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Did You Know It’s Not Punk To Be A Bitch To Others For Something You Claim They’re Doing When They're Not?

Did You Know Endos Aren’t Faking A Disorder Nor Are They Claiming To Have One?

Did You Know It’s Ableist To Call People Delusional Or Schizos When They’re Not? (This Has Happened To MANY Non-Traumagenics)

Did You Know That Being Endogenic Is Not “Being A System For Funzies?

Endos ARE Punk. They Actively Go Against The Social Norms And Push For Plural Acceptance And Liberation.

Do YOUR Damn Research Before Talking About Shit You Know Nothing About.

Did you know it's actually not punk to fake a disorder

Did you know it's not punk to try and pretend a disorder is just a silly quirky thing

Did you know it's not ableist to call someone out when they support people faking a disorder for funzies

Did you know it's not punk to just idly stand by and allow people to destroy real punks image?

ENDOS are not and never will be punk, learn what punk means. Do some research.

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(We Do Hope None Of This Comes Off As Rude / Disrespecful And Apologies For It's Length, We Began To Rant About Our Experiences As To Try And Better Explain Things T^T) We Get That You Have All Fought So Hard For Safe Spaces Online, But Honestly, So Have The Non-Traumagenic Systems. That Is Due To The Fact That Any Form Of Plurality Is Seen As Wrong And Demonic And Should Be Fixed By Most People Of The World.

Many Of The Anti-Endos We've Come Across Have Been Absolutely Horrible People To Anyone And Everyone Who Doesn't Fit Their Own Personal Definition Of Being A System. They're What Seems Like A Majority Which Causes Others To Think Every Anti-Endo Is A Bad Person.

And We're Assuming From Your Wording That You Don't Actually Know The True Meaning Of Endogenic / Non-Traumagenic. It Is Not Being A System Without Trauma Or Having A CDD Without Trauma.

It's Simply A System That Didn't Form Due To / Because Of Trauma. There Are Many Endogenic / Non-Traumagenic Systems Who Are Traumatized, It's Just Not The Reason Their System Formed.

The Term Endogenic Was Created As An Alternative By A Specific System To Use Rather Than Natural Multiple Or Just Regular Old Multiple. They Created The Term Traumagenic At The Time As Well. They Had Experienced Plurality Since Birth, With Two Originals Instead Of The Usual Failed Integration That Is Normally Seen In Traumagenic CDD Related Plurality. This Article Explains The System's Experiences And How They Came To Coin Endogenic, Traumagenic, And A Couple Other -Genic Terms.

Is It Right That Some Non-Traumagenic / Non-CDD Systems Go Into CDD Spaces Claiming Their Experiences Are The Same? No, It's Not. Are We Similar? In Some Ways, Mainly In The Fact That We Experience Plurality / Multiplicity As Well. Not Normally To The Same Extent Of CDD Systems Though.

And While CDDs Are Usually Traumabased, It Is Possible For Non-Traumagenic Systems To Have One. It's All About The Impairment Factor. The ICD-11 States It Under Every CDD In The "Boundary With Normality (Threshold)" Section Under The Diagnostic Criteria On This Official Site For The ICD-11.

Let's Not Forget That Endogenics And Traumagenics Used To Coexist Under The Multiple And Natural Multiple Labels Going Back All The Way Back To 1990 (According To The Creator Of Endo / Traumagenic Anyway). Not Normally Arguing Over Who Was Or Wasn't Faking. The Terms Eventually Began To Fall Into Disfavor By Those Who Believed The Term "Natural Multiple" Implied That Other Plurals Were Unnatural. Then After The Terms Endogenic And Traumagenic Were Created, Anti-Endos Took The Term And Twisted It's Meaning To Mean DID/OSDD Systems Are The Only "Real / True" Systems, When That's Not The Original Meaning Of The Term.

And When Endogenics Decided To Make Their Own Spaces, You Know What Happened? Antis Invaded Them. A Community On Here We're In Has Been Subjected To Being Posted On r/Systemcringe Twice In The Last 3 Or So Months. Then There's Astrothetherian. An Absolute Dogshit Excuse Of A "Traumagenic Savior". Constantly Harassing People For Simply Existing, Being Sexual, Misgendering, And Other Forms Of Harassment And Awful behavior Have Been Recorded From Him.

