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destinyc1020 · 4 months

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What a truly weird comment from that Robert Daniels guy (and he is someone who hasn't even seen the show to decide for himself). To say that Tom's only 'life experience(s)' have happened in show business. That is a really callous, to act like he hasn't lived like a human in love and loss and disappointments and achievements outside of his work, like we ALL do. To dismiss him as just some one dimensional product of the industry with no life is just gross to me? And the same critic replied with laughing emojis to someone who said it was generous to even call him an actor. Just a huge, huge yikes. I am really getting just a nasty, nasty vibe from some of these critics. Even IF Tom was someone who acted as poorly as someone on a soap opera (which he certainly doesn't, he has turned in some truly fantastic performances in his career and thats just a fact), no one deserves to be spoken about like that from people who are supposedly professionals. People seem to take a really disrespectful kind of joy in insulting him, I know that people can be absolutely vicious to anyone in the public eye, but this just seems truly WAY too much.

The positive reviews from actual publications outweigh the negative. Someone did a review roundup where the count was 17 that had 4-5 stars, 5 with 3 stars, and 3 with 1-2 stars. The narrative I'm seeing on twitter just does not reflect the reality of the reception - it was received WELL. Anyways, sorry for the rant Destiny, but I expect this kind of behavior from trolls, but from professionals living their Twitter mean girl fantasy it gives me a big ick. I'm just glad the audience reception and the majority of critics have appreciated him and Fran's performance and Jamie's production, and I'd just like to see more clickbait about THAT instead of this strange negativity that's cropped up.

Also, am thinking about you and sending you lots of love and condolences, I hope that fandom can be a positive distraction for you in a tough time. Thank you for your discussions on this blog, and I hope you take care of yourself first and foremost

First of all, thank you so much for this.🙏🏾 I really appreciate it 🥰❤️

Re: Robert Daniels....

I assume you must be referring to this comment he made on Twitter?

Yea girl, I felt like his critique of Tom was just kinda cruel?? 🥴 Like, it's one thing to critique someone's acting, but when you start making all kinds of ASSUMPTIONS about someone and what kind of life they've had, etc, I'm sorry, but that's hitting below the belt imo. 🤨

And I usually don't resort to going in on people's looks and outward appearance when I'm trying to do a rebuttal to smthg I didn't like that someone said, but whew chiiiiilllle..... 👀

Talk about a face only a mother could love lol

Anyway....

I really do hope that Tom just doesn't even pay any mind to the critics and just continues on to enjoy doing this play as simply a passion project for himself and himself only.

Idk what people's obsession is with hating on him on Twitter (I guess he's become Twitter's new "Whipping Boy".... it happens to MANY actors 🙄), but whenever I see ppl en masse hating on someone for seemingly NO GOOD reason, my spidey senses start tingling and I figure that this person must not be as "bad" as people claim, cuz if he were, you wouldn't need such a mass mud slinging and hate campaign against this person. Everyone would be able to see with their own eyes how awful this person is. Jmho 🤷🏾‍♀️

You don't need to convince people so hard when there's actually smthg to really hate about a person imo.

Tom's acting is fine. Don't worry, the stans came after that Robert guy lol 😆 😂

If he's a real, valid, professional critic, then he was kinda unprofessional imo.

But, then again, that's not uncommon for critics. Critics can sometimes go for the jugular if they don't like you, or don't like your work.

Unfortunately, this isn't the first time a critic has been harsh about an actor. 😔

Thankfully, Tom has a HUGE fanbase (just look on IG!), so we don't have to worry about the people who don't like him or his work.

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messymindofmine · 2 years

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For a while now I’ve been trying to get my thoughts on the first four episodes of this season sorted out. I did actually enjoy the arc as a whole. I enjoyed getting to learn more about Carlos’s backstory and I actually enjoyed getting to know Iris better. I think so many of us assumed that Carlos had such a lonely childhood and so it’s nice to know that he had at least one person in his life that he was close to and be himself around.

