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The Secret Song of Florian and Jonquil Part 10: The Shrouded Lord and a Mermaid's UnKiss
December 24, 2023
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I ended last chapter with an excerpt from 1 Peter that referenced Christ as the Living Stone and proposed that George was using the legend of the Shrouded Lord in the book to mirror the biblical one. And as I discussed previously, the myth of the Shrouded Lord is in the story to inform upon Jon’s resurrection.  So, with that said, let’s jump right back in to talk about Jon Snow, the Living Stone and the kiss of life coming his way.
JON, THE SHROUDED LORD AKA, THE LIVING STONE
The sound of a kiss is not so loud as that of a cannon, but its echo lasts a great deal longer. —Oliver Wendell Holmes
We first hear mention of the Shrouded Lord in A Dance with Dragon where after the urging of Illyrio, Tyrion boards the Shy Maid to travel to Volantis with Griff and Faegon. While travelling on the Rhoyne, Haldon and Duck regal Yollo (Tyrion) with dark tales of the legendary pirates in the area.
Haldon gave him a thin smile. "If we should encounter the Lady Korra on Hag's Teeth, you may soon be lacking other parts as well. Korra the Cruel, they call her. Her ship is crewed by beautiful young maids who geld every male they capture." This time Duck laughed, and Haldon said, "What a droll little fellow you are, Yollo. They say that the Shrouded Lord will grant a boon to any man who can make him laugh. Perhaps His Grey Grace will choose you to ornament his stony court." Duck glanced at his companion uneasily. "It's not good to jape of that one, not when we're so near the Rhoyne. He hears." "Wisdom from a duck," said Haldon. "I beg your pardon, Yollo. You need not look so pale, I was only playing with you. The Prince of Sorrows does not bestow his grey kiss lightly." His grey kiss. The thought made his flesh crawl. Death had lost its terror for Tyrion Lannister, but greyscale was another matter. The Shrouded Lord is just a legend, he told himself, no more real than the ghost of Lann the Clever that some claim haunts Casterly Rock. Even so, he held his tongue. — A Dance with Dragons - Tyrion III
Four important things are revealed to us with the first mention of this mysterious figure. First, we find out that The Shrouded Lord is a Stone Man who lives in the Sorrows. Stone men are of course those in the last stages of greyscale who live in area of the Rhoyne where a thousand years previously, Garin is said to have called down the curse on the dragon lords of old.
Secondly, Tyrion associates him with Lann the Clever, the ancient ancestor of the Lannisters from the Age of Heroes who was said to have winkle Casterly Rock from the Casterlys with only his wits. Martin is usually implying something when he mentions these ancient figures in the text, and I have a couple of ideas why he had Tyrion think of Lann at this moment. One, I will write an essay on at another time, but the second reason is because I think his plan was to have Tyrion meet The Shrouded Lord, and it would have been Gerion, his missing uncle who disappeared when he went looking for the lost Lannister Valyrian sword, Brightroar.
George did write a chapter where Tyrion met The Shrouded Lord but decided not to include it in the books. Here is what he said about the discarded chapter.
“It’s a swell, spook, evocative chapter, but you won’t read it in Dance. It took me down a road I decided I did not want to travel, so I went back and ripped it out. So, unless I change my mind again, it’s going the way of the draft of Lord of the Rings where Tolkien has Frodo, Sam Merry and Pippin reach the Prancing Pony and meet a weatherbeaten old hobbit ranger named “Trotter.” —George R R Martin
The popular fandom reason for the deletion of the chapter is that there was too much magic in the scene. I think that this is a good take and quite possibly part of the reason for the deletion. George’s writing is centered on the character and the magic is secondary. There will be a big input of magic in the story, but that will be towards the end, and so the chapter with The Shrouded Lord might have been a bit too early.
All of this makes sense but only up to a point because there have been heavily magical scenes in the story already such as the birthing of Dany’s dragons, and her visit to the HOTU. Also, in ADWD, George gave us three magical scenes…Varamyr's attempt to body jump Thistle; Arya’s introduction to the magical faces of the Faceless Men; and Bran’s first visit inside the weirwood net.
That’s a lot of magical scenes in one book and so maybe George thought that Tyrion’s encounter with The Shrouded Lord was one too many. I tend to think that the true reason the chapter was pulled is because George felt it revealed too much about Jon’s resurrection, and he wasn’t ready to show his hand yet. There is also the fact that if Tyrion did meet The Shrouded Lord, Martin would have had to give him greyscale. This is something he may have been planning to do but decided against and chose to give it to Jon Con instead.
The third interesting thing we find out is that The Shrouded Lord will grant a boon to all who will make him laugh. This is important symbolism as it has to do with why there are as many fools appearing throughout the books as they are whor*s. I’m not going to go into the explanation about fools here as this chapter is already extremely long. However, I will again direct you to Crowfood’s Daughter excellent video essay on the subject.
Finally, we find out that the mysterious figure of the Sorrows is known by three names. In addition to The Shrouded Lord, he is also called His Grey Grace and The Prince of Sorrows. It just so happens that I can show you how all these names apply to Jon. His Grey Grace is obvious as he quite likely will be considered a king…at least for a while. I’ve also showed you last chapter why Jon's symbolic color is grey; and if he does get greyscale like I’ve proposed, part of him will have the grey scaly stone like scars of the disease.
So, what about the other two names. Well let’s start first with The Shrouded Lord.
Generally, when I see a representation of The Shrouded Lord in a video or featured in an essay, it’s of the standard fantasy image of a man in shadow wearing a grey cowl like those worn by monks…similar to the one I used for the header image of this essay. But here’s the thing. Yes, a cowl can be loosely considered a shroud but it would be at the bottom of the list of synonyms.
A shroud is more properly defined as, “a length of cloth or enveloping garment in which a dead person is wrapped for burial.” And the most famous one in all history is the Shroud of Turin, purportedly, the burial cloth of Jesus that is said to have his face imprinted or ingrained in it.
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Shroud of Turin, Public Domain
Understanding this meaning of shroud as a burial cloth, one can immediately see that the Shrouded Lord is quite possibly dead. Of course, as there is no cure for greyscale once it has reached the point that you are considered a stone man, it may just be symbolism. Also, as he is given the title Lord, one can also extrapolated and say that he is considered the ruler of the dead…a kind of Hades like figure. Or maybe even, regarding the story…a Night’s King like personage.
As he’s using the word shroud, that’s so closely identified with Jesus, one can also assume that George might want the reader to associate this mysterious figure from the Sorrows with his own created Christ like figure…one Jon Snow.
You’re probably saying, interesting analogy, but it doesn’t mean that The Shrouded Lord is meant to tell us about Jon’s resurrection or even has anything to do with him. And to that I say, it gets better. I missed it the first time I read the book but when I re-read A Dance with Dragons several years ago, something hit me when I reached the chapters where The Shrouded Lord is mentioned. In making the association with the Shroud of Turin, my mind immediately wondered whether George was symbolically associating The Shrouded Lord with Christ.
Having already recognized that he had set Jon up as the Christ like figure in the books who would be resurrected, I then considered the strong possibility that he was trying to tell us something about Jon’s resurrection, but I wasn’t immediately sure what the connection could be. The fact that the Shrouded Lord was a stone man and thus had greyscale; and Shireen who for some inexplicable reason, Martin also gave greyscale and then place at the Wall where she was in contact with Jon, told me that I was on to something, but again, what did it mean? And then the memories of my years of Sunday school and sitting in too many Episcopalian church services to remember kicked in and I knew the answer. I remembered.
Christ, the Living Stone!
Jesus was prophesized to be the Living Stone. Here we get the first reference in Isaiah 28:16
16 So this is what the Sovereign Lord says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone,     a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who relies on it     will never be stricken with panic.
And then again in the Psalms 118:22.
The stone the builders rejected     has become the cornerstone; 23 the Lord has done this,     and it is marvelous in our eyes.
And here in 1 Peter, we get the full prophecy.
4 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion,     a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him     will never be put to shame.” 7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, “The stone the builders rejected     has become the cornerstone,” 8 and, “A stone that causes people to stumble     and a rock that makes them fall.” They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for. 9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.  10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. —1 Peter 2:4-10 NIV
This is the answer to the question that many in the fandom have pondered. Why did George make greyscale a part of the story? A plague is understandable. After all, his story takes place in a Middle Ages type setting when plagues were prevalent, but why one that turned its victims into living stones.
Now we know! Jesus was the Living Stone who died and was resurrected to save man. In ASOIAF, Jon is the Christ like figure who will die and be resurrected to be the savior of man. And thus, he needed to have living stone symbolism. He needed to be a living Stone and thus, George needed a way to turn him into a stone man.
In the bible, Jesus as the Living Stone is symbolic, but George made it literal for his story. This is why he invented greyscale; gave it to Shireen; and placed her at the Wall.
We now see how two of the three monikers assigned to the mysterious figure known as The Shrouded Lord can be directly connected to Jon Snow, our in-world risen Christ. He is His Grey Grace, and he is The Shrouded Lord. What about the third…the Prince of Sorrows? As George is also using it as a sobriquet for his in-world figure, it must also be connected to Jesus. Let’s look again at the Book of Isaiah for the answer.
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. —Isaiah 53:2-6 KJV
This passage reminds me a bit of the tale Old Nan told Bran about the Night's King and how all records of him were destroyed and his very name forbidden; and later how Ygritte told Jon that Snow was an evil name. I would say the two are related.
Isaiah saying that Christ was not comely in our eyes also reminds me of Sansa saying that Florian was homely. The bible verse also shows us that Christ was known as a man of sorrows. Not quite the same wording as Prince of Sorrows, but then again, Jesus is also called Prince several times in other books of the bible, and Jon is quite possibly a prince in the books.
13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. 14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; 15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. —ACTS 3 13-15
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5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood. —REVELATIONS 1:5
And of course, he is known as the Prince of Peace. Now that we see how the three monikers connect to both Jesus and Jon, what about Jon’s resurrection? Might the myth of The Shrouded Lord give us some idea about his resurrection? Yes. Yes, it does, because there just so happens to be a resurrection portion of the myth that symbolically plays out with Tyrion, Sansa’s motley attire husband.
The legend of The Shrouded Lord first appears in A Dance with Dragon, the same book where Jon is killed. We first read about Garin and the curse he called down on the dragon lords of old and how the ruins of Chroyane turned into the Sorrows in TWOIAF, which was published two years after ADWD.
Lomas Longstrider wrote of the drowned ruins of Chroyane, its foul fogs and waters, and the fact that wayward travelers infected with greyscale now haunt the ruins—a hazard for those who travel the river beneath the broken span of the Bridge of Dream.
However, that was not the first time the name Garin appeared in the text. It first appeared in A Feast for Crows and is the name of one of Arianne’s childhood friends who participated in her attempt to crown Myrcella queen. After their plot is rooted out by Doran, Garin is initially sent to Ghaston Grey.
During her next bath, she spoke of her imprisoned friends, especially Garin. "He's the one I fear for most," she confided to the serving girl. "The orphans are free spirits, they live to wander. Garin needs sunshine and fresh air. If they lock him away in some dank stone cell, how will he survive? He will not last a year at Ghaston Grey." —A Feast for Crows, Princess in the Tower
According to Arianne, “Ghaston Grey was a crumbling old castle perched on a rock in the Sea of Dorne, a drear and dreadful prison where the vilest of criminals were sent to rot and die.” Sea of Dorne is filled with so much symbolic implications with the potential use of two homonyms on George’s part, Sea of Dawn or even See of Dawn, but that’s a discussion for another day. The name is also likely another homage on George’s part to his favorite fairy tale, Beauty and the Beast, as Gaston, Belle’s proverbial suitor falls to his death in the sea below during his fight with the Beast.