Please Don't Claim That Endos Were The Only Shitty Ones When In All Honesty, It Truly Seems Like Antis Started It All For No Reason Other Than Their Feelings Were Hurt Over A Simple Term. (/Nm) The "Majority" Of The Community Is "Pretending" It Never Happened Probably Because They. Don't. Know. We Didn't Know That Non-Traumagenics Were Supposedly "Notoriously" Awful Or Whatever. Which Really Isn't True Today And Probably Wasn't Back Then.. We Hardly See Any Hate Towards Traumagenic Systems From Endos, Rather Coming From Anti-Endos Who Automatically Strip The Traumagenic Origin And / Or CDD Diagnosis From Any Systems That Are Pro-Endo.

Also, Willogenic / Created Systems Do Exist Yes, But Not Usually For Fun. It's Often Due To An Intense Need / Want For Interaction Because Of Loneliness Or A Desire To Have Someone Internally To Help Them. Majority Of Endogenic Systems Did Not Choose To Be Plural, But That Doesn't Mean Those Who Did Are Awful Beings. We Have Tons Of Intentionally And Unintentionally Created Members Ourselves.

Hell Our Primary Co-Host Was Created As A Coping Mechanism For Our Old Host. He Started Out As An Oc That It Roleplayed As In Xaer Fantasies / Fake Scenarios. Then It Turned Into Actual Problems Among Other Things. Ex-Host No Longer Felt As Alone Anymore For A Reason Xey Couldn't Quite Pinpoint. Phantom Sensations Of Horns, Tails, And Wings Were Felt Constantly And So Vividly. Void Would Be "Taken Over" By Our Co-Host And Would Begin To Act Like Him And Started To Lose More And More Time. It Chalked It Down To His Declining Mental Health And A Vivid Imagination. Oh Boy How Pog Was Wrong.

We're Mixed Origins, Like We Mentioned In The Beginning, With A Heavy Amount Of Endogenic Alters. However, We're Chronically Dissociated And Hardly Know Who We Are At Any Given Moment. We Have Severe Memory Loss That Gets Us In Trouble And Other Symptoms Of CDDs. Our Endogenic Origins Don't Make Us Any Less Of A DID System. Our Trauma Could Hardly Be Called Immense In Our Opinion. We Weren't Even Abused (As Far As We Know), Just The Sheer Witnessing Of Our Parents Relationship Crashing And Burning Since Birth Was Enough To Stop The Integration Process. We Think We Lived Fine In Our Few Memories That We Have, All Up Until The Day Our Parents Divorced. That Sparked A Wave A Trauma We Weren't Ready For To Come Down On Us. Divorce Is Traumatic, A Very Common Cause Of Trauma In Children Actually. That Comes From Our Therapists Who Specializes In Patients With Trauma.

While We Formed From Trauma, Most Of Us Didn't. The Vast Majority Of Us Did Not. Hyperfixations And Interests Are Assholes To Us Due To The Fact That We "Absorb" Fictives Like A Sponge. Half Of Them Front Like Once To Log Their Info Then Fuck Off Somewhere In The Innerworld Never To Be Talked To Again Unless Yanked To Front By Someone Accidentally. Fragments Upon Fragments. Latching Onto Images Or Drawings Of People And Creatures, Floating Around Until We Yank Them To Co-Front To Try And "Fill" Them Out. Help Them Find A Sense Of Identity.

I Think The Point Was To Make It Known How Diverse Plurality Is And How There's No One Way To Experience Being A System? I Don't Know, The Rant Jumbled The Brain And Now There's Soup (Several People In Front And Don't Know Who Anyone Else Is Besides Me And The Primary Co-Host).

Anyway, Thanks For Reading All Our Word Salad.

If You Have Any Questions Let Us Know Because We're Tired And English Is Hard Right Now So If We Made Any Mistakes Or Worded Anything Weird We'd Be Happy To Explain.

Have A Good Timezone.

