#Colette the love of Cain's life

[drulalovescas]

Nah, because they didn't even introduce Abel, THE Abel, but they created a completely new character, Colette, the love of Cain's life and then paralleled her with Cas.

[unhinged-jackles]

thinking about insane canon shit that happened in supernatural and the number 1 “jesus fucking christ I can’t believe they did that” moment for me was them creating the fictional non biblical character colette, the love of cain’s life, so cas can be paralleled to her in dean’s trajectory with the mark

like cas is not dean’s colette, cas IS colette because colette doesn’t exist!!! at all!!! they made her up!!!

they chose not to add in a best friend for cain, instead the writers wrote in a lover they wrote in a lover who only ever asked cain to stop and then we get dean beating cas bloody and cas only ever asks dean to please just stop

I will never ever in a million years get over this

[insanesonofabitch]

How am I supposed to function like a normal human being when I’ve been made aware of the existence of destiel? Everytime I get close to being slightly functional, I’m reminded of shit like how someone wrote a script wherein Cas gets his very own personal heaven—a room full of half-naked pictures (some real and some badly edited) of Dean Winchester. Or how later on in the series, in another script draft of another episode, Cas gets shown another “heaven on earth” scenario where he spreads his wings full while, for some reason, specified to be shirtless in front of Dean. Or how Dean was supposed to confess his love to Cas way back in season 8. Or how his relationship with Benny and the then presumed dead Cas is paralleled to Amelia’s relationship with Sam and her then presumed dead husband. “Are we still talking about Sam, or did you break up with someone too?” Or how Dean was supposed to relive the life of Cain in reverse and kill Cas like Cain killed his wife Colette, while Cas and Colette are paralleled to each other, with how they both ask Dean and Cain to stop the killings right as they’re about to die by the hands of the ones they love. Or how they made several people imply and straight up tell Dean and Cas to their faces that they’re in love with each other and not once, not once does any of the both of them ever deny it. And how several times, over and over again, their enemies use this “more profound bond” against them. “You’re hoping Castiel would return to you. I admire your loyalty. I only wish he felt the same way.” “But then, his true weakness is revealed.” “Don’t lose it over one man.” “I’m gonna cure you of your human weakness.” “You blast me away you blast away every angel in the room.” “There comes a point where every relationship has run its course.” “Oh sweet. Cas, he’s dead. All the way dead. Because of you.” “There is nothing for you back there.” Or how Dean subtly references a queer movie while referring to Cas and himself as the queer main characters of the said queer movie…who were, by the way, in a relationship with each other. Or how they made Cas confess but killed him right off, and then soon later killed Dean off and implied he doesn’t pursue romantic relationships ever again, and never have him actually experience the life outside the “hamster wheel” that he fought for because they knew he could NEVER be happy living the unnamed wife one kid “normal” apple-pie life that they originally planned for him.

Or how part of the people behind this show actually fought for their story to be told because you CANNOT make all of this without someone, at the very least one person actively writing, portraying, or depicting them with the intention of telling a queer love story.

And then what? So I’m just supposed to ignore and gloss over and move on from all of this along with so much more like the show already did on the regular?

[eisforeidolon]

Forgive me for restating the obvious, but I was reading through an old post and it just kind of hit me in a way it hadn't before: One of hellers' most fundamental disconnects with the show (and media literacy in general) is how they try to insist parallels establish romance.

SPN used parallels to couples and romantic tropes a lot in regards to the brothers. But it was never meant as a signal that they were romantically in love or to tell you something you otherwise couldn't figure out. It was to underline what we already knew from the entire rest of the story about how they were the most important people in each other's lives. It used romantic relationships because that's a central status typically reserved only for romantic relationships - that was part of the point.

Let's take an example or two. Dean compares himself and Sam to Jesse and Cesar from The Chitters. After interacting with them for a while, Dean is like, 'Haha, you fight just like brothers, almost as bad as Sam and me' and they say that it's more like an old married couple. This is Dean comparing an exact thing that actually happens between him and Sam, silly petty bickering, to something that exactly happens between a married couple. Likewise, let's take Dean's expression and the script note he's thinking about Sam's close call in Red Meat. Michelle is talking about watching the man she loves die and how nothing can be the same, and Dean is thinking about how he believed he lost Sam earlier that same episode and reacting to what she's saying. No one is under the impression that these are signposts telling you for the very first time that Sam and Dean are weirdly, claustrophobically close in a way that compares to romantic couples. They're quick moments which draw an underline on what you already know from the way they've acted towards each other for the entire preceding (and following) length of the show. If you cut either of those moments? It would change nothing about what we understand of Sam and Dean's relationship, because that's how using parallels in storytelling actually works.

Hellers want to insist that romantic couples and tropes being parallels to D/C in and of itself proves that D/C is romantic. Why else would SPN use couples and romantic tropes?!? Well, because SPN does that all the fucking time, maybe? Which is even before you get into how superficial the basis for their supposed parallels typically are.