Ghaston Grey does sounds like the perfect symbolic prison to send a prisoner named after the ancient Rhoynar prince who called down the greyscale plague upon the dragon lords. Garin is an Orphan of the Greenblood, the descendants of Nymeria and the Rhoynar who decided to remain on the rivers and not settle on Dornish land. And so, it makes symbolic sense that he was imprisoned in the “sea.” I mentioned Garin because originally, A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons was one gigantic book before it was split into two by the publisher. And so, events in the two books are basically taking place around the same time. This shows that when George introduced the myth of The Shrouded Lord in the book where Jon dies, he was already thinking of Garin and the Rhoynar.
My regular readers probably think it’s boring the number of times I repeat in my essays that George is always consistent in his use of symbolism. I repeat it often because with the depth of symbolism built into the story, it’s amazing that he never drops the ball. And because I felt strongly that Florian and Jonquil were the ancient Night’s King and Corpse Queen, and Jon and Sansa their modern-day counterpart, when I figured how The Shrouded Lord connected to Jon and his resurrection, I was stumped by Florian’s motley armor.
I knew it had to be important because when the Tyrion drowning scene played out in the Sorrows, where he played the role of the Jon/Shrouded Lord character, he was wearing motley clothing. But I was stumped at what Motley might have to do with the Shrouded Lord and stone. That is, until I recently watched one of Crowfood’s Daughter ironborn videos and discovered that she had figured out the answer. Motley represented stone.
You can watch the video, Bless Him with Stone here, but what Amanda figured out is how motley is connected to stone. Motley as we are shown in the text is how the costumes of fools are described, and by connecting this to the real-world Harlequin fool from medieval history, Amanda hit on something interesting.
She discovered that there is a real-world disease called, Harlequin Ichthyosis, that’s very like greyscale. Also called fish scale disease, it got its name from the Greek word, ichthys, which translate as fish.
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Harlequin Ichthyosis
With this discovery and the connection to motley and fools in mind, Amanda soon discovered in the text that George compares the scars from Shireen’s greyscale to Patchface’s motley costume.
Grand Maester Pycelle gaped at him, aghast. "Surely you do not mean to suggest that Lady Selyse would bring a fool into her bed?" "You'd have to be a fool to want to bed Selyse Florent," said Littlefinger. "Doubtless Patchface reminded her of Stannis. And the best lies contain within them nuggets of truth, enough to give a listener pause. As it happens, this fool is utterly devoted to the girl and follows her everywhere. They even look somewhat alike. Shireen has a mottled, half-frozen face as well." Pycelle was lost. "But that is from the greyscale that near killed her as a babe, poor thing." — A Clash of Kings - Tyrion III
Mottle as Amanda’s research also showed is from the 17th century and is a back formation of motley. From there, it was then easy for her to make the connection to Florian the Fool.
This morning the puppeteers were doing the tale of Florian and Jonquil. The fat Dornishwoman was working Florian in his armor made of motley, while the tall girl held Jonquil's strings. "You are no knight," she was saying as the puppet's mouth moved up and down. "I know you. You are Florian the Fool." "I am, my lady," the other puppet answered, kneeling. "As great a fool as ever lived, and as great a knight as well." —The Hedge Knight
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"You hope to buy your way back into her favor by presenting her with me. An ill-considered scheme, I'd say. One might even say an act of drunken desperation. Perhaps if I were Jaime … but Jaime killed her father, I only killed my own. You think Daenerys will execute me and pardon you, but the reverse is just as likely. Maybe you should hop up on that pig, Ser Jorah. Put on a suit of iron motley, like Florian the—" —A Dance with Dragons, Tyrion IX
If George wants us to consider greyscale and motley in the same terms, then does that mean that Sansa’s favorite knight did not wear a motley suit of armor, but rather had greyscale. As soon as I got to this point in Amanda’s video, I knew that I had my answer about how stone connected to Florian, because it had to be if Jon, the modern-day Florian was The Shrouded Lord of the story. Eureka!
One thing I discovered in my research, which Amanda didn’t mention and so I’m not sure if she is aware is that there is a condition very similar to Ichthyosis called Livedo reticularis but more commonly known as mottled skin. It’s not as deadly or life threatening as Ichthyosis, but it does look somewhat similar.
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Mottled Skin
Mottled skin causes a bluish-red, lace-like patter under the skin. Also known as Livedo reticularis, this condition happens when deoxygenated blood pools beneath the skin’s surface. This condition has many causes, including cold exposure and chronic medical conditions. —Cleveland Clinic
You can see from the picture below how similar it is to Ichthyosis. You know who else I wondered about when I read this description for mottled skin, Cold Hands. I wonder what his face and the rest of his skin looks like under his hood and cloak. But that’s a theory for another day.
One other thing Amanda’s video showed is that when you pull up mermaids on the wiki, you get a “see also” reference to Ichthyosis. It is called the fish scale disease and so that makes sense, but consistent symbolism people. Symbolism.
A MERMAID'S UNKISS
Now that we’ve discussed The Shrouded Lord, and how his myth is in the story to tell us about Jon’s resurrection as the symbolic risen Christ, let’s finally get to that resurrection and how Sansa will be smacked dab in the middle of it, something I’ve proposed for years.
Melisandre is what I like to call a shiny apple. George’s way of hiding the truth in plain sight. Because Thoros, another Red Priest brought Beric back, the fandom assumes Mel will do the same for Jon…especially as they went that route in the show.
Don’t get me wrong, she’s at the Wall because she has a role to play but it won’t consciously or unconsciously be about bringing Jon back. Although when it happens, other characters will think it was her, and she’ll likely take the credit, but it won’t be her. Mel is at the Wall to burn Shireen which will in some magical way, result in Jon getting greyscale.
I have a broad idea of how it will play out, which I will get into at the end. Mel won’t bring Jon back because what the tale of The Shrouded Lord tells us is that the return of the fiery dragon lord will be a cold one.
I have been saying for years that Jon and Sansa are the modern Florian and Jonquil and that George is telling their story through their interactions with other characters who act as stand-ins for each. In the case of Jon, Ygritte, the lover of songs, and Val, the non-maiden who Jon rejects when she looks like an icy, white hair ice queen, but thinks is loveliest thing he’s seen in a long while when she comes out of the trees of the haunted forest with her hair looking like dark honey and Ghost at her side.
As I pointed out in The Evolution of Val an essay I wrote several years ago, dark honey is dark brown in color with red highlights. A color very similar to the chestnut Sansa has been dying her hair as she hides out in the Vale. But she’s running out of dye and her red hair is symbolically beginning to peek out.
In Sansa’s arc, the role of Jon is being played by the Sandor Cleghane, the Hound. This is the angry Jon that will return with his wolf Ghost now literally a part of him. Jon will be savage like the Hound. This is why Sandor is given the Hound moniker. It’s to suggest a wolf hound…aka Jon.
Sandor’s burnt face also is there to foreshadow Jon’s face being burnt and likely where the greyscale will enter his dead body as I speculated above. This will likely happen in his funeral pyre. In Deep Geek has a great video about something like this happening. You can watch it here. Jon’s face being burnt at some point was also foreshadowed during his first meeting with Ygritte in the chapter that mirrors Sansa and Sandor on top of the Red Keep during the fiery battle of the Blackwater.
It all seemed to happen in a heartbeat. Afterward Jon could admire the courage of the wildling who reached first for his horn instead of his blade. He got it to his lips, but before he could sound it Stonesnake knocked the horn aside with a swipe of his shortsword. Jon's man leapt to his feet, thrusting at his face with a burning brand. He could feel the heat of the flames as he flinched back. Out of the corner of his eye, he saw the sleeper stirring, and knew he must finish his man quick. When the brand swung again, he bulled into it, swinging the bastard sword with both hands. —A Clash of Kings, Jon VI
Sansa calmed the Hounds spirit when she sang him The Mother’s Hymn. And just as she tempered the Hound, she will do the same for beastly Jon, like Belle did to the Beast in George’s favorite fairy tale.
In, Do Direwolves dream of the Weirwood Net, I discussed and showed the textural evidence that suggests the bond mates of House Stark can access the weirwood net. This is important because I believe that when Jon called out to Ghost upon his death, their spirits merged, and Ghost took them into the weirwoods, and it is here that he will encounter Sansa and she will give him the kiss of life. There is a magical component that of course has yet to be revealed by the author, but textural clues suggests that this is what will happen. So, let’s now discussed those clues.
Sansa, like many other characters is an unreliable narrator. One of the biggest pieces of evidence to support this is the infamous UnKiss, as the fandom calls the kiss, she remembers sharing with the Hound.
Alla had a lovely voice, and when coaxed would play the woodharp and sing songs of chivalry and lost loves. Megga couldn't sing, but she was mad to be kissed. She and Alla played a kissing game sometimes, she confessed, but it wasn't the same as kissing a man, much less a king. Sansa wondered what Megga would think about kissing the Hound, as she had. He'd come to her the night of the battle stinking of wine and blood. He kissed me and threatened to kill me, and made me sing him a song. —A Storm of Swords, Sansa II
The kiss Sansa remembers, never happened. We the reader watch the scene play out on the page and we know there was no kiss between her and the Hound. She thinks of the kiss that never happened for a second time later in the book when having a conversation with Myranda.
She thought of Tyrion, and of the Hound and how he'd kissed her, and gave a nod. "That must have been dreadful, my lady. Him dying. There, I mean, whilst . . . whilst he was . . ." — A Feast for Crows - Alayne II
Why is Sansa remembering a kiss that never happened? A fan asked GRRM via email back in 2002, and this was his response.
“Well, not every inconsistency is a mistake, actually. Some are quite intentional. File this one under “unreliable narrator” and feel free to ponder its meaning.” —So Spake Martin
Some in the fandom has taken Sansa’s memory of the kiss that never happened as Sansa having romantic feelings for the Hound. However, I don't think that's it. Yes, Martin, has admitted that he has played with this aspect, but I feel confident it’s not because he intended any romance between the two.
Why do I say that Martin is not going to write Sansa having romantic feelings for the Hound? Because one of the core themes of the story is the evil practice of marrying girls before they are even of age to men old enough to be their fathers and often their grandfathers. Sandor Cleghane is old enough to be Sansa’s father being just a few years younger than Ned. Plus, Sandor assaulted and terrorized Sansa. George is not going to turn around now at the end of the story and create a romance between a child and a grown man who terrorized her.
Also, and this is important, we are shown on the page and told in the text that Sansa prefers boys her age. There is Joffrey before he showed himself to be a monster; Loras, the fake Rhaegar stand-in; and Waymar Royce, the Jon stand-in. And if that is not sufficient evidence, Sansa in her own words tells us that she prefers men close to her age.
