#or stefan (also very valid)

[delayeddrabbles]

glitch - MAFS AU - ex bsf!rafe and single mom!oc (headcanons)

abbey montgomery | 17 27 | kook academy dropout and ex bsf of rafe cameron

reputation

that one girl in high school that everyone knows about but no one talks to anymore.

an absolute sweetheart, sunshine, bubbly, curvy, ginger girl. she does lose some weight later in life, but is always self-conscious about it.

she quickly became disillusioned with Kook life when she saw how quickly other teens and other moms avoided her once she got pregnant.

abbey is now shrouded in mystery and gossip as she cut off all ties with old kook friends and social circles and moved to the Cut to live in an old lady's attic.

reputation is her taylor album. even before getting pregnant she was seen as a bit of a groupie and a slut, hanging around rafe's friends and other cliques of older guys just wanting validation. major daddy issues and very few friends.

her theatre friends never listened to the gossip. they were the only ones who stayed loyal. she loved working tech for theatre productions and would've taken over as stage manager if she hadn't dropped out.

after years of being spoiled and sheltered, she finally saw how bad the hatred for the pogues was when suddenly overnight she became one.

parents

the only child to an aging dad and gold digger mother abbey was a lonely kid rattling about in the mansion or spinning on chairs in her mother's boss' office. inspired by marrisa and caleb/julie from the OC.

she had a lot of pent up energy and restlessness and that's probably why she gets along well with JJ.

her mother is the publicist and campaign manager in the mayor's office and her dad is a semi-retired businessman. her mom could've stopped working aswell but is a relentless social climber and constantly needs to stay relevant.

her parents were fine with her dating Kyle (23) . they figured she'd get married right out of high school and live comfortably off the Chambers' wealth.

rafe

if her parents had known rafe was using they probably would've disapproved of him but he kept up the perfect facade.

rose always wanted rafe and abbey to eventually get together. she thought rafe was an absolute nightmare and he needed someone to keep him in check.

some lowkey sexism there where they judged rafe for not going to college and making something of himself but they figured abbey would just be a housewife and that was totally normal.

rafe was her platonic soulmate and her ride or die. so much so that she even offered to come be his roommate at college just to get away from OBX and stay close to him. he was her safe space and her future when everything else was a mess. think joey and dawson or stefan and caroline.

they're both very bossy and stubborn. if one of them wants to go out they'll drag the other out of bed.

once he was old enough, abbey would force rafe to sneak her into all the weird art house and disturbing movies and plays she wanted to got into charleston. she was sweet and pretty on the outside but fascinated by everything spooky and weird and macarbe. she also loved depressing black and white films. rafe always fell asleep.

once max was born rafe was one of the few people who stayed and they began to spend more and more time together (if that was possible).

[anotherlibrocubicularist]

My TVD opinions

Disclaimer: These are all my opinions on this show in no particular order.I will add on more whenever I feel like it.

While these statements could be read as facts, they are, in fact, solely my opinions based on how I interpreted what I saw on the show. I don't claim to be inherently right about any of these things.

If you want me to elaborate on any of these things, please let me know.

The good brother/bad brother dynamic was awesome in the beginning as the show slowly deconstructed it in an entertaining and thoughtful way (the good brother turned out to be a bloodthirsty sadist and the bad brother had a stereotypically softer side to him), but lost its appeal when the show refused to permanently let it go.

2. Caroline and Matt are both at fault for the decline of their relationship. Matt entered the relationship despite still being in love with Elena, but Caroline knew of his feelings as well and still pursued Matt.

3. On that note, Caroline was attracted to Matt because of his status as the popular jock and Elena's boyfriend. Getting him to love her would have made her feel triumphant over Elena and that's what she longed to feel for the longest time.

4. Throughout the show, the most important thing to Caroline was male validation.

5. 'Elena should've remained single at the end of the show' or 'Elena should've stayed alone to properly grieve' are hypocritical statements considering that plenty fans (mostly Bonnie and Caroline fans) consider it a bad thing that their faves ended up with no man at the end of the show.

6. The writers should've left the concept of the 'ripper' as something akin to the Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde dynamic instead of the hereditary disease it became in the later seasons, thus ridding Stefan of any and all responsibility for his actions.

7. Caroline only managed to be good friends with Bonnie because she was never jealous of her.

8. Elijah, though always a monster even in TVD, was a lot more self-reflective and more than capable of leaving his family behind for extended periods of time. In short, very different from his co-dependent mess of a character on The Originals.

9. Bonnie and her mother not attending the Mikaelson ball makes sense. Why would Esther invite the reason she walks the earth to a ball where they can likely be killed and, in turn, take Esther back to the land of the dead as well?

10. Also, Bonnie not attending wouldn't have been an issue at all if the writers hadn't forcefully inserted Caroline and Matt into that plotline as well.

11. Elena did nobody a favour when she chose Stefan in s3 despite the fact that she clearly had existing feelings for Damon at the time. I understand she was afraid of what committing to Damon would've meant and saw Stefan as the 'safer' option for her self-image, but it would've saved these three a lot of pain if she had been honest with herself.

12. Katherine loved that Stefan loved a version of herself that she wished to be and she loved that Damon loved her despite knowing her bad traits as well.

13. Stefan had a too idealistic and ultimately wrong idea of both Katherine and Elena (the poor orphan girl from Atlanta/Virginia).

14. Stefan used Elena as a way to deal with the trauma resulting of his relationship he shared with Katherine.

15. Klaroline, at least how it played out on TVD, made sense.

16. One of the reasons people notice that Delena is toxic is because the show cannot stop mentioning it.

17. Another reason is that it's one of the few relationships that go beyond the courting stage. We rarely see relationships reach a level of domesticity that would reveal their domestic toxicity/incompatability.

18. Edward Cullen is morally better than Stefan. When he considered himself a bad influence on Bella he did everything in his power to stay away. Stefan however put himself in all of Elena's classes and witheld vital informatiom from her.

19. Finn Mikaelson did nothing wrong on his time on TVD. He was also the true outsider of his family, not Kol.

20. Rebekah was the one who set the hostile tone for her relationship with Elena with her actions when they first met. Like, she is violent and jealous and the next day she wants Elena to be her high school bestie?!

21. Elena was right to dagger Rebekah the day of prom. She would've interfered with their plan (which is something that Bonnie warned them of, so if anyone wants to blame Elena for daggering Bex here, put equal blame on Bonnie for putting that idea in her head; also the Salvatores were in favor of that idea as well so don't let them off the hook!)

22. Klaus may have needed Elijah more, but it was Rebekah he loved the most.

23. There are no good parents on this show.

24. If Bonnie had to have a toxic evil love interest, it should've been Kai. He had no romantic interest in anyone before or outside of her, he was no more or less evil than any other male villain and he was hella popular among the fans (because putting Bonnie with an evil love interest is only valid for the fans if the guy is popular). And with Kai being a witch, Bonnie could've explored her magic more.

25. Bonnie's fashion was among the more realistic for her finacial situation. Same goes for Matt.

26. Matt and Rebekah spending a summer together makes little sense considering the fact that just months ago she was almost responsible for his death.

