#tony stark critical

[tired-nervous-lesbian]

Ironwinter is.... so bad guys.

Y'all are really out there thinking that James Buchanan Barnes would abandon and turn his back on Steve Rogers, his childhood best friend, the man who saved his life countless times and who did everything he could to save him from HYDRA.... for mediocre ass Tony Stark???

Y'all really out there thinking that Bucky would backstab Steve to go bang woobie Tony Stark, the man who tried to murder him even tho he knew Bucky wasn't in control of his actions? Y'all Ironwinter shippers are out there making Steve out to be a toxic friend to Bucky for nonsensical reasons.

Y'all really think he would be Team Iron Man? Y'all really think he would bash Team Cap with Tony?? How out of touch with reality are you???

I'm sorry folks but this makes no sense. This is wildly out of character, and if the characters needs to be ooc for a ship to work... Then it's nothing but a crackship.

[myladyship]

Tony Stark in Civil War

"I'm going to divide my whole team and sign a dubious accord because I feel bad for the death of a college age kid. So, no one gets hurt."

Tony Stark in that same movie.

"Hey, kid who is not even old enough to have a permit to drive. Do you want to join me in a fight across the Atlantic? If you don't, I'm going to tattle to your aunt!"

I want to fight the bitch who wrote the script and didn’t see the big red flags in Tony and Peter's first scene.

[nataliaxalianovnaxxx]

It amazes me how Tony fans have to bend and twist canon to make Tony look good.

Tony is not a good person. He never has been. Every single movie ends with him “learning a lesson”, but then the next move starts with him doing the same thing he was doing before. Sooooo, what lesson was learned?

I’ve seen posts claiming that Steve was a bad person..... Like, what movies were you watching? Steve, who decided to go off into the war to stop the Nazis? Steve who sacrificed himself and spent 70 years in the ice all because he didn’t want all those explosives to decimate NYC. The same Steve who disobeyed direct orders to bring back everyone missing from the 107th, without even knowing if Bucky was dead or alive? The same Steve who when taken out of the ice, dedicated his life, once again, to making a better world?

But go off I guess 🤷🏽‍♀️ Steve is a terrible person because he refused to sign a document that would take away his rights. He was horrible for not being in agreement with something that would directly affect him. He’s a disgrace for defending himself and his best friend from a former teammate gone wild. He’s horrible for putting his best friend first in that situation. Giving the phone to Tony wasn’t enough, he should’ve been able to read that man’s mind and know exactly when he needed him. He’s obligated to give every piece of himself to Tony and then when he doesn’t have anything left, he should still give more.

Poor Tony Stark. The multi-billionaire who made his profit off of creating and distributing bombs that killed innocents. The man who likes to make fun of the trauma of others while hiding behind his own. The man who has made some off-colored jokes that aren’t funny at all. The man who helped with the plans of Project Insight and then went on to create Ultron, the murder bot that killed Pietro and destroyed an entire country. The same man who likes to call other people “weapons of mass destruction” while kidnapping a child to do his dirty work.

Poor baby Tony is perfect and has done nothing wrong. It’s always everybody else’s fault. He deserved so much better 🙄🤷🏽‍♀️

[fefifofoggy]

At this point, I full heartedly believe that most (if not all) Tony stan’s would fall victim to any old narcissist because they have just………zero critical thinking skills.

[nataliaxalianovnaxxx]

All I know is, Tony didn’t even bat an eye when his murder bot killed Pietro, but once the Accords were an option, all of a sudden he became concerned about a kid dying as a result of something HE did and then tried to place the blame on the rest of team.

Where was that energy when you destroyed the entire country of Sokovia, sir?! He didn’t care about accountability. He wanted to assuage his own guilt and pass it off on someone else.

