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vaisravana-lantsov · 15 hours ago
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Oh mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head
And as I climb into an empty bed
Oh well, enough said
I know it's over, still I cling
I don't know where else I can go, over
Jason Todd @everything and everyone ever
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vaisravana-lantsov · 15 hours ago
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Jason doesn't have scars not because they're "ugly", but because Jason, as meticulous as he is, would never leave something so distinguishable on his body as a vigilante. The white hair streak is a mark of his resurrection and he can't get rid of it no matter how much he tries to dye it.
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vaisravana-lantsov · 6 days ago
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If you see this you’re legally obligated to reblog and tag with the book you’re currently reading
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vaisravana-lantsov · 7 days ago
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jason todd: the “failed robin” & the specter of classism in gotham (and amongst fans)
few characters in dc comics embody the contradictions of fandom, narrative, and cultural bias as sharply as jason todd. once the second robin, jason’s trajectory—from orphan to sidekick, to murdered child, to resurrected antihero—has made him one of the most polarizing figures in the batman mythos. where dick grayson is revered, tim drake is celebrated, and damian wayne is indulged, jason is often dismissed: the stupid robin, the dirty robin, the angry one who couldn’t cut it. the shadow of his infamous death in “a death in the family” (1988) still lingers, reinforcing the idea that jason todd was, and remains, a mistake. it was during this storyline that dc held a telephone poll to decide his fate (as we know, the voters decided to kill him).
but why does jason provoke such disdain compared to other robins? why has his characterization been flattened into tropes that revolve around failure, recklessness, and grime? to answer this, we’re going to examine both his in-universe writing and his meta-textual reception—and how those are deeply entangled with class.
the robin who didn’t fit
when jason todd was first introduced in the 1980s, he was originally written as a near-copy of dick grayson: circus background, bright personality, batman’s new “son.” after crisis on infinite earths, however, his origin was radically rewritten. instead of the polished acrobat, jason became the street kid: a boy who tried to steal the batmobile’s wheels in crime alley, who had lived among gotham’s poorest and most brutalized.
this shift changed everything. unlike dick, who came from a working-class background but was still coded as “good” (performing artist, all-american boy), jason was coded as “bad”: impulsive, angry, and marked by his environment. his robin wasn’t aspirational; he was abrasive. he challenged batman’s decisions, expressed open rage, showed little interest in being polite for the sake of hero society, etc.
in-universe, this made him narratively volatile. out-of-universe, it made him unpopular with readers accustomed to the “ideal” robin archetype: clever, charming, deferential, and well-groomed.
the “stupid” robin
much of the criticism against jason hinges on his supposed recklessness. he “gets himself killed” in a death in the family, ignoring batman’s orders and charging into danger. in fan memory, he is remembered less as a victim of joker’s brutality and more as a liability to batman.
but this framing obscures the fact that jason was consistently written as capable, even brilliant at times. his detective work in tracing his mother’s identity in a death in the family demonstrates persistence and skill—his fatal flaw wasn’t stupidity but desperation for family and belonging. the narrative punished that vulnerability.
the label of “stupid” sticks less because jason is stupid, and more because he refuses to follow the scripts of politeness and obedience that fans project onto robin. “smart” robins—tim drake, for example—are praised for their analytical discipline, their ability to stay in line with batman’s ethos. jason, by contrast, operates on instinct and emotion, qualities coded as immature or unintelligent when displayed by working-class characters.
the “dirty” robin
visual and narrative language also conspired to mark jason as dirty, a portrayal many fans online have accepted. he is introduced literally stealing car parts, a figure of poverty in gotham’s alleyways. his resurrection as the red hood doubles down on this imagery: the leather jacket, the biker aesthetic, the rough-edged violence. unlike dick’s acrobatics or tim’s sleek detective work, jason’s skillset is grit and survival.
the reception of jason as “dirty” speaks volumes about the class-coded hierarchies of superhero fandom. fans are quick to valorize aristocratic trauma (bruce wayne’s wealth, damian’s assassins’ pedigree) or middle-class relatability (tim drake’s suburban normalcy), but jason’s urban poverty becomes shorthand for wrongness. his anger is “uncontrolled,” his methods “too brutal,” his hands literally bloody in ways that other robins’ are not.