"I suppose," Sansa said doubtfully. Beric Dondarrion was handsome enough, but he was awfully old, almost twenty-two; the Knight of Flowers would have been much better. Of course, Jeyne had been in love with Lord Beric ever since she had first glimpsed him in the lists. Sansa thought she was being silly; Jeyne was only a steward's daughter, after all, and no matter how much she mooned after him, Lord Beric would never look at someone so far beneath him, even if she hadn't been half his age. —A Game of Thrones, Sansa III
Jeyne has a crush on Beric, who is almost 22. Sansa who is 12 at the time, the same age she is when the UnKiss with the Hound supposedly took place, thinks Beric is too old, and that Loras, the Knight of Flowers who is 16 and just 4 years older than her would be much better. At the start of the story, Sandor Cleghane is 28. Why would Sansa have romantic feelings for him when she thought that Beric who is 6 years younger than the Hound was too old. Makes no sense. George is showing us that Sansa’s interest lies in boys her age.
However, GRRM has admitted that he’s been playing with the idea of something romantic between Sansa and Sandor, and so one must ask why? I think the answer is because Sandor is a stand-in for Jon, and what Sansa is remembering is not a kiss between her and Sandor but rather one between her and Jon.
In the chapter 8, I discussed why mermaids and dragonflies are symbolic sea dragons and how George has positioned Sansa as representing both. I also covered why Nagga, the sea dragon the Grey King slew was his mermaid wife and how that meant that Elenei, the mermaid wife of Durran Godsgrief should also be considered a sea dragon. However in the Durran/Elenei legend, the mermaid wife likely save her mate from drowning by giving him the kiss of life.
Then I discussed why sea dragons and mermaids represent the missing female greenseers of the story and why Nissa Nissa/Corpse Queen/Grey King’s mermaid wife was the first sea dragon and the first greenseer who was female. All of this led me to revisiting the textural clues that point to Sansa being the mermaid/sea dragon of the story and the missing female greenseer.
Legends say that mermaids or sirens as they are sometimes called often lure sailors to their death via drowning.
"A touch of fear will not be out of place, Alayne. You've seen a fearful thing. Nestor will be moved." Petyr studied her eyes, as if seeing them for the first time. "You have your mother's eyes. Honest eyes, and innocent. Blue as a sunlit sea. When you are a little older, many a man will drown in those eyes." Sansa did not know what to say to that. —A Feast for Crows, Sansa I
However, sometimes they will be a savior as in the case of the Little Mermaid, and Elenei saving Durran.
And now let’s look at what Sansa being a greenseer and the UnKiss might have to do with the resurrection of Jon Snow, the Shrouded Lord of Living Stone.
“We are made of blood and bone, in the image of the Father and the Mother,” said Septa Lemore. “Make no vainglorious boasts, I beg you. Pride is a grievous sin. The stone men were proud as well, and the Shrouded Lord was proudest of them all.” The heat from the glowing coals brought a flush to Tyrion’s face. “Is there a Shrouded Lord? Or is he just some tale?” “The Shrouded Lord has ruled these mists since Garin’s day,” said Yandry. “Some say that he himself is Garin, risen from his watery grave.” “The dead do not rise,” insisted Haldon Halfmaester, “and no man lives a thousand years. Yes, there is a Shrouded Lord. There have been a score of them. When one dies another takes his place. This one is a corsair from the Basilisk Islands who believed the Rhoyne would offer richer pickings than the Summer Sea.” “Aye, I’ve heard that too,” said Duck, “but there’s another tale I like better. The one that says he’s not like t’other stone men, that he started as a statue till a grey woman came out of the fog and kissed him with lips as cold as ice.” A Dance with Dragons, Tyrion V
In one of the myths told to Tyrion about The Shrouded Lord, he is said to have started as a stone statue until a cold kiss from a grey woman awakened or one might say, resurrected him. And as I’ve shown, the legend of the Shrouded Lord in only in the story to tell us about Jon’s resurrection. Thus, Jon’s resurrection should also involve a cold kiss from a woman in grey.
As we see from Melisandre’s vision, there is a mysterious girl in grey destined to connect with Jon. Sansa is this girl in grey. George has also inexplicably written a mysterious kiss into Sansa’s arc that supposedly never took place. I proposed that this kiss, or UnKiss as the fandom likes to call it is the one that will be tied to Jon’s resurrection, and it takes place in the weirwood net where Sansa will temper the savaged Jon and like Elenei did with Durran, save him from drowning in the green sea.
As we’re dealing with the weirwoods where time is circular, the kiss may have already happened, or Sansa could be seeing a future event. Nonetheless, the fact that she has memory of it is another clue that she is a greenseer. However, because she’s traumatized and the kiss is between her and her “brother” whose face is likely burnt, making him look more like the Hound, she has confused his identity in her mind.
I said above that George loves religious myths, but do you want to know what else he loves…fairy tales. And there are abundant references to such tales throughout the text.
Many essays have been written by others in the fandom about this topic, but the two I want to talk about here are Beauty and the Beast, and The Little Mermaid because those two are heavily prevalent in Sansa’s arc and in the resurrection of The Shrouded Lord…especially the mermaid linkage.
The original Little Mermaid by Hans Christian Andersen’s is very different from the Disney version so beloved by children, and George has merged the two in his version of the story. In Andersen’s version, mermaids live for hundreds of years and if the Little Mermaid (in the story, she is not given a name) is able to gain the love of the human prince, she will be fated to live out her days as a human. She will have a shorter life span but will gain a human soul. In ASOIAF, George gives us this tale of the fair Elenei.
The songs said that Storm's End had been raised in ancient days by Durran, the first Storm King, who had won the love of the fair Elenei, daughter of the sea god and the goddess of the wind. On the night of their wedding, Elenei had yielded her maidenhood to a mortal's love and thus doomed herself to a mortal's death, and her grieving parents had unleashed their wrath and sent the winds and waters to batter down Durran's hold. His friends and brothers and wedding guests were crushed beneath collapsing walls or blown out to sea, but Elenei sheltered Durran within her arms so he took no harm, and when the dawn came at last he declared war upon the gods and vowed to rebuild. —A Clash of Kings, Catelyn III
By the way, as I discussed in my Of Sansa Stark and Alayne Stone series, Elenei is a variant of Alayne, the name Sansa is hiding out under in the Vale as the daughter of the Merlin(g) King.
In both Andersen’s and George’s version of the tale, the mermaid saves the man from drowning. The mermaid also saves a man from drowning in the Disney version, but there is also the added detail of a kiss. While the sea witch, named Ursula in the Disney version mandates that the little mermaid must gain the prince’s love in the Andersen tale, the cartoon changes it to a kiss.
Martin has woven a life-giving kiss into his story as well with the tale of Elenei, the ironborn’s kiss of life, and even that of the R’hllorist cult with Thoros life giving the kiss to Beric and him in turn passing it on to Cat. And as we see, George has also woven it into the legend of The Shrouded Lord.
“Aye, I’ve heard that too,” said Duck, “but there’s another tale I like better. The one that says he’s not like t’other stone men, that he started as a statue till a grey woman came out of the fog and kissed him with lips as cold as ice.”
Did you notice Martin’s play on words there? The Shrouded Lord is not like the “Other” stone men.
Unsurprisingly, a stone statue is also a key element in both the Andersen original, and the Disney version of The Little Mermaid. In the original, the little mermaid finds the statue before she rescues the prince from drowning. It’s her first experience with anything from the human world and so, the statue becomes a prize possession. When she later rescues the prince, she realizes that he looks just like her statue, and this is part of what precipitates her falling for him.
On the other hand, in the Disney version, she finds the statue after she rescues the prince and it becomes a sign for her that she should follow him to the human world and this precipitates her visit to Ursula the sea witch.
We see that George has heavily built the tale of the Little Mermaid into his sea dragon and Shrouded Lord myths. So, what does all of this have to do with Jon’s resurrection, Sansa, and The Shrouded Lord?
Funnily enough, the very next Tyrion chapter after we first hear about The Shrouded Lord, the Shy Maid finally makes it to the Sorrows and is attacked by the Stone Men, leading to the near-death drowning experience of Sansa’s motley dressed husband and the answer to the question is provided. Let’s look at this chapter.
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“The Shy Maid moved through the fog like a blind man groping his way down an unfamiliar hall. Septa Lemore was praying. The mists muffled the sound of her voice, making it seem small and hushed. Griff paced the deck, mail clinking softly beneath his wolfskin cloak.” —A Dance with Dragon, Tyrion V
Make note that Griff , *Jon* Connington is wearing a wolfskin cloak, marking him as a symbolic wolf in the scene. This next excerpt is pretty long, but it is needed so that one can see all the symbolism and order of events playing out.
“Just saying a thing does not make it true. Who better to raise Prince Rhaegar’s infant son than Prince Rhaegar’s dear friend Jon Connington, once Lord of Griffin’s Roost and Hand of the King?” “Be quiet.” Griff’s voice was uneasy. On the larboard side of the boat, a huge stone hand was visible just below the water. Two fingers broke the surface. How many of those are there? Tyrion wondered. A trickle of moisture ran down his spine and made him shudder. The Sorrows drifted by them. Peering through the mists, he glimpsed a broken spire, a headless hero, an ancient tree torn from the ground and upended, its huge roots twisting through the roof and windows of a broken dome. Why does all of this seem so familiar?” “Straight on, a tilted stairway of pale marble rose up out of the dark water in a graceful spiral, ending abruptly ten feet above their heads. No, thought Tyrion, that is not possible. “Ahead.” Lemore’s voice was shivery. “A light.” All of them looked. All of them saw it. “Kingfisher,” said Griff. “Her, or some other like her.” But he drew his sword again. No one said a word. The Shy Maid moved with the current. Her sail had not been raised since she first entered the Sorrows. She had no way to move but with the river. Duck stood squinting, clutching his pole with both hands. After a time even Yandry stopped pushing. Every eye was on the distant light. As they grew closer, it turned into two lights. Then three. “The Bridge of Dream,” said Tyrion. “Inconceivable,” said Haldon Halfmaester. “We’ve left the bridge behind. Rivers only run one way.” “Mother Rhoyne runs how she will,” murmured Yandry. “Seven save us,” said Lemore. Up ahead, the stone men on the span began to wail. A few were pointing down at them. “Haldon, get the prince below,” commanded Griff.”
The large stone hand is like the symbolic hand of God hearing Tyrion’s words and passing judgment because just as they pass it, things get a bit crazy as some type of magic kicks in. Rivers only run one way except for in ASOIAF. Even their dialogue as they pass the bridge again is the same, but with differences.
The leap had shattered one of his legs, and a jagged piece of pale bone jutted out through the rotted cloth of his breeches and the grey meat beneath. The broken bone was speckled with brown blood, but still he lurched forward, reaching for Young Griff. His hand was grey and stiff, but blood oozed between his knuckles as he tried to close his fingers to grasp. The boy stood staring, as still as if he too were made of stone. His hand was on his sword hilt, but he seemed to have forgotten why. Tyrion kicked the lad’s leg out from under him and leapt over him when he fell, thrusting his torch into the stone man’s face to send him stumbling backwards on his shattered leg, flailing at the flames with stiff grey hands. —A Dance with Dragons, Tyrion V
Again, the hint of a man getting his face burnt. Tyrion knocked Young Griff down to protect him, but the stone man gets away and goes for the boy again.
“Stand aside!” someone shouted, far away, and another voice said, “The prince! Protect the boy!” The stone man staggered forward, his hands outstretched and grasping. Tyrion drove a shoulder into him. It felt like slamming into a castle wall, but this castle stood upon a shattered leg. The stone man went over backwards, grabbing hold of Tyrion as he fell. They hit the river with a towering splash, and Mother Rhoyne swallowed up the two of them. As he’s dragged to the bottom of the river by the stone man, Tyrion thinks, “there are worse ways to die than drowning.” And then we get this ending passage. I’ll haunt the Seven Kingdoms, he thought, sinking deeper. They would not love me living, so let them dread me dead. When he opened his mouth to curse them all, black water filled his lungs, and the dark closed in around him.
