#unicron/optimus prime

[shychangling]

That scene between Optimus and Unicron in Rise of the Beast was there for me and me alone

I am not normal and I refuse to be normal

[macabro]

They spoke to me in whispers older than creation, I could never hope to understand.

[raileurta]

Crack Dad Unicron idea

Miko: Hey when The One created you guys he just said ”You are the gods of destruction and creation. Good and evil.” He didn't specify which ones you were right?

Unicron: That is correct child.

Miko: So theoretically you could be the creation god?

Unicron: Ha that is preposterous, I have destroyed many worlds and killed many. How could I be anything but the destruction god?

Miko: Well from what I learned from the bots the Cybertronian population never went above 10 million and there's like only a thousand different species on your planet. While here on Earth humans number in the billions and there's like 8 million different species living about. We still haven't discovered them all and keep finding new ones practically every week. So you have created more life, varied life too then Primus did.

Unicron: Well-

Miko: Then when the Cybertronian war broke out Primus didn't interfere at all leading to the near extinction of your species. You guys can't even reproduce to get your numbers back up because Primus designed you so you could only be made by the allspark. Which you guys can't use 90% of the time, this is like a huge design flaw honestly. Even when you were trying to destroy the allspark he still didn't interfere. Optimus had to die because of that. Primus indirectly and directly caused many more deaths than you did.

Miko: And the whole planet eating thing? The only planet you had eaten with life was at the amoeba stage. Everything else we're just dead worlds. Yeah you wanted to consume the galaxy but you didn't and eventually decided to stop trying to do that when you learned about humans. You than are now trying to better your creations to lead them onto the right path. That's more than could be said for your brother.

Miko: Plus you can't have creation without breaking things down. Like plants have to what's the word.. de- dim

Raf: Decompose?

Miko: Yeah that! Plants have to Decompose stuff to live and make many more lives. Things breaking down is an essential part of the ecosystem. Animals then break down them and predators eat them to also break down then when those animals die then the plants break them down. Boom life cycle.

Miko: So from where I'm standing you're the creation God. I won't deny your probably the evil one but hey destruction isn't inherently evil and creation isn't inherently good.

*Unicron is now having an existential crisis*

Autobots: ……

Optimus: (⁠ ;⁠ ⁠‿⁠ ;)

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Miko doesn't actually believe anything she is saying, she just wants to mess with Unicron and the Autobots.

[nhoeer]

They still doomed anyways.

[baddecisionsgoooo0]

Transformers X Haso

I need more transformers x Humans are space orcs.

I need these smol, delicate humans the autobots have to protect to pull out Molotov cocktails and destroy decipticon joints.

I need a teacher to mix up a swimming pool size batch of oobleck and trap a cybertronian in it to protect his students.

I need humans using acid, or throwing rocks in joints, or otherwise inconveniencing decepticons while the autobots get more and more concerned.

I need Optimus or Ratchet to morosely bring up something that happened in the war, and a human to be like, "Oh that. Yeah, we made that illegal, it wasn't considered sporting." or "Wait, you guys have been fighting for how long, and that's the most extreme thing you did?"

I need a bot or a con to get curious and open a history book, and the next morning be traumatized by the shit humanity has done.

I need Humans that get tired of the whole, "Humanity is smol and fragile" shtick, and decide to go kill decipticons so they stop attacking the autobots.

I need Optimus to slowly realize we are not cute, fluffy little creatures, but agents of chaos and destruction. Beings who will destroy anyone and anything that threatens our family, and we consider the bots family.

[soaibaka]

I just think it's funny on how small is Optimus in some frame from Armada

[grimlock]

this is basically how tfp season 1 ended right

[scourgeofmyownbrain]

My siblings in Primus, holy fucking shit. I made an Optimus Height Chart. This took me.. SO LONG TO DO. Were y'all aware of how many Optimus designs there are?? Because I don't have all of them on this chart, and I still have TWENTY NINE (29, a 2 and a 9) out of the THIRTY SIX (36, a 3 and a 6) that exist. I didn't include the SEVEN (7) because either they were just a temporary upgraded form, or I already had multiple designs from that universe that were the same height and having all of them is redundant and repetitive.