this isn’t just textual; it’s cultural. fans project real-world class assumptions onto jason: that poverty breeds ignorance, dirtiness, and moral compromise. in contrast, the other robins embody aspirational ideals—circus heroism, boy-genius intellect, or literal princeling status.
the death that defines him
jason’s death was famously left up to a phone-in fan vote, and the majority voted to kill him off, as stated earlier. this event haunts not only the character but also the discourse around him: jason was the robin that fans didn’t want. when he returned as the red hood, his very existence carried that stigma, framing him perpetually as the failed robin.
what often goes unexamined, however, is how much this rejection was shaped by class-coded dislike. jason didn’t “fail” because he was incompetent; he failed because he disrupted the fantasy of what robin was supposed to be. he was too angry, too poor, too messy. and so fans punished him for it, both in the diegesis (via the vote) and in the decades of discourse since.
why it matters
jason todd is more than just an edgy antihero in gotham’s ecosystem. he embodies a discomfort in superhero storytelling: what happens when poverty, rage, and noncompliance enter the polished world of cape comics? his reception reveals as much about readers as it does about him.
to dismiss jason as “stupid” or “dirty” is to participate in a classist narrative that devalues his survival instincts, his lived experience, and his emotional honesty. where other robins are permitted to embody archetypes of cleverness, grace, or nobility, jason is locked into the role of the outsider, the one who “got it wrong.”
yet it is precisely this tension that makes him valuable. jason todd refuses to be a clean myth. he drags gotham’s ugliness into the bat-family, exposing the limits of its paternalistic justice. he is not the robin who failed; he is the robin who revealed what fandom—and batman himself—would rather ignore.
jason & the bat-family
jason todd is often misread as an outsider, a figure permanently at odds with the rest of the bat-family. but the truth is more complicated: jason is defined not only by who he is, but by how he reflects against the other robins, batgirls, and of course, bruce. his characterization becomes sharper when we see how he refracts the qualities of those around him.
dick grayson is jason’s mirror. where dick represents grace, optimism, and the ability to move beyond batman’s shadow, jason embodies gotham’s grime, cynicism, and refusal to let batman’s shadow go unanswered. they are equals in skill but opposites in philosophy: dick leads by hope, jason by realism. their tension doesn’t come from jason being “less than,” but from him being an alternative path robin could have taken.
tim drake highlights jason’s resentment and intelligence simultaneously. jason was replaced by tim, and that wound still festers. yet tim also respects jason’s tactical mind in ways others don’t. their conflict is less about rivalry and more about legitimacy: jason feels discarded, while tim represents the version of robin fandom wanted. together, they embody the tension between “the robin fans voted to kill” and “the robin fans embraced.”
damian wayne is a curious bond. both jason and damian are “difficult robins”—abrasive, violent, prone to breaking rules. but damian’s privilege (the league of assassins, wayne heir) stands in stark contrast to jason’s background. jason often sees in damian a version of himself with resources and support he never had. there’s occasional kinship there, but also a sharp awareness of how privilege cushions damian’s violence.
barbara gordon often clashes with jason, particularly over methods. yet beneath the tension, there’s mutual respect: barbara recognizes jason’s intelligence and tactical skills, even if she disapproves of his brutality. jason, in turn, respects barbara’s pragmatism, especially as oracle, more than he does bruce’s idealism. their relationship shows how jason doesn’t reject the bat-family entirely—he finds kinship with those who operate in shades of gray.
and then there is bruce wayne. every jason story is, at its core, about batman. jason once wanted bruce’s approval, even to inherit his mantle. now he wants something simpler: for bruce to stay out of his way. their bond is not father/son in the sentimental sense, but battlefield comrades locked in an ideological stalemate. jason forces bruce to confront the failures of his methods—failures that are too personal for bruce to accept.
in all these dynamics, jason is not the estranged son or black sheep lurking at gotham’s edges. he is the necessary friction within the family. he tests their assumptions, challenges their methods, and embodies the consequences they would rather not face. without jason, the bat-family risks becoming too clean, too idealized. with him, it is forced to reckon with gotham as it truly is.