Tyrion, Sansa's motley wearing husband almost drowns in the green sea, and as it happens, he thinks of haunting the Seven Kingdoms as a dead man. I wonder what or better yet, who that might be foreshadowing?
When next we see Tyrion, he’s waking up and remembers dreaming of getting a grey kiss from the Shrouded Lord.
“He dreamt of his lord father and the Shrouded Lord. He dreamt that they were one and the same, and when his father wrapped stone arms around him and bent to give him his grey kiss, he woke with his mouth dry and rusty with the taste of blood and his heart hammering in his chest. “Our dead dwarf has returned to us,” Haldon said. “Tyrion shook his head to clear away the webs of dream. The Sorrows. I was lost in the Sorrows. “I am not dead.” —A Dance with Dragons, Tyrion VI
He then comments on his surroundings and we get this passage.
He was on the Shy Maid, Tyrion saw, under a scratchy blanket that smelled of vinegar. The Sorrows are behind us. It was just a dream I dreamed as I was drowning. “Why do I stink of vinegar?”
Why does he smell of vinegar? This bit is extremely important, and I will tell you why shortly. It’s George and his bloody consistent symbolism and another clue that he’s playing with the idea of Jon as Christ, the Living Stone.
Tyrion discovers that he was pulled from the river by Jon Con, and Septa Lemore then saved him. It was likely her kiss of mouth-to-mouth resuscitation that he mixed up with one from the Shrouded Lord in his dream.
“Lemore has been washing you with it. Some say it helps prevent the greyscale. I am inclined to doubt that, but there was no harm in trying. It was Lemore who forced the water from your lungs after Griff had pulled you up. You were as cold as ice, and your lips were blue. Yandry said we ought to throw you back, but the lad forbade it.” —A Dance with Dragon, Tyrion VI
As Crowfood’s Daughter stated in her video, Septa Lemore is a bit of an exhibitionist who likes to bathe naked in the river in sight of all…kind of like a mermaid; and Jonquil and her sisters when Florian viewed them in the Maiden Pool. Tyrion enjoyed watching Septa Lemore a few times. Thus, she is the symbolic mermaid stand-in for Sansa who gives Tyrion, the stand-in for the Shrouded Lord/Jon the icy kiss to bring him back to life. The fact that Tyrion is Sansa’s husband just completes the symbolism.
Tyrion and Griff are both stand-ins for Jon in the Sorrows scene. We've talked about Tyrion, but let's also look at what happens to Jon Con after he goes into the sorrows to rescue the little Lannister?
The symbolic wolf in the scene who just happens to have the same name as Jon Snow, is the one to get greyscale, the disease which turns one into a stone man.
If my theory that The Shrouded Lord’s purpose in the story is to tell us about Jon’s resurrection, then Jon Con is not just a symbolic wolf in the scene, but also a symbolic dragon. He was also closest to Jon's father Rhaegar as Tyrion mentions. So, it makes perfect sense that he’s the one to get greyscale in the waters where Garin called down a curse on the dragon lords of old.
As we are talking about Garin’s curse, Tyrion’s fall into the Sorrows may have proven that he’s not a Targaryen, because if he was, I think that he would have gotten greyscale. There is something magical about the Sorrows. The stone men ignored the Shy Maid as it travel through the Sorrows, and the pole boat had almost made it out the foggy landscape when Tyrion started talking about knowing that Young Griff was Rhaegar’s son, and the next thing you know, boat seem to be back where it started and they were again passing The Bridge of Dreams and this time, they were attacked by the stone men.
This plays into my theory that the story is about circular time and events are repeating but with differences…almost like different timelines. However, what I want to point out here is that on their second trip through the Sorrows when the stone men attacked, if you read the passage, they went right for Young Griff. It’s almost as if something heard Tyrion’s story and realized that there was someone with dragon blood on the boat.
So, about that vinegar. After all the evidence that shows how the description of the Shrouded Lord echoes that of the risen Christ, would you still be surprised if I tell you that vinegar also plays a part in Christ’s crucifixion?
In each of the 4 Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, it is stated that the soldiers at the crucifixion offered Jesus sour wine when he said he was thirsty. Sour wine is vinegar. In fact, in one of the gospels, it is said that Jesus is given sour wine to drink while the others refer to it as vinegar because that is basically what sour wine is…vinegar.
they gave Him sour wine mingled with gall to drink. But when He had tasted it, He would not drink. —Matthew 27:34 KJV
36 “And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.” 37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last. —Mark 15:36-37 KJV
36 The soldiers also came up and mocked him. They offered him wine vinegar 37 and said, “If you are the king of the Jews, save yourself.”— Luke 23:36
28 Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” 29 A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips. 30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. — John 19:28
Sour wine was the only type of wine that soldiers would have had available to them. For this reason, some biblical scholars have argued that as it was the only thing they had to give, it was meant as a succor and not an insult. Others have argued the opposite. The reference to vinegar is not only in the 4 gospels. It is also referenced in Psalms 69.
The Psalms are part of the Old Testament and were written by King David. However, modern biblical scholars have argued that there were other writers of these group of songs. Psalms 69 is a lament, and as it is part of the Old Testament while the Gospels and the life of Christ are distilled in the New Testament, it is also seen as a prophecy of the suffering of Christ, and this is why it is associated with his crucifixion. In the Episcopalian Church, it is recited during Good Friday services, the day of Christ’s crucifixion.
It is too long for me to include, but I do want to post a few lines. You can read the full Psalms here.
1 Save me, O God; for the waters are come in unto my soul.
 2 I sink in deep mire, where there is no standing: I am come into deep waters, where the floods overflow me.
14 Deliver me out of the mire, and let me not sink: let me be delivered from them that hate me, and out of the deep waters.
15 Let not the waterflood overflow me, neither let the deep swallow me up, and let not the pit shut her mouth upon me.
21 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.
As you can see, in the Psalm that is believed to prophesize the coming of Jesus to save us from our sins, water is used to foreshadow drowning. Although in the Psalms, the drowning is more spiritual in nature. On the other hand, in George’s tale, water is used to symbolize drowning in the green sea/weirwood net, which is what will be happening to Jon as his spirit resides in Ghost and he’s taken into the weirwood net.
It's Sansa, whose symbolic color like Jon, is grey because she is a daughter of House Stark; and thus, is wearing that color in Melisandre’s vision; and who happens to have red Night’s Queen hair, who will save Jon from drowning.
In part 3 of this series, I discussed the textural evidence that suggests the corpse queen was a redhead. However, a non-textural but still important clue to back up this idea is that in western art, mermaids are traditionally featured as redheads. There is no reference to hair color in the Andersen tale, but Disney’s famous Ariel is a redhead.
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Let’s now recap the Tyrion chapters set in and around the Sorrows that occur in ADWD, the book where Jon Snow is killed and his spirit merges with his wolf and goes into the weirwood net as foreshadowed in the Varamyr prologue. We get several chapters that both foreshadows Jon’s resurrection and that he will get greyscale that turns one into a stone like figure.
First, we get the story of the leader of the stone men, The Shrouded Lord that echoes that of the real world risen Christ who was called the Living Stone.  Jon Snow is symbolically set up as the Christ like figure in ASOIAF.
There is also Jon Con, who just happens to have the same name as Jon Snow; and who just happens to be wearing a wolfskin cloak before he goes into the Sorrows; being the one to get greyscale…a disease that turns one into a stone man.
And we have Sansa, who George has strongly set up as a symbolic mermaid/sea dragon and who I argue is the missing female greenseer in the story associated with a mysterious kiss that has already happened; or possibly is still to occur. A kiss that she remembers happening with the Hound, but all evidence points to there not being anything of a romantic nature between them. There is also the fact that Sandor’s story mirrors Jon and he’s set up as the Jon stand-in in Sansa’s arc.
We have the tale of the Shrouded Lord starting out as a stone statue and being given life by the kiss from a grey woman who had lips as cold as ice. This woman’s cold lips and her grey color can’t help but make one think of the corpse/night’s queen. And further to the grey woman who kisses the Shrouded Lord, in the same book, we hear of Melisandre’s vision of a mysterious girl wearing Stark colors and coming to Jon at the Wall.
There is also all the mermaid symbolism in the text of them rescuing a drowning male, and how this symbolically plays out with Septa Lemore saving Tyrion in the scene where he acts as the stand-in for the Shrouded Lord. A scene that also echoes that of Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection with the use of vinegar.
I could go into detail of how Sansa’s interaction with Dontos, the stand-in for Florian in her arc also symbolically mirrors that of a mermaid saving a man from drowning, but this chapter is already overlong. As a result, I will again suggest that you watch Crowfood’s Daughter video, The Grey King’s Mermaid Wife for more details.
Now that I’ve discussed all the clues that suggest Sansa will have a role to play in Jon’s resurrection as well as why the Shrouded Lord is a stand-in for Jon, you might wonder how I think his return will play out.
Well, I think that Melisandre will have a role to play in the events, but she won’t be fully responsible for his return. With her, it will be more of an accident. I think that the kiss between Sansa and Jon will take place out of time in the weirwood net, and it will in some way, magically push Jon back into his body, but he will bring some of Ghost’s savage nature with him.
On the Melisandre angle, I think that she will burn Jon. She keeps asking R’hllor to show her Stannis but all she sees is Snow. She’s seeing Jon both literally and symbolically. Her vision includes a lot of snow which has begun to fall, but as we know, and saw in the TV show, ashes can also look like snow, and that’s what Mels is seeing around Jon.
Stannis tells Justin Massey that rumor may reach them that he is dead. Will that be true or not is not the subject for now, but I think that it’s possible that Melisandre may entertain this idea when she continues to be unable to see him in the fire, and even with his death, she continues to see Jon Snow in the flames.
Maybe this will lead her to recognizes that snow can sometimes look like ashes and then she comes to the realization that she should burn Jon. The Nights Watch and Wildings who will join to dispatch those who kill Jon would want to burn his body in either case to prevent it turning into a wight.
And this is where the prophecy of waking dragons from stones will come in. As far as Melisandre is concern, that hasn’t yet happened, and so in her quest to help the missing Stannis, she may see the burning of Jon as the way to make it so. She asks for Azor Ahai, but the flames keep showing her Jon Snow. Yes, Jon is dead, but maybe she thinks the R’hllor is telling her that the burning of his body will still lead to Azor Ahai, who she believes is Stannis.
Also, while she doesn’t know about Jon’s connection to Rhaegar and that he also has Targaryen blood, the Starks come from a long line of ancient kings and his brother was recently crowned king. Thus, to her, Jon also has king’s blood. But she needs two kings to wake the dragon, and that’s where Shireen comes in.
Shireen is not a king, but she is Stannis heir and has king’s blood. And so, Melisandre has her two kings to wake a dragon. Jon Snow and Shireen. It won’t be very difficult for Mels to convince Selyse to burn her daughter to the cause…especially if it will help Stannis. The queen is a devout fanatic. Does Melisandre think she will be waking a real dragon from stone? Possibly, but who knows. The point is that she’s doing it because she thinks it will help Stannis.