40 fucking years and nearly as many distinct designs, I deserve a medal, honestly. Optimus has been in every single piece of media the Transformers franchise has ever made. Working on this in tandem with the Megatron one was a wild choice of mine, but I did it.

I included Optimus Primal on this chart. Both are named Optimus, I should not have to explain myself. Big Monkey and Big Truck are the same. No, your honour, I do not plead insanity; why do you ask?

Quick Disclaimer, if any of the images look weird, it's because I had to stitch a few separate images together to create a full body shot of the character.

Links to my Bumblebee Chart and my Megatron Chart. !!NEW!! -> Shockwave, Soundwave, Ratchet, and Ironhide. For future reference, all these charts will be filed under my "Transformers Height Charts" tag and my "aka the adventures of a..." tag. Hopefully, my bumblebee post is acting up and idk if the same issue will happen here.

Master Post

Explanations below the cut because I have fucking WORDS to say. This is gonna be a long one... 29 separate designs...

G1 Beast Wars V1 - ~9 Feet (Primal. Straight from TFWiki, converted to feet and rounded, the tiniest baby man gorilla)

G1 Beast Machines - ~8 Feet (Primal. The wiki failed me, but I found a old forum discussion where they made a chart comparing all the BW/M characters. Glorious stuff, I commend their effort.)

G1 Beast Wars V2 - ~10 Feet (Primal. TFWiki with the clutch, I will not always be this lucky.)

Earth Spark - ~15 Feet (Prime. No official numbers have been given, but I have already figured out how tall Bee is, and I was able to compare the two and get a good estimate. This is the shortest non-animal universe to date holy shit. Look at this, I'm showing my work

I am having a conniption they are so short)

RID 2001 - ~16 Feet (Prime. TFWiki once more, we love one source for everything)

Unicron Trilogy V2&3/ENG&CYB - ~16 Feet (Prime. For the uneducated, the Unicron Trilogy has given each of its 3 seasons separate names and 3 separate art styles. These are the designs used in Energon (S2) and Cybertron (S3). The Wiki had Cybertron's numbers but not Energon's, so for my own sanity, I decided the two were the same height. I could have done something in between Cybertron's and Armada's (S1) numbers, but there was a lot of float between the two)

G1 Beast Wars V3 - ~16 Feet (Primal/Optimal Optimus, this is the result of a fusion between Primal and Prime. The TFWiki says this design is like 40 feet tall, but if that is true, Rattrap, a character stated to be 1.8m or ~6f tall across several sources across several different languages, is actually not that tall. So I call bullshit, this guy is 2.6 Rattraps tall, making him around 16f or 4.9m tall. Checkmate, I win)

Prime Wars V1 - ~17 Feet (Primal. Slight spoilers for further into this chart but I decided that the Prime Wars Trilogy and the Netflix Cybertron Trilogy Optimuses were the same height as the Gen 1 design, because they're nearly identical. So comparing Primal to Prime, Primal comes up to about Prime's tits, bada bing bada boom)

Netflix Cybertron Trilogy - ~17 Feet (Primal. Identical explanation to above, don't want to repeat myself)

One V1 - ~17 Feet 10 inches (Prime. Okay, the Wiki says 32.534 feet, and I call Bullshit. A: These numbers are sourced from the Walmart Promotional AR Experience that came out before the movie. B: There are three decimal points, and that number does not convert into a whole number in meters (which is originally what I thought was weird about it). C: The director has said that this movie is both canon to the LA movies and its own separate canon. I already stated all of this in my Bumblebee chart post, and I will be dying on this hill. This is as short as we see OP in the movie, him at his tallest should match his KCV height, he's never taller than Megsy, so knock a couple feet off the biggest number and voila, my brain hurts)

One V2 - ~18 Feet 10 Inches (Prime. Same explanation as above, but taller than he was without his cog, because he got bigger)

Gen 1 - ~19 Feet (Prime. TFWiki has saved me the effort of figuring it out myself)

Prime Wars - ~19 Feet (Prime. As I said before, since this design is identical to Gen 1, it is the same height)

Netflix Cybertron Trilogy - ~19 Feet (Prime. I've said it twice now, identical, therefore same height)