jason in adaptations: the feedback loop of misreading
jason todd’s reputation has never existed in comics alone. animated films, video games, and television have all reinterpreted him, often simplifying or distorting his complexity. these adaptations, widely consumed by fans who may not read the comics, have reinforced the idea of jason as the “stupid,” “angry,” or “reckless” robin—creating a feedback loop where misreadings of jason in media bleed back into fandom discourse.
the animated film batman: under the red hood (2010) is perhaps the most faithful version. it presents jason as intelligent, articulate, and pragmatic, though still boiling with anger. his confrontation with bruce about killing the joker remains one of the sharpest distillations of his ethos: jason doesn’t want batman to murder indiscriminately; he just can’t accept that bruce lets the joker live. yet even here, the film leans heavily on jason’s emotional volatility, tilting him closer to tragic rage than to calculating strategist.
the arkham video games amplified that volatility. in arkham knight (2015), jason is rewritten as the titular villain, tortured and manipulated into donning the red hood persona. the game frames him as irrational, vengeful, and defined by resentment toward bruce. while the design and gameplay made him popular, the narrative flattened him into a rage-fueled antagonist, reducing his intelligence and pragmatism to background noise. for many players, this became their primary exposure to jason, entrenching the “angry failed robin” stereotype.
then came dc universe’s titans (2018–2021), which depicted jason as brash, cocky, and self-destructive. this version of jason leans into recklessness, more “punk kid who doesn’t listen” than “brilliant tactician.” while it gave him screen time, it reinforced class-coded readings of jason as the dirty, stupid robin who couldn’t cut it—cementing the idea that his downfall was inevitable, even deserved.
these portrayals matter because they shape the collective imagination of jason todd. fans who only know him through animation, games, or television internalize the exaggerated traits—recklessness, rage, stupidity—without seeing the nuance the comics sometimes afford him. and when fandom repeats those ideas (“he’s dumb,” “he’s dirty,” “he deserved to die”), it validates the same classist misreadings that marred his reception in the first place.
the tragedy is that jason is compelling in these stories—he’s often the emotional heart, the character who forces batman (and the audience) to confront the contradictions of justice. but when adaptations reduce him to his roughest edges, they obscure what makes him unique: his intelligence, his strategy, his pragmatism, and his deep (if hidden) care for gotham’s people.
the narrative function of jason todd
beyond his personal arc, jason todd plays a crucial role in the larger machinery of batman’s mythos. he isn’t just another robin; he is the test case that asks: what happens when the system breaks?
each robin has a narrative function. dick grayson proves batman can create something hopeful out of tragedy. tim drake proves batman needs balance and rationality. damian wayne proves batman’s legacy can be both inherited and challenged. jason todd, however, is different: he is the flaw in the system, the one who refuses to be smoothed into the narrative of batman’s triumph.
jason disrupts the myth of batman’s control. for decades, the fantasy of batman has been that he can walk into gotham’s chaos and impose order through discipline and morality. jason’s death—and later his return—shatters that illusion. batman couldn’t protect him. batman couldn’t save him. and when jason comes back, batman can’t control him. he exists as a permanent reminder that gotham isn’t clean, that bruce’s crusade leaves scars, and that the bat-family isn’t a perfect machine.
he also functions as the embodied critique of batman’s no-kill rule. in story after story, jason forces bruce (and the audience) to wrestle with the contradictions of letting mass murderers like the joker live while innocents die. jason doesn’t just disagree with bruce—he destabilizes the moral scaffolding that holds batman together. in this way, jason is less a “failed robin” than a narrative device designed to stress-test batman’s philosophy.
finally, jason prevents the bat-family from becoming too self-righteous. dick, tim, barbara, damian—each embodies an aspect of bruce’s mission filtered through competence, discipline, or privilege. jason injects discomfort. he’s the scar the others don’t want to acknowledge, the one who refuses to play the game of heroic branding. without him, the bat-family risks becoming an echo chamber of idealism. with him, it must continually face the ugly compromises of gotham.