[rdjandtomholland]

2016 → 2017 → 2018 → 2024

[emdashbitch]

I've seen team Iron Man defenders boldly claim that Peter knew when it's canon even in the movie itself that Peter didn't. Peter was a victim of trafficking, kidnap, child endangerment and neglect, and non-sexual criminal grooming in CACW. It doesn't matter how well-meaning Tony's intentions may have been (the road to Hell is paved with good intentions anyone?) what he did to Peter were serious crimes.

Peter:

says no to going

gets blackmailed into going

was under 15 years old constituting a war crime (use of child soldiers, Peter was still 14 at the time, shy of 15 by 2 months)

does not have a passport so therefore was smuggled into Germany illegally (part 1 of literally trafficked into being a child soldier...)

his guardian was outright lied to about why he was being taken (also spoken to without his guardian present) which by the way is legally kidnap

got showered with gifts and compliments from an older man with extensive power, resources and admiration from Peter as bribery to get him to fight for him (constitutes non-sexual grooming for criminal purposes aka child soldier & vigilantism; and also part 2 of human trafficking)

was involved in direct opposition to the Accords

not told what he was fighting for or that he was fighting against his OWN HUMAN RIGHTS (confirmed both bts in interviews and in the dialogue where Steve asks Peter what Tony's told him and...it's just Tony's hypocritical opinion falsely presented as fact)

gets left in Germany under the supervision of an unknown man his guardian has not met (further violation of what May believes is happening)

was left to explore a foreign country alone without identification or a visa and was supervised so poorly he was able to go to a nightclub?? At 14!??

ignored for months by people who knew he was breaking the Accords, until which point he was spoken down to, condescended and punished for things he could not have possibly known because once again he wasn't told anything he needed to be told by Tony

All this then led to him easily being victimized and manipulated by another man, Quentin Beck (and in fact the Skrull masquerading as Fury and Maria) who treated him much the same as Tony did, and eventually led to Peter being framed for terrorism and his identity made public against his will

But yeah sure... Tony acted as a "parental figure" and is the ultimate Irond@d... No, Peter was treated as barely more than an asset with occasional moments of affection and decency

[i-love-tony-stark]

Y’know the truth is I don’t think Tony Stark would bother me nearly as much if his fans were just even slightly normal about him. Like antis get this reputation for being crazy obsessive hateful people, but in my experience they’re just frustrated fans that want a place to vent about an otherwise very popular character. It’s the stans who will cross tag and send death threats to blogs that dare disparage their precious baby. It’s the stans that clamor for unfair amounts of screen time and encourage the co-opting of other characters to surround Tony Stark. I don’t see antis writing a thousand 10k fanfics about Team Iron Man getting tortured and groveling to Steve. Idk maybe this is an unfortunately common fandom behavior?? It just seems so unnecessary to me

[stopandimagineloveforever]

We won, Mr. Stark. 🥹

[ircn-dad]

ROBERT WHY DID YOU GRAB HIM LIKE YOU WERE GOING TO THREATEN HIM

[hurtspideyparker]

Bucky: God I hate that trope where a character chooses a love interest over their best friends.

Tony: Yeah tell me about it.

Bucky: ...

Bucky: So do you wanna beat me up again or

[nataliaxalianovnaxxx]

I love the growth of a character that profited off of manufacturing and selling bombs and needed over thirty years to figure out that said bombs do, in fact, kill people, without caring about who they affected until one nearly killed him.

The character development of someone who belittles everyone else’s trauma and makes off-colored jokes is so stellar.

I can’t believe that someone has been forced to learn lesson after lesson during every single movie he’s in, only to repeat the very same mistakes, but on a larger scale, isn’t loved by everyone!

He’s so great! He’s so much better than everyone else!

Tossing watermelons and shooting repulsers at them with tons of people in the room while drunk? I bet no one else could do it better.

Giving out his address to a known terrorist? Amazing.

Belittling children? We love that.

Why can’t all heroes be like this?

The whole, “I’m going to create a robot that will end up leveling an entire country, causing the death of thousands?” He did it without a second thought, but he felt guilty after, so it’s cool.

In fact, he was so guilty, that he decided to try to force him teammates to sign away their rights just so that he could feel better.