The interesting thing is that the Wildings and the remaining Nights Watch brothers won’t do anything to stop it. The Wildings will be the ones primarily in charge, and as we see from Val, they already think that Shireen should not be alive because of her greyscale. So, they won’t stop Melisandre from burning her.
Where will all of this take place? Radio Westeros has a great theory that Jon’s pyre will be in the weirwood grove of nine where he and Sam said their vows. It’s a great theory and makes a lot of sense, and so, I wouldn’t rule it out. However, I also wouldn’t rule out Jon’s pyre being at the Nightfort.
As I’ve said throughout this series, Jon and Sansa will be this timeline’s version of the Night’s King and corpse queen. As these two ancient figures are so associated with the Nightfort, it seems like Jon’s resurrection should take place there, but I don’t know what reason Melisandre would have to take the body there to burn…unless Castle Black is destroyed.
Shireen and Jon will burn in the same pyre or ones next to each other and while Jon’s body will be frozen initially, the heat will melt it and open the wounds given to him by his murder. And the greyscale ashes from Shireen will enter the wounds, giving him greyscale just as he’s being pushed back into his body and awakens. And, we have the dragon waking from stone.
While the details maybe different, I think that the ideas behind what some will call a hairbrained theory is sound when you consider that Jon must get greyscale if he is to become the Shrouded Lord and personify the Living Stone that was Jesus. The wine at the Wall is even called sour and so I would not be surprised to see that playing a part in his resurrection as well. Maybe Jon’s brothers will have a toast to him and throw some sour wine on his pyre.
The other boys gathered round the eight who had been named, laughing and cursing and offering congratulations. Halder smacked Toad on the butt with the flat of his sword and shouted, "Toad, of the Night's Watch!" Yelling that a black brother needed a horse, Pyp leapt onto Grenn's shoulders, and they tumbled to the ground, rolling and punching and hooting. Dareon dashed inside the armory and returned with a skin of sour red. As they passed the wine from hand to hand, grinning like fools, Jon noticed Samwell Tarly standing by himself beneath a bare dead tree in the corner of the yard. Jon offered him the skin. "A swallow of wine?" Sam shook his head. "No thank you, Jon." —A Game of Thrones, Jon V
Note how Sam who is no longer at the wall and wasn’t there for the mutiny and so won’t be there for Jon’s resurrection is written as separate from Jon and the other boys in the scene. Martin and his consistency.
So to recap, in the same book that Jon Snow, the Christ like figure of the story is murdered, and path to resurrection foreshadowed in the Varamyr prologue, George also gives us the myth of The Shrouded Lord, a stone statues that is brought to life by the cold kiss of a grey woman... a legend which mirrors the resurrection of real world Jesus.
George also places Shireen, the child who carries the greyscale disease that causes men to turn to stone at the Wall next to dragon blooded Jon. ln in the same book, Melisandre also get's a vision of a mysterious girl in grey traveling through the snow to Jon...a girl that strong clues suggests is Sansa. All of these elements that mirror the Shrouded Lord legend coalescing around Jon Snow. Happenstance? I say no.
As we wind things down, let’s revisit the question of why George wrote greyscale into his story? Well, as I’ve just shown, he did it so that Jon, the Jesus like figure in the story can mirror the real world risen Christ as the Living Stone. However, on a deeper philosophical level, I think that he wrote greyscale into his tale to show that organize religion…especially one with a deify figure at the head can be a plague upon the people.
George questions things…especially dogma, knowing that there are often no answers to the universal questions we all ask. While he may no longer believes the religious teachings he was taught in his youth, they have had a major influence on him and his writings. He loves the lore of the Christian faith and various world religions, and that’s why his stories are filled with so much mythology.
Nonetheless, he also recognizes that much evil has been done in the name of religion since the first such organization showed its face upon the world thousands of years ago. It doesn’t matter what the religion has been. Evil has been done in its name. This is because organize religion otherizes people. It creates an us versus them dichotomy.  And if you are not part of the us, then you must be “other,” with all that it implies.
You don’t belong. Your beliefs are wrong. You’re a sinner…etc. This theme about the evilness at the heart of organize religion and the deification of individuals is at the core of ASOIAF. I think it’s what D&D attempted to capture in their ham-fisted way on the show with Dany. Worshiping glorified God-like figures is never a good thing.
However, as I’ve stated, there is a dichotomy to the idea because to be human is to be part of a group…to be part of a community where we recognize each other’s wants and need; where we protect and provide for each other. But to paraphrase Hamlet, here’s the rub, because being part of a group always without fail leads to some form of organize religion. And so, what do you do!
Well, we’ve come to the end of this chapter, and we’re getting closer to the end of the series…probably only another couple of chapters. Next time, we are going to go to some dark places as I show you why what happened to Sansa on the show is not out of the realms of possibility in the books. Not with Ramsay of course; and it may not be physical in nature, but more mental…like what Varamyr attempted with Thistle. However, I do think that dark days are ahead for Sansa before she sees the dawn. I can’t tell you when the next chapter will be here because I must psych myself up to go to that dark place and write it. I also have a lot upcoming in the New Year, and so it might not be for several months, but it will be come.
So what does everyone think of the theory that Jon is the Shrouded; Sansa the girl in grey; and the Unkiss tied to Jon's resurrectin.
All comments welcome. Until next time.
ETA on 12/26 to fix a few typos and grammatical errors and also to add the two recap paragraphs.
ETA 9/6/24 to fix a couple of additional typos and add a couple of highlight to passages.
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What if instead of being so handsome Rhaegar was born with a deformed face?
that's really interesting anon! i think one thing george really avoids (on purpose because of how Valyrian magic works, and he plays with it as well) is like, Disabled Monarchs. obviously we get a lot that are "mad" aka have some crazy ptsd and personality disorders rattling around in their brains, and we get several "simple" targaryens but we don't have much information about them! (rhaegel, vaella, and poor sweet daella). so having the crown prince, the first born son, be born with a disability is interesting.
firstly, i think a lot of people take it as a bad sign - similar to the cradle egg given to laena velaryon that is shriveled up, or maegor's various deformed children. i think aerys and tywin initially attempt to cover it up, and depending on the issue, look for a cure of some sort. hell, maybe they even think it's like greyscale-adjascent, ya know? anyways, once none of that works...i think aerys starts getting more aegon the unworthy like especially as rhaella continues to miscarry. i've kinda touched on the theory that aegon iv was purposefully trying to make himself a bastard heir that could usurp daeron in my silly little daemon ballfyre theory and i think there's some genuine evidence for this if you look at who he's taking as a mistress in the beginning of his life vs after daeron proves himself to be an "unworthy" (lol) heir. considering that we know rhaella was frequently sending her ladies away because aerys would attempt to seduce them, i think it's very likely that aerys blames this whole thing completely on rhaella and his eye starts wandering very obviously. basically gearing up for a blackfyre rebellion 2.0. the worst thing is i don't think tywin checks him on this - look at the way he handles tyrion. while i'm sure tywin would have treated tyrion a little bit better had joanna lived (because he can't blame her death on tyrion), tywin clearly has some substantial hangups about disability (bc it's all tied to feeling like the gods are laughing at him).
rhaegar would grow up much more melancholy in this scenario. likely much closer to his mother as well!
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Getting back into the swing of doing paint tutorials- I pulled a Spider out of a salvage box and I figured I'd do a quick and dirty davion scheme! This is the parade paint job for the First Davion Guards, AKA quintessential battletech 'good' guy mechs.
Paints you will need:
Black primer
Dark grey (citadel mechanicus standard grey)
Light grey (citadel dawnstone)
Off white (army painter spaceship armor)
Red (citadel mephiston red)
Light blue (citadel baharroth blue)
Green (citadel warpstone glow)
Gun metal (citadel leadbelcher)
Silver (citadel rune fang steel)
Dark wash (citadel drakenhof nightshade)
Citadel akhelian green cintrast
Citadel blood angels red contrast
Things you might want
Khaki (citadel zandri dust)
Fleshy orange (citadel ratskin flesh)
White (army painter matt white)
Dark green (citadel Caribana green)
Light red (citadel evil sunz scarlet)
Yellow (citadel averland sunset)
Black (army painter matt black)
Citadel aggaros dunes contrast
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I started by basing my mini with my normal desert badlands basing scheme (paint base in glue, sprinkle on basing sand and let cure. Paint on more glue and stick down some aquarium gravel) and then priming the whole thing black with brush-on primer.
Once the primer is finished drying, load some of your dark grey up on a fat drybrush, wipe off slightly less than most of the paint, and then apply the remainder to the model in long up and down strokes. All of the panels should be grey, with some black showing in crevices and hard to reach recesses of the model. Next, repeat this process with your light grey paint, but wipe off more and apply less liberally- you want the darker grey color to remain in most places with the edges and raised details highlighted in grey. Finally, drybrush the model one last time with your off-white color only in the areas that will catch the light most like the head, torso, shoulders, the vectoring fins on the mech's back, and the outstretched left knee.
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Now that the mech has been presented in greyscale, we can make it blue. Akhelian green is going to be doing the majority of the heavy lifting in this paint scheme- I find it to be a pretty easy contrast paint to work with. Apply it undiluted to the model, looking to spread it in a single coat like a thick wash, and then leave it to dry for 20 minutes. Afterwards, you might want to brighten the blue up in places as I did- drybrush on some light blue in the same areas you used off-white earlier.
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At this point, I got a little excited and decided to do the Davion stripes. Start with your red, pretty well thinned on your palet, and a thin detail brush. To make this easy on ourselves, we're going to look for vertical panels on the left side of the mech's torso and leg and basically connect all of those with a straight line. In the case of the Spider, the easy ones are the shoulder and that panel that runs down the upper thigh. Apply a thin edge highlight of red along those panels and then carefully continue the line down the rest of the leg, terminating at the ankle. If your hand is steady enough, run a thin line of red around the mech's ankle where the vertical line ends. Then, go back with your off-white and using the red line you made already as a guide, run a parallel stripe down the outside edge of the red (if you swap these battletech nerds will dunk on you online).
At this point, I also striped the ridge running down the Spider's helmet, but it's not super necessary.
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Now that we've got our blue sorted out, we've got a bit of a 'draw the rest of the owl' step. First, you're going to want to go back over any of the parts of the model that you want to be exposed mechanical elements with your dark grey. I painted the joints in the legs, the shoulders, the lasers and the big vent on the chest, the 'chin strap' under the spider's canopy glass, and the jump jets in this color. Then, wash the grey with your favorite dark wash- I really like the deep blue of drakenhof nightshade but something like nuln oil will also work well for this. Finally, apply a light drybrush of your light grey to the shaded grey. If a part is too recessed to easily drybrush, you can leave it as is or do use a small brush to carefully highlight it. You should also add a small dot of green to the inside of each of the laser barrels at this point.
Next, paint the mech's canopy glass silver. Once that's dry, paint over the silver with blood angels red or any other colorful contrast paint for a vibrant metallic color.
If you're following along with my desert basing, paint the sand on the base khaki and the larger pebbles with your fleshy orange. Then paint over everything with agarros dunes contrast or a dark brown wash like agrax earthshade.
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And with that you have a Spider that's fully ready for tabletop with 3 colors, shading, and a textured base. There's still a couple more things we can do if you have more time and patience that I'll detail below.
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To apply some quick and dirty jeweling to the lasers, start by painting a half circle of light green on each barrel, focused on one of the bottom corners. Paint the recess of the barrel with a dot of dark green and put a tiny little dot of white opposite the half circle of green, which should now be more of a crescent shape with with dark spot in the center.
