#proshippers are invalid

[technicallydelightfulpenguin]

From what i've noticed, Proshippers are obsessed with criticism or criticism of why such a relationship is problematic, they say they are harassed, even though they have the same habit of harassing those who criticize them.

[valentinesworld4ever]

Oh you're STUPID stupid

And your pathetic pathetic, not even got the balls to not say this anonymously, omg go cry about it to someone that CARESSS

[the-darling-crusader]

whatever I just read makes me wanna vomnit

what the fuck is wrong with people no fucking way they just said (TW)

groomed people will think it's normal. I was groomed and fuck if I think it's normal I think it's gross. what the fuck is wrong with people? "omg they go by he/it/they and they're a proshipper and they think grooming is fine cause groomed people won't care" WHAT THE F U C K is going on in your brain to make u think thats okay my brother?

[enemywasp]

Can we all take a moment to appreciate this absolute gem from ponytown. A group had been talking shit about proshippers for ages and this absolute icon spoke up

[hikakaomybeloveds]

*VENT POST*

cw for mentions of cocsa, grooming, and intrusive thoughts (specifically surrounding csa)

note: i am talking about my own incredibly personal trauma here. please do not speculate on what may have happened to me outside of what i say here, and please do not ask invasive questions. thank you

okay. i need to vent rn.

i'm so FUCKING SICK of antis.

i'm so sick of them and their stupid fucking rhetoric around fiction.

i am a survivor of cocsa. i lost my early teenage years to grooming due to the vulnerability caused by that sexual assault. i am proship and a shotacon who ships both shota/shota and non-shota/shota. THEY ARE COPING MECHANISMS. shipping yuu and tsubaki has genuinely *made me feel better and less gross* about being in a relationship with a 17-year-old when i was 12 because i was being groomed. i don't know why. i can't explain it. i just know it helps.

i also have HORRIFIC intrusive thoughts that often involve graphic imagery of me committing csa, specifically against my own siblings. don't feel this needs to be said, as it's kind of in the name, but these thoughts bring me immense distress.

antis will say, with their full chest, that i'm a groomer and pedophile and need to be kept away from children because of the things i ship and the kinds of characters i am attracted to. they will tell me i should not be able to see my own siblings because i'm going to harm them. this is DEEPLY triggering.

i live in fear that one day i will hurt a child. i don't want to. i know that. but i've had intrusive thoughts about it regularly *since the age of 11*. i am so scared that one day i will act on those thoughts. and regularly seeing people call me a child abuser for the way i cope with my own trauma is absolutely not making that any better.

genuinely fuck antis and their moralizing bullshit about the ways fiction affect reality. try this on for size: you are actively triggering a childhood sexual assault and grooming survivor when you call shotacons or proshippers in general pedophiles.

fuck you.

[ratunderneathahat]

so annoying when someone corrects your spelling on a post instead of making an actual fucking argument against you

[heartshapedcreaturefromcriptoon]

some idiot tenderqueer on this website with of course no visible age in bio: *makes an entire blog revolving around Pinky and Pepper Forever by Eddy Atoms*

the idiot tenderqueers "basic dni" (which is of course a separate thing from just their "regular dni" where they tell 'maga' not to follow bc how could u not kno that?): proshipper, age play, nsfw...

Me: ... uh... Sweetie ..... Do you not understand the contents of the punk zine you're revolving your entire personality around? Do you know that Eddy Atom's also made an entire digital snuff themed zine revolving around the popular plush character Lamb Chop simply entitled 'LambChop' that you can purchase from his gumroad or whatever for like 5 dollars? And if 'Pinky and Pepper Forever' does not already qualify as at least some Filthy NSFW proship shit to you then can you please explain to me how the LAMB CHOP snuff themed digital zine that you can buy for 5 dollars off Atom's website in which an adult human fucks and dismembers Lamb Chop's little plushy body, or turns another human into a LAMBCHOP plushy or something and then probably fucks the remnants too... Isn't also just objectively some completely "NSFW" Age Play shit that only a "Proshipper" could come up with that just fucks with and complexly violates the entire ethos of your bullshit "dni criteria"?

Oh yeah it just got released like, you can buy a physical copy right the fuck now RIGHT HERE.