jason todd’s function, then, is not failure—it is friction. he is the splinter under batman’s skin, the flaw that reveals the limits of the crusade. and in that way, he’s indispensable. gotham needs him because he tells the truth no one else will: justice in gotham is broken, and sometimes belief in batman isn’t enough.
how jason should be characterized
if jason todd’s reception has long been filtered through classist stereotypes and lazy shorthand—“stupid,” “reckless,” “dirty”—then what’s the alternative? what does it look like to take him seriously as a character, not as a cautionary tale?
jason, written well, isn’t the dropout robin. he’s an intellectual. a rebel, yes, but also an intellectual, which many fans seem to forget or ignore. he believes in the cause—protecting gotham’s people—but he’s pragmatic about the means. bruce clings to ideals like a priest clutching scripture while jason lives in realism. he doesn’t kill casually, and he doesn’t kill first. but he’s a soldier who knows that sometimes the only way to stop a monster is to put them down. that’s not recklessness; it’s clarity.
too often, writers flatten him into the dumb bruiser of the robins. in reality, jason is incredibly sharp. book-smart, street-smart, tactically brilliant. his detective style is different from bruce or dick’s—less clue-hunting, more psychological profiling. at nineteen, he took control of gotham’s underworld; beneath the red hood’s bravado is a strategist who plays chess with the board three moves ahead. he is someone who sees combat the way others see music or math.
and, crucially: jason is not just rage and trauma. yes, he’s angry, cynical, sharp-edged—but he’s not some frothing madman or sad boy in a leather jacket. his humor is sardonic, his cynicism a shield. he pushes people away on purpose because mistrust is his default defense. when he does trust, betrayal cuts deep. that doesn’t make him empty—it makes him deliberate.
jason is realism and tactical aggression. controlled, not unhinged. revenge isn’t his fuel; protection is. he’s not a “failed robin” or an “anti-batman.” he’s batman’s counterweight. the necessary one. he believes in the mission, but he refuses to worship the method.
that’s what makes him compelling. jason todd is the question the bat-family doesn’t want to ask: what if gotham really is as brutal as he says it is? what if the mission needs more than masks and ideals? he’s not the outcast robin. he’s the reminder that belief and disillusion can coexist—and that sometimes the rebel is the one keeping the cause honest.
the tragedy & the triumph
jason todd is, in many ways, the great tragedy of the batman mythos. he was the robin fans voted to kill, the boy who broke batman’s illusion of control, the street kid punished for not fitting the mold of what robin was “supposed” to be. his death, his return, and his messy place in the bat-family reveal how gotham—and fandom itself—treats those who don’t conform: with disdain, suspicion, and dismissal.
but jason is also a triumph. he is the robin who refused to stay dead, the bat who will not be contained, the one member of the family who consistently calls gotham what it is instead of what batman wishes it to be. he’s not stupid, dirty, or reckless; he’s pragmatic, brilliant, sardonic, and terrifyingly effective. he’s the strategist in a leather jacket, the kid who was told he didn’t belong and built his own place anyway.
jason forces batman—and us—to grapple with questions most superheroes let us ignore: what do we do with villains who will never stop? what happens when justice fails? how much blood is the cost of morality? in a mythology that often celebrates idealism, jason is the reminder that realism has its place too.
that duality—the tragedy of his rejection and the triumph of his survival—is what makes jason todd indispensable. he is the robin who broke the story and, in doing so, ensured that the story could never be too clean again.
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vaisravana-lantsov · 9 days ago
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it's always "damian is cruel and vicious because he was raised by ra's and talia" and never "tim drake inherited his opinion of women from jack drake"
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vaisravana-lantsov · 10 days ago
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Lmao I'm going through the worst time of my life. Jobless, penniless, friendless, living with family that hate me in a cramped apartment. But hey at least I can consume media :)
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vaisravana-lantsov · 10 days ago
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babygirl jason anon here. And i was reading your tags about making an oc to insert as his dad, and i just need to talk about this au i have in my head of willis being broken out of jail in a chaos breakout as per usual and somehow he survives after jason passes, resenting wayne for letting his boy die, while wishing desperately for his baby back. I think in a beautiful juxtaposition of bruce's warped grief, willis does good for the alley because that's what jason would have wanted.
