the response to Oppenheimer was good but Barbie's bad because of white feminism as if Oppenheimer wasn't humanizing the man who was responsible for the creation of the atomic bomb. Responsible for so much suffering. As if some of the people behind the Oppenheimer movie aren't also openly endorsing the Palestinian genocide.
Imagine if someone made a movie like that about Osama Bin Laden and told Americans it was ok because he was a complex human. Suddenly it would be evil to humanize someone like that.
I like Barbie. I don't think it's the pinnacle of feminism but I don't think it has to be and I hate the people who use that as an excuse to put it down (especially in comparison to movies like Oppenheimer).
I literally had to deal with people using lily gladstone's nom to rejoice about margot robbie's snub and praising "give it back to the indians" Oppenheimer in the same breath.
And the worst part is that some of those people are nothing but cinema lovers who get too easily blinded by the famous artsy director's name on the poster.
Because Oppenheimer is ✨️art✨️ and is ✨️complex✨️ while Barbie is popular and fun so suddenly all its flaws are highlighted because it lacks the cinematic pretentiousness of other nominees that also have so much issues with their message
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Hi! I submitted Thetis from The Song of Achilles (TSOA). She is So Awful I thought I'd share some evidence. Tw for sexual assault.
Thetis kidnaps her son (Achilles) to trap him on an island, separating him from his father and his partner (Patroclus, the narrator). When Patroclus finds the island, it's revealed that Achilles has married a princess who is pregnant with his child (Pyrrhus). Achilles and Patroclus have this conversation:
"Please, wait. Please, let me explain. I did not want to do it. My mother—” He was breathless, almost panting. I had never seen him so upset. “She led the girl to my room. She made me. I did not want to. My mother said—she said—” He was stumbling over his words. “She said that if I did as she said, she would tell you where I was.”
... “You did it for nothing.”
“What do you mean?”
“Your mother did not tell me where you were. It was [your father].”
His face had gone pale, bled dry. “She did not tell you?”
"No. Did you truly expect she would?”
“Yes,” he whispered.
TSOA, Chapter 12
In the excerpt below, Patroclus has died in the Trojan war and observes as a ghost. Achilles returns from another day of killing Trojans in a grief-driven murder spree. Thetis warns him that the god Apollo will punish him if he doesn't stop:
“Achilles.” She strides to him, seizes his chin. “Listen to me. You go too far in this. I will not be able to protect you from [Apollo].”
He jerks his head from her and bares his teeth. “I do not need you to.”
Her skin is whiter than I have ever seen it. “Do not be a fool. It is only my power that—”
“What does it matter?” He cuts her off, snarling. “[Patroclus] is dead. Can your power bring him back?”
“No,” she says. “Nothing can.”
He stands. “Do you think I cannot see your rejoicing? I know how you hated him. You have always hated him! If you had not gone to Zeus, he would be alive!”
“He is a mortal,” she says. “And mortals die.”
“I am a mortal!” he screams. “What good is godhead, if it cannot do this? What good are you?”
“I know you are mortal,” she says. She places each cold word as a tile in a mosaic. “I know it better than anyone. I left you too long on Pelion. It has ruined you.” She gestures, a flick, at his torn clothing, his tear-stained face. “This is not my son.”
His chest heaves. “Then who is it, Mother? Am I not famous enough? I killed Hector. And who else? Send them before me. I will kill them all!”
Her face twists. “You act like a child. At twelve Pyrrhus is more of a man than you...He will come, and Troy will fall...He is the next Aristos Achaion [best Greek warrior].”
“I am not dead yet.”
“You may as well be.” The words are a lash. “Do you know what I have borne to make you great? And now you would destroy it for this?” She points at my festering body, her face tight with disgust. “I am done. There is no more I can do to save you.” Her black eyes seem to contract, like dying stars. “I am glad that he is dead,” she says. It is the last thing she will ever say to him.
TSOA, Chapter 31
Thetis' whole plan was to make Achilles into a god. If his fame was great enough, he'd become immortal. As a goddess, she will never enter the afterlife, so making her son immortal was the only way for her to avoid losing him.
Thetis did not plan to have Achilles; she became pregnant when Achilles' father sexually assaulted her. As a goddess, Thetis is different from humans both physically and culturally. Gods are more unemotional and cold, and Thetis shows a consistent distaste for mortals. Achilles sees himself as mortal, and it hurts him to see her reject all the Earthly things that contribute to his personhood.
Only after she loses Achilles to the afterlife does Thetis come to accept his mortal side. She listens to Patroclus' ghost tell her stories about Achilles. Eventually, she makes it so Patroclus' ghost is no longer trapped on Earth, and he and Achilles reunite in the afterlife.
Thetis is very complex. I think the book puts effort into showing the trauma Achilles endures under his mother & how it shapes him. At the same time, the books lets us know that having a mortal son was thrust on Thetis against her will. In the end, after repeatedly sacrificing Achilles' happiness in the name of keeping him alive, Thetis gives up the comfort of Patroclus' stories to make Achilles happy. A very notable, toxic, complicated fictional mom.
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I don’t even go here in terms of that fandom in your last reblog but oooof do I relate to it. IMO there’s definitely a larger discussion to be had about the tendency across multiple fandoms for a lot of the most diehard shippers to only be invested or appreciative of one half of their chosen OTP, and with this constantly making a visible appearance via the Hand of the Author always taking shots at the other half of the pairing - most often in the form of their intelligence.
(IMO even more-so than we tend to see this phenomenon filtered through the form of calling into question a partner’s ethics or moral code, etc. No, its always about how smart or competent they are, as if everything else is irrelevant and that’s the easiest or most essential vehicle for putting one half of a ship down and making sure they’re viewed by readers as the weak link in the pair).
Its frustrating and annoying on a lot of levels, but above all else every time I see it happen it just smacks of self-sabotage too?? Because I’m always like....isn’t the other person in this pairing, the character you the author actually like, supposed to be truly, madly, deeply in love with this character? Why do you think they even WANT to be with this person if the way you write their POV constantly has them bemoaning this person’s existence or acting like they’re a constant drain on them or a burden to be around?
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