While the white is still in your pallet, you can also highlight the parts of the off white stripes on the mech most exposed to overhead light like the lower thigh, knee, and shoulder. Do the same thing with the red stripe using a light red as well.
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At this point I also added unit numbering to the mech's shoulder. Basic numbers are a really good way to practice your fine control and I try to consistently add a couple to each of my projects. Use your off-white well thinned and a fine detail brush, lock your hand holding the model against your hand holding the brush just below the wrists, and then draw the paintbrush 'downwards' with a pulling motion. This should keep you your line relatively straight and fine.
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While you can keep the jump jets on your mech dark I prefer to paint mine with some orange in them. Using the fleshy orange from earlier, paint most of the interior of each jump jet, then add a dot of yellow at the very deepest recess of each one.
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Finally, let's add some hazard stripes to the mech. Pick out a few areas near joints or vents that seem like a bad place for an Astech's hand to go and paint in a thick 'edge highlight' of black. Then, going back to yellow find the center of the line and add a diagonal tickmark there. You may need to go over this more than twice to get a strong color depending on your yellow. Once your centerline is marked, work out towards the edges, painting another ticmark at regular intervals until you hit the ends of the Black.
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I love your Hatchetfield fics Grayscale and Hidden Depths. Can you tell me a tidbit about both/ether of them?
AHHHHHHH I’d be happy to oblige!!!
As much as I’d like to talk about both at the moment… I hate to admit this, but I’ve really been ignoring the existence of Hidden Depths as of recent. And Greyscale, but Hidden Depths deserves attention too! So, since Chapter 6 has been held back for so long, why not share some more about the Old Lords?
HD: ULTIMATE Recap was, after all, only a very small tidbit of extra info on them. I’m also working on a piece that’ll show you all their designs- except Kindler’s, since we’ve already seen his, but I’m not even halfway through that yet. Starting to get pretty concerned with how little I’ve been doing stuff as of recent…
Well, anyways! Here’s some extra information on the Old Lords and my thought process behind making them.
Kynzol Errakt (aka Kindler)
The God of the Sun and Flames, as you know. Previously known as the God of Drought in Chapter 1, but I felt like it was pretty odd to have a god whose powers can only be defined by what they aren’t associated with.
Obviously very draconic in design, but the dragon actually isn’t his associated animal. That would go to the thorny devil: everybody’s favourite spiky little reptile that I felt best summed up what exactly I was trying to go for with Kindler, and that was before I learned that they can apparently drink water by absorbing it through their feet!
Known as the Everburning Star, Kindler is the de facto leader of the Old Lords. He carries himself with a sophisticated yet very intentionally intimidating disposition, and tends to not really think about the wellbeing of others unless it affects his.
It’s fairly obvious from his behaviour that he has a pretty big god complex (ironic, huh?), and is incredibly stubborn in his beliefs. Not even the Old Lords would ever dare speak out against him: the only reason why they’re so comfortable with his presence is because they’ve spent 5,000 years with him.
You may be wondering why I chose this specific personality when it’s not very different from Wiggly’s. Well… that’s because Kindler was pretty much just based on my perception of what Wiggly’s predecessor probably would’ve acted like, which slowly developed into the dragon we know today.
The main difference between them, I’d say, is that Wiggly is only partly scary (hence why so many people are in love with him), whereas Kindler is actually genuinely scary and villainous. It’s like the difference between any normal Disney villain and Emperor Belos from The Owl House.
Trypnarash (aka Thrasher)
The God of Noise, associated with a bat for fairly obvious reasons. Rather fittingly, also as blind as a bat. For some reason he switches between having an Australian or a Cockney accent depending on whichever one I think would be better suited to what he’s saying.
Known as the Beastly Cacophony, Thrasher is… loud. Very loud. Strangely enough, he’s actually surprisingly chill: he’s pretty much fine with anything as long as it’s entertaining.
However, it’s important to keep in mind that this still doesn’t make him a good person. He’s evil just like the rest of them, only in his own ways. (Not Evil from The Lego Movie 2 is a song that I associate with him quite a lot, by the way.)
Inspiring false hope so that the others can crush it, and toying with people in more personal ways, is his MO. He pretty much does whatever’s most entertaining to him at the moment: the only reason why he’s alright with Blinky not being evil is because in a few months, he’s gonna be dead for good. No point in caring about that.
Gazon Q’raktic (aka Gazer)
The Goddess of Space, associated with jellyfish since it was the first animal I thought of that felt alien enough to be associated with space. Also known as the Scholar of the Stars.
My basic concept behind her and her personality was “what if the ancient deity was a girlboss.” A stark contrast to the slowly rotting incel with ADHD that we call Tinky. Some would call her arrogant, though it’s important to keep in mind that arrogance implies misplaced confidence.
And hers is definitely not misplaced.
She is smarter than you. Much, much smarter. Gazer has peered into the distant voids of space, and understands the universe in a way no one else can. She knows how the Big Bang happened, she knows about the existence of extraterrestrial life, and the answers to many more unanswered questions about the universe. How does she know? Simple: she figured it out. HERSELF.
She has an IQ of at least 2,000. And she is cursed with knowledge no one else can ever bear: because no one, not even any of her fellow Old Lords, is intelligent enough to understand it.
Kindler is arrogant to the point of being delusional. Gazer is… probably the only one out of those five who actually has her head on straight.
Honestly, she’s also probably the closest to being a good person, as well? Whenever she plays with mortals, it’s usually some kind of simple challenge with fair enough rules, which only gets violent if those rules are broken.
Retonydunfir (aka Rattler)
The God of Decay, associated with vultures. The name Rattler comes from the bones all over his body. Known as the Harbinger of Decay.
Rattler is… you know how I just said Gazer’s probably the only sane one there? He’s close to being sane. Not quite there yet, though.
His base personality is best described as the archetypical cranky grandfather who says the most appalling and racist things as if he’s just talking about the weather. Except Rattler is more intimidating than that.
He works slightly differently to the other Lords in that his powers are fueled. When something somewhere in the universe dies or decays- no matter how great or small- he gains power.
He is obsessed with what he calls the “art” of decay. Partly because it fuels his powers, but mainly because he’s just, for lack of a better term, a nightmare fetishist.
This stretches not only to physical decay, but mental decay as well. Unlike Nibbly, he’s very patient, and prefers to make people suffer through slow torment that steadily gets worse as it continues, rather than just… eating them.
Definitely not someone you want to have on your bad side… or your good side, as he’s known to subject some of his own followers to similar things once they die. What they endured his room (and, to this day, continue to endure in Nibbly’s room) can only be described as a really big, really long retelling of I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream.
Stinturmor (aka Stinger)
The Goddess of War and Discord, and probably my favourite out of the old Lords in Black? Her associated animal is an ant, because ants go to war with each other all the time. She’s known as the Gyne General (a gyne being the primary reproductive female in a system of insects, i.e. an ant queen).
She has two forms in total. The first and more commonly seen one is a small cartoony blue ant. The second… I can’t talk about what the second one looks like.
She’s also the first of the Old Lords to have her room fully designed. It’s a medieval castle on a hill (🎶 AS THE STORY GOES 🎶), mainly either royal blue or baby blue in colour.
She likes ponies, drinking tea with honey, and drawing her favourite mortals all being horrifically tortured whilst laying on her little princess bed with her feet kicking in the air like a toddler.
…Yeah.
So the main inspiration for Stinger, as well as my headcanon voice for her, was The Ghost of Christmas Present from Scrooged. If you’ve watched that, I’m sure you’ll know exactly what Stinger’s going to be like in the story, specifically when talking to Pokey.
The reason why that specifically is her personality is because, if Pokey represents peace and harmony, she represents war and discord. Dissonance, conflict, contrasting elements between characters.
So naturally, my only option with her was to play up the general vibe of the canon LiB, giving her two sides: the first being this cutesy little whimsical creature who talks like she’s from Oz, and the second being a horrible nightmare that’ll torture you for days on end, kill you as soon as she gets bored, and then resurrect you as soon as she gets bored of all her other favourite playthings.
She also has the ability to summon any weapon at will. And I do mean any weapon, even ones that she shouldn’t feasibly be able to wield. She prefers ones from the Dark Ages or beforehand, but unfortunately for you, our dearest Stinger doesn’t exactly believe in consistency.
For this very reason, I am very much looking forward to writing a scene in Hidden Depths where she just nonchalantly whips out a grenade launcher.
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Radiostatic week day 1
Since I wasn't here for the actual one, you get some belated ship
Behold
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Almost monochromatic Vox
This is First Meeting, as in Vox dropped down, Alastor found him in his generic spawn-clothes (aka a shirt jacket and pants he found in the dumpster, all gray for some reason) and due to his old screen he's in greyscale
They're drinking rum with ice 🤭
(PS: Alastor is traced from OG ref cause I'm physically unable to drw him yet want to draw, so I resorted to extreme measures) (the entire rest is mine)
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4.01  ⇢  4.13 (aka Echo being soulmates and knowing each other and calling each other out on the proposal attempts) happy birthday @fivelittlebirdies
[Image Description: Ten stacked gifs from Roswell, New Mexico.
The first five gifs show Max’s two proposal attempts side by side.
On the left - Max: What I want to say is that meeting you and being with you elevated my life. When you moved in, you did something I didn’t think was possible. Max starts to pull a ring box out of his back pocket. Max: You taught me that I can grow so much more. Woman: Oh my God, yes! A thousand times yes!
On the right - Liz: You have abuela’s ring in your hand, don’t you? Max: How long have you known? Liz, turning around: I knew for certain after the gazebo. Max: Sounds like a bad thing. Liz: It’s a wonderful thing. Max smiles. Liz: I just can’t help but wonder if it’s the right time.
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The sixth gif has two scenes of Liz side by side, not quite in greyscale, but the coloring is very muted.
On the left - Liz: I’m waiting for the next shoe to drop... How do we just drive off into the sunset, happy, when I feel like the next thing is around the corner.
On the right - Liz: I’m not afraid of the other shoe anymore. Cause it dropped and we handled it.
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The final four gifs show Liz’s two proposal attempts.
On the left - Max: You add so many wonderful things to my life. Liz smiles as she clutches the ring box behind her back. Max: And that makes what I’m about to say that much harder. Liz’s smile disappears and she slips the ring box back in her pocket.
On the right - Max: I know what you were gonna do yesterday after the wedding. Do you still have it in your pocket? Liz slowly pulls out the ring box. Max takes it, pulls the ring out, and slips it on her finger. Max: This is me saying hell yes. Liz nods and she has tears forming in her eyes. Liz: To be fair, I kinda stepped on your proposal first. ]
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rjalker · 1 year
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It's so cute I can't believe it's my own character. Look how cute it is.
And you can get it on a shirt from my threadless store. I might get myself one for our birthday :)
Each of these "styles" of Cenotaph exist in different, but parallel universes, cannonically. Because it's more fun that way.
Anyways here's another version of a "Wheelchair" for Flatlanders -- a "swimmer" that gets attached to the muscles inside the exoskeleton so that the paddles(? haven't decided the exact terminology yet) will push you along, if we assume that Flatlanders "swim" or "fly". (the only difference is your perspective of density)
For aethers (aka daemons) who shapeshift until they settle, your options are limited for mobility aids unless you limit yourself to only forms that can use the ones available to you. After you settle, and finish growing, then you can get some more long-term options.