Kidnapping a child? Is it really kidnapping if he was the one who did it? I mean, after all, it doesn’t really matter that the kid’s guardian had no idea what was going on. This kid could stop a car with his bare hands! It didn’t really matter that he said no several times! He doesn’t know what he wants!

Then after, he tried to murder an innocent POW, just to hurt his teammate.

To me, this is what a real hero is.

While everyone was suffering in the Raft, he just shrugged it off like it was nothing and kept it pushing.

Cool!

Those sunglasses that were created, the ones that had the ability to launch a drone strike? He was totally in the right for creating those. They were harmless!

He has an excuse! He has PTSD! He has anxiety! He should be able to do all of those things and get away with it!

No one should questions his morals or dislike him for that! I mean, did they even watch the movies?

Anyone else who doesn’t see all of these great qualities obviously didn’t pay attention. How could they not see how much growth he’s had over the course of all those movies?

🙄🙄🙄

[luciaintheskyainthi]

Happy new years! Even if it's still 2024 for me <3

If for some reason Tony could meet the batfamily and Jason, how would their reunion turn out? (Besides all the trauma)

I really wanted to see how this would unfold.

Like Tony (*technically* peter's overprotective father figure) and Jason (the older boyfriend, associated with crime and literally everything Tony would disapprove of) trying to have a peaceful dinner for the sake of the person they love.

Happy new years to you too! This is a great question, getting me to think about father figures!

Perhaps a controversial opinion, but I actually think MCU Peter would have been closer to Happy than to Tony Stark!

Peter definitely idolises Tony Stark, but it's very much hero worship, and I don't think they really got the chance to become close in the same way he would have had the opportunity to have with Happy, who took both May and Peter in after the fallout of Quentin Beck, even after May broke up with him. That's goated behaviour (a little part of my millennial soul died saying that lol).

Sure, there's evidence of Tony and Peter interacting, and arguably Tony's entire reason for risking everything after the Snap was a desire to bring Peter back, but it could be argued that this came down to guilt and five years of rose-tinted glasses over the times they did spend together. Peter's presence in Tony's life is also what probably made Tony open up to the idea of having a child of his own, so yeah, if he did come back, there's a chance Tony would want to take a more active and fatherly role in Peter's life.

But the way things actually turned out? It's Happy all the way. However, similar to Tony, I don't think Peter was ready to see Happy in that way until after the events of NWH. A throwback to Uncle Ben. Hero-worshipping Tony Stark was safe: he was practically a new god and therefore untouchable. No chance of the Parker curse getting him... But Happy? He was just 'some guy'. And looking at 'some guy' with father-tinted glasses was far more dangerous to Peter Parker.

To get to the meat of your question though! Be it Happy or Tony, they would definitely be disapproving lol. Tony more than Happy, I imagine. But it's not as if Tony's got clean hands, pre or post-Iron Man.

In regards to Happy, consider: having worked with Tony for many years, Happy enabled Tony's wild behaviour before he eventually settled down as Iron Man. How many women many years younger than Tony would he have allowed to pass through those doors? And he was his driver/body guard/head of security, so it's not as if he's averse to killing either.

With all that in mind, here's how I'd imagine things would go down with Tony:

Tony: I don't approve of you (Jason) because you're a criminal and a murderer and also too old (and therefore I'm going to be an ass and not call you by your name).

Jason: Oh, cool, the former warlord who profited off the blood of thousands doesn't approve of me. Hey, did you know that there's no ethical way to be a billionaire? Where'd all those billions come from? Oh, that's right! All those weapons you equipped the military-industrial complex with! Viva la imperialism!

Tony: ... (Has no good rebuttal for this)... Your father is literally a billionaire.

Jason: estranged, but yep. And I steal from him all the time. But please, tell me more, weapons manufacturer, about how you're so much better than me.