27. Kol's death was approved by everyone in the MFG which makes everyone of them liable for his death, not just Elena and Jeremy. The former is even more often cited to have killed Kol despite the fact that Jer dealt the killing blow. Wtf?

28. The only reason people cared about Kol's death was the fact that Klaus shared a few tears.

29. There was NO reason to keep Finn daggered. He was not boring or against vampirism at the time of his daggering. He was in a happy relationship with the love of his life who he turned to spend etetnity eith her. THAT is the real reason he stayed daggered. They all envied him for his happiness!!!

30. Elijah being sad for Elena losing her brother when she had a hand in killing one of his makes sense if you keep in mind that he acknowledges that she has every right to kill Kol when he was the one who went after her family first!

31. Katherine losing all her loved ones at once and her subsequent behaviour does not make her a badass survivor but an emotionally crippled, paranoid and egotistcal little girl. Not letting people into her life and her heart is not badass, it's a sign of untreated trauma.

32. Katherine did not make Caroline better by turning her into a vampire. Caroline turned a bad situation around and made the best of it and I refuse to give Kat credit for something she had no part in.

33. Every character exhibits hypocritical and/or flawed behaviour on the show. Even the "good" ones.

34. Esther wanting to kill all vampires in the world (and the Bennett family's involvement) is more accepted as morally right by the fandom than the Gilbert siblings and friends killing a single original and his sireline. And I wanna know why that is.

35. Some people complain that Bonnie's heritage as a Bennett witch should be more explored and claim that her heritage makes her very important (both things I wholeheartedly agree with), but in the same breath complain that the doppelgaenger/Petrova line is expanded waaaay too many times and Elena's heritage is not that important. Either heritage and its exploration matters to you as a whole or you only care about it when your fave is concerned (like a hypocrite).

36. Elena NOT switching brothers twice was a good thing.

37. Steroline was a good fit couple wise and were not ever sibling coded (so stop the sterocest bs)

38. Bamon should've happened before Damon expressed his sincere romantic interest in Elena. I know some people would've loved later season Bamon to show Bonnie's supposed superiority over Elena (they're equally awesome to me, hence the ' '), but this late it feels like she gets Elena's leftovers with how many times the writers made delena references.

39. Speaking of Bamon, their friendship was so badly written. They were on a good way to become friends, not besties, but good friends naturally, but instead they were forced into close proximity in a whole other dimension with only each other as company. It's like the writers needed them to be besties by the time Elena left the show and this was the best idea they had.

40. Stefan's feeding habits almost exclusively involve women in various states of undress and high school girls. Make of that what you will.

41. Amara was the true victim of the love triangle as I doubt that she had any social power compared to Silas and Qetsiyah. I'm not saying she and Silas were right to go behind Qetsiyah's back but I do question how much say Amara had in the matter.

42. Klaus doesn't like witches. That's canon since day one. He does enjoy using their powers for his gain and I guess their bodies for his pleasure but he has them kneel in front of him and (fanatically) do his bidding, so I really don't get why people claim that tthe writers got rid of his love for witches at some point. He never had any to begin with.

43. Giving Klaus a storyline on TO where he frees a slave (Marcel) when he enslaved a whole pack of werewolves on screen on TVD was incredibly tone deaf yet nobody talks about it.

44. When the writers want to make a bad guy sympathetic they amp up the physical abuse they endured (compare early Mikael and Guiseppe to the later seasons) and that's problematic because it implies emotional abuse is somehow not severe enough to be taken equally seriously.

45. Stefan could've easily broken Vicky's neck instead of killing her. There was no reason she had to die.

46. Matt is one of the few people who truly stay mostly positive and a decent person despite their upbringing and econocmic situation.

47. Jenna was a terrible legal guardian.

48. Elena's traveler magic could've been interesting if the writers made her ask Bonnie to teach her magic. It would've given the girls a reason to get closer again and explore magic as a whole.

49. Damon adopting Sage's method of finding pleasure in feeding was his way of coping with his disgust of being a vampire.

50. Throughout the first three seasons, Bonnie is the character with the most agency (when compared to Elena and Caroline.

51. The werewolves as a species were done extremely dirty after s2 ended.

52. Klaus never turning after the first time makes sense if we factor in that he was never socialized to accept this side of him, but it would've been nice to see his wolf side at least once (after all, a lot of people had to die for it to happen).

53. Klaus should've used Katherine in the sacrifice for the ritual. The irony of her being part of something she fled from centuries ago would've been a fitting 'punishment' in Klaus' eyes.

54. Damon loved Katherine more truthfully than Stefan because he saw her for what she truly was. He did the same with Elena.

55. Having all the guys on the show be into Elena (not even true but some people still say it was) can't be a bad thing if you advocate for the same to happen to your female fave.

56. Bonnie's prom dress was the most beautiful (I know people have different tastes but I even saw fans call that ugly...srsly wiwwy?!?!)

57. Tyler and Bonnie could've made a great couple, but I see nobody ever talk about it.

58. Forwood (and Mattoline too) gave Caroline the "villain love interest treatment". The ship's main purpose was to show her softer side and to endear her to the audience while she still remained mostly the same character with a few superficial ephemeral personality adjustments.

59. Katherine being allowed anywhere near Stefan in any kind of initmate way without it being shown to be wrong and disgusting is a crime. Daroline had the proper reactions (mostly) but Steferine had the writers go all "oh it's so romantic!!" (the nerve.)

60. Katherine taking over Elena's body after Elena forgave Katherine for all the things she did to hurt her made me think her beyond redemption in my eyes.

61. Katherine being a horrible mother to her child Nadia is not 'out of character' as some people claim.

62. I don't mind Stefan dying at the end of the show.

63. Caroline being magically impregnated is a horrrible plotline and she should've not become these kids' mother.

64. Jo should've lived. If anyone should've died it should've been Alaric.

65. Tyler should've had his own pack and Bonnie should've had her own coven by the end of the show.

66. Parkwood was a good relationship.

[andreal831]

In regards to your take about Katherine, I do agree with you about Stefan completely, and always put my foot down when it comes to rape and sexual assault. The only gripe I have is when people only call out Katherine for this, but always defend Damon and outright deny he ever raped and abused Caroline, when he literally used the exact same methods that Katherine did on Stefan. But somehow they think that because Caroline was the one who showed interest in Damon first, and that she gave consent only once that it makes her rape and abuse less valid than Stefan's.

Even if Caroline did show interest first and gave consent the first time, it doesn't mean she wasn't allowed to change her mind, after she saw Damon for what he was. And after that first time, she was compelled and couldn't give consent or have a say in the matter. Her autonomy was taken away just the same way Stefan's was. And the amount of victim blaming/shaming and slut shaming I see Caroline get for this, and the amount of excuses they make to defend Damon just because they find him hot and attractive and love the bad boy is just beyond revolting and disgusting to me.

As for everything else, like your points about how they should've shown evidence of that Katherine was living in fear of Klaus, or that Klaus had his own network of vampires to track her down, I agree with that. And this is one of many instances where I chalk it up to a writing flaw rather than a character flaw. Also an example of telling instead of showing, which was the writers biggest flaw on both shows.

