#vegan critical

[s0larpuppypunk]

One thing I fucking hate about militant/moralist vegans is that,,,,, y'all never seem to ever talk/care about the fact that a LOT of vegan food is ALSO farmed in really horrible ways that fuck over the environment and displace native ecosystems. Like,,,, meat or no meat, things being plants doesn't immediately make it harmless.

Eating animals isn't inherently evil either, we are a naturally omnivorous species. And I don't think we should use indigenous people as "gotchas", but it's important they're included in these conversations and we acknowledge that, as a species, we've been safely and sustainably feeding off of animals for longer than capitalism has existed. ALSO THERE ARE A LOT OF DISABLED PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT HAVE ILLNESSES THAT CAUSE DIETARY RESTRICTIONS THAT MEAN THEY CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT ANIMAL PRODUCTS, DEMONIZING THEM, TALKING OVER THEM, OR DISMISSING THEM OR CLAIMING "There are alternatives, I know better than you, you're lazy/evil for not doing *insert bullshit*" IS AN ACT OF ECOFASCIST EUGENICS. SHUT TF UP.

TL;DR: It doesn't matter if it's animals or plants, I think we can all agree that industrialized farming, no matter what it is, is pretty fucking awful overall. And ANYTHING can be "vegan" if it's farmed and cultivated ethically. Also, people who's diets are core to their cultures and health/survival do not deserve to be attacked, if y'all do that shit, you don't care about anything. You're just an indoctrinated ecofascist POS.

[acepalindrome]

Also I think Caduceus and Senshi would get along amazingly. They’re both the party cook with a great respect for the laws of nature! They’re both the wise figure of their party while also being so, SO stupid (affectionate.) They would cook so many mushroom dishes together.

[unicornachos]

Getting tired of seeing gotcha posts on Tumblr lately shitting all over vegans. They've gotten more common over the past few years...

Usually it'll be a post criticising a choice like maybe 3% of vegans actually make, or more usually an imaginary vegan they've pulled from thin air based on their own stereotypes and assumptions, followed by vibes along the lines of' "I know better, actually you don't care about sustainability or human rights at all! You're completely uneducated about (insert any topic here). Gotcha! Who's the morally superior one now, huh" Followed swiftly by the implication that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, so why try at all.

Like yeah maybe there are some young idiot vegans who think buying pleather boots is ok for the environment, but every vegan I've ever met is more likely to get a second-hand pair of leather boots at an op-shop, because it's better for the environment. Every vegan I know has cared immensely about issues with soy and quinoa, about where their food comes from, about water use and microplastics, who picks their fruit and veg, and human rights in general. More than any non-vegans I know.

So why are we still constantly berated for not doing every single other thing that non-vegans want us to do? It's starting to feel like people have a very specific idea of vegans in their heads and need an outlet for weird anger and misery and frustration, and we're an easier punching bag than the large corporations and governments who dictate the rules of our late-stage capitalist hellscape, so why not have a go?

It really feels like people are unconsciously mad with themselves that they can't do more to help the world and possibly have unexamined issues or guilt with consuming animals themselves, and feel better about themselves after telling vegans they're just not doing their activism hard enough, and that everything they buy from the grocery store is a human rights violation, so really you're just as bad as the rest of us.

Idk man I just. It really feels like a lot of whataboutism most of the time from non-vegans who have a weird, skewed view of militant white vegans, while the majority of vegans (who aren't all white, might I add) are just living their lives, trying to make the world a slightly less shitty place. We should absolutely criticise racist white vegans. Take them the fuck down. I don't think you think vegans are who you think they are, though. Vegans are from intersecting identities just like everybody else, and come from many different countries. And also there are some silly, uninformed vegans with misplaced ideas, just like there are silly, uninformed non-vegans with misplaced ideas. But if you imagine a vegan to be someone you'd hate, it's a lot easier to ridicule them to make you feel like you're right and good.

I just wish that the people who make these posts and the folks who join in and/or reblog, would take a look at themselves and think about what they themselves are doing to prevent cruelty in this world, in any shape or form. Like are you painstakingly making sure you're not buying clothes with plastic in it? Are you checking the label of every food item you buy to make sure you knew where it came from? Do you only buy your veg from local farms within 10km or only eat things from your own garden? If not, idk what to tell you, but it's probably that you should give vegans a break if you're not doing all the very things you tell us we should be doing.

It just feels like a lot of misplaced anger. Why are you so, so enraged at vegans not being perfect people when you could be going and protesting outside the farms of migrant workers, if you're so pissed about where our fruit and veg comes from? If you're mad about fruit and veg, wait till you hear of the human rights abuses in abattoirs.

When someone tells a vegan that there's no ethical consumption under capitalism, it just feels like a cop-out. You're not trying so why should anyone else, right? I just think people should be allowed to try to make the world better in their own ways, and not be ridiculed for not living up to an unattainable standard set my non-vegans.

