#Different from Proshipping

[tentacle-incestified]

sorry if this is not a request but what is the difference between criticshipping and pro/comshipping??? Like, I've read your description and all, but it seems just proship with less step (you haven't specified if "criticshipping" is being anti-harassment too, like proshipping).

If you're going to point out (like many antis did before) that "proshipping means that you believe fiction doesn't effect reality", I'm sorry to inform you that this is a oversemplification we use (now we are trying to be more specific, saying that we do not believe fiction affects reality directly in the way antis or crazy people believe to).

This is not an accuse/attack or anything like that, I'm just trying to understand where this label comes from and what it means /gen

- To preference, sorry if I misread anything you said, I’m not very good at understanding words but I hope this helps.

- Critshipping is a term me and a few friends made, Critical Shipping, or even Criticized Shipping. We are against any sort of harassment to start, and do not support any sort of actions from our art in real life. Critshippers, are aware of how fiction affects reality, and with that knowledge they make their content. Fiction can affect reality, and we Criticize real actions.

- Directly pulled from the internet, here’s what pro shipping means from one of the first websites, “ProShip basically mean pro-shipping or pro fiction, it's a term for people who enjoy and support ships that involve pedophilia, incest, abusive relationships and other things like that.” At least, proshippers get pushed into the same group as people who support the art we create irl. This definitely was made by antis, but it still gives proshippers bad reputation.

- Last thing, Proshippers are a lot of the time like Critshippers, but they get grouped with bad people. We made the word to distance ourselves. Hope this helps.

- Updated: my opinion has more so changed. Critship is just a term under Proship. Support Proship.

[pro-sipper]

"Dead Dove: Do Not Eat"

About the tag, the origin, and why I think no one on either side of the fandom divide knows how to use it

First of all, I'm crosstagging because I think it's a general issue, not just something for pro or anti shippers. I see the tag get misused on both sides and I just wanted to throw my two cents in

So, where did the term originate? Like all culturally significant things online, it started as a meme. More specifically, a meme from the television show Arrested Development. Character A has put a dead dove into a brown paper bag to store in the family's fridge. On the bag, he has taped a sign that reads, in big bold letters, "DEAD DOVE. Do Not Eat!"

Character B comes across the bag, reads the warning, and opens it anyway. When he's met with, you guessed it, a dead dove, he proclaims "I don't know what I expected".

This is an example of (and has since basically become the spiritual successor to) the "Exactly What It Says On The Tin" trope.

If you want to check out the full history and countless examples of the trope, please check out the page on tvtropes. But for a slightly shorter history - it originated in a British commercial for Ronseal's Quick Drying Woodstain, which the tin claimed "dried quickly". And in the commercial they told you "It does exactly what it says on the tin!" So, the tin says what the product does, then the product does it. You get the idea.

In fandom spaces, the trope just means that the title of Thing (be it movie, show, fanfic, etc) tells you exactly what happens IN Thing. If a show is called "Buffy The Vampire Slayer", you already know it's about a girl named Buffy who slays vampires. If the movie is called "Cocaine Bear", you can bet a bear will get into some cocaine at some point. If there's a fanfic called "Fluttershy Has Tea With Jesus"... you get the idea.

While both tags started out with the same intentions and meaning, I don't think it's any wonder that "dead dove do not eat" has been so easy to misinterpret. For one, "exactly what it says on the tin" sounds more straightforward. You don't have to understand the specific reference to infer it means to check the label (in this case, tags) before purchasing (opening) the product (fanfic)

But dead dove is harder to understand if you don't know the reference. And at a glance, it sounds much darker. Doves have symbolism in multiple religions, and are seen as a symbol of peace. A dead dove evokes images of gore, violence, general unpleasantness. It must only apply to something sinister, right?

The thing about "exactly what it says on the tin" is that the tin needs to say something. You can't point at a blank label and say "here's what you can expect". People would be much less likely to engage with your product if that were the case

In the same vein, slapping "dead dove do not eat" on a fic with no other tags can lead to confusion. In this tag's case, it's a warning. But what are you warning about if you don't also put it in the tags? It leaves people's minds to conjure up only grim and upsetting images of what might be in your fic. Especially when, as it's also common to do, the tag gets shortened to simply "dead dove".