Knight/Capel-Verse - ~19 Feet 4 inches (Primal. No Robot height given, I have his monkey form height from TFWiki, but comparing him to Optimus he's only a few inches shorter)

Prime Wars V2 - ~ 20 Feet (Primal. Compared to Prime, Prime comes up to about Primal's nose area, and we all know how tall I think this Prime is)

Animated - 20 Feet 6 Inches (Prime. This number actually comes from @phoenix-inanis and the glorious calculations they have done on the TFA Characters. Go check it out, because animated has literally no actual numbers -> https://phoenix-inanis.notion.site/TFA-Height-Chart-f6ad2960ca8c4c5b859ee4958723aaa4?pvs=4)

Knight/Capel-Verse - 20 feet 10 Inches (Prime. TFWiki has graced me with a number)

One V3 - ~20 Feet 10 Inches (Prime. If it's canon to KCV, then it's canon here. I've already told you my reasons)

Cyberverse - 21 Feet (Prime. Oh, shitty screenshot from a random Russian YouTube video; you treat me so well. I would adore a better scan of this if anyone has one)

Unicron Trilogy V1/ARM - 22 Feet 11 Inches (Prime. Technically, this number is for the Armada video game, which isn't exactly canon to the show. But I don't have any other numbers and my brain is tired, so CANON IT IS)

Aligned Cont. RID15 V1 - 25 Feet (Prime. I'm really proud of this one: I can already hear some of your questions. "But I thought his second form was as tall as his TFP V2 form, and this one was as tall as TFP V1," "but his V1 forms and V2 forms look like each other," You thought Wrong!! And I can Prove it!! Let's refresh ourselves on the height difference between TFP V1 Prime and Bee.

As we can see, Bee comes up to the top of Optimus's hips. Lovely. Now, let's look at RID15's height difference when Optimus first returns. Keep in mind that RID15 Bee and TFP Bee are the same height.

Look, Bee comes up to Optimus's chest in this form, not his hips. He comes up to a similar point on Bulkhead in the previous picture. Let's look at Prime's second form.

This is from the intro; yes, Bee is crouched, but look, if he stood straight he only comes up to about Prime's hips, JUST LIKE IN TFP!!! With this evidence, we can conclude that Prime's first RID15 form is similar in height to Bulkhead! I was so fucking excited to show y'all this, I was so proud of myself, I still am)

Bayverse V1 - 28 Feet (Prime. From the first 4 movies. Straight from TFWiki, because Mr. Michael Bay loves me)

Bayverse V2 - 29 Feet (Prime. Only in The Last Knight. Mr. Bay has lovingly kissed my forehead because he always gives me numbers for his movies)

Aligned Cont. WF/FOC/TFP V1/RID15 V2 - 30 Feet (Prime. TFWiki/Fandom/Me respectively. I love you, Video Game Info Screens. I am still pretty syced about figuring RID15 out, oh I feel so good. Almost makes me forget about how FREAKISHLY HUGE this universe is. And how the games concretely prove this fact)

Aligned Cont. TFP V2 - 35 Feet (Prime. Yes this number comes from Fandom, but this entire universe is monstrously huge for no reason, I believe it. Go look at my Bee chart for more in-depth and insane rant about how huge this universe is compared to other universes, it's at the end of the post)

Not Pictured: Aligned Cont. Rescue Bots and Rescue Bots Academy Optimus Prime - 30 Feet. (Yes, Optimus in the Aligned Continuity has 7 distinct designs across the whole thing. I am in physical pain. SEVEN?? ONE GUY?? SEVEN??), Bayverse Optimus Prime Power Up - 40 Feet. (It's an upgrade form that does not stick around, why should I include it), RID 2001 Super Mode - ~21 feet (Optimus can turn it on and off at will, it's just an upgrade mode), Unicron Trilogy Energon & Cybertron Optimus Prime Super Mode - ~20 Feet (Once more, upgrade mode, it's like stilts, you don't count something you don't always have on.)

29 pngs, holy shit I've done it. This took so long. If anyone has any suggestions for which transformer I should aggressively analyze next please tell me I don't know which ones to do next.

Here are the different layers separated, just so you can see all the many Optimuses (Optimusi?) clearly. I know my og chart is crowded, there's 29 pngs on there you don't think I noticed?