I always see people applaud Elena for "being brave" and willing to sacrifice herself and choosing not to run, when the truth is, she shouldn't have been in that kind of a position to begin with. The idea people have that Katherine or Elena owed Klaus anything is absurd to me, because they didn't owe him anything. Neither one of them should've had to sacrifice their own lives and die just for his own selfish cause.

And as much as people blame Katherine for Klaus going after Elena, I really don't think it would've mattered either way. Klaus still would've found Elena, whether Katherine came to Mystic Falls or not, and just taken Elena himself.

TW: Rape/SA

I 100% agree with everything you said.

People are misogynistic when they talk about Katherine and Damon. I absolutely cannot stand season 1 Damon. He was meant to be a villain and was. There is no question that he raped Caroline. It doesn't matter that she was flirting with him or even that she initially wanted to be with him. As soon as she said no and changed her mind, it crosses over to rape. A person is allowed to change their mind at any point for any reason. She very clearly expressed it and Damon ignores it and continues to compel and use her for months.

Season 1 Caroline is why I will always have a soft spot for her, even when she made decisions I didn't like or annoyed me. What she went through at such a young age just broke my heart and I feel like the show never gave her the time to process it or even acknowledge it. Hell, even just having Stefan and Caroline be able to support each other and trauma bond.

I do not allow any slut shaming on my pages for anyone. I do see it a lot with Caroline. People often blanket it in a way that they are trying to defend another character, but it's still not appropriate. It's one thing to say that her having sex with a certain character was problematic, but it's completely different to just shame her for sex in general.

I do also agree that it was a writing flaw in how they portrayed Katherine's past. I indirectly said this in the previous post. I think it really has to do with the fact that they hadn't anticipated keeping the Mikaelsons on for so long. In TO they wanted to make the Mikaelsons look more sympathetic, which would have been harder to do if every flashback showed them mercilessly hunting down Katherine. Unfortunately, this made Katherine look cruel for how she used and abused people in order to stay "hidden." Again, I do headcanon that they had people looking for her and chasing her, but she still did things that weren't necessary and continued to do things she didn't need to even after the Mikaelsons were no longer chasing her.

I also agree that Katherine and Elena owed no one anything, especially not Klaus. I also hate when people blame one character for another's behavior. Katherine attempting to hand Elena over to Klaus, yes we can blame her. But we can't blame Katherine for the inevitability of Klaus seeking Elena out. If anything, like I said in the last post, Katherine could have sold out her ancestors earlier. She was the only one who knew she had a child and that more doppelgangers could have existed. I'm not sure when she discovered the lore of everything, but she did at some point and I like to believe she didn't immediately start trying to sell out her ancestor for her own freedom.

Thanks for the ask!

[zalrb]

If stelena were a couple during the stefan human storyline - when he wanted to leave so he could atone, so Carolines life could be better - how do you think Elena would have reacted?

Caroline was pissed and you said it felt like she didn't understand the man she was in love with.

Right because of the tone

When Stefan is human and decides that he wants to leave so he can atone, so her life can be better, Caroline is pissed, she’s all but I’ve stood by you through everything, this is bullshit

and again, her being indignant is valid and obviously she knows why he’s doing it, but the tone and Candice’s read on the whole thing and the “how dare you do this to me” quality of the conversation also feels like Caroline not understanding just who she’s engaged to.

Elena calls Stefan out in 1x10 where she’s like, don’t act as if you’re doing for this for me when I’m not the one who wants this

but she’s not berating him, she’s being vulnerable which then emphasizes his vulnerability, emphasizes what he’s wrestling with, emphasizes how deeply he feels things

So effectively, my point is that Elena’s reactions to Stefan’s actions amp up Stefan’s romance and compassion and intimacy and intensity because the show let’s it breathe, let’s us revel in it, let’s us really see it.

So, if it were Stelena, I just think the entire conversation would go differently.

One very real possibility is that he would inspire Elena to seek her own type of atonement because she has her own past and has done things she isn't proud of

she killed thousands of vampires by killing Kol

and the show never really has her reckon with any of that so they could have a conversation where he's like Elena, you have to live your life, you can't put it on pause for me and she'll have her minor monologue about her own need for redemption and her own need for soul-searching

I think it would also make sense that Elena would already know that that's what Stefan is going to do and her basically being Meredith when Derek chooses Addison

Another possibility is another iteration of the conversations we've already seen with Stelena. Like, think of their angsty "I need to go/I need to give you space/I need to leave you" conversations, they look like this

so this energy combined with Elena being like, Stefan I know who you are, I know every side of you

and I've never stopped loving you. I have always loved you.

How could you say that you're doing this for me after everything we've been through? If you feel like you need to go because it's something you need to do, I'm not going to stand in the way of your choice but don't say you're leaving for me. I've never wanted you to leave. This is something for you.

If you want them to have an argument or if you want Elena to be upset, it would be the same conversation except it would be, "So, you're just going to do what you always do? Leave. Try to make me hate you, tell yourself you're doing this for me so it's easier?"

"I am doing this for you. It's not fair to you. I'm figuring out who I am now, figuring out how to help people I've hurt--"

"And I'll be there for you like you've been there for me. Why wouldn't you think I'd want to be here, Stefan?"

It's all right there.

[ribbonsfallaway]

I need to rant.

I've started watching The Vampire Diaries and I'm sorry… Damon/Delena stans are annoying as fucking hell.

First by how much they bash Caroline for hating Damon and Delena. Caroline has every right to hate him/them. Damon abused her/raped her in season 1/used her as a blood bag to feed off of. He was horrible to her. Also when she first turned into a vampire he was dead set on killing her. Despite how traumatized she was about the whole situation, he was too selfish to try to understand. He saw her as a pesky thing that can't be controlled. He was also not at all apologetic when she called him out on it. He in fact was more annoyed. Never got an apology for how he treated her.

So yeah Caroline has every right to hate Damon.

Now perhaps she shouldn't have slept with Klaus with all the shit he did to her friends/her ex's mom. But they didn't actually end up together. She couldn't move past everything he did, and that's very valid and fair.

Next fans bash Stefan especially for the moment he was trying to scare Klaus into thinking he'd kill Elena by driving off the bridge her parents died on/she almost died on. Now don't get me wrong that scene was fucked up, and Stefan was awful in that moment. But I think fans fail to try and understand where Stefan was coming from in that moment. Klaus had a toll on him all summer, and he kept him at bay/ran off with him so he wouldn't find out about Elena being alive. But then he find out, and compelled him to turn off his humanity switch and attack Elena. He did everything in his power to not be compelled but really was left to no choie. So he wanted to one up Klaus/defeat him/beat him at his own game. He was tired of that control Klaus had on him. It was terrifying and awful, but I understand why he did it/where he was coming from.