Eddy Atom's "Fans": No KINK/BDSM, NO NSFW, NO AGE PLAY/LITTLE SPACE SHIT, DEFINITELY NO HAZBIN HOTEL!! UWU

Eddy Atom's: *writes and publishes fur fag dog girl BDSM erotica fanfic based on mediocre furry coded children's toyline, writes and publishes an entire LambChop Plushy Snuff Erotica Zine "Guaranteed to Shock and Excite you! Comes with 'precious Little sticker!' ;)", has to explicitly instruct his own fanbase to shut the fuck up and stop harassing him after making a harmless joke on a whim comparing his own work to that of Viv Medrano's no more than just once*

Like seriously I don't know if this dude even has like a genuine fanbase? Like I was fucking introduced to Pinky and Pepper in like my mid 20's through a younger "anti" and the majority of y'all I've seen online are tenderqueer "antis" so like the majority of you are like these barely legal puritanical posers who shouldn't even be engaging with this man's shit ...Like I've already been over why y'all are so obnoxiously insufferable and annoying Like That but I just feel bad for Eddy at this point ... Like, the sheer amount of inexplicably Severe Cognitive Dissonance occurring here between a Fanbase and it's Artist is even worse than that of Viv Medrano's... ASDFGHJKL:!!!!

[reign-life]

Did I just see a fucking proshipper try to claim that their movement is made up of a lot of minors?? Like they were in 2016, a lot of people on tumblr were probably minors back then, but idiots are still agreeing now and I know the userbase has aged a lot

[theblackdog552]

Antis when youre young: youre being groomed

Antis when youre old: youre a pedophile

Antis when youre a woman: you’re encouraging abuse

Antis when youre a man: youre a misogynist

Antis when youre trans: youre a disgrace to trans people

Antis when youre not in therapy: get therapt

Antis when youre in therapy: your therapist isnt licensed

Antis when youre happy: you deserve to kys

Antis when youre sad: you deserve it

Antis when youre healthy: get help

Antis when youre recovering: go through it again

Antis when you ship incest: kill yourself

Antis when you dont ship incest: kill yourself

Antis when you hate problematic ships: how can you associate with pedophiles

Antis when youre not in a proship space: get out of here

Antis when you are in a proship space: get out of here

I can and will add more. You cant win as a proshipper. no matter what you say, you will always be invalid to antis. Do whatever makes you happy, dont listen to haters 🫶

[valentinesworld4ever]

I wish knife makers would understand the fact that creation does affect reality, you have no excuse for making knives, you are actively making weapons, you are actively putting people who are in vulnerable states like you are in danger of being stabbed, if you were really victims of stabbing or murder you wouldn't actively push out products that is gonna hurt more people, you are disgusting and you should feel that way

Knives (unless they're fighting knives like swords n shit) are different because their main purpose isn't to hurt someone, their main purpose is to COOK, a knife manufacturer didn't have anything to do with what they buyer decided to do with the knife, proshippers main purpose is to sexualize kids, fetishize incest, pedophilia ect, a knife can be used to hurt, they weren't made for it, all of the posts proshippers made are actively meant to be watched by other kids, in which affects real life people

[pro-sipper]

I understand that we should just block content we don't wanna see, but I still think things like proships or ships that are wrong and illegal in irl should be kept private. Because that is exposing kids to the romantization of abuse, incest, and pedophilia. This content may expose them to predators, which could cause them harmful trauma, the type that people claim to use proshipping for. They may think that a person older than them liking a kid is ok, even though the adult has bad intentions. We know that they are fictional characters, but they represent real people and can still affect kids. And if this isn't supposed to affect them irl, why do so many groomers show proship media and illegal art to grow kids?

Don't want to start anything just curious

I think the short version of the argument is basically "the internet shouldn't have to be a 100% sanitized and safe space for children". But getting further into it...

"but I still think things like proships or ships that are wrong and illegal in irl should be kept private."

It's not worth mentioning now but "proships" aren't a thing. Proship doesn't stand for problematic ship, it's not an adjective.

My question is why this line of thinking only applies to ships? Murder and cannibalism are also illegal, but no one's going around saying you should keep your love of horror to yourself, or only watch R rated movies in the privacy of your own home.