[witchofthesouls]

Imagine the reason why Optimus is so focused on Earth isn't because of a noble, sentimental reason... it's because his Prime instincts/the Matrix is literally screaming that the planet is the only cage (blood and bone fueled by the cycle of death of its inhabitants howling, clawing, demanding for the right to exist) that's stopping a fully revived Unicron from consuming all life itself

There's no way he can realistically explain this is his faction or to any other Cybertronian, like who the hell would legimately believe that the Unmaker is within a random orangic, thriving planet in tiny pocket of the space-boonies?!

[gigidraws13]

TFP: THE CHILD OF ORDER

Long ago, when the Thirteen original primes defeated the evil god known as UNICRON the chaos bringer. Life on Cybertron began to thrive, with the Thirteenth as its protectors.

But even after the successful defeat of the evil deity. New conflict occurred, as new and more dangerous threats arose. The Thirteenth then realized that their time as Cybertron’s protectors was limited. As they knew they would not always be there to protect and watch over it.

And so, a powerful creation was made to be Cybertron’s hidden hope.

With the Allspark’s aide, the Thirteen primes sacrificed a piece of their own sparks, their power, their essence, to create the most powerful being imaginable.

A being whose sole purpose was to ensure that no threat would harm Cybertron or its people.

The child of order…

‘F! Y/n’

CREATION AND ORDER INCARNATE.

[futuristicmiraclenightmare]

Just something I've thought about, I love how every little redemption Starscream has ever had,(besides maybe IDW where it was mostly Bee and Windblade who did most of the work) there's atleast some plot point where he ends up realizing maybe Optimus is way better than Megatron in terms of how kind he is to his soldiers.

It's in Armada where he admits that while he does still respect Megatron and still does want his approval,he said the first leader who ever showed him integrity was Optimus and that showed him how a true leader was supposed to be it wasn't just about how many battles they won,but about how one treated their subordinates.

It's in Redemption Center where he loses his memory and is pretty much reset to his pre war self he finds himself trusting Optimus and how reasonable and understanding he was,and how Optimus never forced him to stay or leave when Megatron and Soundwave came to get him back,and even after regaining his memory he does still look back on Optimus and takes inspiration (in a horribly twisted Starscream fashion)from it.

Even in the scrapped up plot of Cyberverse there was supposed to be a scene where Starscream messes up on something and Optimus wouldn't immediately beat him up for it and would try to encourage a more positive response that felt alien to him in general.

Then there's this quote from Redemption center.

Just some crumbs 🥹

[batghostgirlfan]

A meme on an Au without the context:

[lovinglonerhybrid]

I find the fact that all the bots in earthspark are awed and inspired by the fact that they found a relic from one of the 13 primes. But then tfp megatron was like absolutely willing to punch the cybertronion version of the devil in the face. And he DID then just went back to homoeroticly beating on Optimus prime.

[raileurta]

Remember when Optimus tried to convince Unicron not to destroy Earth because humans are low-key his children?

What would he have done if Unicron was like "You know what? You're right I'mma go play catch with my kids now." Would prime just let the evil demi god hangout? He would be such a terrible influence on us (affectionate) and seriously if humans are really mini-Unicrons you guys are fucked. What do you think is going to happen when dear old dad gives us some Cybertronian tech? We're going to reverse engineer that shit and turn it into an anti-black matter 100x deluxe bomb or something. That's not even including Unicron's probably rage out involving humanity in your guy's petty war. You fucked, especially the decepticons.

Well maybe not totally, I bet most humans would like our new robot cousins. I'm just wondering what would have happened if Unicron did like us? Honestly could make for a killer series plotline.

[transingthoseformers]

Megatron: Fuck the humans, Earth is ours now and my ex the autobots can't stop us from wiping out these pathetic organics🤬

*Plot happens and Megatron proceeds to die for reasons and come back as Galvatron*

Galvatron: There has been a change in management

Galvatron: We are still to conquer the universe, yes, but the humans are now our allies.

Someone: why???

Galvatron:

Someone:

𝚄𝚗𝚒𝚌𝚛𝚘𝚗:

Galvatron: Reasons.

[x4az]

I did not need to ask permission to make memes 😏

(Acheron! Reader crossover because why not—)