Let's take an example or two. Hellers want to insist that Dean and Castiel were paralleled to David and Violet from Bloodlines because and I shit you not, one of them wore a tan coat. As well as the absurdly generic dialogue line, "I was there, where were you?" being used both in the backdoor pilot and in 6x20 by Dean. Aha! David and Violet are clearly stand-ins for Dean and Cas, and they were planning to run away together, so D/C is clearly romantic, BOOM! Except literally nothing about Dean and Castiel's actual relationship lines up with that. In no sense were Dean and Castiel ever planning to run away from their families together - not at the point where Dean was calling Castiel out for pretending he didn't know where Dean was if he really wanted advice or otherwise. Unlike the actual parallels with Sam and Dean, there is no underlying narrative base. Likewise, hellers want to insist that Castiel is Dean's Colette. Aha! Cain said Dean is living his life in reverse, and he killed Collette last and his brother first, so since he said Dean would kill Castiel before Sam, Castiel=Colette, and Colette was a romantic partner, so Dean lurves the angel! BOOM! Just for the sake of being pedantic, let's break this nonsense down one more time. Cain lists Crowley as well as Castiel as people Dean will kill before Sam. Collette was special to Cain because she saw everything he was, never gave up on him, and was able to get him to drop the blade. Which is literally what Sam does during the time Dean has the Mark - meanwhile Castiel tries to get Dean to not go and slaughter the Stynes and fails and is ready to give up and kill Dean after he goes demonic. Which doesn't even get into the part where ... Cain is literally just wrong in telling his little fairy tale. Dean is not him. When given the choice of killing his brother, Cain does it. When given the choice of losing control, Cain does it. Dean tries to get Death to shoot him into outer space and then kills Death rather than actually kill Sam. Dean and Dean's love for his brother are both far stronger than Cain is capable of understanding. So the parallel life thing? Is fundamentally hooey anyway. Again, there's no narrative there for a parallel to be drawing an underline on because none of their cobbled together meta resembles anything going on in the actual text. That's not how storytelling uses parallels or any other kind of subtext, by creating something entirely separate and expecting the general audience to decipher it. Though it's no surprise they try to insist that a show would do that, because they have nothing else.

TLDR; Their entire argument is that a comparison to a romantic couple makes two other characters' relationship automagically romantic because reasons. Which even putting aside the lack of validity in their parallels ... continues to be a boldly idiotic statement given the number of actually textual comparisons the show makes between Sam & Dean and romantic couples. Again, it's no wonder they freaked the fuck out over that forehead touch, because they very fundamentally refused to understand what SPN was actually doing on literally any level.

[clairenatural]

If I think about cas being colette for too long I start to go insane like they really said hello here is a textual and explicit and exact parallel between dean and castiel, and cain and his unconditional romantic lover. his WIFE. they said hello welcome to my heterosexual tv show! the great love of cain's life, in this scenario, is cas to dean :) top 5 things IN THE TEXT that they did that would inarguably have made deancas canon in a world that was just and fair

[angelsdean]

i know the people who don't wanna hear it and just wanna stay bitter aren't going to care but everything about the akrida queen / joan was a pretty clear parallel to DEAN. she was literally his dark mirror. a hunter who lost everything, who's whole life was torn apart by monsters, who felt cheated out of having a life of her own, separate from the "cause" of saving people, hunting things. she even talked about how it was always one apocalypse after the other. so, she got power-hungry. tried to change her story, got sealed away in another dimension (hello empty parallels) to contain her, then found the akrida and used them to help her in her quest to destroy humanity. she's literally a warning of which way dean's story could have gone. and the thing that broke her? the thing that started her whole revenge quest: losing her parents, her brother, and "her william" aka her LOVE. and what did dean lose? he lost his parents / family (bobby). he lost his brother (bc dean died first so, he lost so many more yrs they could've had together). AND he lost cas. cas who's always been in a category of his own. "his cas." he lost his love. that parallel was SO LOUD to me and also in true prequel fashion of using the winchesters characters to mirror and parallel and allude to DEAN and HIS story. that was our nod to cas and frankly? i'm happy for it because once again (like the cain/colette parallels and so many others) cas is being paralleled at the love interest to dean's mirror !!

[hallowthyname]

woke up today thinking about season 10 mark of cain arc again. i know it’s been said but literally what was the point what was the purpose “hello i am cain, famous for killing my brother abel, except never do i speak of abel ever & he isn’t even cast but instead here is my oc wife colette, who is the love of my life & exists solely so i can kill her painfully and then parallel that with dean killing cas” what was the PURPOSE what was the POINT. none of these words are in the bible

[quietwingsinthesky]

Stop I thought too long about the Cain & Benny/Colette & Andrea parallels and now I’m hurting. To be drawn to a calmer life by love, to choose to settle down with them, and then through loving them, damning them. Cutting down everything in your path to save the person you gave up killing for, only to get there too late. Only to deal the final blow yourself.

[drulalovescas]

Supernatural would be like DESTIEL DOESN’T EXIST YOU CRAZY PERVERTS and then they'd introduce fictional Colette, the love of Cain's life, and parallel her with Cas.

[lab-rat-girls]

Hey this is an alternative blog for @gmanwhore to irl post! I might like. Put canon calls on here occasionally but it will mostly be me talking about my memories. My irl list is below, shifts happen randomly. Especially important ones will be green.

Oh yeah as a whole you can call us the Rainbow Collective. The lovers, the dreamers, and me if you will.

Icon by me!!!!!!