And while, yes, the tag is most likely to get slapped onto fics with dark or upsetting subject matter, that means something different for everyone who comes across it.

Most people seem to think it only applies to inappropriate relationships (age gap, incest, etc). But I've seen it applied to a variety of things, from potentially triggering material (like suicide) to things that simply may not be everyone's cup of tea (like excessive gross-out toilet humor).

In the end, "dead dove do not eat" is a tag that, in my opinion, should not be used as a descriptor as to what type of content your story contains. But rather, a gentle warning to say "hey, I'm specifically telling you what you're about to encounter, so whatever happens next is up to you".

After all, if you read the warning and still open the bag to find something you don't like...

I don't know what you were expecting.

[msnihilist]

Once again, no, you were not groomed by proshipping. You were groomed by someone using proshipping.

My groomer used a pairing that I already liked to desensitize me to sexual interactions, and it was a completely normal and popular pairing. To this day, I still don't like it. It's completely okay to not like or even hate those things that your groomer used against you.

It's not okay to demonize an entire group of people or lump the ideology itself in with a terrible experience that you had. Your trauma does not make you infallible.

It is not the fault of the content you were shown that you got groomed. Groomers will use anything. They are bad people. The content you were shown is neutral.

[urproblematicfav-arsonk]

People: um!! Alastor views Charlie like a daughter, he even said so in the song! He patted her head and everything!!!

canon:

Me: bet

[zzoupz]

Are you a proshipper?

what if the world was made of pudding

[cuppy-cake-bun]

ever since that one time proshippers and lolishocons were talking about baby/toddlercon, I've been nervous about saying I am also a baby/toddler/shotacon.. I do consider toddlers being shota.

I wonder how many shotacons out there are also baby/toddlercons.

[proshipconfessions]

Someone submitted these images to me, saying that they’ve seen a lot of people interacting with this person, and want to let people know, but don’t want to attract harassment by posting.

Their username is @/sandycheekscockvore. Here are screenshots of their blog, where they’re telling people who draw characters as trans men to fuck off, and reblogging FOX News anti-trans propaganda. There’s also a screenshot of them getting shouted out on a radfem blog.

Just in case anyone is unfamiliar with the interviewer in that FOX News article or thinks that there’s a chance that it could be unbiased, Riley Gaines—the interviewer—thinks that trans women shouldn’t be allowed to play in women’s sports, including chess. She also fights for trans people, especially trans women, to have less rights.

[starlooove]

No bc how do u simultaneously ship chaipunk and chaiflower but then turn around and have an issue with punkflower bc of ages YOU MADE UP like

[sirenium]

I try my damn near hardest to avoid shipcourse on this blog. However, I have so many qualms with the anti side of things that I need to say something.

If your first inclination after seeing someone explore fiction is to call them a pedophile (as an insult, no less!), abuse enabler, and/or urge your followers to mass report them, you are a problem. Maybe it's because I grew up during the golden days of fandoms, where ship and let ship was the norm and not whatever this shit is, but it's bizarre to see people get cancelled for being a proshipper. I just don't have it in me to care about what people do to that fictional child. It's none of my business.

I've noticed a trend from antis of anything: anti radqueers, antishippers, anti hazbin/helluva etc, and it is that their arguments are extremely self centered. 'It's romanticizing MY abuse/trauma/condition!' as if that stranger on the other side of the screen couldn't possibly have similar trauma etc and copes with it differently. "It triggers ME!" then don't actively seek out that material and get mad at the creator. It's a 'me! me! me!' mindset.

See, me personally? I don't care if someone makes and romanticizes a fic that capitalizes on my trauma. I don't care what reason they have, either; whether it's to cope with their own trauma or to simply have fun, I do not care. No amount of harassment from a bunch of teenagers can change the fact that I don't care, and the fact that there are others OLDER THAN ME, someone who will be 19 in July, who condone and enforce anti views is terrible.

Creative freedom shouldn't even be a debate or discourse situation. People need to grow the hell up and get over themselves.

[s0fter-sin]

being on twitter and seeing 18yr olds with “minors dni” in their bios is the weirdest thing ever

[zombieplaguedoc]

Imagine your f/o making homemade bread.