Then the Red Hood hits Gotham like a fucking freight train. and willis keeps his distance even though he's heard good things and one night, he's loading supplies for Leslie when he sees his baby's scared face while he holds his bloody throat. Jason dealing with bruce's betrayal only to find the father that loved him till the ends if the earth still alive.
Willis holding jason gently as he gets stitched up by leslie, whispering about how brave and strong his sweet little prince is, how he missed him and he's sorry but it's alright because Papa's gonna keep him safe now, he's okay.
Just jason crying in a warbled and pained voice for his papa, clinging to willis, and willis with his son's blood on his hand cooing and kissing his boy's sweaty forehead planning hellish retribution for whoever hurt his precious baby.
YOU ALWAYS EAT ANON I LOVE YOU
i loveeee thinking about a willis who does good in crime alley after he's out of prison and you said it so perfectly. i want him despising bruce but failing so badly at it (before finding out about the batarang) because he can't help comparing himself to the other man. they both failed jason-- their child. i want him meeting bruce wayne for the first time and screaming his throat dry at him, collapsing to the floor until bruce breaks too and now they're both sobbing into each other's arms with bruce apologizing again and again. i want willis being unable to forgive him-- being so angry that a man as privileged as wayne adopted his little boy from a life of poverty and still couldn't provide him a better future. "you took my baby from me twice."
AND YES RED HOODDDD omg willis would be so proud but so so conflicted because why. why does his baby need to put himself in harm's way to save a world that doesn't and has never deserved him? BUT BABEEE HELLO??? THAT LAST BIT? devastating and BEAUTIFUL. their reunion 😭 jason thinks he's hallucinating from blood loss or that he's dead once more, finally getting to be with his daddy again.
alsoooo i see him working with jason on comms during patrol/missions and they have the cutest conversations. jason is NOT used to someone praising him this much when he's working. it's usually some belittling remark from one of the bats telling him to keep his "anger" in check or reminding him not to kill so wdymmm there's someone now constantly chatting in his ears about how smart he is?! he is NOT surprised it's his dad because willis has always been very open with his affection and praise but still. the last time bruce was like this was when he was robin.
sometimes the bats will just openly gape at him when they hear a giggle from underneath the helmet. and why is jason not paying them any attention??
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willis: wow sweetheart, that's an amazing plan. you've always been daddy's little genius for a reason 🥰
jason: *trips mid air and crashes into a rooftop*
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vaisravana-lantsov · 12 days ago
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The common assumption that the events of Under the Hood are "just" to get Bruce's attention has done irreparable damage to fandom's critical thinking skills.
No, Jason did not decapitate those lieutenants to get Bruce's attention. He DID blow up an empty building to mess with Bruce (Bruce evacuated the building first, but it WAS empty when it blew) and staged his own fake-death to traumatize him. (again)
I need you to understand that people's motives can be multifaceted and he said exactly what his motives were in very plain speech if you bother to actually read it.
"Who does Jason think he is to say who lives or dies?"
Who does BATMAN think he is to make those calls?
When he interfered with Joker's lawfully acquired sentence for execution (Joker: Devil's advocate)?
When he healed/saved Joker from dying in a Lazarus Pit and then restored the status quo by tossing him in the prison where Joker pointed out how many times Bruce had saved his life at that point, thus enabling his crimes (Legends of the Dark Knight #145)?
When he resuscitated Joker after Nightwing beat him to death (Joker: Last Laugh)?
When he prevented Jason from killing Joker? When he prevented Clownhunter/Bao Pham from killing Joker?
When he started going around interfering with the Lazarus Pits/possible locations for Lazarus Pits and causes Ra's al Ghul's death by preventing him access to them?
When he deliberately left KGBeast to die after he shot Dick?
What about all the maiming or maim-worthy bullshit that he and the other bats do to common criminals you think those medical debts aren't going to murder them just as surely if not slowly?
These aren't even the only examples of Bruce doing this and anyone is free to add more I just don't feel like going all the way through Bruce's list.