Half Life/Portal/HLVRAI:

G’: he thinks he’d blow our minds; g’ (starman by david bowie)

Ga-men: imaginary line imaginary minds; ga-men (labrynth by miracle musical)

Evil G-man: and by your judgement of my merit I’ll iherit nothing; e.g. (inherit nothing by phemiec)

Dr. Colette Green call me for your lover’s alibi; colette (call me by blondie)

Dr. Wallace Breen: how many milligrams of you are still left in there?; breen (marsha, thank you for the dialects but I need you to leave now by will wood)

Caroline: the devil likes to make my heart a double bed; caroline (Hermit The Frog by MARINA)

Barney Calhoun: kneeling in the stained glass tomb; barney (your body, my temple by will wood)

Gordon Freeman: you don't know me I am the only son; freeman (Dust Bowl Dance by Mumford and Sons)

Russel; we wrote some songs by the lamplight's gas!; russel (Ragtime Punk by Abney Park)

Cave Johnson: and I love me; cave (kiss me, son of god by they might be giants)

Gordon Feetman: read me my rights please!; feetman (6up 5oh cop out (pro/con) by will wood)

Bubby: come and go out my mind; bubby (2econd 2ight 2eer (that was fun, goodbye!) by will wood)

Danganronpa:

Kiyondo Ishida: you’ve gotta wanna break the hearts of all those pretty porcelain dolls; kiyondo (wrecking ball by mother mother)

Kiyotaka Ishimaru: don't you make me waste my breath!; taka (Marsha, Thankk You For the Dialects but I Need You To Leave Now by Will Wood)

Makoto Naegi: i’ll find strength in pain; makoto (the cave by mumford and sons)

Celestia Ludenburg: her kiss will bring you to your knees; celeste (vampire by the orion experience)

Hiyoko Saionji: when I rule the world; hiyoko (when I rule the world by liz)

Homestuck:

Karkat Vantas: my name was soiled by a last call spill; karkat (hand me my shovel, I’m going in by will wood)

Rose Lalonde: I’m afraid I can’t prescribe the diagnoses you seek; rose (marsha, thank you for the dialects but I need you to leave now by will wood)

Roxy Lalonde: you’re telling me I’m holding up eleven fingers?; roxy (...well, better than the alternative by will wood)

Jake English: I might rap like an english chap; jake (Welcome to Tally Hall by Tally Hall)

John/June Egbert: like action movie hero boy (Action Movie Hero Boy by Lemon Demon)

Aradia Medigo: and as your gasping for the last of air you'll tra la la la la; aradia

Equius Zahhak: the ship doesn't swerve as it heard how big the iceberg is; equius (Surface Pressure from Encanto)

Mituna Captor: I don't care what we do I wanna get all dolled up with you!; mituna (All Dolled Up by The Orion Experience)

Doc Scratch: you understand mechanical hands are the rulers of everything; doc scratch (Ruler of Everything by Tally Hall)

I ♡ Amy:

Amy Lee: all those pretty words you say to me pick me up whenever I’m feeling down; amy (queen of white lies by the orion experience)

The Walten Files:

Felix Walten: murders of murderers living in fear of it; felix (murders by miracle musical)

Boozoo

Bon

The Owl House:

Luz Noceda: i wanna live better days; luz (could have been me by the struts)

The Collector: I can run faster with no wind resistance!; the collector (no wind resistance! by kinneret)

Popee The Performer:

Papi: I can’t ignore what’s under dance floorboards; papi (2econd 2ight 2eer (that was fun, goodbye!) by will wood)

Popee: so squeal like a troll or cry like a baby with autism strapped to a celling fan!; popee (thermodynamic lawyer esq. Gfd by will wood)

The Amazing Digital Circus:

Pomni: please please what the hell is going on; pomni (help me by or3o)

Caine: nothing matters anymore; caine (a chattering lack of common sense by GHOST)

Fionna and Cake:

Fionna Campbell: there will come a soldier who carries a mighty sword; fionna (soldier, poet, king by the oh hellos)

The Scarab: never came down from her last trip on jesus; scarab the god auditor (thermodynamic laywer ESQ. GFD by will wood)

Candy Queen: feels so neat never wanna be myself again; candy queen (sweet by phemiec)

Slugterra:

Pronto Geronimole: so spread the word across the land; pronto (the cult of dionysus by the orion experience)

A Series of Unfortunate Events:

Lemony Snicket: when all hell breaks loose like all hells always do; lemony (your body, my temple by will wood)

Team Fortress 2 (note for these two it is just the classes, not the characters):

PNK Pyro: you must detroy beyond all recognition; pyro/sparky (burn him down by kitsch club)

PNK Medic: my heart is in my hand...eugh; medic/doll (the masochism tango by tom lehrir)

Miss Pauling: left foot over the right; miss pauling

PNK Spy: the roar of whispers in every crowd; charlotte/spy

PNK Soldier: you gotta wanna be a battering ram!; Sam/soldier

Saxton Hale: SAXTON HAAALE

Red Scout: I was born with the brains and the brawn!; scout

Grey Mann: the world screams kiss me some of God!; grey mann

Doctor Who:

Brigadier Alastair Lethbridge Stewart: the crew stayed at their posts and the captain at his wheel; brigadier (the wrath of fate by abney park)

Ace: hello world I’m your wild girl; ace (cherry bomb by the runaways)

Adric: (tag pending lol)

B.O.S.S: Colonal Walter was shocked when he heard from the Nile; B.O.S.S.