What types of bread would your f/o make?

Antis dni, stay away from me and your f/os

[pandorasgrief]

Me reading houseki no kuni: oh wow cairngorm x aechmea is sooo juicy.... toxic. Manipulation. Grooming. Fuck yeah this is a treat

The fandom: if you like Aechmea you are a MONSTER and a RAPE APOLOGIST! Omggg he is the worst character he shouldnt have existed! Omggg poor Cairngorm, he got manipulated so much! He loved phos, he was just a tsundere :< Aechmea cut out his personality :<

Me: oh wow nobody understands wtf happened in the manga

[cowchickenbeefpork]

you know i usually get along with antis but using the slenderman murders as a example of fiction affecting reality is so stupid???? that is like saying video games cause violence levels of stupid

[urproblematicfav-arsonk]

my contribution to the valangel agenda is hc that Val's spit has local anesthetic qualities similar to cocaine(which is apart of the addictive nature/general appeal of his smoke/spit)

[lunarbroadcast]

I could suck you dry on the rocks with a twist But just like a vampire, I don't exist

•✦───✧ABOUT ME✧───✦•

Name ➺ Lyra / Micro

Age ➺ 18

Pronouns ➺ she/they

Sexuality ➺ bisexual

Interests ➺ Hazbin Hotel, baking, arts and crafts, cats, lego monkie kid, fortnite, batim

Aethy ➺ candy_cane (18+ ONLY)

NSFT blog ➺ @rosette-reverie (18+ ONLY)

RedSon rp blog ➺ @flame-thrwer

I AM PRO-PARAPHILIA , ANTI-CONTACT AND PRO-RECOVERY

not gonna talk about it much on main cause im scared to do so but yea :D

•✦──✧MAIN LINKS✧──✦•

• S/I list

• F/O list (PLEASE CHECK THIS OUT!!!)

• anon list

• Strawpage mailbox

• Redson Github / ponytown about me

• Clownpierce themed github (and my neutral github)

•✦───✧TAGS INFO✧───✦•

• 📨|| You got mail! - asks

• 💠|| Lyra rambles - normal posting

• 💻|| Lyra shares - reblogging posts

• 🌹|| loves from different worlds - general f/o tag

• 💌|| infernal letters- selfship tag 1

• 🍬|| SugarFlower - selfship tag 2

• 🌙🩸|| bloodmoon - selfship tag 3

• 📺|| lunarbroadcast - selfship tag 4

• 🌸|| StaticBlossom - selfship tag 5

• 📖|| ShatteredCanvas- selfship tag 6

• 🐍|| little bun troubles - selfship tag 7

• 🐈‍⬛🌹|| CursedRoses - selfship tag 8

• 💠|| decrypted feelings - selfship tag 9

• ❤️🖤|| deadly secret - secret f/o / selfship tag 10

•✦─────✧DNF IF✧────✦•

• IF YOU POST ANY SHIPS RELATED TO REDSON- i am VERY possesive over redson. I do nooot feel comfortable any ships with him (that sadly includes other selfships)

• big 3 pro-contact/neutral-contact paraphiles

• Basic DNI (homophobia, transphobia, racism etc)

• Vivziepop apologists

• zionists/israel supporters

• antis (nice/neutral are welcome tho! just be nice and respectful)

• Radqueers (hard block if i see one of yall lurking around-)

Im perfectly fine with any type of proshipper! You are all welcome here :D (i have certain shipcest tags blocked for my personal comfort)

•✦────✧CREDITS✧────✦•

• patern dividers (stars and moons, heart tuffted, etc) ➺ (cafekitsune)

• bar dividers ➺ (peachesboard)

• redson icon in the userboxes ➺ azuremist

• redson userboxes ➺ mee :3c

• Clownpierce graphics ➺ kyxmli the post also has creds to the fanart used in them

• pfp cred ➺ hixbii on deviantart

[i-love-harryosborn-dotcom]

Your friendly neighborhood spiderman is here to remind you that

proshippers are not cool or acceptable & that not liking them does not make you an “anti”, it means you’re a (partially) normal member of society who has an awareness to your actions