Being vegan is about doing the least harm you can, within your means. It's not an on-off switch- it's a sliding scale of effort to do less harm. It's not stupid to acknowledge unnecessary suffering and choose not to take part in what's within your means to abstain from. Some vaccines still use animal products. Some of my medication has animal product ingredients. Am I going to go off my meds and become an anti-vaxxer? No. Do I think Indigenous Peoples should stop eating the foods they have always eaten, often for tens of thousands of years before colonisation? Of fucking course not. It's possible try to unsubscribe to shitty things in this world without doing it perfectly. The whole world would be a lot better if most people consumed 70% less animal products, than 2% of the world doing veganism perfectly.

I think most non-vegans are too afraid of what they might find out if they actually research animal agriculture so they stubbornly make excuses not to bother. So that's their choice, but until you're as perfect as how you claim we should be, literally shut the fuck up and find something more productive to do with your time, like actively try to fight against the very things you think we've all somehow decided to turn a blind eye to. Because I bet the majority of people consuming whatever unethical product you've decided on aren't vegans.

Coming across one silly vegan on the internet doesn't mean you have permission now to write off the crucial need for our planet to massively reduce animal agriculture, and the possibility that you might potentially be able to opt out of it. Criticising veganism doesn't mean you've absolved yourself of any harm you yourself are doing, and also doesn't absolve you of finding ways to do less harm to people, animals, and the planet.

And if you're pissed about vegans having moral superiority, I'd really like to see non-vegans examine their own moral superiority they seem to feel they have over vegans.

Ok signing off lol

[rthko]

I am quite self evidently not a vegan but some anti vegan arguments are so annoying to me. Yes I understand the holdup with the phrase "cruelty free" when it comes to labor but are meat packing facilities not famous labor rights abusers? Really wish someone from turn of the century Chicago wrote a book about that. I just don't see the point of arguing about the secret cruelty of vegan diets because something something no ethical consumption. It's just people who altered their consumption habits based on their personal ethics and politics being belittled by people who turn not caring into a moral stance.

[onyxbird]

Vox Machina is in a casino. and they're getting a list of the games available to play and how they work. They already tried lizard-racing, which involved Matt rolling for the performance of each individual lizard, and he's already listed two other games of chance, each of which presumably also functions as a minigame.

I'd ask why Matt Mercer does this to himself, but by this point, I'm pretty sure he'd wither away and die from lack of enrichment if he didn't get to flesh out his setting in a truly ridiculous level of detail.

[batboyrhyrhy]

Did Rhys saying “Elain is Elain” when talking to Feyre about how he can forgive Elain but not Nesta even through the both of them are equally to blame for neglecting Feyre, piss anybody else off?

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

why is it called "she-ra and the princesses of power" when half of the princesses are useless? literally the only princesses who mattered in the story was glimmer, scorpia and entrapta. and two of them were in the horde.

[crayonurchin]

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[hobbithabits]

Reading Star Trek fanfiction, as everyone should, and got to thinking about replicators and space diets. Spock is often referred to as vegan/vegetarian (I actually have no clue if that’s canon or not) which is like just a Vulcan thing, they all have similar diets, but since all starship food is made by a replicator, would the ethics of being vegan even come into play? They aren’t harming any animals or natural life by eating reconstituted meals, because all of their required nutrients are added by a replicator or by supplements. Of course, I don’t think Spock would just start eating meat or anything because it was never part of his diet and could easily cause him some digestive harm or whatever (space allergies?) and there’s plenty other reasons to be vegan or vegetarian, but. Would being vegan for ethical reasons even matter?

Just some FOOD for thought ( •ॢ◡-ॢ)

[gunkbaby]

Tumblr is literally just 4chan for gay people idc

[whoosie2003]

Vegans are some of the most insufferable people on the planet why don’t you go and worry about how much more plastic waste you produce because you refuse to use wool and leather in favor of vegan (see: plastic) materials. How about how much more water you waste because your vegan replacement foods have to be processed so much or how your agave has to be imported from the other side of the world because you won’t just use some damn honey. Catch you in 5 years when you have to buy new boots because your plastic has fallen apart yet won’t degrade for thousands of years while my leather boots will last the rest of my life. And then y’all will say you care about an animal’s health and wellbeing and then turn around and keep a severely disabled animal that’s clearly suffering alive because you have a savior complex.

[mihai-florescu]

Honestly if your vegan company uses plastic packaging youre a poser

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

Mermaista for character bingo card? And Perfuma as well

mermista:

perfuma:

[ratmans-notebooks]

i love blocking people over the stupidest and pettiest shit

[godofsmallthings]

i can guarantee you that men into like sports and video games do not have a constant internal grappling about being too obsessed with the things they like and being parasocial about the celebs they care about

[crayonurchin]

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