You know what I don't understand? Damon snapping Jeremy's neck/killing him. He only got lucky because Jeremy had the ring on to protect him from death by supernatural. If not for that weing Jeremy would have been dead. And why? Because Elena rejected him, and he wanted to punish her for it. You know prior to that I acually felt sympathy for him. He was brutally rejected by Katherine just before, but that's not Elena's fault. That's not Jeremy's fault.

And you know I don't think they fully addressed that well enough? Damon gave a half-assed apology but then got pissy and compared Elena to Katherine when she said she can't be his friend after what happened. Because he felt "used". They tried to frame Elena in the wrong here, and that's wild as hell to me.

But fans will try to prop up Damon and be like "at least he didn't make her relive her trauma." No babes. You're right. He actually almost gave her more trauma by losing another family member shortly after her parents.

People will also say Stefan stalked Elena, etc. Hmmm who was it who was watching her sleep in her room and stroking her face? Oh right. Damon.

Despite all this I don't hate Damon. I know this is a vampire show, and therefore people are going to do horrible things. Blah, blah, blah. I love a good villain. But the writers and fans gloss past this shit and act like it didn't really happen/wasn't a big deal.

[iminaworldofpureimagination]

I watched seven seasons of vampire diaries well half of season 7 .. close enough.

. Caroline /Katherine Pierce were my fav girls. . caroline had a major glow up/ plus her hating DAMON is valid and its so shitty she had to apolgize for tlaking shit about him in s4 cause elena was sirebonded and it made her upset.. s1 elena would never..

Katherine was just fun.. and intriquing your left wondering does she care about anyoen but herself? i think she did like stefan.. and him giving her a happy dying dream was very sweet no wonder she want stefan.. He's a nice guy at his core.

Stefan/Tyler were my fav boys. I really liked Stefan when he embraced vampirism too he was fun.. and from what i saw of paul thats actually closer to pauls snarky personality ..

Stefan/elena now him stalking her creepy as shit.. butohwell

i think they were actually close to Girl can fix boy but done better than delena for the 3 seasons.. i think elena brought out the best in stefan while damon brought out the worse in elena.. plus what the heck was the sire bond about? thats not epic love that just weird. .

delena maybe could work if he hadn't kill her brother.. but .. sometimes.. i got sib vibes from them. whenhe wasn't beeing creepy anyway.. but he also never really respected her choices or her boundaries .

i felt the writers kept him grom growing too..

as much as i detested damon he got so many good JOKES.. I met a squirel he asked me my name today i told him it was joe that lie will haunt me forever. ..

adored him with Bonnie Ian/Kat chemistry was amazing its acutally interesting knowing he dated nina they broke up and boy did it show in the show cause the chemistry died down after that break up ..

least fav was ENZO im glad STEFAN killed him but im annoyed he was dating Bonnie cause when did he even talk to bonnie? plus he was just so annoying with how he kept trying to ruin stefans life ..

bonnie had the best chemistry with damon and the Heretics i was rather bummed they killed off the lesbian herietics. .. julie/caroline plec suck so those ships could never happened.. cause bonnie/one of the lesbian girls i forget her name but i rem thinking i dig this chemistry with them..

julie/caroline these two women were def living through delena the way they treated it as epic l explains why it was so bad

.. what interview with vampire got right was how to write toxic romantic relationships vd got it so wrong. it also helps louie was 33 a full ass adult man so its not creepy vamps flirting with teenagers.. i learned the guy playing matt was shitty to kat so thats a bummer cause i did enjoy matt/caroline for what it was.. and the alaric guy i heard him talk in intervies and he gives me the creeps.. but how he mentions the idea of dating bonnie.. i wonder if he pitched alaric dating caroline. either way whoever came up with that ship is a FREAK.. cause.. That's HER TEACHER/ Elenas sorta Father figure 40 year old 17 year old .. no thank you.

Stefan/caroline could have possibly worked but it felt like stelena 2.0 .. i did vibe with their joker/harley no humanity plot for a bit.. i

shipped matt/caroline/caroline tyler/ now klaus .. he like killstyler/ nearly killed caroline/ drowned tylers mom i dont think it was ic for her to have anything more than maybe Pity for the lonely hybrid.. and i dont mind them as friendish.. but man how tyler/caroline end is bogus and ooc ...

..id say after ep 3 of s4 elena is also ooc because of that damn sire bond..

the show is best ended at s4 ep 1 but i was a glutton for punishment i went on till s7..

[therealvinelle]

i've seen you answer a few questions about tvd so i thought i might ask, what are your thoughts on the main love triangle? and klaus/stefan?

As a caveat: I did not watch much further than the first few episodes of season 4, in fact I ragequit when one of the writers revealed we wouldn't be seeing Elijah on screen again until 4x20 at which point I thought, "Well I simply won't watch until 4x20 then".

And then 4x20 was a backdoor pilot to the spinoff The Originals and I simply watched that show instead.

All this to say, I was 100% a gung ho Vampire Diaries fan and you can tell by how closely I was following it, sadly the only TVD I know of would be the first three seasons. Same actually goes for The Originals, as I for reasons I don't remember wasn't able to access episodes post-season 3 so I wound up not knowing what happens after Hayley drives off with the entire family hibernating in her truck either.

Another disclaimer: it's been more than ten years since I watched this show and my memory may fail me at times.

With that:

The main love triangle

Having only seen the first three seasons, I think that Damon wishes quite badly he was a different man, and he is unable to take responsibility for his life and relationships being what they are. He would rather blame his failings on Stefan, and, whenever Stefan fails or falls short in some ways, it's immensely validating to Damon because who's the bad brother now?

His love for Katherine is not only about Katherine, but about being chosen by someone over Stefan. Because, as Damon will try to tell himself, just because she was sleeping with both of them and decided to turn them both, doesn't mean she didn't prefer Damon (after all, she had to compell Stefan, while Damon slept with her willingly. Victory for Damon!), and also- look, don't question Damon on this. It's fine and he's a well adjusted man, and once he has rescued his lady love from her tomb she'll tell him how much better he is than Stefan.

Enter Elena, who looks exactly like Katherine, is living in Mystic Falls just the same as Katherine, and who has drawn Stefan's interest.

Damon, eternally pulling Stefan's pigtails and being a goddamn creep, starts creeping on Elena, this does not work. Instead, however, he learns that Katherine faked her entombment, and has in fact been living her best life for the past 150 years. Worse, Damon and Stefan were never more than boytoys to her.

Cut to Elena, who is just as beautiful (in a very literal sense of the term), only she is kind, genuinely loves Stefan, the polar opposite of Katherine in every way.

Damon transfers his emotions from Doppelganger B to Doppelganger C.

Stefan, meanwhile, seems to... fall in with Elena, for lack of a better way to put it. They meet, he is confused about the resemblance to Katherine for long enough to get to know her, by which time he's into it, and Elena sees a very handsome and pleasant man who is easy to fall for.

The trouble with Stefan is I don't really have a grip on his character, he is... there, for three seasons, and he has his character moments and his speeches, I can tell you things about his personality except I can't.

He is one of those people you can know for years but never actually know who, having killed his father and become the Ripper for so many years, seems to be that he is running away from himself. That is the only way I can interpret his strange nothingness, as well as bizarre decisions like coming to live with his nephew Zach and attend high school.

