#anti tim drake

[rubydubydoo122]

I’m just gonna say this, the main reason people don’t like Damian Wayne as a character is the same reason people didn’t like Jason Todd back in the 80s

People don’t like either of them because their favorite Robin (Tim Drake and Dick Grayson) got replaced by them.

Damian and Jason are both really interesting and complex character, objectively more complex than both Tim and Dick, but some people (cough, obnoxious Tim fans, cough, and Dick fans who over sexualize him, cough) don’t see that and just want their little blorbos to never grow into their own character apart from Batman.

[mikakuna]

jason antis who hate his fans bc they treat him like a sad boy are so funny... wdym you're mad i think a character who was tortured, murdered, victim blamed for his own death by people who were supposed to be his family, repeatedly beaten by his adoptive father, and canonically suicidal.... is sad?!

you're mad that he's one of the characters who are actually canonically depressed and so fans treat him as such?????

[panakina]

Since so many people like giving Tim Jason’s backstory of childhood neglect and malnourishment, i think he should also get the attendant prejudices.

Bruce had to take in tim to save him from a life of crime. Look, he has already sunken to stalking and theft. (He even stole that dead boys clothes.) But it was too late. Even Batman couldn’t resist fate, and tim gave in and accepted a life of criminal violence. One of bruce’s greatest failures really.

[welcometothehouseofhades]

anyone got Jason Todd fic recs that are either

1) Jason’s return from the dead, his lost days, his time at the league (I’ll even take the all caste), his “under the red hood” era

2) Jason comes back to the family fics (or even just Jason and Dick, Jason and Damian, or Jason and Bruce or Jason and Alfred or Jason and Duke)

3) Jason leaves the family fics

4) dealing with Jason’s trauma, be it dying and coming back changed, his time on the streets, his death/the joker, the batarang slicing his throat, etc.

5) competent Jason or magic Jason or Jason and the outlaws (this can be Roy Kori Artemis Bizarro Eddie Rose or even his Kyle and Donna days)

6) Jason and Gotham city (so like. The city herself, or the alley kids, the ladies, the people of crime alley, the ppl who work for him)

7) Jason doesn’t come back to Gotham after the pit

8) Jason centric case fics

9) Jayroy or KyleRoy or RoseJay

Any fics that like, fit those would be great!!! All I ask is that they don’t include the fanon Tim Drake characterization who is always so sad and whose canon angsty backstory has been maximized and exaggerated (No hate to ppl who enjoy that btw it’s just not my cup of tea but it’s his most consistent characterization in fics and I find that version popping up even when I filter Tim Drake out!! I’m fine with tim showing up tho just not this version—im sorry Tim just isn’t my favorite 😭)

[gonnalosemydougdimmadomedamnmind]

It's literally impossible to read bat fanfiction because it's all based off those ridiculous fanon tropes that spread like crazy and people take as fucking biblical!!!!! Dick was never a jerk to Jason when he was Robin- they got along because Dick is mature as hell and in one retelling- Jason was a jerk to him!! And when he came back as Red Hood he had literally not a single damn reason to treat Dick like shit! Not a damn one! But he did, didn't he? Cause he's the fucking asshole! How dare you make Dick grovel towards that bastard! Dick has only ever tried to help him! Reached out during his Batman run, over and over! Also- Dick never put Jason in Arkham with Joker just a few cells down???? What the fuck! The Joker and all those other fuckers had been broken out of Arkham by Black Mask already for like the whole run??? Jason went to Arkham after losing to Dick, and Gordon put him in there because One he fucking deserved it, Two the literal circumstances?? And at that point!! Arkham was fucking rehabilitated itself!! By Dick!!! Because Bruce had him go undercover there for real, and Dick was actually tortured there before he got out!! So Dick put in the work to get that shit in order to actually help people!!

Dick never chose Damian over Tim- Tim refused to engage with him over his grief, shut him out, and left of his own devices! He never told Dick his suspicions on why Bruce was alive, never! And Tim is not the one to bring Bruce back either, there's a whole team at that point! Dick learns Bruce is alive through tossing his 'dead' body into a pit and the body comes to life as a zombie. Tim didn't tell him shit! Tim is also not a little crybaby- Damian cutting his line was a fucking blip on the page, he was momentarily shocked, that was it! He put Damian on his Hit List, which is why Damian cut his line. And his first attempt at "murder" is just pushing Tim off the dinosaur statue in the cave, he didn't go all assassin on him! Also Dick wasn't even there the first incident and wasn't told about the second incident. Alfred is the one who gave Damian Robin and Dick accepted him because he saw that Damian needed help! He needed guidance! He didn't fucking fire Tim the way Bruce fired him, and fuck all of you for thinking that Tim or Jason or fucking anyone has more right over Robin than Dick Fucking Grayson! He tried to promote Tim and Tim walked off. How dare yall make Dick fucking grovel towards that bastard!!!

