"Suffer No Fools" - Shiver vs. Marina Analysis
It's been a few days since "Suffer No Fools" released, but I wanted to go ahead and release my analysis of Shiver's and Marina's verse since that's the one that has caused the most discussion within the fandom. I've seen a lot of debate over Marina's section in particular, with people unsure whether she was being sincere or sarcastic, and I think the actual answer is a little more complicated than one or the other, at least with regards to the first couplet of lines both she and Shiver sing. Of course, people are free to interpret this song however they wish, but after seeing numerous interpretations I personally didn't vibe with, I just wanted to put my own out there, breaking it down line by line.
So! Here we go.
Exchange 1:
Shiver: "Your haunting voice -- there's no escape. How nice it must be for your fans."
Marina: "You're far too kind! I love your vibe. I can learn so much from your style."
Analyzing from dialogue only:
Shiver is insulting Marina's voice by calling it haunting and saying there is no escape, insinuating she wishes there was one. She says how nice it must be for Marina's fans, again implying that she isn't one.
Marina says that she loves Shiver's vibe, which on the surface could be a compliment, but given the context (a music battle) it could also be a Mean Girl "ooh I love your [thing] :)" passive-aggressive drawing-attention-to-something-ugly insult. More direct though, is the "I can learn so much from your style"; you can learn what not to do from someone just as much as you can learn what to do from someone. Marina's engaging in plausible deniability here.
HOWEVER. Lyrics are NOT the only thing that need to be analyzed from this first verse, which is arguably the MOST important exchange between these two. Instead, we need to look at how these lines are delivered.
Shiver is singing in a traditional Japanese folk singing style, specifically a style based on Shima-uta, which her voice actress has a background singing in. Unfortunately, I don't know the actual term for this style of singing, only that it's not kakegoe, something Shiver also does that is different from this. Anyway, in these lines specifically Shiver is singing in her Shima-uta style, a style that she has presumably been practicing since she was a small child, a style that is probably culturally significant to the Hohojiro clan. Singing in this style is not something that just anyone can do. It's completely different from singing in a (for lack of a better word) "western" style. The way you breathe is completely different. The way you incorporate your voice into your breathing is completely different. So by singing in this style, which Shiver has been doing practically her whole life and which, presumably, only she of the four there can do, Shiver is FLEXING on Marina regardless of what lyrics she chooses to sing.
But then Marina, who grew up under the domes in Inkadia, who presumably has never heard Shima-uta before she started listening to Deep Cut and heard Shiver sing, who presumably has had absolutely no training whatsoever on this style of song . . . mimics it perfectly and flexes on Shiver right back.
Could Marina's words to Shiver be interpreted as passive-aggressive in turn? Yes. But does it matter? No, not really. Because in this first verse, Marina's ACTUAL comeback is to take the style of singing that Shiver has been perfecting her entire life and throw it right back in her face despite having never (as far as we or Shiver know) practiced it herself. Shiver was flexing by presumably doing something Marina couldn't do, only for Marina to do it flawlessly, being every bit as divine with a voice so fine as Pearl said she was previously. Marina says "I love your vibe" so she takes it. Marina says "I have so much to learn from you" but does she really, when she can already do exactly what Shiver can, and has, just now, right in front of her?
And Shiver noticed, hence:
Exchange 2:
Shiver: "You remind me of my neighbor's little daughter . . . What's that saying? 'Octo see, octo do.'"
Marina: "Glad you approve -- your praise has left me moved. Thanks to your notes, I'll find my groove!"
Shiver drops the Shima-uta singing, because now there's no point. Marina can also sing in that style, so it's no longer a flex. Shiver lost ground on that one, so instead we're back to the same (again, for lack of a better word) "regular" style of singing that everyone else is using. For that reason, we can go back to analyzing purely based on the words alone.
Shiver is calling Marina a copycat, essentially, because Marina copied her Shima-uta singing style in the previous verse (hence why Shiver had to drop it, as previously noted). Marina then gives her "glad you approve -- your praise has left me moved" . . . basically noting that by Shiver accusing her of copying, Shiver is saying that Marina -- someone who just tried the singing style off the cuff right there on the stage for the first time -- was just as good as Shiver, someone who has trained in that style her whole life. The audience saw for themselves that Marina was able to emulate the style, but Shiver saying, "you copied me!" is basically admitting that Marina was just as good as her in Shiver's own eyes, and Shiver is a pro. That's Shiver's aggravation handing Marina the win and Marina smiling wide as she accepts it.
Exchange 3:
Shiver: "Oh, look at the time. Isn't it getting late?"
Marina: "Not at all! I could go on like this all night long."
This one doesn't even really need an analysis. For all that she prides herself on being "so cool even sharks call her cold-blooded," Shiver is known for being easily irritated and riled when she's losing due to her competitive nature. Marina successfully got under her skin, and this is her trying to end the battle fast because she didn't have any further comebacks. Marina, meanwhile, gives the classic "I could go on all night" because she's not riled at all, and is instead perfectly comfortable in this environment, knows what she's doing, and has had the upper hand from the start.