I think Stefan wants to surround himself with people, form relationships with them, and through that find a sense of identity that he can enjoy. Which is where loving Elena comes in, as she is kind, generous, mature, vulnerable, and fun- the type of person you can lose yourself in, and have those simple moments of happiness Florence Welch sings about.

In other words, while my real ship here is Elejah, Stelena trumps Delena any day.

Klaus and Stefan

Klaus is a deeply sad person who is only interested in dating two people, and they are his sister Rebekah and his brother Elijah. At the time he met Stefan Elijah wasn't around, so Stefan became replacement Elijah.

(The proof of the Elijah projection lies in the fact that Klaus was fine with Stefan sleeping with Rebekah. He is historically not fine with outsiders doing this, you have to be family for Klaus to accept these things.)

"Look, Elijah," Klaus would imagine himself saying to Elijah, "I have a new brother now and he is hotter, cooler, and not a total bore like you! Stefan loves me more anyway," and then Elijah would sit and cry and give Klaus so much attention and it would be great.

As for Stefan, I think he just liked partying.

They probably did fuck, but Klaus is too embarrassing for Stefan to ever admit as much.

[jade-of-mourning]

okay okay so

a) your art is beautiful and obsession worthy and I love it

b) you still do requests right? can you pretty please do Stefan and Jesper in that one pose where Jes is leaning over the dock bit to talk to Stef, who may or may not be a siren??? pretty please???

i want u guys to know that i literally feed off of your validation and even though i don't really respond very much bc idk how to i am literally vibrating in my seat and squishing an innocent shark to death every time anything ever so <333 tysmm ily

(also ignore the embarrasing part where i had to dm you to ask what That Pose is like the uncultured loser i am </3)

[klonnieshippersclub]

Do you think Bonnie would want Klaus to fix his relationship with Finn if Finn was alive? I’m a Finn supporter bc damn I’d be pissed too 😂

I'm not sure to be honest. I don't think Klaus building a relationship with Finn would be a priority of Bonnie's, but I think Bonnie would want them to be civil. People draw a lot of comparisons between Finn and Bonnie. I personally disagree with people who feel that way. I think their attitudes on vampirism and life are very different.

Bonnie doesn't like people who hurt people. The vast majority of the people causing harm to innocent people in TVD are vampires. She does not inherently have an issue with vampirism. I think people who believe that are disregarding her initial friendship with Stefan. He has a very dark side but he tries and is capable of goodness. That's what Bonnie appreciates and she wanted the same for Caroline when she turned after killing Carter. Becoming a vampire changes you (look at Vicki!). All Bonnie wants for vampires is that they try. That's why her friendship with Damon in season 6 and her seeing good in him depends on his guilt for hurting Gail. Finn just wants to exterminate vampires and hates himself. Both of their feelings are valid in some ways but they have very different values.

Finn doesn't have any concept of family or friendship. The only bond we see him have in adulthood is Sage. From what we see of her and her brief mentorship of Damon, she also enjoys being a vampire. What happens when she doesn't measure up to the woman he knew back when she was human? Does he kick her off her pedestal? How conditional is his love? Bonnie's issue is with those who hurt people without remorse for selfish reasons which isn't exclusive to vampires (ex: Kai, Shane). Being a good friend and relationship building is essential to who Bonnie is as a character. Finn is exceptionally distant and almost incapable of making connections, partially due to his emotionally incestuous relationship with his mother. His closest sibling relationship is based on a memory of who Freya was as a child. I can't imagine Bonnie being able to encourage Klaus fixing things with Finn when Finn needs to address his own issues with the rest of their family too. Bonnie can't be the whole Mikaelson family's therapist.

[alltid-og-for-evig]

Previously on: Making my sister watch Tvd and tO

(I was doing this on Twitter but I hate it there lol)

(Some misc thoughts before I started recording her journey:

In a tragic turn of events my sister does not, so far, like the Originals, which is both totally fine and the worst thing to ever happen 😔

My sister is NOT buying the Klamille romance at this point and I'm SO curious if she'll ever change her mind

She says they were kind of cute and building to something but then she became his therapist and now she doesn't get it at all. Mostly she doesn't get why Cami is even here right now.

She's still firmly with Klaroline. No one in tO has caught her eye for a love interest with Klaus - though she can understand klayley in concept, she just doesn't think Klaus cares about her rn (which is valid, they have *very* few scenes in s1)

We've had a long chat about it and my sister has concluded that Cami should have been a witch (or some other supernatural creature but we settled on witch)

My sister has pointed out that Jackson sounds kind of like Dean 90% of the time he speaks and now I can't unhear it or stop laughing every time he talks 😂

In a shocking turn of events, my sister is in love with Klaus/Genevieve

Her main thing is that there's too big of a power imbalance with him and Cami, but Genevieve is a witch that can stand up to him and put him in his place. (Its also why she's alright with klayley in concept, they just haven't had any real bonding moments yet)

My sister brought up a good point tonight watching the s1 Originals finale, which is - was Hayley sired to Hope? If not, is it because she wasn't grateful for being "freed" from turning, or something else? WAS she sired and just broke the bond off screen?

My sister trying to remember what happened in what she watched of tO: "oh yeah, and he's got Elijah, who we care about, I guess."

In tvd news, after listening to me rave about steroline for four seasons straight, my sister finally, in season five, "sees the ship", but she's still pretty convinced the writers won't actually go there 😆)

Tvd s6

She hates Alaric being brought back to life solely because Damon wasn't, which means she's already primed to get on the Alaric hate train 😈

She hates everyone so far bc they've all given up on finding Damon (he's her favorite character). I'm JAZZED for her to find out Enzo's been working all summer to find out what happened to him (& yells at Stefan for giving up). I can convince her of denzo supremacy I KNOW it 😌

[I believe her exact words recently were "you need to be more like Enzo to deserve Damon" (which I said, "you need to BE Enzo to deserve Damon")]

Enzo and Caroline are now her favorite people, as they're the only ones who care about finding Damon and Bonnie

"Why won't they just let this happen??" - my sister about steroline rn

"Hopefully Bonnie comes back this episode" oh, my sweet hopeful sister, she won't come back for EIGHT FUCKING MORE EPISODES 😭😫😡😭

Seems like she's *really* off the delena train, and she's now fully down for Damon and Bonnie, which is a twist I didn't see coming 😳

"Can we just forget about Elena?" Oh she's gonna be THRILLED at how this season ends 😂

She really hates this cancer storyline because she says it makes no sense and you know what? She's right

Forgot to say she was really disappointed they didn't do a whole episode dedicated to Kai and Luke fighting in some mental plane while they merged, which yeah, and its gonna be even MORE disappointing when they don't do that for Josie and Lizzie either 😭

She's thinking about which tvd/to characters could have kids on Legacies and I wonder if she'll be disappointed to find out there's only three "legacy" characters 🤔 (She says if they don't have a Bonnie descendent on Legacies what are they even doing?)