Keep seeing posts of pro-endos who used to be anti-endo talking about "Ugh, anti-endo spaces are so toxic" which is not necessarily bad, there are bad anti-endo spaces out there and people are allowed to vent about how those spaces hurt them

I do have a problem when they use that as an excuse to call us all toxic and cruel. I've seen many saying things like "Anti endos are so horrible, I'm so glad I'm not one of those monsters anymore"

You need to understand we aren't the monsters you make us out to be. We're traumatized people, trying our hardest to survive with something debilitating, who can't help but see endos as mocking, whether they truly are or not. We can't help but see endos as invading our spaces.

We didn't get to have safe spaces most of the time. We didn't get to be around people who cared about us and understood us. Even those of us that did have a safe space had it poisoned by trauma elsewhere. We spent our childhoods afraid, isolated, and so agonizingly alone, feeling like we were better off dead, that we were freaks, that we were the only ones in the world going through this. This community we made for ourselves was one we had to fight through years of hell to get.

So when random people come over trying to insist that they're "just like us" and demanding to be let in, despite having only one or two things in common that we couldn't even trust they truly had, of course we'll be fucking defensive. In our eyes, you're trying to take the safe spaces we fought tooth and nail for away from us, whether you truly are or not. In our eyes you're people who know nothing about us or what we went through, and continue to go through, trying to barge into our havens and bloat it with bullshit, whether that's what you're trying to do or not.

We've been hurt so many times, by so many people, for so long. Why the fuck would we take a chance on people that are so suspect? You claim to have alters just like us, yet without any of the other symptoms of our disorders. You claim to be systems, yet without being caused by the immense trauma we had to suffer through. Hell, some of you claim that you made your alters for fun, just because you can.

Of course we're wary and defensive. We don't want to even risk losing the spaces we worked so damn hard to get.

If you've had a bad experience with anti-endo spaces, and are pro-endo now because of it, that's fine by me and I understand completely. But that doesn't make us all villians. That doesn't make us all evil monsters.

And besides, many of us have been hurt by pro-endo/mixed origin spaces too. We've seen people have horrible experiences with them. (Let's not forget endos started as natural multiples, who were notoriously shitty, cruel, and discriminatory toward any and all traumagens, and that a lot of that same rhetoric is still rampant in the community, AND that the community at large has basically just decided to pretend that never happened.

-Kaz

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Astro Account #4

Under no circumstances should you interact. block and move on.

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abolish psych wards now and forever

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I kinda wish I could send this on anon(/lh, also I get why that's not an option)

Anyways, any updates on the Sophie post?/genq

We're Working On It! It's Taking Us A Bit Since The Document Is 222 Pages Long And We Don't Know How Many Are About Sophie Specifically. Plus We Have Some Other Things Going On Outside Of Tumblr. (Nothing Bad! Just School Stuff.) And Apologies For Not Having Anons On, We Completely Forgot That It's Not The Default Setting. We'll Go Turn Them On Right Now! Though We Do Prefer That People Use Their Base Account, We Know Many Prefer Privacy, Especially When Sending In Discourse Related Asks.

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Dear Anti Endos,

We're Curious. Very Much So.

What Is Your Issue With Endogenic And Other Forms Of Non-Traumagenic Plurality? What Do You Think Endos Are Definition Wise (Asking This Because Many Of You Have The Wrong One)?

Why Do So Many Of You Spit Such Vitriol Comments Towards These People? Many Of Which Are Minors / Under 18. They Aren't (For The Most Part) Actively Harassing/Harming You Guys.

We've Browsed Through The Anti-Endogenic System Community Here On Tumblr And Through Anti-Endo Tags, And It Just Baffles Us How Little You Truly Know About Non-Traumagenic Plurality And How Wrong Some Of Your Information On Plurality In General Is.

We're Scrolling Through The Anti Tag As We're Writing This. Non-Traumagenic Plurality Is Not Always A Spiritual Belief. Endogenic Systems Can And Do In Fact Share Some Traits With CDD And Non-Disordered Traumagenic Systems.

I don't care about endos as long as they're staying out of CDD spaces. I am against the toxicity in their community and consider myself anti endo but I don't actually give a shit about them cause they only matter on the internet and I have bigger things to worry about than some kid who wants to create an alter ego for their online persona.

This... This Is Just Blatantly Wrong. We Have Seen Nothing But Kindness And Positivity In Endo And Pro-Endo Spaces For The Most Part. Are There Toxic Endos? Of Course, But Goodness Gracious Beings, The Majority Of Us Aren't Actually Terrible People Like Many Of You Make Us Out To Be.