Jason did try to kill all three of them!! Why does everyone just gloss over that like what the fuck??? Why does he get a pass for every shitty thing he's done??? "Bad writing" stfu this is the same dude that without hesitation kills random criminals, people who deal drugs, do you know how many random ass people deal drugs??? Jason doesn't give a single shit about being his own type of hero or saving Gotham his own way, nor do the people think of him as their savior!! Are you people fucking delusional?? I saw a post that said citizens would trust Jason over CASS and I cannot Believe the hallucinations yall are seeing???

It is literally downright impossible to find fics about Dick or Damian or Cass or fucking any of them that doesn't include these literal bullshit fanon takes!!! It's impossible!!! This fandom sucks!!!! You don't even need to go buy the comics, all these popular takes have been debunked right here on tumblr!!!! Also Dick can do literally everything!! He's hypercompetent as hell, die mad about it!! Jason doesn't like Wonder Woman???? Where the fuck did that come from??? Wayne Family Adventures is not real!!! Those people could not BE more out of character!!! Look at Bruce for crying out loud!!! Yall know that man ain't act like that!

Edit: leaving this here in case anyone wonders what my hot take is towards this question I was asked: "have you considered tho, that fanon is more fun..."

Well of course fanon is more fun if you're a fan of Jason or Tim. Fanon actively caters towards those two pasty white boys. Fanon actively shits on Dick and Damian though. And for Dick? He literally never did that shit! It is all made up! It's literal character assassination?? But by the fans?? And for Damian? He was 10!!! He grew up as an assassin! He was actively trying to grow with Dick's help! How can yall see him as the bad guy?? And not the literal bad guy, (Jason), and the 17 teen year old who literally fought him back btw, (Tim), like old boy did not act victimized the way you people portray. And Jesus for Cass? Cass is just a prop in fanon. So what exactly about this should be fun to me? Like seriously.

[armed-with-a-waffle-iron]

I LOVE how everyone in and around Batgirl (2009) who actually gets to know Steph is like "wow, you remind me of a young Dick/Babs", "wow, you're such a problem solver", "wow, your methods work wonders", "wow, you're my girl, Steph", while the one person that actually gets to know Tim in Red Robin is like:

Here's Steph getting some love btw:

[zeynyukine3011]

This image is really funny if you think about we really don't have "One Robin". Since Tim can't move on, Damian will never get to be the "One Robin". 😑

Can't Tim be an adult and let Damian carry the Robin title? Tim being Robin just shows how he is stuck in the same place for decades. At this point Damian will find himself a new title and Tim will still be Robin. And it is annoying.

And writers keep downgrading other Robins just to show how Tim is the ✨The Best Robin✨.

Move on Tim!!!

[webshood]

POV: you're me trying to read a Jason centered fanfic

[girluimfailing]

Some Tim stans r fucking crazy wtf

[telffiin]

"damian feels guilty and sad for what he put poor little timmy through :(" shut up for one million years.

first of all that shit was NOT one sided... are you kidding me... they both contributed. it was a team effort of idk jealousy and antagonism or whatever.

tim isn't like some helpless victim that damian abuses. which... ugh. what is it with this whole thing that shows up in fanfic all the time where tim is ostracized by his family who are always on damian's side and dick makes excuses for him and URRGGHHH whatever whatever WHATEVER.

[rubydubydoo122]

Every time I see a Reverse Robin's Au and see a 'Tim Drake is the Red Hood' or something adjacent to that, a part of me dies, because Tim would not have a reason to be the Red Hood like Jason did-- he has zero connection to crime alley, and his morals and motivations are different from Jason's. Tim would not kill.

"But Red Robin--" blowing multiple people up from a distance is different from pulling the trigger of a sniper or pistol or being up close and personal and stabbing them with a sword or knife and the chopping off their heads.

and yeah there are alternate versions of him who are gun-batmans, but they were meant to show how main contenuity Tim couldn't let himself fall down that path. Tim would rather kill himself that let himself become a Brutal Batman

also, Tim probably has stronger morals that Batman. He became Robin because he could see Bruce inching closer and closer towards that line. He became Robin to stop Bruce from going to a place where he couldn't return.

if Tim died, and then came back to life, only to find out he's been replaced, I think he would just find his own city and become a hero there without telling Bruce he's alive.