"Its okay, Enzo will take care of his new momma." Oh its SO hard not to make a comment about the future "romance" with him and her..... 😆

She's chill with Elena being in a coma but she thinks the obvious solution would be to make Bonnie a vamp, she dies, then drinks the cure out of Elena

Since "forced pregnancy vampire Caroline" isn't something anyone would naturally think, my sister is SO confused who the siblings she's heard me talk about in Legacies are because she was *convinced* they had to be Jo and Ric's kids 😂

TO s2

I appreciate my sister's dedication to calling Oliver and Jackson, Sam and Dean 😆

She's reached acceptance with Cami, as she's reasoned her and Klaus can have their moment cause one day she'll die, but Hayley's immortal now so he can be "true" endgame with her post canon 😌

Hilarious that my sister just hates the OG actor for Kol. Like apropos of nothing she thinks even that guy's face is annoying. She massively prefers the new guy 😆

She's still not a Klamille fan and at this point, I don't think she ever will be 😔 Ah well, I can get her on the klayley endgame train I'm sure 😌

Tvd s7

She is instantly against Caroline and Ric being engaged. She's right in this.

Her fave is Damon -> says Damon and Klaus are the same -> Lizzie is (more toned down) similar to both of them. . .this is how we get her fave character being Lizzie 👀🕯

[chenfordswopez]

Talk to us about why you love stelena and what do you see as their main similarities and most important personality differences?!

Ooh this will be fun!

For starters, they have such magical chemistry. Just impeccable. Even if I didn’t ship them, I’d respect them for their chemistry alone.

And they just have a beautiful story, with two dead souls bringing one another back to life. Tho Stefan stalking Elena, even for valid motives, is weird to me.

I love that they have common values and how they bring out the best in one another. It’s clear they were best as individuals when they were together (to me at least).

Also I just love how they fight for one another and no matter, they just can’t give up on each other no matter what.

As for their similarities, @zalrb made a really good post talking about their similarities as vampires here. And both their parents died and for a while they felt dead inside, both of them feel very deeply ( @whitewolfofwinterfell mentioned this here) both are compassionate and forgive people who hurt them, and are flawed yet 'good' people (Stefan can be a little...tho).

Their differences, to me, are that Elena is less 'broody' than Stefan lmaoo. Ans she's a little more willing to go out and have fun, and is more extroverted than Stefan.

And I think that's it.

[ideahat-universe]

Black Nerd Comedy

Before we get started lets establish terms. What is a nerd? Let me bring you an old image that I imagine few have read.

This is my reference for the difference between Geeks, Nerds, and Dorks and already it feels like I've talked about this subject several times before but for the sake of the conversation. Dorks indeed have nothing in common with Nerds and Geeks other than being on the autistic spectrum basic social ineptitude BUT to add to that. Dorks seek social validation and the path of least resistance is oddly enough through the pastimes of geeks and nerds.

After all the casuals to any given subject matter won't know anything and just a little bit of reading, watching, and listening to expert information gives you an edge over casuals and you can pass yourself off as an expert. the appearance of an expert grants you prestige, but with prestige actual experts will test you on your knowledge and that's were gate keeping comes in.

Think about it this way.

Ed Edd and Eddy are all labeled as dorks but in reality only one of them applies to this archetype.

Ed is a Geek. He has an obsessive understanding of B movies and other forms of fiction and science fiction. When he isn't messing with the Eds he watches TV. The second he wears a costume he has 100% accurate cosplay/roleplay of that character.

That's geek hours all day.

Edd is a Nerd. Almost all of his knowledge is practical and has a comprehensive understanding of all multiple aspects of STEM. It's applied in a absurd way but he's also a teenage boy hanging out with his friends. Worst case scenario is that Edd shares the same fate as Dilbert as an Autistic Savant someone who has The Knack.

Eddy, is just a con artist, his only skill is in occasionally passing his persuasion checks. Ed has to do all the heavy lifting and Double D does all the logistics.

Eddy is the dork.

That's all well and good, but aren't we talking about Black Nerds?

ARE WE?

In all time on earth, having met and seen all kinds of people in the black community, I have never met a single black person that perfectly fit the media archetype of the Black Nerd.

By that I don't mean that Steve Urkel doesn't exist and that there are no savants in our demographic. No, what I'm saying is the Black Community applies a ton of social pressure on everybody that participates in it.

Anyone truly smart that also wants to have friends will have to jump through those hoops in one way or another. The end result is Stefan Urquelle. Most "nerdy" blacks socially blend in but are highly intelligent and very well read.

Here's the thing about the social ineptitude. Just because it comes naturally to everyone else doesn't mean it can't be learned, it can be taught. I should know. I had to learn it. I spent years observing how people interact and everything.

I gained a lot of power from choosing my words wisely and letting actions speak for themselves.

Even though we love Steve Urkel and various other silly black Nerd characters, they are an absolute work of fiction.

Most of the time. That overlap with Geeks and Nerds does allow for a semi accurate depiction of Black Geeks who still undergo some level of social adaptation but lot of their media consumption is either done through the lenses of their black identity or a substitution for it.

That phenomenon of Japanese characters like Goku or Naruto or Superheroes like Superman and Spiderman that get black coded is the result of black geeks merging their black community socialization with media that was created well outside of their community.

Confuses the hell out of Dorks people who don't understand how two different cultures can exchange ideas and find harmony through expression.

That's why we get so many shows and forms of media where a white character is made literally black or some other ethnicity. It's because Dorks are socially inept and assume you can only like something that is intentionally coded for you to consume.

A lot of that stuff flops because it was fine as is. No one has to make Goku Black or Hispanic to appeal to those demographics. People like Goku because he's Goku.

Basically, what I'm saying is, we need more Black Geeks in media. I'm just kidding! Having Geeks or Nerds in a show requires actually understanding the quirks and characteristics of people on the spectrum and we have not yet consistently escaped the caricature phase yet.

All this talk about socialization and I keep forgetting that people on the spectrum have been living their lives on the internet more than in public. Instead of talented and clever black minds we could end up with people like Puppychan. Well now I've just made myself sad...

[andreal831]

I got a lot of edits on my fyp prior to watching any TVDU show so I knew a solid amount of the plot lines prior to watching either show, which also means I knew what characters were normalized to be hated/loved. I started these shows and expected to absolutely despise Matt, Elena, Tyler, and Cami. None of them are my favorite, but I never understood the hate for any of them whatsoever.

The Matt hate just makes no sense, I’m convinced people just want to “fit in” and hate the person that everyone else hates. You pretty much explained everything I would say for him so I’ll hold back a bit here. And yeah, I’m tired of people pretending he’s not attractive cause there is not a single actor on this show that doesn’t look good.

Everyone calls Elena a crybaby, but if they had lost the amount of people that she had before they’re even 20 years old, I guarantee you they’d be crying even more than she did. And calling her selfish? She very rarely ever put herself over anyone. There’s also the argument that she ‘played Stefan’ which in my opinion is just straight out wrong, it’s not like she was pretending to be in love with him while she was with him, but if you hate her for that, you’d have to hate like half the show. I swear everyone dated everyone within that friend group, why do people only hate on her for it? Also this has nothing to do with my point, but why does everyone hate on her NH era? I liked it, it gave her character something different.