Undertale/Deltarune:

Susie: my dreams are getting so strange I could tell you everything I see; susie (ballroom blitz by sweet)

Gaster: there was only one of you until you split the world in two; gaster (dr. gaster by shadrow) 

Flowey: your best friend; flowey (yeah just his theme)

Don't Hug Me I'm Scared:

Yellow Guy: I say “pardon me I’m dancing for no reason!”; yellow guy (make believe by steam powered giraffe)

Lesley: No matter how we twist and turn, we're still dancing in chains; lesley (her little song. yeah)

Five Nights at Freddy's:

The Marionette: you had a heart you hadn't felt; puppet

Sundrop: I'm walking on sunshine!; sundrop

Micheal Afton: look at this loser drinking coffee; micheal (it’s gonna get weird from gravity falls)

Circus Baby: try your best to hold onto to sanity; circus baby (join us for bite by jt music)

Ballora: to dance to spin to fly away; ballora (her song. lol)

Bendy and the Ink Machine:

Sammy Lawrence: i try to play Caruso but the needle skips the groove; sammy (The Haunted Phonograph by Thoushaltnot)

Bertrum Piedmont: don't you know you have to be this tall to die; bertrum (Art of Darkness by The Stupendium)

Daniel "Buddy" Lewick: dreams do come true; buddy

Henry Stein: he will set us free; henry

The Ink Demon: I can't believe you used to truly scare me; the ink demon

Hatchetfield Trilogy

Professor Henry Hidgens: spotlight on mr. ingenuie; professor hidgens (Show Stoppin Numder from TGWDLM)

Webby: harlequin dolls he'd be lost without her; webby (concertina ballerina by alternative radio)

General John McNamara: it is the monsters who should live in dread; john mcnamara (monsters and men from black friday)

Ruth Fleming: should I let the coals burn out; ruth fleming (just for once from nerdy prudes must die)

Ride the Cyclone

Wiggog Y'rath: whatever we want we get!; wiggly (the summoning from nerdy prudes must die)

Paul Matthews: I DON'T LIKE MUSICALS; paul

The Amazing Karnak: the sun is rising as it is descending; karnak (karnak’s dream of life from ride the cyclone)

Noel Gruber: I sing songs until the break of dawn; noel (noel’s lament from ride the cyclone)

Doki Doki Literature Club

Natsuki: let’s make something to adore; natsuki (cupcake circulation by strawberrysana)

Fran Bow

Itward: hear my voice; itward (be born by tally hall)

Helltaker

Beelzebub: honey do you have a hot meal?; beelzebub (your body, my temple by will wood)

Hazbin Hotel:

Nifty: stitch sew cut pull; nifty (housewife radio by GHOST)

Lucifer: devil's in the house of the rising sun; lucifer (the devil went down to georgia)

Emily: now I know what's real what's fake; emily (rather sleep by Kero Kero Bonito)

Charlie: I can't fear you now!; charlie

Lackadaisy:

Rocky: golly what a day!; rocky (oo-de-lally from robin hood)

Freckles/Calvin: uhhh still gotta think up a tag

Chainsaw Man:

Denji: I wanna fuck shit up!;denji

Subway Surfers:

Frank: he'll get by without his rabbit pie; frank

Poppy Playtime:

The Prototype: it seems she broke me but I swear she can go fucking die; prototype

Elliot Ludwig: in a world of pure imagination; elliot ludwig

Poppy: let's sing it again!; poppy

Dogday: I'd like to know why you are all alone while I am lost at sea; dogday

You're Not My Neighbour:

Scarlet Milkman: and I'm starving!; francis

Francis Mosses: been a hell of a ride but I'm thinking it's time to go; milkman

Miscellaneous:

Nacha Mikaelys: times square doesn't shine as bright as you; nacha

Mclooy Rudboys: we're the terror of the skies and a danger to ourselves; mclooy

Izaak Guass: you're a toymaker's creation trapped inside a crystal ball!; izaak

The Sun (The Embodiment of Selfish Destruction)

Deity (The Embodiment of Decadence and Lust)

Homestuck AU Caroline: your eyes are dead like outer space; caroline

Wavesprite: shutup you're stupid; wavesprite

Homestuck AU Colette: call me fighter!; hs colette

Sunshine: I am not the sunshine I am not the moon at night; sunshine

Cabinet Man: I won't hurt you unless you cheat; cabinet man

Bones: your baby teeth would pray for you; bones/tommy

Terezi Vantas: they will tear your city down; t vantas

Karkat Medigo: it's the fate of the stars; k. medigo

[antigonewinchester]

Taking a bit of a break from my Gadreel / Trials meta to look more at the Mark of Cain arc. I’ve not seen much recent meta about the Mark and what’s going on with Dean in the narrative at this point, which also gives me some more analytical space to work in here. Felt like with my Gadreel / Trials thoughts, I was at best starting to just riff off of what others had written, and at worst just repeating what others had already argued better than me, and that’s no fun for anyone.

First, I’ve been trying to sort through the writers’s overall framing around Dean and violence, particularly post-Kripke. At the time when the Mark became a plot point on the show in season 9, the writers seemed to see Dean as a uniquely violent character, drawn to brutality and killing in a way that Sam (and somewhat Cas) were not.

The theme of Dean being violent is a thread that goes far back in the show. For example, there’s the exchange at the end 02x03, “Bloodlust,” which shows a dynamic of Dean drawn to violence and Sam questioning it:

DEAN What if we killed things that didn't deserve killing? You know? I mean, the way Dad raised us…

SAM Dean, after what happened to Mom, Dad did the best he could.

DEAN I know he did. But the man wasn't perfect. And the way he raised us, to hate those things; and man, I hate 'em. I do. When I killed that vampire at the mill I didn't even think about it; hell, I even enjoyed it.

SAM You didn't kill Lenore.

DEAN No, but every instinct told me to. I was gonna kill her. I was gonna kill 'em all.