God, I'm not even a Tim fan, but making Tim Red Hood is just such a disservice to his character.

[mikakuna]

every time i read a jason fic and it has someone saying he tried to kill tim, i have to take a deep breath

[gothham]

tim stans will be like "damian faced no repercussions for what he did to tim!" what do you think should have happened to him then? should he have been thrown in baby jail? more like when will timothy face repercussions for feuding with a traumatized 10-year-old 😭

[alicepooryorick]

*starts the clown music* my TIKTOK feed is hating on Damian Wayne, my favorite main robin. Yay. Gotta love how he's... Biologically Bruce's... The replacement to Tim and... Bad vibes.

I fucking hate this shut up. This is why I hate Tim at this rate is because I want to get as far away from these fans as possible. Breaking news: Tim stole the title too. Also Tim wasn't even the first person to figure out Bruce's identity. That was Barbara. Cass did it too. Carrie Kelley kinda did it in her own way ffs. I get you're upset that white guy got snubbed, but that's what happens with legacy characters. They get replaced. "he really didn't get the love" oh, and how many runs has he had compared to the other Robins? How has he been allowed to be robin? Maybe he could be an interesting character if y'all would let him fucking grow up but no. He has to be the robin because he's the one rich white guy in the goddamn pantheon. Imagine if people acted this way about Steph. I'm so tired of Tim Drake as a character I wish I could just go delete him from continuity and replace him with Carrie Kelley. "oh but his Robin run only lasted 100 issues" have you ever heard of "women" before? Batgirl 2000 didn't get that far. That's arguably one of the greatest runs in Batfam history. Tim Drake has had constant representation while I don't know when Steph will appear as a main character again. Shut up shut up shut up. I can't scroll through most DC tags BC half the stuff has #tim Drake for some goddamn reason.

[gonnalosemydougdimmadomedamnmind]

I deserve financial compensation every time I have to read a post that posits that Jason is actually the good big brother that's there for his siblings and Dick is the big mean golden child that can do whatever he wants and turns his siblings away when they need help. I'd have like a gajillion dollars now.

This bothers me so much specifically because it's the exact opposite of canon, in Dick's case anyway. Ain't nobody going to Jason for help in the first place. I really can't get past the backwards logic of it all. No, the utter lack of logic. Like it's the Exact Opposite.... The Exact Opposite!!! How did you come to this conclusion???

Well, I mean, I know- you don't read the comics AND you take everything at face value. I get it, when I first entered the fandom- the way people talk about Dick and Jason and Tim and Damian? They'd have you believe that Jason and Tim were delivered to Earth by angels with a chorus singing in the heavens and a light following them everywhere their delicate, innocent feet went. Everything they do is either Justified or Morally Correct. Nothing is Ever Their Fault. They deserve your sympathy and awe, and nothing short of worship is an attack on their character. They'd have you believe that Dick is a Monster, that Everything is his fault, that he's an inherently bad and selfish person because He Tried but He Didn't Devote Himself Entirely to Jason and Tim and Thats Bad and He Deserves To Be Punished For It and that Damian is a Demon, that he's always going to make the choice that serves himself and hurts others, that even though he's a 10 year old boy with a complicated, abusive upbringing, Everything is His Fault Entirely and He Doesn't Deserve Understanding or Mercy.

That's what you see and hear when you enter this fandom. And unless you actually read the comics or do the research by looking through blogs with meta commentary on the comics (with panels provided) or interact with fan media that is based on the comics And Not The Fanon- this is the false opinion that remains.

It drives me crazy that people refuse to engage with the actual canon of something they claim to be a fan of. What are you a fan of if you have no idea what you're talking about? It drives me crazy, because theres so much of this fanon content, you have to literally dig and dig and dig and dig and dig and dig to find the truth. And the truth is so Unbelievably, Undeniably

Not That.

In fact, in most cases whatever you read- the opposite is what actually happened. Or what you read is Entirely Made Up to make one character, (Dick and Damian), look bad in order to prop up the other character, (Jason and Tim). Then people get angry when you point that out, for ruining 'the fun' or their false perception of their fave character. Well I'm angry for having to do it in the first place.

[armed-with-a-waffle-iron]

Tim stans look at him and see the smartest, most competent Robin to have ever robined. I see Stephanie's bratty richboy ex who's been beefing with a 10 year old she babysits, for the past 15 years.

Tim, what are you doing, mate? That's a fucking 10 year old.

That's the same fucking kid playing in a bouncy castle, Tim!