Getting mobility aids in Flatland as an Irregular is an extremely harrowing and illegal process.
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[ID: Three digital drawings on a black background, with white outlines, showing different styles of an original Flatland character, Cenotaph. The first style is labeled, "Literal Line", and shows an upward pointing arrow with a small box around the straight tail, with small curved lines coming off the sides, like cilia. The second is labeled, "Speculative", and shows a more detailed Flatland version as seen from above. In this form, Cenotaph has a grey exoskeleton, and a body with a rounded main section, and two long ear-shaped sections at the top, with its eye in the center. Its blood is purple, and its brain, lung, stomachs, heart, and reproductive organs are in different shades of pink and dark red. Attached to the sides of its main body section are two cage-like contraptions with five points boring into Cenotaph's exoskeleton, with the outside covered in the same short curved likes as the simplified version as cilia or fins. One side of the "swimmer" is colored gold to make it easier to see, the other is greyscale. Where the barbs are injected into Cenotaph's exoskeleton, there are thick black lines of scar tissue around them. The final drawing is labled, "Stylized", and shows a three-dimensional cartoon rabbit walking on all fours, with an orange and yellow wheelchair holding its back legs up off the ground, with orange straps and yellow cushioning. The rabbit is dark brown, with three black stripes on its back, a black fluffy tail, and two stripes, one thick, the other thin, on its ankles and ears, with a single large orange eye with a brown slit pupil in the center of its face instead of a mouth.
End ID.]
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dkniade · 1 year
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If there are Genshin characters whose design aesthetics match my style of character designs (aka, if there are GI characters that look like I could’ve designed them..?? Maybe a simpler version though haha)
I think… it’d probably be Diluc LMAO (medium/long-ish warm-coloured hair, black jacket, fire, alternate/secret identity, something to do with crime…) Or probably a mix between Rosaria & Amber but toned down, if you squint. But I admit, I haven’t really tried to do xianxia character designs prior to the game so the game is probably gonna be an inspiration for if I do designs like that?
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These OC concepts are quite old except for the last three haha
Fuwuya (腐乌鸦, lit. rotten crow in Chinese) (she/her)
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Taru (he/him), Chroma (she/her?)
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Thea (she/her), Edwin/Devin (he/him)
(orange-haired (Edwin) and greyscale (Devin) are the same person. identity issue)(man if I could render like THAT again… wow. So this is what I was up to in 2019 huh……)
(red jacket version is the “most current” design so naturally, when I first saw Kaeya’s key visual, I thought “Where have I seen these shapes before…. WAIT. WOW I’M PREDICTABLE” hahaha)
(because, I guess my type of character is just “friendly guy who’s depressed on the inside but has cool jacket.” bonus points if they’re an artist in any way, take a shot if they have trauma)
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Yinqing (阴晴, uses Chinese hanzi for cloudy and clear (skies))(they/them), Jintou (金偷, uses Chinese hanzi for gold and steal/thief)(she/her/he/him)
(These are just very rough designs still. Need to learn to do research first…)
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Connor (he/him), Juki (樹希, uses Japanese kanji for tree and rare)(she/her), Frank (he/him)
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But really, these are mostly influenced by Sidu’s character designs for JIN’s Kagerou Project (I thought the Mekakushi Gang was very cool), Neru’s pre-CYNICISM MVs (specifically “World Domination How-To” (How To Sekai Seifuku) “Jailbreak”(Datsugoku) and “Life Prolonging Treatment” (Enmei Chiryou))… Thea’s second design specifically is inspired by the black-haired character in Yoshimitsu Taki’s “Setsuna Drive” (character also designed by sidu)
suddenly pivoted to xianxia furries around 2021 (thanks Genshin Impact and Word of Honour) haha. (Reference photo in Yinqing’s sketch is of Wen Kexing from Word of Honour.) The last three are recent redesigns of old character concepts… (but the tear-drop shape is vaguely inspired by Dvalin’s tear, and Frank basically looks like a short-haired version of my interpretation of Diluc)
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Every single one of these characters (except for Fuwuya) is an artist of sorts….
Painter: Edwin/Devin
graphic designer: Thea, Chroma
Ceramicist: Jintou
poet/lyricist: Taru, Yinqing, Juki, Frank
musician: Yinqing, Connor, Juki, Frank
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frenziedcrescendo · 7 months
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(spoilers ahead for splatoon 3 DLC: Side Order. it contains things from marina's dev diaries, so keep this on hold if you want to see the lore with your own hard work.)
Do you guys feel like the first clear ending of side order is kinda confusing? [flashhhhhback-] (Pearl: There it is… Eight! I'm feeling your vibe!) [back to present!] that sentence absolutely explains nothing(TM). what did acht do before the qte? what's eight's vibe? and why did that restore them from greyscaling? It's basically a very poorly done Deus EX Machina, and that's one very poorly done Deus EX Machina too many in my book. so i decide to write a whole essay on what actually happened in my opinion.
some ground work: from marina's dev diaries we know that a palette is basically the template of someone's soul, the one thing left after going through sanitisation a/o greyscaling, and color chips are pieces of memories extracted from memcakes, which one must select the most suitable (aka most connected to themself) to place onto their palettes, before using them in practical battles, a literallization of processing outside world with their own memory, to become themselves again.
but here's the interesting part. if you pause and look at your palette during the Colorful, Vibrant Battle(the one where you become god), You will realize the palette is equipped with the 6 "spectrum chips", or, every single chip of that type. and it makes you FEEL something, according to its description. for red, "You feel like you're brimming with strength!", and purple, "You feel like the world has your back!", so on. these chips effectively, through their collective strength, made agent 8 feel the positive thought in these countless memories.
for power, it's unrivaled confidence. for support, it's the warmth knowing you'll never be alone. for range, it's the motivation to achieve whatever your aim is at. for mobility, (probably)the freeing sensation knowing you're shackled by reality no more. for lucky, the positive outlook that for once, everything will turn out fine. and drone, the trust in they who will never leave you come rain or shine.
(that is so sappy. never again)
All of them positive emotion birthed from the myriad of memories throughout the world. and one thing they have in common: they inspire change. to, with the power these memories grant you, stop stalling in your safety zone. to plunge into unknown. of course order disliked this. of course it pulled the souls with the most vibrant colors with the intent to bleach them so they don't want change anymore. of course they in turn is the only way to combat greyscaling. so of course, when the color chips resonated with the backing track acht played right before everything went to blank, it once again inspired eight to rise up again to change this bleak and inevitable end, and their allies to up the hype enough that even order can see the beauty of variability, randomness, and change.
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Hello pasta!
I drew this a few months ago after revisit the first few chapters of TRT. I hadn’t drawn anything in so long, but I felt inspired! Hope you enjoy! This is me as Jane, I’m significantly smaller than Matt and I’d be lying if I didn’t enjoy that. My 5’0 Latina ass loves the high difference lol. As always keep up the amazing work❤️❤️
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OH MY GOD THIS IS SO FUCKING AWESOME
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FIRST OF ALL, LOOK AT HIM ALL SMIRKY AND CHARMING AND HAPPY, bastard is in love and delighted about that red thread (and you got the little bit of his hair that always sticks up which I LOVE thank you), ever present stubble YES and the hand in the pockets, aka one of my favorite poses, smug man
And I LOVE you as Jane! THE KEEEEEEEEEEY (go nowhere without it), and I love the expression, there's a spark there that's very Jane matt has probably said something ridiculously charming but you can't smile *too* much when he does or his ego will get big. I also adore that the color here is the red thread! It gives the thread that kind of ethereal otherworldly vibe when it's in color but the rest is greyscale!
and yessssss the height difference! I try not to say much about Jane's height so that people can see her as short or as tall as needed, but if I had to give her a height, she'd be shorter than Matt in part to better facilitate climbing into small places that matt has to come haul her out of.
Thank you so so much for coming to show me this! I GIVE THIS MY SEAL OF APPROVAL.
SEAL. DO YOUR THING.
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illumiera · 11 months
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9, 68, 77 for the writer asks?
from this 📖 ask game! 📖
oh, thank you for the ask, anon! 💖
9: do you comment on stories you read?
without fail! that is, if I read a story and I enjoy it, I'll then reread it, take notes, and hit the writer in the face with—I mean, gently deposit a generally quite lengthy comment in the writer's inbox. I like to water my local author plants however I can, and I know exactly how encouraging hearing from readers and getting to talk about your story, your characters, and your world can be when you've spent days, weeks, or months getting a chapter just right, so I make sure I do it every time or as close to it as I can! (that, and it makes me smile to think of someone's day being improved, even by the tiniest amount...)
68: what, if anything, do you do for inspiration?
the simplest answer, sometimes, is "get out of my chair". I mean it—if I'm having trouble thinking, the moment I'm upright and doing something else, I'll often get the idea I was looking for! I also get a lot of inspiration while resting, while walking from place to place, and while listening to music and imagining the Scenarios™ to go with it.
when I have writers' block, I like to read books that I know will inspire me, like those of my absolute favourite author, Juliet Marillier. (I'm on a one-woman mission to get every single person in the world to read Heart's Blood, aka the best Beauty and the Beast retelling I've ever read.) 🥰
77: do you have a favourite scene you've written from your story?
oh, wow, what a cruel question, making me pick just one! that said, probably my favourite scene so far is in the second chapter of i fear no fate (for you are my fate), where Miraak and Elentari meet in a dream as she's camping near Falkreath:
His skin is pale, lighter even than hers, which burns in summer without a protective salve and flushes pink to the ears in the cold, but at his knuckles, ghost-white bleeds into stained flesh. It appears pure black at first, but the longer she looks, the more colours she can make out, as though he has dipped his fingers into a calligrapher’s inkpots over and over again: charcoal, jewel-deep green, purple as rich as jazbay wine, the indigo that fills the sky in the quiet before dawn. Tipping them are nails like claws in those same oil-spill shades, and though they’re sharp enough to slice her, she knows without needing to be told that he would not. And his stare—it’s so weighty that it could almost be another presence wedged between them. His eyes are fixed on her and not his own gradual uncovering, watching to see if she’ll skitter back in revulsion or if she’ll rise to the challenge he’s wordlessly set for her. Elentari stays perfectly still. She’s afraid, but not of him and the marks Apocrypha has left on him. She’s afraid of what she might feel when she lets his bare skin touch her own, because something tells her that it will alter her in a way she cannot take back. Her gaze flicks up to his, challenging him in return. Well? Miraak raises his hand and reaches out for hers, but allows her one last chance to back down, leaving an inch-wide gap between them that she must bridge herself. It’s funny, but since he’s such a broad-shouldered giant of a man, she’d expected him to have a swordsman’s hands, all rough and blunt, but aside from a few calluses, they’re almost a musician’s or a scholar’s, slim-fingered and… soft, she thinks as their palms meet. So soft, and so warm, and— —and so right. In that moment, Elentari forgets how to form words, or even how to think. Her whole being—every sensation and every heartbeat and every bit of air in her lungs—narrows down to that point of contact, and when his frame rocks with a fierce shudder, she feels it as if it’s in her own bones. It’s like releasing a breath, like an onrush of clarity that shifts the world from greyscale to glorious technicolour, like she could sprout a pair of wings to rival the solar radiance of his Dragon Aspect, like— —like her soul has somehow been waiting for this longer than she’s had a body. “Krosis, mal dovahdin. I have not done this before,” he says, and his voice is hoarse and strange. He betrayed no reaction when she leapt out of her rented bed brandishing the strongest flame spell she knew, one that would have surely burned both him and the inn in which they stood to ash had such a thing been possible in a dream, but now, she has rattled him with a single soft touch of her fingers. “Dreh ni vos zey bo. You must not let go until I say.”
just... I love how rattled they both get, how this is where Miraak decides he won't kill her as long as she doesn't come to Apocrypha and where Ellie decides she'll come to Apocrypha to save him, how he translates his Dovahzul as "you must not let go until I say" but actually says "do not let me go", how he totally doesn't need to touch her hand but he thinks he's being crafty about it, how he takes off his glove to do it with his bare hand, how Ellie has no idea how right she is when she thinks her soul has been waiting for this longer than she's had a body, how they're holding hands in a tent, people... ah! I'm sure a future scene will usurp this one in time, but for now, this one's my favourite! 💖
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laudrawin · 2 years
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Atiel - Discovering the despair.