SAM Yeah, Dean, but you didn't. And that's what matters.

DEAN Yeah. Well, 'cause you're a pain in my ass.

SAM Guess I might have to stick around to be a pain in the ass, then.

However, after this episode and over the rest of the Kripke era, Sam, Dean and their relationships to violence continues to evolve. Dean’s violent side is balanced by his hidden sensitivity and protective streak, while Sam’s innocent side is balanced by his hidden ruthlessness and drive for revenge. Over seasons 1 – 5, Dean gradually begins to question his violence and eventually expresses a desire to leave the hunting life, while Sam gradually becomes more violent, increasingly driven by his (both metaphorical & literal) thirst for retribution.

Post-season 5, however, Dean and his violence becomes a focus of the narrative again, often contrasted with Sam and Cas as less violent foils. Although both Sam and Cas have their violent moments, such as soulless!Sam in season 6 and Cas as Godstiel in season 7, Dean and his violence are especially highlighted within the story. For instance, Dean is presented as a “killer” while Sam and Cas are not, even though they also kill. Soulless!Sam is even framed this way in season 6, through the lens of Dean as a killer:

DEAN I thought [Soulless!Sam] was a monster. But now I think… [...]

DEAN He's just acting like me. [...]

DEAN No. But what I'm good at... is slicing throats. I ain't a father. I'm a killer. And there's no changing that. I know that now.

The Mark of Cain arc often presents Dean’s violence as something tainted or pathological; occasionally in season 10, Sam and Cas will use violence in a similar way to Dean, but only Dean’s violence will be pointed out by the narrative as something bad. During this arc, Dean is directly paralleled to Cain, the world’s literal first murderer, while Sam and Cas get paralleled to Colette, Cain’s loving and non-violent wife, with Sam also being linked to Abel, the world’s first victim. In season 11, Dean is explicitly linked to Amara, the amoral embodiment of destruction, with Sam more indirectly linked to Chuck, the embodiment of creation as God. While Dean is ultimately presented as ‘better’ than both Cain and Amara, overcoming the Mark’s curse unlike Cain and letting go of his resentments and choosing family unlike Amara (and in fact helping Amara to do so herself at the end of season 11), these parallels do frame Dean as a particularly dark figure within the story. And as I understand, the Dean as “killer” idea doesn’t resolve at the end of the Mark of Cain arc, as one might expect thematically, but continues on thru to the end of the show.

This thematic consistency makes it harder for me to sort through why the framing of Dean as violent works in earlier seasons but doesn’t feel the same to me in later ones. While this meta is going to be me thinking aloud, so my thoughts may change or shift as I go along, what I’ve come to so far is this: unlike most of the early Kripke seasons, later seasons decontextualize Dean’s violence from the ways he was coerced into violence in both childhood and adulthood, with the attention instead placed on Dean as being an innately violent person.

I want to talk about this idea first as it relates to Dean’s time in Hell and how I see that connection as an important part of the Mark of Cain arc.

[insanesonofabitch]

“And when you finally turn…”

“…and you will turn. Everyone you know, everyone you love, they could be long dead.”

“Everyone except me.”

S10EP22 “The Prisoner”

This line makes me so insane not only because of the idea of it happening, but precisely because it’s not happening. He’s wrong and Dean knows he’s wrong. Because Cain already told him his destiny:

“Have you ever mused upon the fact that you’re living my life in reverse?” “…and then you’d kill the Angel Castiel now THAT ONE. That, I suspect, would hurt something awful.”

He’s living Cain’s life in reverse. And he’d kill Cas, like Cain killed Colette. Not only was Cas (supposedly) not going to live, he’s going to die by Dean’s hands and Dean knew this. As he grabs Cas by the tie and points the blade towards him, Dean knew this. As Cas holds on to his arm and asks him to stop the same way he was told Colette asked Cain, Dean knew this. And he tries to deny it and he tries to ignore it but his guilt reminds him even in his dreams.

“Looks like you’ve got an admirer.”

“You sure it ain’t you?”

S10E23 “Brother’s Keeper” (deleted scene)

Cas was supposed to die just like that and Chuck would’ve probably skimmed over it like it was nothing so he could focus on his favorite part of the story, the brothers. And he couldn’t achieve it this time but ultimately, it’s what happens at the end of the story.

[paragonred]

Sorry if I’m misremembering, but doesn’t Abbadon seem to be portrayed as a sort of spurned lover to Cain as well? So the whole “living my life in reverse” bit doesn’t just apply to the Colette parallels/Destiel, but also further cements the Drowley “summer of love”.

That, and the fact that Crowley saving Cas in 10x03 is also the reverse of Abbadon killing Colette.

[infinitydeancas]

Wait just a minute...

Cain just said that Dean was going to experience what he did, but only backwards.

Cain had to kill his brother, then Colette, then the Knights of hell.

Dean was told he was going to kill Crowley, then castiel, then Sam.

Colette was the love of Cain's life.

What the fuck does that say for Dean and castiel?

Castiel is Dean's Colette❤️

[sortasirius]

what makes you think the writers want deancas? not trying to be an asshole, i'm just genuinely curious as to why you think that. i know berens' episodes are pretty heavy with subtext so i can see why you'd say that he wants it, but i'm not so sure about the rest of the writers/dabb. it seems like meghan isn't a huge fan either, given her "they twisted it so fast" tweet :/ of course she's a very new writer (think she's only writing one ep this season?) but still

OKAY this is a great question, welcome to my dissertation.

