessed]

WTF Gu Wei

Ok, The Oath of Love has been out long enough that I don't feel bad about posting an appropriately-tagged spoiler. And I'm STILL bothered by this months and months after watching, so:

Early on, the Dad has stomach cancer, and the rival doctor guy wants to do a big extreme surgery to have the best chance of preventing the patient eventually dying from cancer. Gu Wei wants to do a more limited surgery that will treat the cancer while enable the patient to have a better quality of life and still be able to eat normally. The patient opts for the more limited surgery...and eventually DIES OF CANCER. Gu Wei's reaction is just "yes, cancer is very sad, sigh," without any consideration of how they reached this point. The show doesn't seem to realize it has proved that rival doctor guy was right?

(The show also doesn't realize that being a serious cello player involves hours and hours of practice, but I digress...)

[daemon-in-my-head]

"Why do you only play Paladin/Sorcadin? Did the meta get to you, too?"

I have absolutely no idea why I play these classes. Nope. None at all.

Yeah I absolutely do not know why I play the classes I do.

[telanana]

so I re-rolled my durge bc I wasn't really feeling the goody-goody paladin pairing off with astarion and wanted to see who she'd naturally gravitate toward most (probably gonna be wyll or karlach tbh) and the most unfortunate thing happened. I... got alfira joining my camp literally my second long rest in the game. none of the other party members have even started opening up about their bs so, as far as durge knows, these guys are all normal and she's the one who's Fucked Up. totally switches up the party dynamic from what I had last run and it's honestly amazing.

[swordmaid]

there’s like specific parts in act 3 I really like for shri’iia’s oathbreaking arc bc I think it’s not linear, and even if shes pursuing that path there’s still a chance for her to regress/turn back and remake her oath/follow lolth again. like I don’t think fully turning away from lolth is something she’s able to do in that moment considering that she was quite literally raised in that cult, and even though she recognises now how lolth only has victims not followers I think she is still able to find some comfort in the spider queen’s shadow (no matter how hostile it is) just because it’s what she was raised under, and what she knows. to her, it’s home.

so the parts im talking about is post cazador and post house of grief. hag romance aside (and it’s such a Big Thing for hag romance too) I like doing that quest for Shri’iia because her new oath now compels her to free the unfortunate spawns when before she would’ve left them to their fate and not give them any thought. But now she does care, and she knows what it feels to not be given a choice and what matters to her isn’t essentially freeing them - but rather, giving them the chance to choose for themselves. if they choose to run away and be free then she will help them, but if they choose to just die then she’ll help them too. The ability to choose and to have that free will is what matters to Shri’iia, and that’s like the very definition of her new Oathbreaker oath.

but then there’s also the hag romance conflict where Astarion - out of his own fear - thinks that he should ascend instead. He thinks he needs that power so no one can control him, and he could be free. And prior to the Cazador fight I think they’re also starting to argue about the ascension esp when she found out other souls are bound to the rituals bc her oath compels her to free them, but he thinks he needs that power so no one can touch him anymore. So it’s a touchy subject for the both of them, and the romance between them is still something new and fragile and they’re both learning how to love so it’s a veryy hmmm tense situation.

And in the moment where he asks for her help so he can ascend, I can actually see her threatening to kill him if he doesn’t back down. And I think that’s the point where she actually realises two things - a) she’s in love with this man because the thought of killing him will break her but she knows herself enough that she will do it b) even though she thinks she’s free, she’s still oath-bound. This new oath isn’t fully liberating her; she’s still following her own set of tenets and those can still be used against her or to control her. And i think that realisation will disarm her a little bit because she thinks she’s changed, and she’s a more idealised version of herself but then isn’t she still the same …? She’s still mindlessly following her tenets but they just took on a different form now. And there’s still a chance for someone to come along and deceive her, and use her the same way her Matriarch has used her so what changed exactly? And I think it’s soooo important for her to experience that doubt bc she can’t just be jumping from one cause to another without actually thinking about it, and fully realising what it is.

So post Cazador fight I just imagine her having this moment of crisis bc a) she’s in her feelings and she’s scared that she’s in love LOL b) she’s now doubting herself and this oath and now shes feeling bewildered and unsure similar to when she first broke her oath to lolth. But unlike before she will not spiral ! bc she has a support system this time ! and she’s not alone anymore !

and the other part is with the house of grief. unsure if it’s the default option but I like the route where shadowheart refuses to kill viconia so she doesn’t grant her that satisfaction and shri’iia is the one who executes her instead. and for shri’iia she has no emotional ties to viconia, she’s probably heard her name in passing as traitor of lolth and now she’s here to execute her. and it’s like she has her old oath again where she’s hunting down and executing lolth traitors but now she doesn’t feel the same gratification or satisfaction bc she understands why they would choose to betray lolth, and why they would risk it all and try to escape to the surface even though everyone up there hates them. it’s so important for her to understand that perspective, and to understand the things she did to gain the spider queen’s favour is deranged and fucked up and it was not love at all. and it also makes the route where she essentially regresses and runs back to lolth even more tragic bc she knows what’s it’s like to be free, and she knows why others choose to escape, and she understands it but she turns around and chooses to return anyway. it’s a tragic choice but it still makes sense to me imo ..!

anyway killing viconia is like the last time she kills a drow traitor. unsure if I want to keep the mirror of loss canon for her on one hand I kinda like the idea that she gives up all the memories of her matriarch, and every intel she has gathered for her, and every info that’s damning to the other noble houses to the mirror bc it’s like she’s closing that part of her life so to speak and she’s fully turning away from it but also I’m like this team is currently anti shar and we’re out here supporting bestie shadowheart we can’t be using any shar related things bc that just seems rude… so maybe it’s not canon… and now thinking about it more i don’t like how she’ll just forget all her time down there when it’s more significant that she actually does remember, and actively remember.

anyway shri’iia having a moment where her belief in her ideals wavers (which is such a 👀 moment for her bc she’s a paladin and her power relies on those beliefs) but in the end she understands that even though is following those tenets it doesn’t inherently mean she’ll be a mindless follower of it, and it’ll be used against her, and she’ll have no choice in her own actions. the presence of choice is still there and every choice is hers to make as well as every consequences are hers to bear. and just because she follows it and she wholeheartedly believes in it, I think she’s not entirely bound to it to the point of damnation. she is able to refuse and to ignore if she needs to, bc the only approval that matters - the only decision that matters - the only choice that matters - is hers..!! and that’s what this freedom means, and it’s something that was out of her grasp before but now it’s hers and it’ll be hers forever wooohoooo

[utilitycaster]

of COURSE Andhera is oath of devotion

[abalonemacaroni]

I am really happy that the last batch of episodes have fully been giving Vax’s champion arc it’s narrative due. Liam got so much shit in C1 for leaning into the oath from minmaxer fans who wanted him to completely disregard it just because it wasn’t a RAW part of the resurrection ritual. Now that the story is being animated into a more narrative medium it’s truly going off and taking advantage of all the various ways to expound on the arc that would have slogged to much in the stream.