We've Seen More Toxicity In Anti-Endo Spaces Actually. For Awhile Before Syscovery, We Were An Anti-Endo "Singlet". We Were Angry, And Would Often Fight Others Online About How Terrible They Were When In Reality, They Did Nothing To Us. They Weren't Terrible At All. We, Were The Horrible Ones.

Endogenic Systems Aren't All "Kids Creating Online Alter-Egos/Personas". They're Real, Living, Breathing People Who Exist In A Way Similar To You. There Are Endos Offline And In Your Physical Spaces As Well As The Online Ones. They Exist, They Are There, And Their Experiences Are Entirely Real. And Adult Endogenic/Non-Traumagenic Systems Exist Too! It's Not All Minors Experiencing This.

The Posts Some Of You All Make Are Absolutely Atrocious And Ignorant. You Refuse To Listen To Endos, Even If They're Trying To Be Civil Because They're "Not Real", "Faking", Or "Ableist".

TW: R-Slur, Sui-baiting Mention

Also What The Actual Fuck Is This. Why Would You, Even If You Can Reclaim It, Call Other People Something That Was Used To Belittle You And Others Like You For Years???

And We Found A Post Telling Pro-Endos To Shut Up That Said 'Kys'. That Behavior Is Not Acceptable From Anyone. It Doesn't Matter Who You Are, Or Who You're Saying It To. It Is Blatantly Wrong.

Oh, And This Carrd? We'll Be Making A Post About It. Because Most (If Not All) Of The Information Provided Is Plain Wrong. It Claims To Be Correcting Misinformation, When All It Does Is Spread More About A Different Community.

Your Tags Are Horrendous. Goodness Gracious How Do Y'all Go About Saying Those Things?

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Welcome Discourseblr

We Are The Starry Eyed Lovers, A Self Diagnosed DID System Of Over 10,000+ Headmates, Fragments, And NPCs. We're Traumaendo, Intriplural, Atrial, And A Mediple System.

This Blog Is Dedicated To Any Discourse We May Be Involved In, Mainly Syscourse (System Discourse).

We Will Frequently Cross Tag To Gain Reach Into The Communities Our Questions/Posts Are Directed At. This Is Not Meant To Be 'Harassing' Others Or 'Invading (Safe) Spaces', But Rather A Way For Us To Learn And Hear People's Opinions/Experiences.

Our Minds Will Probably Not Be Changed Away From Our Current Opinions, As We Are Extremely With/For Them.

All Tags We Use To Cross Tag Are Not Related To Our Beliefs, They Are Simply To Access The Communities We Wish To Discuss With.

The List Below Are Our Stances, We Will Try Discussing With The Community With Opposite Beliefs To Ours. List Might Grow With Time.

~ Pro-Endogenic / Non-Traumagenic Systems/Plurals ~ Anti-Radqueer, Anti-TransID, Anti-ForcedID ~ Anti-Contact Harmful Paraphilias ~ Pro-Mspec Lesbians/Gays/Etc ~ Anti-Prohip/Comship/Darkship/Etc (Minus Selfship Beings) ~ Anti-Ageplay & Anti-Petplay ~ Anti-ED/SH Accounts (Minus Recovery Blogs) ~ Pro-Alterhuman & Pro-Furry ~ Pro-Recovery ~ Anti-PD Abuse (As In PD Havers Aren't Automatically Abusers. And Abusers With PDs Aren't Abusive Because Of Their PD) ~ Pro-Xenogender/Neopronouns ~ Pro-Choice ~ Pro-Functional Multiplicity & Pro-Integration/Fusion ~ Proud Hater Of The Dream Team (Dream, GeorgeNotFound, Sapnap), Minx, Wilbur Soot, JK Rowling, Vivziopop, And @/sophieinwonderland ~ Proud Leftist

Here Is The Link To Our Main Blog's Intro Post. Here Is The Link To Our First Sophieinwonderland Post, And Here Is The Second (Summary + Screenshots) This Is The Link To The Document/Post About The Three For Those Who Can Access It. Debunking Astro Part 1 | Debunking Astro Part 2

!!ALL FUTURE DISCOURSE INVOLVING US WILL BE ON THIS ACCOUNT!!