"Dick would have crashed out/killed himself if Bruce hadn't!"
So Bruce gets to decide that Dick has more of a right to live than the countless people that would be saved by letting Joker die? How is that not being an arbiter of who lives or dies?
Multiple people have tried to kill Joker and Bruce stopped them. Multiple people have argued that Bruce should have let him die or someone kill him. Bruce choosing to let someone live with the understanding that he will kill more people (because it's not a question of if, but when) is not playing god any less than Jason is when he personally does the killing, it just absolves him of direct culpability.
So, if Jason has some kind of arguable god complex about deciding who lives or dies? Well, frankly, some things you don't need to be related by blood to inherit.
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vaisravana-lantsov · 12 days ago
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my jayrena thoughts range from aww they’re the cutest ever to gut wrenching despair to finding it amusing imagining criminal by britney spears playing in rena’s head after learning about red hood
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vaisravana-lantsov · 12 days ago
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Listened to I know It's Over (Jeff Buckley's Version) for the first time and was gut punched by how much it reminded me of Jason and Bruce.
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vaisravana-lantsov · 14 days ago
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All I can think about at the moment is how Jason’s death, at the crux of it, was that he was too sweet and tender and loving, looking for someone who he hoped would return that love back to him. He had to take care of his sickly, addicted mother, and his father was never there when he needed it. He felt abandoned by Bruce because his compassion for victims, coming forth in a blaze of fury, caused Bruce to condemn him and it cut him more than anything. He died saving a woman who did not care about him.
He cared for his sick, addicted mother for years until she passed, got his hands dirty for her dignity. He tried to be the best robin, best son that he could be for Bruce. He loved and loved and he searched for Sheila hoping to find any crumb of that affection returned, shielding her from a bomb blast despite her being to reason he was put in his situation to begin with.
Jason Todd’s crime was sweetness, and his punishment was death.
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vaisravana-lantsov · 14 days ago
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i think willis and cathy todd also should get to kill bruce wayne btw
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vaisravana-lantsov · 14 days ago
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theres a thunderstorm going on right now and im thinking about how the entire todd family is seen as cautionary tales for things that were completely out of their control and to be forever immortalised for it after their deaths. father with bruised knuckles, mother forever in her bed, son of mine now son of his — dead. don't try to save your family and don't try to live because you're rude and violent (edit: and poor) and they said you had it coming. now is that true? well whatever! nothing major, nothing new, another crime alley tragedy, just too ugly for pearls.
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vaisravana-lantsov · 14 days ago
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The way some of y'all age up Jason just to make him a worse villain to Tim is so funny to me
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vaisravana-lantsov · 14 days ago
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im gonna be fair. i don't fully dislike tim so much as i'm utterly uninterested in him. but if you say "what people don't get about tim is that he's the only robin whose life got worse after taking the mantle instead of better". all i hear is "tim was already so rich that getting access to bruce's wealth didn't improve his life at all"
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vaisravana-lantsov · 15 days ago
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People love to call Jason a hypocrite in Under the Red Hood, but they’re missing the point. His ultimatum wasn’t “kill the Joker or else,” it was “choose me over him.” He knew Bruce wasn’t about to whip out a glock and headshot the guy. Jason’s first option was literally Bruce doing nothing while Jason handled it himself. The “kill me” part wasn’t theatrics, it was him saying, If you won’t protect me, if I mean that little to you, then I’d rather not live with that knowledge. Selfish? Sure. Unprecedented? Absolutely not. Bruce has let people die before. He’s even tried to kill with his own hands.
In Joker’s Last Laugh #6, Dick beat the Joker to death and Bruce only revived him to protect Dick’s mental health. Helena and Dinah have both killed before.
This wasn’t a moral high ground test. It was a scared, furious 18-year-old asking his dad for the bare minimum of loyalty Bruce himself once promised.
No wonder Jason spirals into a full villain arc after this. He gave Bruce every chance to prove he still loved him, and Bruce’s response was to put a batarang in his neck.
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vaisravana-lantsov · 16 days ago
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Jason Todd Vs the mortifying ordeal of begging to be loved and being denied again and again and again.
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