A short story by Laudrawin (aka me). I'm not native speaker, so apologies in advance ♥️
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She was 12 years old when she discovered her special ability. She wouldn't know until Visrelle found her more mature, but this was indeed a side effect of Atiel's parents' experiments.
They were unethical scientists. They wanted to create the ultimate weapon, and sell it to the best buyer. And that included experimenting with their own embryos. As far as Visrelle and Atiel know, only she survived the atrocities those scientists did with their own children.
Modifications gave Atiel a dark blue skintone and white hair turning light blue towards the tips. Many people confused her with a nightborne, and she really hated it. Her bright velvet eyes were due to the experiments, too, and they scared other kids at the orphanage away.
Atiel loved to scape the orphanage every now and then. She enjoyed Darkshore's humid and cold winds of the night. She loved to hide in the shadows and spy all the grown up elves she could see walking around at night. Her pointy ears would instinctively move towards any sound around her. She loved the wilds, but she also knew there were wild, elf-eating trolls around the town, so she had to be extra careful, since they knew how to be sneaky, too.
But not only the trolls were around to hunt her down at first sight. There were sabercats and bears all over Darkshore, and a young elf was an easy prey. At least that was what the big cat that was stalking her must've thought. She was walking on a lonely, lightless road at night when that dark brown tiger with white stripes jumped on her. She let go a scream when she felt it pass through her. Her sight became a blueish greyscale, and the confused tiger turned around to mawl her, however it couldn't touch her, but its claws and teeth would pass through her without harming her. She was looking at the beast, scared. The tiger growled, a growl she never heard, and ran away in confusion.
Atiel looked at her own hands, she realised they were ghostly, and she was able to look through them. The world seemed different to her. The sky turned into a spiral of clouds leading somewhere up the sky, but the sounds of the coast disappeared. She realised she never heard the sabertooth cat's growls either.
It was fun discovering it at first, but despair began to conquer Atiel's heart when the first souls arrived to her. They were souls that never got their peace with the living world, and couldn't leave either. Some of them murmured in thalassian, others were orcish or troll. They seemed ancient and attracted to the girl.
Assimilating this took a while for the girl, who got easily overwhelmed by the whisps and ran into a tiny cave to hide from them. She knew she couldn't come back like that, since no one would help her, so she stood in that cave waiting for this weird thing to get back to normal. She discovered she couldn't drink or eat while listening and watching the soul realm.
Atiel tried her best to get back to normal, but she never found the correct way. She fainted days later due to thirst and hunger, and that's how her body came back to normal.
Lucky her, her buddy Ysaal managed to track her once she was back, rescued an unconscious girl and brought her back to the orphanage.
-I was falling asleep by the end but I hope you like this! XOXO LAU 😘
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daisyiln3001 · 2 years
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My notes on Hito Steyerl, How Not to be Seen: A Fucking Didactic Educational .MOV File, 2013
Overall i found this piece quite strange. Personally I would dub it as 'arty farty' because of the mildly unsettled atmosphere. However i think i picked up some points that I could use in my own research. Below are my notes from watching the video. Most of the notes are a transcription of the voice over. The following section is what I can take from this.
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Lesson 1 how to make something invisible for camera. to hid it (hand cover), move it, take it off screen, disappear. Resolution target marks visibility of an image.
zoom out of a map, of the earth. whatever is not captured by resolution is invisible
Lesson 2, how to be invisible in plain sight. 7 ways: Pretend you are not there, hide in plain sight, scroll, wipe, to erase, to shrink, to take a picture, (hypnotic imagery?)
Love is invisible. so is war. capitalism. images of desert and lines on a grid
In the 1950s and 60s US Airforce installed grayscale resolution targets in the California desert.
Lesson 3. 7 ways of becoming a picture camoflague. conceal, cloak, mask, to be painted, to disguise, to mimicry, to key (aka chroma key)
In 2000 a new standard for resolution targets is introduced. Pixel based resolution target. 1966 photographic resolution = 12metres per pixel. today it is one foot. to become invisible you must become smaller or equal to one pixel.
ensue epic montage of people with box heads, being pixels
lesson 4. 13 ways of becoming invisible by disappearing gated community, living in a military zone, being in an airport factory or museum, owning an anti paparazzi handbag, wearing an invisibility cloak, being a superhero, being a woman over 50, surfing the dark web, being a dead pixel, being a wifi signal moving through human bodies, being a documented au pair, being spam caught by a filter, being caught as an enemy of the state, eliminated liquidated and the dissimulated
Digital revolution.170,000 people disappear. they are deleted, filtered
invisible people kept in 3d animations. they reemerge as pixels . they merge into a world made of images.
people in green niqab-like outfits spin menacingly on a computer desktop screen
Lesson 5 54 ways to merge into a world made of images. The green screen from before has shown up again!! in the desert!!
In 2006 this pattern used bc analog photography lost its importance.
haha text on screen says shoot real background, and then it becomes said background. Shots of the camera being used to film the scene. 3D animation walks out of the pop up screen and into the real world. and then eventually disappear.
Lots of text production notes pop up on screen. but they are not fulfilled.
invisible chroma people fight the line grid. fade to black
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Figure 1. USAF 1951 optical calibration target.  
This is the first time I learned about 'greyscale resolution targets'. they were used for ariel photography for the US airforce in the 1950s and 1960s. The bars used for it have a similar function to an optometrist's eyechart.
"...the smallest group of bars that can be resolved marks the limit of the resolution for the optical instrument that is being used. For aerial photography, it provides a platform to test, calibrate, and focus aerial cameras traveling at different speeds and altitudes. The targets can also be used in the same way by satellites.
Many of these resolution test targets are found in the Mojave desert of California, one of the principal development and test areas for surveillance aircraft. " (Photo Calibration Targets | The Center for Land Use Interpretation, 2013)
Many technological advancements start as military tech before being used by a wider scope of people, for example, GPS devices. Considering the resolution test targets were used in conjunction with surveillance aircrafts, the grid could be incorporated into my own visual outcome.
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The notion of spatial resolutions is intriguing. I was aware that it was a thing but didn't make my own connection to it for this project. On printed maps there is a key that tells you how the distance on the page translates to the actual size of the place. This is known as a scale.
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(Group 3, no date)
For satellite images, the same can be applied. Steyerl notes that a satellite image works in pixels. Anything that is smaller than one pixel effectively becomes invisible, because the resolution makes it invisible. She links this with imagery of a camera zooming far far out until the full earth is in view. This is effective because of the dramatic interpretation of it. The starting image is completely concealed because of how zoomed out the camera is, to the point where if you showed it to someone, they could only imagine what the starting image was, if it existed at all!
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Chroma key is another form of invisibility for Steyerl's video. Chroma key is a film making technique of replacing one solid block colour, often green or blue, with another pre existing image or video. By using a green screen, you can place a subject in a completely different space. Instead of it looking like the bedroom you are filming in, it can look like you are in the jungle. A bright green tends to be used because it rarely appears in skintones or haircolour, and creates a clear distinction between a human subject and a background. Alternatively you could paint the subject green to disguise them within the background. Steyerl uses both approaches in her commentary, by painting her face with (presumably) green paint, and using a green backdrop in the production of many scenes.
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Steyerl, H. (2015) ‘Hito Steyerl, _How Not to be Seen: A Fucking Didactic Educational .MOV File_, 2013’, Artforum, 20 April. Available at: https://www.artforum.com/video/hito-steyerl-how-not-to-be-seen-a-fucking-didactic-educational-mov-file-2013-51651 (Accessed: 14 November 2022).
Photo Calibration Targets | The Center for Land Use Interpretation (2013). Available at: https://clui.org/newsletter/winter-2013/photo-calibration-targets (Accessed: 14 November 2022).
Wide Field Scanning Telescope Using MEMS Deformable Mirrors - Scientific Figure on ResearchGate. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/USAF-1951-optical-calibration-target_fig1_230817663 [accessed 14 Nov, 2022]
What is Chroma Key? | Adobe (no date). Available at: https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/video/discover/what-is-chroma-key.html (Accessed: 14 November 2022).
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hurglewurm · 2 years
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last of those kofi fundraisies that i did a few months ago ! these are the non-creachers, aka,, only ofmd characters
[id: three bust drawings of characters from our flag means death. the first is jim in shades of yellow, pushing up their hat and peering at the viewer. the second is ed, without his beard in stede’s red robe; ed is in greyscale, but the robe and background are both red. the last is stede in profile, looking bashfully at the viewer. his skin is coloured pale yellow and the rest of the image is in shades of red. end id.]
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hattedhedgehog · 3 years
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Xie'er the Scorpion King (aka an excellent boy 10/10)
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[Image descriptions: a series of digital sketches of Xie’er from Word of Honor. The first page is a sepia tinted greyscale sketch of him in his tasseled scorpion robes, with red eyeliner accents as he looks murderous. Next to that are 4 uncoloured expression sketches of him making an exaggerated innocent face, a smitten face, a playful smirk with head tilt and a wide eyed look of focus. The second page has 2 drawings: the first is a greyscale lighting study of him in profile playing his pipa, and the second is a lightly textured flat grayscale study of him with shining eyes and flushed cheeks, looking up in confusion.]
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“I see...but it’s okay, Mephiles. I’m okay...I’m here, and I’m not going anywhere...”
good morning look what i did <3
reblogs appreciated, but not required, especially if this kind of angst isnt your thing! The s/i here, Lila, uses she/they pronouns and is nonbinary!
some context below the cut for those who don’t know bad sonic game Sonic lore (tm) and also my own lore. tw for death and stuff (dont worry, it ends up happy !!)
Basically, near the climax of Sonic 06, Mephiles the Dark (the greyscale shadow recolor) kills Sonic so that Elise - the human girl seen briefly in the middle panel of the first page - will cry, and thus release a monster called Iblis, that Mephiles then joins with and becomes a big bad guy to fight
in the plans I have for Lila’s fic, aka my fanfic for her as a s/i and oc, she sacrifices herself to try and save Sonic upon finding out what Mephiles is planning. No doubt after she dies, Mephiles went ahead and killed Sonic anyway...but he retains memories of her death, despite the fact that at the end of Sonic 06, the timeline where Lila dies is erased and reset so that nothing in the game ever actually happened.
However, in the fic planned for Sonic Generations, I plan for Lila to regain her memories of the events of the timeline that got erased. AKA, she remembers Mephiles accidentally killed her...but he remembers it as well, as he survived the timeline destruction through reasons I won’t explain here. anyway, he has recurring nightmares abt it...ones that can get to even a monster like himself.
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