Peter: this was a mistake

Jason: and speaking of too old, why don't you tell us about all your sexual conquests huh? You're telling me all the men and women you've slept with have always been your age? There's only five years between Pete and I, you saying that's the biggest gap you've had?

Peter: please make it stop.

At some point, it devolves into a brawl that Peter has to break up and he tears into both of them. It's a long time before they're allowed to spend time together again, and NEVER unsupervised.

If it was Happy, Jason would probably be a lot more respectful. They'd both give each other shit, it would probably also devolve into a fistfight at some point (Happy is such a posturer), but there'd be a hell of a lot less vitriol from Jason towards him. It'd be defensive anger, not the contempt he'd have for someone like Tony Stark acting like he's better than Jason.

I can see a reluctant truce develop between the Happy and Jason, with the odd snipe, but otherwise relatively peaceful. And heaven help anyone who hurt Peter if the two of them were involved.

Does any of this mean I don't love Iron Dad fics? Hell no! Chasing the Iron Dad trope is what led me to the Spider-Man in Gotham fandom in the first place (I was looking at the 'homeless Peter Parker' tag and came across Dark Matter and fell down the rabbit hole like the rest of you)! But in the world of ECM, I don't think Iron Dad is how things actually went down.

Hope that doesn't disappoint! LBR though it probably does lol

[hello-idk-what]

Why do they only focus on Tony Stark’s ptsd, trauma and mental health in general

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Steve Rogers - World War II veteran, was frozen for 70 years, lived through the Great Depression, best friend fell to death in front of him, proberly feels tremendous guilt for not searching for Bucky’s body, had abusive father in comics (you’d have to guess it was MCU cannon due to how they had no mention of his dad being otherwise)

Thor Odinson - has fought in many battles, mom was killed, dad died in front of him, had to kill his sister, lost his home, watched his brother die several times, had to fight his brother many times, was forced to rule when he didn’t wish to (“And believe me I would love for someone else to rule but is can’t be you. You’re just… the worst”)

Bruce Banner - turns into a homicidal, destructive monster

Clint Barton - was a shield agent, not much is known about him

Natasha Romanoff - Red Room, ex shield agent, the Ohio mission, never knew her family, Antonia Dreykov, guilt

Sam Wilson - ex pararescue, watched best friend fall to death

Wanda Maximoff - bombing survivor, two days stuck under rubble, human experimentation, forced to kill boyfriend, lost children, was left so horribly traumatised by killing vision that she accidentally mind controlled a small town to create a reality where everything was fine, was corrupted by the dark hold into trying to kill a child, was left hated for a accident that happens while trying to save people (Lagos), dead brother

Bucky Barnes - was kidnapped and experimented on, fell to ‘death’, was taken, had memories wiped, tortured, brainwashed, forced to kill, nearly killed best friend twice

Peter Parker - Uncle died in front of him, parents died when he was young, bullied, nearly crushed by falling building, blackmailed into fighting superheroes he was to inexperienced to fight, mentor died in front of him, aunt died in front of him, pressured into for filling a role he can’t, was forced to wipe everyone’s memories of him, lost everything

Carol Danvers - was kidnapped, had her memories wiped, was betrayed by her friend, still is recovering her memories in her second movie

Scott Lang - was kept out of his daughters life, lost years of her life to prison/thanos

Black Panther - saw his father die, almost kills a innocent man out vengeance, was nearly killed by his cousin

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I could keep going on but I think you get the point

So many other mcu characters have trauma, many show signs of ptsd and I am a strong believer is Steve Rogers having really bad depression. My point is that there are so many other characters whose mental health the mcu could unpack but they continuously chose to not acknowledge it. Instead of fleshing out other characters via there mental health they keep choosing to shove Tony Starks daddy issues and the one time he flew into a wormhole in our face, which in my opinion was good the first time round but is now overused.

[tonystarkisadouchebag]

I actually fell to my knees

[emdashbitch]

hot take but Quentin Beck was able to manipulate Peter so well because the way he treated Peter was so similar to how Stark treated him