Everyone hates on Tyler for one of two reasons. One being that he tried to SA Vicki in season 1, which you would think is a valid excuse, but then they go onto say Klaus, Damon, and/or Katherine is their favorite character (and I’m saying this as my Damon and Klaus are both in my top 5 TVDU characters). The second reason would be something along the lines of Tyler wanting to get revenge on Klaus. I do think he went too far with trying to kill Hayley/hope, but aside from that, he had every right to get revenge on Klaus. He killed his mom and practically ruined his life, including messing with his relationship with Caroline. I actually love Forewood, but I don’t think they could’ve been endgame after that. So I don’t get why people hate on him for leaving Caroline, because I feel like continuing to lead her on when his head is nowhere near the right space would’ve been worse.

Then there’s cami, which is honestly the most confusing one out of all to me. I completely understand her not being your favorite, especially if you’re into more of the anti heroes or villains (like me), but I do not understand why people just absolutely despise her. She plays a major part in the originals, especially early on, as she is the only person Klaus seems to care about listening to whatsoever. He isn’t paying Hayley any sort of attention, and he lied to/betrayed Elijah left and right in season 1. She’s also never betrayed anyone that she considers to be friends or family. The biggest reason she’s hated on is because she ‘stole Klaus from Caroline.” 1. I genuinely just do not get what people see in klaroline. I don’t absolutely despise them, but I do not like them either. Klaus hurt her multiple times (which, by the way, why do people act like Klaus is a hero for saving Caroline from a bite he caused…?) and Caroline was manipulating him every chance she got. I totally understand the whole ‘enemies to lovers’ trope, considering I like delena, but I just do not get it here. 2. How did anyone see that Klaus (and the originals) was getting his own show, and still expect klaroline to work out? 95% of interactions they had post TO being made was complete fan service. It would’ve been WAY too difficult to do a long distance thing with two different shows, especially when neither of them were (im so gonna get hated for this) never in love with each other, they weren’t even in a relationship. Oh and back to the forewood thing real quick, Tyler had every right to be pissed at Caroline for sleeping with Klaus.

Well that turned into a klaroline bashing towards the end. For the record my top 5 characters are Damon, Elijah, kol, hayley, and Klaus in that order and there really aren’t any ships (canonical ships anyway) that I absolutely hate so.

Side note, thank you for being able to hold characters accountable. I like characters as villains/anti heroes because they are a villain/anti hero, I will never understand why people try to defend their favorite character and make them seem like a hero. Like the character for their character, don’t make them into something completely different. If you wanna debate anything further (or something entirely different) let me know, I enjoy debating about shows, I just typically can’t find anyone in this fandom (or any fandom for that matter) that is able to have an actual debate without someone starting to scream over an opinion lmao.

There really isn’t a question here I just kinda felt like ranting after reading your post about Matt Donovan so here it is. Reply to this as you please!

I was fortunate enough to watch the shows before I got into the fandom so I didn't get spoilers (at least for TVD), but more importantly, I didn't have anyone to influence me on which characters to like or not. Which was why I was so surprised when I joined the fandom and saw so much hatred. But I do think some people just "bandwagon" hate characters. Especially Matt. Because anytime I ask people why, they can't even truly express why they *hate* him.

Elena was never my favorite character but I loved early seasons of Elena. I even enjoyed her NH era. I didn't like her sire bond era much. But she definitely gets too much hate. Even at times when I think she can be selfish, she's still miles better than the men the fandom loves.

I've actually posted about Tyler before, you can find that here. Sure, he's done questionable/problematic things, but who hasn't? The hate he gets is ridiculous, especially because it always comes from Damon or Klaus stans. I actually like Caroline and adored Forewood, but I hated how she handled the breakdown of their relationship. I blame the writers. They continuously tanked Caroline's character in order to get views with klaroline.

I love Cami and she is the one character that I truly believe has done no wrong. Cami was truly a turning point for Klaus. Cami was not only an important person for Klaus but for the entire Mikaelson family and the entirety of New Orleans. I also wrote about that recently. But yes, 100% of the hate she gets is because of Klaroline stans. I used to be indifferent to Klaroline. Like I don't like them because they are toxic and I would never ship them, and there are plenty of ships I feel this way about, but the fandom has made me actively dislike them. Klaroline had no possible way of working out and was just lust, but people build them up in their head and then attacked and harassed a real life person because of their delusions.

I'm glad you found my post and enjoyed it! I love finding people that want to engage and have actual discussions about the fandom. Too many people get so set in their views and can't discuss the characters without getting angry. I completely agree. We can all love the characters but 99% of the characters in this show are problematic to say the least. We can love them and still acknowledge this. I love to analyze the morality of the show because it is interesting as we can't use are real life standards to do so. I obviously love over analyzing everything about the show as I spend so much time doing so.

Feel free to ask anything or reach out!

[zalrb]

I know Steroline is just a flop but it still bother's me that they make Stefan ooc with how he gave Caroline a shitty snow globe for Secret Santa and having Damon TELL him about Caroline like Stefan wouldn't know and DAMON would? And the lame ass proposal. Stefan Salvatore? Hopeless romantic, compassionate, sentimental, intimate, intense Stefan Salvatore? Okay guys. Like, I MISSED Stefan in the later seasons so much because he was mostly a shell of himself with a few glimmers of og Stefan.

OK. I'm of two minds about this.

When I was watching it in real time, I agreed with you. There are a lot of rants about how OOC I found Stefan

But thinking about it, looking at the whole chessboard, I don't think that's actually true. There are a lot of issues with Steroline but Stefan not being Stefan isn't one of them.

There are certain things definitely that I can't abide like Damon explaining Caroline to Stefan. Or the snow globe because at that point in time, Stefan would've been with Elena, but, I also have to say, Steroline isn't Stelena and that contextualizes a lot, because I keep saying it, Stefan and Elena were built as a pair and that allows for certain traits to shine.

So, for instance, Stefan being on the run for three years and writing Caroline a letter every day is technically speaking being romantic and sentimental and intense but

a) it's not believable because there are so many issues in that relationship where neither Stefan nor Caroline communicate with each other, they both communicate more with Valerie than one another and Caroline communicated more with Alaric than with Stefan (see masterlist)

b) Paul and Candice didn't have the romantic chemistry needed

c) Caroline sends the letters back.

She doesn't even read them and then complains about him abandoning her despite the fact that he kept reaching out to her

and that's a perfectly valid response but that wouldn't have been Stelena. Stefan calls Elena and doesn't say a word but she knows it's him

and the very next episode she's got on her inappropriate-for-hiking shorts and searches for him in the woods, coming face to face with werewolves for him

which emphasizes how much an intimate gesture calling her was.

And granted, Caroline has kids so she can't do that, she can't up and go, she has different priorities but there isn't that implicit understanding between them where Caroline would understand why Stefan would leave in the first place or if she does understand, it's not enough, which means sending the letters is really just a futile attempt at something rather than an expression of intimacy and longing.