It goes back to another post I made about Experience vs. Inexperience. Shiver and Frye are still new idols, whereas Pearl and Marina have been at this for a long while. And while off the stage Marina is a sweet, kind, gentle person who will go out of her way to help others, and can sometimes be a little spacey or naive, she's also a 23-year-old literal genius who has been in the music industry for years now and knows full well what a rap / music battle is and knows her way around a stage. Personally, I found it to be a little infantilizing to insinuate that she "didn't realize Shiver was insulting her," when not only do I think she knew full well, but also she was the one with the upper hand not because of sick burns (that's Pearl's department), but because of sheer innate musical talent.
But those are just my thoughts! Everyone else is free to have their own.
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does Goldie approve of John smoking?
your Goldie drawing comic made me think of it. does John feel closer to him when he smokes because of what it's doing to his health (i.e. bringing him closer to death)? just curious about what you think
[I know you're talking about ghost baby Goldie but I thought showing grownup Goldie's opinion would be funny]
As a ghost baby, Goldie doesn't really understand what John's doing when he's smoking or that it directly deteriorates John's health. I imagine during the cancer arc that Goldie is under the belief John caught a bad illness or was getting old.
As for John, he smokes as an addict since he was a teen with pretty blatant disregard for his health. While he feels guilty about not being able to be "with" Goldie in death, John does want to live more than anything. Goldie wants that for him too, even if that just makes John feel worse.
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This is how I imagined TF1 Arcee ( This is an early sketch with flat colours)
I'm on my recovery break so I didn't want to go past the sketch phase
I tried to be as true to the TF1 "art style" as I could ( she gave me a hard time cuz I'm very blind to details and there's just so much going on )
I got inspired by her IDW backstory
This design was before she received her T-cog / she transitioned
Also, her dead name is "R-C15"
Before she Renamed herself "Arcee" she didn't wanted to change her name mainly because she didn't had that hard of a time in the Energon mines and she had more pleasant memories than the bad ones
But her girlfriend Aileron ( idk if that's her real name) liked to call her "Arcee" so later she adopted that name
In terms of her alt mode, it probably would've been some kind of two-wheeler
I'm not sure about her personality YET but I think I would be between TFP Arcee and TFE Arcee though I still gotta think about that
Also gotta think about her backstory too
I'm gonna make her "after receiving the T-cog" design later I just had to get this out before I forget
And I don't want to over-work myself either
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vampire nii-chan being a lil too excited about his new…….human step-sister😈
now that is a thought, anon!! the first thing that popped into my mind was him sneaking into ur bedroom with the intention of having a little midnight snack—just a couple of swallows, a shallow bite, nothing that’ll scar, he swears—only to be overtaken by a completely different hunger the moment he sees you sleeping so peacefully in a cute little tank top and a pair of lace-trimmed panties, nipples jutting through thin cotton, contours of your cunt starkly outlined by the worn silk clinging to your folds.
it’s a ravenous sort of desperation, desire, that roils in the pit of his stomach, dark and sticky and burning hot. it seeps into his useless veins and fills them with fire, a blaze that can only be satisfied by your body, hotter and more intense than any bloodlust he’s ever felt. it’s primality in the purest form, his feet moving on instinct, soundlessly crossing hardwood until his thighs hit the edge of your mattress.
sliding into your bed with all the sly gracefulness of a snake, he stays undetected as his thigh wedges itself between your own, undetected as a taloned finger slices through lace and silk to expose your hole, undetected until he’s shoving his cock into your unprepared cunt, tearing delicate flesh with the violent intrusion, the stingingly sweet stench of blood nipping at his nose, and oh, that’s just fucking delicious, thick saliva pooling beneath his tongue. four sharp fangs sink into your skin, mouth latching over your shoulder, and you wake with a sharp gasp, murdered by the palm suddenly sealed over your lips.
be quiet, he murmurs into the wound, the words slippery and muffled against your flesh, soaked in blood. we don’t want to wake mommy and daddy, now, do we?
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Okay but like I LOVE the idea of Blitz saying some crazy shit and pissing Stolas off because for all his power Stolas is NOT ready for a relationship with this dude
The idealized Thing Stolas has made Blitz into in his mind is something Blitz will forever feel insecure about, and until that illusion gets shattered Stolas will never Actually respect him.
Blitz has simply resigned himself to the fact that he's not who Stolas thinks he is and Stolas isn't gonna like the real him.
Blitz is traumatized, hasty, temperamental and probably feels pretty pathetic given how many times he's "failed" people. Stolas is a perpetual victim of circumstance and has no idea what being ANY of that feels like (except for being traumatized obviously LMAO).
Blitz is like a magic prince charming to him, and until Stolas matures he's gonna be pretty mad when Blitz doesn't "care" to live up to that
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