"Because that is exposing kids to the romantization of abuse, incest, and pedophilia."

The majority of people interacting with media like this, or making posts about this, DO NOT want kids interacting with their content! They slap every rating, warning label, and trigger tag under the sun onto their work to say that it is not for kids. At the end of the day, that's all you can do. It is not one random proshipper's job to shelter every single child in the world.

Furthermore, kids are exposed to that crap from plenty of other places besides randos on tumblr. Walking into a library or turning on a television can easily expose kids to these topics just as much as going onto ao3 or opening tumblr could. That doesn't mean every professional author or tv writer on earth needs to create art that's palatable for children. Because that's not their responsibility.

"This content may expose them to predators"

It's grim to say, but literally anything on earth could potentially expose a child to a predator. Getting on the bus, going to the park, going to school, going to church, going to a friend's house, going home. Honestly I think it's a bit of a privileged mindset to think that a child would be 100% safe in this world if it weren't for faceless boogeymen online committing the sin of writing dark fic of their Blorbos.

"which could cause them harmful trauma,"

Again, that trauma could come from anywhere. And you're putting the weight of preventing that onto random strangers online, not anyone who's concretely in the hypothetical child's life, or actually responsible for them

"the type that people claim to use proshipping for"

Appreciate the subtleties of invalidating other people's trauma. Just because you don't have the same coping mechanisms doesn't mean theirs are invalid. Especially when countless licensed therapists agree that writing is one of the better ways you can help process trauma.

And to state the obvious, you don't need to have trauma to be a proshipper. Not everyone uses dark content for self reflection, some people just think it's neat.

"They may think that a person older than them liking a kid is ok, even though the adult has bad intentions."

A kid should not be getting 100%, or even most of their life lessons from fictional media. Parents, guardians, teachers, and other trusted adults in a child's life are the ones who need to teach them right from wrong, and how to protect themselves. I remember being a kid and being told by my mom "now if a stranger pulls up to you and says they lost their puppy and they'll give you candy if you help them look for it, do NOT go with them". That was her job as a parent.

Now I know that sadly, not every child has that kind of trusted adult in their life. But it's not the responsibility of a bunch of fanfic authors on tumblr to fill in the gaps.

"We know that they are fictional characters, but they represent real people and can still affect kids."

It doesn't matter how closely or loosely fiction depicts our reality, it's still just fiction at the end of the day. Movies have been using the whole "Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental" disclaimer for almost as long as there have been movies.

"And if this isn't supposed to affect them irl, why do so many groomers show proship media and illegal art to grow kids?"

One, art is not illegal. Unless you get caught graffiti-ing, then you might get fined. And no one is saying this kind of thing can't affect a child. But why, in this scenario, are you putting the blame on fanfic authors and fanartists before putting the blame on the actual groomer??

And again I ask, what exactly is "proship media" anyway? I'm guessing the kind of stuff that constantly appears on people's DNI lists, which could be anything from Steven Universe to Cannibal Holocaust, so who really knows??

Like I said in the short version, the internet should not have to be sanitized for the sake of the children. The entire internet does not need to be one giant safe space for kids. Adults have a right to talk about adult things with other adults. To explore dark topics in fiction, or to have fun with taboos in a harmless way.

I want the world to be safe for kids too. But the way to do that isn't to forbid adults from posting shit online. Instead of trying to shield children from every controversial, difficult, or uncomfortable topic under the sun, give them the tools they need to learn how to process these things.

Be a safe person to talk to if a kid has a question. Help them understand why something might be okay in a fantasy setting, but it's not something that should carry over into real life (like, a fairy tale prince kissing an sleeping princess to break a curse is fine, but in real life where there's no magic you should always make sure someone is okay with it before kissing them. Something like that)

Teach them internet safety, above all else. When I was a kid, you didn't give out any personal info. Nowadays kids have no qualms about giving out their full name, age, list of phobias and disorders, showing their school, their house - the list goes on.

Honestly, I think we need to go back to scaring kids with Stranger Danger, at least a little. But that's starting to veer into a different topic and I think I've said all I need to say about this one today.