I’m going to address the end of your question first. Meghan is actually DeanCas positive, she has been for quite a long time. She actually, a few years back, posted a picture of her reading a literal book about Destiel and captioned it “writing reading” or something like that.

This whole thing just comes out of a boiling over of tensions because of how nasty fandom twitter can be. Like I said here, I think this has just gotten blown out of proportion, they shouldn’t have posted all this randomly disparaging stuff, but also like...can you blame them? The fandom is a lot, we always have been, and they’re probably also under a gag order not to talk about the finale, and are annoyed that people keep asking.

So nah, Meg is not anti Destiel.

To the first part!! So let’s take a look at the show runners since Cas has been around.

Seasons 4 and 5: Kripke

Seasons 6 and 7: Gamble

Seasons 8-11ish: Carver

Seasons 11ish-15: Dabb

So starting with Kripke. Okay, yes, I will be the first to admit that we have some pretty incredible Destiel moments in these seasons, but it’s less directly written into the plot and much more from Misha and Jensen’s uhhhh ~chemistry~. The only times it was directly written into the script was when the episode was handled by someone like Edlund (“On The Head Of A Pin,” “The End,” “My Bloody Valentine”). And you have to remember, if in season 5, there are moments here and there where you’re like huh that’s suspiciously romantic dialogue, remember that Cas took Anna’s place. Anna was supposed to be endgame for Dean, but due to a myriad of issues and Misha’s general greatness, Anna was replaced with Cas.

Onto 6 and 7. Hmmm. Gamble. 6 and 7 are my two least favorite seasons and that’s no secret, and that’s not only due to the plain old weird shit in the overall storyline, but also that homegirl killed off Cas in s7 and then Bobby like four episodes later. (Also it ALWAYS rubbed me the wrong way they couldn’t have Baby in that season lol). We still had some great DeanCas moments, but again, it wasn’t really written into the overall arc (until they had to change the end of season 7 because of tanking ratings and bring Misha back lol, anyone remember the fact that Dean kept Cas’ jacket and would randomly dream of him? Yeah.). But we still had those moments, those distinctly romantic moments, probably the best example in these two seasons is from Edlund again, specifically “The Man Who Would be King,” I wrote a little about that here.

We move onto Carver, who gave us, at this point, the most overt DeanCas season with season 8 (season gr8 is a better name imo), and this is the first time Dean and Cas’ relationship is directly written as an arc of the season.  I mean, you have everything in Purgatory, Dean “seeing” Cas everywhere, the fact that he felt so guilty that Cas stayed in Purgatory that he manipulated his own memories to think that he was the one that failed Cas, because he couldn’t comprehend that Cas would want to leave him, and let’s not forget Dean snapping Cas out of Naomi’s hold on him in “Goodbye Stranger.”  It was a very obvious shift, not enough to alert the general audience, but more than enough for most of us in fandom.

It’s also important to note that this is when Andrew stopped co writing with Loflin and started writing his own episodes (”Hunter Heroici” anyone?)  I like Loflin fine, but Dabb was able to stretch his legs a little bit more once he stopped co-writing, and we also began to see some DeanCas themes in his solo episodes.

In any case, them and their issues being a big part of the seasons continued with Carver, and Berens entered the scene, his first episode (”Heaven Can’t Wait”) is one of my favorites, with human Cas and the fanfiction gap and Dean and Cas just generally being awkward and funny and sweet.  This is Bobo’s FIRST episode, remember that.  He comes right out of the gate with it.

Also in Season 9, this is when Dean takes the Mark of Cain, and the Cas/Colette mirror is born, so obviously, Dean and Cas are the fabric of the season once again.  This is also the season where Metatron says Cas is “in love with humanity,” and then immediately refers to Dean as Humanity so uhhhh yeah.

Onto season 10, Dabb and Berens continue with their greatness (I could write pages on the DeanCas date in “The Things We Left Behind” alone).  And then we have one of the best scenes in the entire show in “The Prisoner” where the Cas/Colette mirror continues and Dean, driven by grief and pain and rage and the Mark, still doesn’t kill Cas.  He still can’t kill Cas.

Season 11 is important because it takes choice away from both Cas and Dean, and shows us, as the audience, how much losing each other takes out of them. We saw in season 10 how much losing Dean takes from Cas, but what about Cas losing Dean?  Dean loses his choice with his connection to Amara this season, and loses even more when Lucifer reveals he’s been possessing Cas, and plays on Dean’s connection to Cas like a mockery.  It’s also worth noting that, similarly to season 8, Dean breaks out of the connection with Amara when he’s worried about Cas, and that’s something that even SHE is surprised by.

But then season 12, the beginning to the Renaissance.  This is when we get the writer’s that become important for what Dean and Cas are today, and, truly, why I believe they want canon Destiel as much as we do.

This is the first season with Dabb’s writers: Davy Perez, Meredith Glynn, Steve Yockey, and of course Bobo all come in with their incredible talents and gave us episode after episode of good content.  “Lily Sunder Has Some Regrets” is probably my favorite, probably the best example of what I’m saying.  An episode where Dean is called out by an enemy directly, told to “roll the dice” on Cas’ life.  And Dean won’t, it’s not even really a hesitation.  And this comes from a character that has known Dean for ten seconds.  I also wrote more in depth about this episode here.  There are also some.....distinctly domestic details we get this season, specifically in “The Future” (written by Berens and Glynn) with the mixtape.  The most tropey of tropes mixtape.  Yeah, I’ll just leave that one here.

