#ajax telamon

[pelideswhore]

if you’re the kind of person who makes fun of ajax telamon for killing himself, i do not like you

[outisseus]

El último no cabía en el barco 🚣‍♂️

[Idk why it says AI generated (if it's because of the voice filter) but IT ISN'T, it's drawn on my sketchbook.]

[friedmagazinebouquet]

Has this been done already? Probably

[incorrecthomer]

Telamon: this is my son Ajax and his brother Teucer Peleus: aren't they both your sons? why is Teucer not given the son title? Telamon: i don't like him

[ilions-end]

sorry still thinking about teucer within the iliad and the ajax and how much of his agency and sense of personhood must have come directly from big ajax supporting and defending him socially. teucer's a nothos born of a trojan concubine, which means he was banned from coming-of-age rituals (legally a child all his life) including voting, and a lowly archer besides, but thanks to his half-brother he's fighting and eating meals and living alongside actual kings and commanders.

and despite living among them for a decade in the war, the moment ajax dies and teucer tries to hold his own, his lesser status and foreignness is thrown in his face by those same rulers. he's fortunate that odysseus happens to want the same thing as him, and that odysseus holds legitimate status and sway, because on his own there's no way teucer would have convinced them ajax deserved proper burial rites, which would have condemned teucer further.

[lineaup]

can’t stop thinking about this..

Telamon: “Meet my son Ajax and his half-brother Teucer!” Peleus: “Why isn’t Teucer titled as your son too?” Telamon: “I don’t like him.” Hesione: “Someone’s sleeping on the couch tonight.”

[ditoob]

Telamonian Ajax and Odysseus height comparison:

[multifandomhallucinations]

Telamon... Ajax... Telamonian Ajax... Ajax, son of Telamon... The Illiad... Achilles... Odysseus...

I'm not ok. Illiad is rotting my brain /silly

[fleurbleedinghearts]

Molassus and teucer are probaly the best part of their respective bloodlines

Real Real Real !!!

They probably get it from their moms 💔❤️‍🩹

Can you imagine if Teucer was anything like Telamon? Ajax might've ended up murdered.

Telamon was just as bad of a father as Aeacus but Teucer was as loving of a brother to Ajax as Hesione was as loving of a sister to Priam.

[mt-isnothere12]

2/10 battle: Ajax son of Telamon accidentally threw a boulder at me that was meant for a trojan. I am typing this as i am getting my shoulder healed (machaon is the best!!). it hurts so bad but honestly it was really cool it witness.

[pelideswhore]

thinking about brotherhood in greek mythology……

[amostcuriousmythicist]

Birth of Ajax the Greater

Telamon, the son of Aeacus and Endeïs, came to Euboea, violated the daughter of Alcothoüs, Eriboea​, and escaped by night. But when her father discovered the matter and suspected someone of the citizens, he gave the girl to one of his guardsmen to be cast into the sea. But the guardsman took pity on her, and sold her into slavery. When the ship on which she was put in at Salamis, Telamon bought her, and she bore Ajax. So Aretades the Cnidian in the second book of his History of the Islands.

Pseudo-Plutarch, Parallel Lives 27.312

[mrsracooney]

[longeyelashedtragedy]

In my mind you are still also the default owner of Tom Wlaschiha too :)

omg...not gonna lie, i'm honored!!!

[ilions-end]

we don't get a ton of characterization for the various argonauts from apollonius, but one noticeable thing is that telamon is very explosive in his anger and quick to assume the worst of whoever he's angry with, working himself up even more

i'm thinking about teucer in sophocles' ajax when he fantasizes for a moment that his father won't be horrible to him when he comes home and tells him about ajax' death :')

[loresung]

I need to talk about the sons of Priam and the sons of Telamon and how their dynamics compare/contrast to each other right now. I had a post earlier during book club, but I wasn’t able to fully articulate my thoughts because of book club, so now we’re back with a more in depth post. 

Paris and Teucer are (to a degree) the less desired sons of kings, Paris by prophecy and godly circumstance and Teucer by nature of his birth. On top of that, they both favor a bow and arrow in the face of war. Where Paris fights and deals death from afar, separate from his brethren but especially Hector, Teucer is right there in the thick of fighting at Ajax’s side. His brother’s tremendous, seven-hide shield protects him as they fight together. They (Teucer and Ajax) seamlessly fill the gaps in the other’s defense and offense. In the field of battle though, being an archer is not looked on as favorably as wielding a spear or sword — something repeatedly remarked upon by the narrative. Paris and Teucer are less skilled in close combat than their highly noble brothers, Hector and Ajax. In this way, no matter how many foes they slay during the fighting, they bring less honor to their fathers than their brothers. 

Paris should have been raised as a prince. He was born fully and without doubt in the confines of a legitimate, noble marriage between Priam and Hecuba. Yet he was cast away due to prophecy, given to a slave to be exposed, and having survived that forced to grow up beneath his station from birth as a shepherd (slave) on Mount Ida away from his family by blood. Teucer on the other hand, is a bastard (as Agamemnon states within the Iliad), and as such is implied that he should have been raised on the fringes of the royal family, which he was not. Instead, Telamon raised him within his own palace alongside Ajax. Teucer is seemingly above his station. They have the upbringings the other “should” have. 

It makes you wonder how often Paris and Hector looked upon Teucer and Ajax and wished that is who they should have been. But there will always be a gap between Paris and Hector. Their circumstances ensured it. Hector loves Paris fiercely, but he does not understand Paris on a fundamental level. Paris has lived a life that Hector has never seen, has never experienced in any similar capacity. Teucer and Ajax understand each other perfectly. They have never been apart. Teucer has always had most, if not all, of what Ajax had. 

Hector cannot understand the notion of choosing his personal happiness over that of their people’s safety. He has never lived with wanting before. He does not understand why Paris clings so fiercely to that which he earned. His decision to return to battle despite Andromache’s pleas is selfish, for Hector does want the glory that fighting will bestow upon him. He will not submit to a life of slavery, something his very own brother has experienced for years. He would rather die in battle and be remembered as a prince that fought for their home than as a father that chose to be with his family.  Yet in the same breath, it is sacrificial. He does want his family. He loves them dearly. But he, not Paris, is the protector of their city. He is the greatest fighter at the Trojans’ disposal. He must always return to the field of battle, even if he also desires to be with his wife and newborn son. 

Paris knows that Hector loves him and will do anything for him. To some degree, he does abuse that in how resolutely he refuses to give up Helen and his place among his blood family, now that he has been returned to them. He earned these things for himself. Hector was given them. Why should he be the one to let go? Does he not have the same right to happiness that Hector has had all along?

I’ve lost my train of thought a bit, but yeah… how often do they wish that they were as close as Teucer and Ajax? How often do they wish things could have been different? It must sting to see what they should have had reflected in someone else.