[proship-confessional]

is this too dark for this account? i hope not, but i feel like i have my past abuse invalidated by other proshippers than by antis a lot of the time and i am wondering if anyone else has had that to? :c ive had mutuals start fights with me because i have in my pinned i dont interact with darkship content and i block accounts that post it because it triggers me :c im not anti i just cant see that content and be okay waahhhhh

my oomfs on twt and tumblr have said im not really proship becus i dont support it but its not that at all i just dont interact with it becus it triggers me like i said :c maybe im in the wrong i dont knowwww

!!!!!!! nonnie i want you to listen to me very very carefully. anyone who calls uou ‘less of a proshipper’ because if having boundaries does NOT deserve your attention, friendship, or respect. proshipper still have emotions, squicks, and boundaries, often even moreso detailed than antishippers given the fact that the community we’re in has so much content that could cause issues. you are just as much a proshipper as anyone else even though you dislike darkship, and youre wuite frankly more of a proshipper than those clowns who said you’re not allowed to have boundaries. one of the core beliefs of proshippers is blocking content you dont like and simply not harassing anyone over it, which it sounds like you’re doing. <3 sending hugs, nonnie

[proshippers-against-censorship]

hello. ive recently unblocked you after having you blocked for quite some time due to having a rather questioning moment.

ive done some research on proshippers and what they really stand for, and a part of me almost wants to be one and move on, but ive also been rude to and hurt the proshipper community before, and also know people in real life who have suffered from different forms of s/a trauma and would feel horrible and like i was invalidating their experience if i became a proshipper. its all very confusing to me.

im on anon and still scared that theyll somehow recognize me and leave me to rot. i dont know what to do.

Though not a requirement of the community, healing and growing as a person is important to many proshippers.

And many proshippers are also victims of vile things that have turned to fiction for help.

Apologize to those you hurt, try your best to do good in the world, and leave your past behind.

Do not let your history define your future.

And fuck anyone who says otherwise.

It does not hurt anyone to stop harassment.

It does not hurt anyone to refuse to attack over people following the recommendations of therapists.

[anonprosh1p]

I feel that being proship is still the norm, what I think happens is purity culture it's very loud and since many antis are so toxic (and even kind of criminal at times) harassing and threatening many people, so the many people who agree with proship and profic end up being afraid of suffering harassment and threats too.

In addition to harassment and threats, people (especially disabled people with mental disorders such as anxiety and OCD for example) end up being very affected by being falsely accused of crimes by the antis

So some people are "secretly proshippers", that's why many proship blogs (this one included) are anonymous

In my personal experience, I use this blog only for the topic of proship, profic etc (to also keep it organized) but also because I'm afraid to interact openly with fandom while being openly proship and profic (even though I know I'm not doing anything wrong), I'm afraid of being harassed because antis can't just use the block button, they need to harass, threaten, invalidate and falsely accuse others.

[chubbibunni]

Proshippers when the emotionally volatile teen that they've harassed, bullied, invalidated their trauma, encouraged the cycle of abuse, strung along, sent gore, porn, hate mail, block evaded and their followers after finally snaps (they can finally say an anti harassed them):

[syltheanti]

Back when I was a proshipper, or at least involved in the community, so many fucking proshippers would insist that I must have some kind of trauma because ”all of us have some trauma, otherwise we wouldn’t be here.” And it didn’t matter how often I said I didn’t have any trauma, they would continuously scold me for saying I don’t or that I’m just repressing and that’s a sign of trauma too.

I did have some trauma (yay for being an undiagnosed neurodivergent person!!!), but if I’m gonna be fully honest, these guys just INSISTING I am soooooooo traumatized and lecturing me about ”repressing trauma” or whatever the hell probably traumatized me more than whatever trauma I experienced in the past :/

Jfc. That's actually awful. I'm sorry that happened to you anon. And not all proshippers have trauma. I know some do. But a lot of em will tell you they're just perverts. Not invalidating anyone's trauma. I'm sorry for what happened to you genuinely, that goes to anyone. Whether they're a proshipper or anti. But I've said it before and I'll say it again. Glorifying it via proshipping, darkship, problematic comship, because all relationships are complicated, isn't gonna make it better. But I know and can acknowledge that they won't always listen to you. Nor would they want help. Tangent over. Genuinely I hope it gets better for you anon and if it did have a wonderful day or night or afternoon ^^