And then season 12 ends with Cas’ death, but also with the parallel between Sam and Dean with Jess and Cas.  Sam literally has to drag Dean away from Cas, just like Dean had to drag Sam out of his burning apartment in the pilot.  The episode drives it home in every way that it can: Dean is the one left kneeling by Cas’ body, while Sam goes to find out what is upstairs.  Dean is the one who stares at the sky, finally broken.  This isn’t a random thing, this is Dean’s whole arc, it’s the entirety of the beginning of 13.  Dean’s pain, his anguish, his anger.

Season 13 starts with them burning Cas, with Dean, who has begged God to bring him back, who has split his knuckles punching a door, standing, staring at Cas’ pyre with brokenness on his face.

I mean.....

Anyway, season 13 is where it gets interesting (well, I think all of this is interesting but I’m a writer nerd so).  So Cas comes back from the Empty in “Advanced Thanatology” written by Steve Yockey, and then a wombo combo of “Tombstone” by Davy Perez next (”Brokebacknatural” as the PR said at the time).  Listen.  This is the part that SPN crossed a line that they couldn’t come back from.  With Cas being Dean’s “big win,” the fact that Dean and Cas watch movies together, “I told you, he’s an angry sleeper.  Like a bear.” Talked about it here.

This is where, in my opinion, the network stepped in, but the damage was already done.  They had already established that Cas was Dean’s big win, that Dean’s poor coping was not due to Mary’s disappearance, but solely due to Cas, and that Dean and Cas have more married energy than anyone else.  The network had nixed blatant canon at this point, and they writing room had been pushing the boundaries of what the network would allow. 

After these episodes, we see a marked drop off of DeanCas heavy scenes.  They’re still there, still a part of the fabric of the season, but not as...obvious as it had been in early season 13.

And this continued through season 14, we’re back to scraps of Destiel scenes here and there, but to me it always felt like there was something bubbling under the surface, something distinctly unsaid in the themes of the season, even after the walk back of obvious “Dean and Cas are in love” scenes.

And then we get to season 15, which, y’all know I talk about all the time.  What’s important here is that Bobo and Glynn are both executive producers, calling more of the shots than ever before.  Additionally, it’s important to note that, though they only co write occasionally, Glynn and Berens refer to each other as “work husband” and “work wife.”  Each episode has just turned up the volume, and, not for the first time, but certainly the most obvious, Dean and Cas ARE the season.  Sure, they’re trying to beat God, they’re trying to finally find peace, defeat the final big bad, but really?  This season has been about Dean, and Dean’s relationship to Cas.

And not only do we have obvious and clear Destiel in nearly every episode, but we have episodes like “Last Call” which canonize bi!Dean (wrote about that here).

And, maybe most importantly so far, we have “The Rupture,” the breakup, and “The Trap,” Dean’s confession (both written by Berens).  And here’s the thing.  These episodes feel connected, but also feel like they’re missing something.  Beren’s last episode is 15x18, “The Truth.”  We’ve all spec’ed about what could happen in this episode, and I think *I* know what it’s leading to.  But for it to be leading to that, it means that the network has to have approved what we’ve all been waiting for years for.

Who got this change to happen?  Who got the network to change their minds?  It wasn’t us.  It was them.  I am fully convinced that Dabb and Berens quite literally put their careers on the line for Dean and Cas.  They believe in them, they’ve shown that from the beginning, but the only thing standing in the way was the network, never allowing them to take the final step. 

So, to answer your question: I think the writers want canon DeanCas because they’ve already shown us that they do.  Take a look at their episodes, at Dabb’s, at Beren’s, at Glynn’s, at Perez’s, at Yockey’s.  They’ve been telling us what’s going on with Dean and Cas for years.

Sure, I’m not in their heads, I guess I don’t know for *sure* that this has been their thought process, but if we put it all together, from the marked shift when Dabb fully took over in s12, to the change right after “Tombstone,” to the new shift, the blatantly romantic shift in season 15, what else is there?

I’ve said for a long time that we, the SPN fandom, are beyond lucky to have the writer’s that we do.  They’re all going to go on to have prolific careers and we were lucky to get them at the end of our little show.  I give them a lot of credit for what we have in the show today.

Just remember, they’ve been telling us in all of s15 who Chuck is.  He says he’s the writer, right?  But a writer who doesn’t have control of his characters?  A writer who wants to do the same ending over and over because it “works”?  That doesn’t sound like a writer, it sounds like a network exec.

They’ve been showing us what they want for years, and the way s15 is going?  I think they may have convinced the network to let us have it.

[casmick-consequences]

Cas&Dean VS Claire&Jack

So I wrote [a small little theory] a while ago as to why I think Claire and Jack wouldn’t have been shown on screen together/have any connection throughout the show on-screen/off-screen at all. And so here I will some points as to why I think that is. 

AKA here’s the long awaited essay/conspiracy theory y’all have been asking for.

First of all; let me start off by saying this is 100% meant as a joke (no it’s not) and it’s not to be taken seriously (yes it is) as it’s literally just a dumb theory (it definitely isn’t). And second; fuck the C*W for contributing to every little bit of tinhatting this fandom (especially us hellers) has succumbed to.

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Now; for this theory we have to understand a few things:

How Dean and Cas work as individuals

How Claire and Jack work as individuals

How Dean and Cas work as a duo

Let’s start with the first two things.