The show tries to give that understanding to them in the series finale

but I don't know, that's kind of overshadowed to me by the fact that Stefan's last goodbye before leaving the world is to Elena and it's more intimate than his goodbye to Caroline

Stefan sells his soul for the twins

and I get what they were trying to do with Caroline's response like "no, no, no you can't leave me, we're starting a life, and I can't lose you, I can't lose that"

but Caroline's indignation doesn't play very well and I'll get to what I mean later.

Stefan goes into the tomb for Jeremy

and Elena races to run in after him that Damon has to slam her against a wall

and she literally tries to fight him so she can go into the tomb

that raises the stakes of what Stefan has done to protect an innocent who happens to be her brother.

When Stefan is human and decides that he wants to leave so he can atone, so her life can be better, Caroline is pissed, she's all but I've stood by you through everything, this is bullshit

and again, her being indignant is valid and obviously she knows why he's doing it, but the tone and Candice's read on the whole thing and the "how dare you do this to me" quality of the conversation also feels like Caroline not understanding just who she's engaged to.

Elena calls Stefan out in 1x10 where she's like, don't act as if you're doing for this for me when I'm not the one who wants this

but she's not berating him, she's being vulnerable which then emphasizes his vulnerability, emphasizes what he's wrestling with, emphasizes how deeply he feels things

So effectively, my point is that Elena's reactions to Stefan's actions amp up Stefan's romance and compassion and intimacy and intensity because the show let's it breathe, let's us revel in it, let's us really see it.

It also helps that Stelena actually had chemistry so when they have their intimate moments it isn't awkward and the romance and the intimacy and the intensity come out the way they're meant to. Like, 7x05 is supposed to show that Stefan knows Caroline so well but they don't feel natural that I don't believe the scene

this, though I believe

and it also helps that SE's relationship wasn't riddled with the same amount of fundamental problems that SC's was -- again see the masterlist.

[purplesigebert]

Hello! This is your autumn exchange gifter! So, I've been thinking about your request and am very excited. I've never tried to think of a different meeting or how canon would change if Caroline hadn't been in Mystic Falls at all, so it's been a fun thought experiment.

First, do you have any other characters you especially love or hate? Do you have any hard pass themes or content I should stay away from? Any bits from the shows you'd especially like me to try to fold in or ignore completely?

Second, are you married to the exact scenario you laid out in your request? I do have a very vague alternate idea for Caroline as a vampire hunter, but it's a little weird and definitely in its infant stages. But I also have some thoughts about Bill (possibly with Steven and his daughter) being the one to stay in MF as sheriff and the reasons why Liz and Caroline would have had to go.

Third, if you had to choose a setting, would you prefer MF or New Orleans or Salem, MA or somewhere else entirely? New Orleans would end up including some of the same characters as The Originals, but I probably wouldn't write the baby plot in, unless you really want it there. Salem would end up being more spooky season themed and MF would probably be more of a family thing involving Bill's death.

Fourth, do you still want Caroline to be a vampire? I don't usually write her as a normal human, because I'm here for the supernatural stuff, but I can give it a shot if you're interested in that. There's the hunter thing, but do you have objections to her being a witch instead? Some other kind of supernatural creature? It's not what I'm leaning towards, but if that's something you would enjoy, I won't try to keep it strictly vampire Caroline if I think of something else.

Fifth, what level of Klaus do you like? S2 magnificent bastard Klaus or S3/4 slightly relaxed Klaus or TO unhinged mess Klaus?

This is a lot of questions. Please feel free to take your time and/or not answer all of them! Totally valid to not have strong feelings about any of this.

Omg hi! First off, thank you so much for writing this note to me! I'm speechless!!

So, to answer in order:

First, I'm not a fan of Damon - if S1's events happened as canon. If not then I'm a fan. Stefan is great. I love love Katherine and Bonnie. Elena was great in her S1-S3 characterization. I don't have any problems with anyone else. Not a fan of the miracle babies storylines.

Second, I'm not completely fixed on my request. I've never considered a MF where Bill was Sherriff, how would that change canon? Damon and Bill already didn't get along and they were in the same room maybe two times? I don't see Bill changing his whole worldview the way that Liz did. If Liz and Caroline left MF, where would they end up?

Third, Oh this is tough one, Caroline coming back to MF for Bill's funeral is one of my fav stories to read! How old is she? Is it still canon time-line and have the S3 storylines been happening? I'll leave that up to you!

Fourth, I don't tend to read Caroline as any other creature (a few where she is a werewolf/hybrid but those are outliers), so Vampire!Caroline is good to go! I'm not too pick, if we see her turn in the story or not.

Fifth, S2/beginning of S3 is peak Klaus, he's just a little shit and he knows it lol.

Sixth, YOU ARE AWESOME! Seriously thank you so much for sending me this. You rock.

[timetravellingshinigami]

Describe vlads personality and who is now vs who he was as a ruler and how his demise changed him in your opinion. Also what draws you to him? Thanks sm!!

OOO I love this!

It's interesting to think about personality change for vampires because canonically they are set in their ways.

We always see the Volturi as bad guys but really the Romanians were just as bad. They did not hide who they were and honestly valid, but they were also quite cruel and loved to toy with the humans. Their actions most definitely decimated many villages.

Considering that Vlad already was the leader of a four member coven before joining Stefan means that he had charisma and ability to inspire people to join him even more than Aro.

It's said that vampires couldn't work together but as can be seen from the Romanian coven which consisted of 12 founders and even more guards and ruled for 1000 years it shows that vampires can definitely co exist maybe not as peacefully as the Cullens.

But unlike the cullens who bonded on love and family, the Romanians from what we know of them bonded over the shared love of power and control. I'm even sure the mates weren't mates in the loving sense but more like political alliances.

I think there's a reason why even other vampires get creeped out by the Romanians. Probably because the power they held long time ago which the Volturi without Chelsea couldn't match. But also, I think it's the doubt of what would the Romanians do if the Volturi were defeated. Would they decide to rule again and go back to the old ways or will Carlisle be able to speak them out of it lol.

Honestly I would love to believe that Personality wise they have changed. Just a little less cruel. Meeting Carlisle and the cullens make them rethink much of who they were.

Aro was right about his fear of human weapons. And the Romanians would be wise to listen to that one. Stefan especially despite being a founder of the coven and leading battles... doesn't seem much enthusiastic about battling the Volturi. He should have been ready to take any chance but even said "maybe next time..."

Maybe the thirst for battle dulls some after so many centuries. Vladimir seems like the "let's kick as right now"...but he's still cautious. Losing your entire coven will do that to a person set in their ways or not.

I think I love Vlad a lot is because of his back story. And especially the Coven he lead. And I like to imagine what his future holds. And how he can change.

Gonna be real I like reading the Vladimir x Leah story so that got me thinking a lot 😅😅😅

His story is like what if Aro and Caius were the only ones alive after the Volturi are decimated in the future and they wander alone. That's mind boggling to think about because it could very much happen. I'm not sure if anyone has written something like that about the Volturi yet.

Thanks for the ask btw ❤️ I hope this is what you wanted to know.