How Dean and Cas work as individuals

Dean Winchester is a masculine, tough but loving hunter. He cultivates a “bad-boy personality”, and makes sarcastic jokes at even the most morbid times. Underneath, though, he's become hardened by life as a warrior (as Daddy’s blunt instrument, if you will). He’s been taught to fight his father’s battles, and protect the ones he loves and cares for. But soon began to see that neither of his parents (especially his dad) did the job they were given when they had children. He didn’t just have to be a brother; he had to be a father and mother. He’s had to grow walls around him to stay strong for his little brother, but over time, after making a family for himself, it became easier to tear those walls down. However, he has his weak spots and is an emotional and loving human being through and through.

Castiel, the Angel of Thursday, is an angel of the Lord. He’s lived for aeons, and as an angel has (just like Dean) been taught to fight the battles of his creator and father. He’s a warrior, and he’s been given the job to follow the orders of said creator. Only for those orders to be thrown out the window once he meets Dean Winchester. The man who showed him that hate and anger isn’t always the true answer and that you can choose to be good. Everything that he has been taught slowly breaks away as his hard exterior crumbles, and he develops into a being with emotions, as he slowly but eventually learns to love and care for this man, and with that; humanity.

How Claire and Jack work as individuals

Claire Novak, a woman who has lead a tragic life, where she lost both her parents early on. Her father said yes to be the (permanent) vessel of an Angel, and her mother just disappeared after dropping her off to her Grandmother. After the grandmother had passed away, she was left alone. She had to fight through the world on her own, as she put a wall around herself to make herself stronger for the people around her. It took a while before she found her place in a loving family filled with strong women, who didn’t just help bring her walls down, but build a home instead.

Jack Kline is an innocent, naive but loving Nephilim. The son of the human Kelly Kline and the archangel Lucifer. He was destined for evil, as a Nephilim is one of the most powerful creatures in existence. But, with the help of his three Godfathers (heh), he learns that he doesn’t have to be evil. He can be whatever he wants to be. Controlling his powers has been hard, but no matter what happened, his mindset never changed as he grew to love the people and love the things around him. His biological father saw his power, but his chosen father saw his kind soul. Castiel believed he could create paradise, and he did, as he became the God that the universe deserved.

There are alot of parallels between Dean/Claire and Jack/Cas that can be compared to here. Let me show you a few:

So we’ve established that with Claire being Dean-coded, and Jack being Cas-coded, there could’ve definitely been potential for a cute Claire/Jack dynamic in the show. Why wouldn’t they have done that, you think? Perhaps this question can be answered when we look at thing number 3:

How Dean and Cas work as a duo

Destiel is the relationship between the hunter Dean and the angel Castiel. Castiel was ordered by God to free him from Hell, and afterwards he was supposed to do as he was told while Dean was supposed to figure out how to “stop the apocalypse” which happened to be a bunch of garbo afterwards knowing what we know now. Nonetheless, Castiel didn’t listen, as he quickly grew fond of the hunter and, because of him, developed a sense of emotion and free will. This lead to Castiel helping Dean throughout the Apocalypse, and beyond, and they’ve been best friends ever since.

There have been MULTIPLE essays on Tumblr about how this relationship works, and it would be silly of me to try and summarize stuff that hasn’t been said a million times already. But basically; What they have is quite a bit more than best friendship. It has been confirmed in 15x18, Despair, that Castiel has been in love with Dean for quite some time, as Dean’s own feelings are kind of all over the place. Nothing has been confirmed, yet nothing has been denied. But, seeing as all the insane things Dean has done for/because of/regarding Castiel... for instance:

defended his behavior to his brother and father when neither trusted him in season 6

kept his trenchcoat when he “died” in season 7, and keeping it with him in the trunk of his car(s) for the entirety of Castiel’s absence.

absolutely despises angels, and hates praying, yet he only ever prays to Castiel when he needs anything because he’s the only one he trusts

couldn’t get his mind of of him when he was possessed by Lucifer, and later taken by Amara in season 11

Has Castiel being referred to as his Colette by Cain (subtext but not really subtext because it was so incredibly obvious)

was supposed to be completely enamored by Amara and was supposed to be so hypnotizingly attracted to her that he couldn’t focus on anything else, yet he called out for Castiel’s name when it came down to it (aka the equivalent of calling out someone else’s name during sex) 

keeps looking at him like that

acted like a grieving widow when Castiel died in season 13

gets down on his knees to pray to, cry for and apologize to Castiel in Purgatory when there’s millions of creatures hunting his ass

...it’s easy to say that this is more than just a “brotherly friendship” between the two. There is dialogue that would NOT have worked between Sam/Cas because it would’ve felt weird. I wonder why.

So now to get back on topic; why is it that we’ve never seen Claire and Jack on screen together?

Is it because the writers didn’t have time to put them together in any given scenario whatsoever? Is it because the writers didn’t care enough for Claire to give her some more airtime with the boys? 

Or is it perhaps that if there was a possibility that they’d be on screen together, that they’d have a very similar (if not the same) connection to one another as Dean and Cas, only written as an actual little brother/big sister friendship dynamic?

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So yes, TL;DR: the actual reason that Claire and Jack never met is because they would’ve had the exact same dynamic as Dean and Cas, but in this case platonic. Which would’ve meant that the audience would’ve seen a clear difference between the Dean/Cas dynamic and Claire/Jack dynamic, and it would’ve shown that the way they’ve been writing and directing the Dean/Cas scenes is romantic.

thank you very much, and I bid thee a very good night. <3