I think for me the reason why I felt so stressed about it all was actually more down to the fandom reaction to the storyline. I’m not trying to blame anyone here or insult the fandom at all. I actually understand why a lot of people reacted the way they did. But there were things that stressed me out. I didn’t like how so many people just seemed so resistant to the concept of Carlos even having flaws. Carlos has always had flaws, it’s just that for some reason some people always ignored them in favor of lashing out at TK. And I think that right there is why a lot of people who care about TK felt frustrated. Since s1, TK’s worthiness has constantly been questioned and every mistake he has made has been held against him. In s3, ppl kept saying that Carlos should never have taken TK back at all and made him work for it. Mind you, these people completely overlooked the fact that Carlos had bought a house without even discussing it with TK. The thing is, the narrative and Carlos himself seemed to ignore that too. Even Rafa boiled the breakup down to “TK fucking up.” But with this, it feels like the writers didn’t even want to acknowledge that Carlos had even made a mistake. There is never a moment where it’s pointed out to Carlos that he was married for the entirety of his relationship to TK and didn’t tell him. Instead, it’s brushed of bc it wasn’t a real marriage. I think this frustrated a lot of people bc it felt like even when Carlos is unequivocally the one who made a mistake, it’s going ignored. I actually did defend Carlos as much as I possibly could during that arc bc I do understand why he married Iris in the first place and it does fit his character that he didn’t tell TK. I just wish that had been pointed out as wrong the way TK breaking up with Carlos instead of talking to him about the house was. Carlos got to vent his feelings back then yet TK never said a word about how he felt about Carlos keeping that secret and then he constantly blamed himself for Iris going missing and nobody stepped in to tell him it wasn’t his fault.

On the other hand, I didn’t like how people who were understanding of both sides were treated either. I know for a fact that there were people writing entire coda fics that validated TK’s feelings and yet they were being sent messages accusing them of not liking TK. I most certainly did not like how the writers and especially the actors were being left nasty comments to the point where an Instagram post had to be taken down. As much as I loved Ronen, Rafa and Lysney showing each other solidarity, it should never have come to that in the first place. I don’t know what type of comments they were or who they were coming from. I do know that there were people who were just mad that a woman had been brought into the dynamic at all. I know that there were people who just couldn’t stand the idea of Carlos having flaws. I know there were people who, after the first ep, were sending anyone who vented their feelings on their own blog lists of every mistake (both real and imagined) mistake that TK has ever made. I know there were people who went out of their way to blame TK anyway and people who tried to pin the blame on Iris even though she was literally in a state of psychosis for years and was living on the streets. At any rate, whoever it was that left comments on Rafa’s post or sent hate to any of the actors should be ashamed.

Ronen himself touched on this in a post ep 4 interview but it really does seem that ppl forget that TK deals with mental health issues as well and none of this situation was at all easy on him. There’s a reason why Iris likened herself to TK. From the vibe I got, the ppl that were actually hating on Iris for the stuff she said during the dinner didn’t even seem that concerned about TK himself. They just wanted an excuse to hate on Iris. I’ve said before that there is ableism in this fandom that has come into play with how TK is talked about and it definitely feels like it came into play with how Iris was talked about. I know it frustrated a lot of ppl seeing TK’s struggles in this arc being ignored by everyone and even Carlos seemingly blaming him for Iris going missing. Now, I do understand why Carlos reacted the way he did. He was deeply worried, probably blaming himself since this is something he and TK have in common and Iris’s life was in danger. And Carlos has always had a tendency to compartmentalize to the point that it becomes toxic. So I do understand his reaction but I can’t say that I didn’t find it upsetting. I also feel like it led a lot of ppl to be louder about how bad they felt for TK bc they felt that nobody else was going to do it. There were also ppl outright blaming TK and the fact that Ronen made it a point to defend why TK went to Iris shows that the actors do in fact see the stuff fans say. I just hope that after this ppl can recognize that it is possible to understand and sympathize with two characters at the same time and to do so doesn’t mean that you dislike one or the other. I actually do understand (even if I don't necessarily agree with it) the hypersensitivity that some ppl had over TK during this arc bc there’s no denying that there are ppl out there that look for excuses to hate on TK and downplay his feelings. Apparently enough for Ronen to notice. In my experience, ppl who love TK generally love Carlos as well but the same can not always be said the other way around. However, as I already said, this is no reason to go after the ppl who do love both and are just trying to be understanding of both sides. At the end of the day, as far as I can see the majority does love both and that should be what matters. I think there is also the matter of how the anger ppl felt at Carlos was ultimately temporary. Ppl were angry after 401 but they calmed down after 402 when we saw Tarlos being a united team and expressing love for each other. And of course there was the exquisite couch scene. The anger started up again with ep 2 and Carlos’s behavior. The anger at Carlos always felt like a knee-jerk response that I didn’t like but at least it was temporary in the end. For TK on the other hand, ppl have been looking for excuses to hate on him since s1. Going as far as him bringing Lou the lizard home as proof of how he’s not good enough for Carlos.

All of this is something that has really been bothering me especially since there’s people who seem mad that Carlos wasn’t in ep 5 and I truly don’t understand why. I understand wanting more screen time, I always want both guys to have more screen time but I enjoyed the focus on Marjan and I want more for her. Plus we had 4 episodes straight focusing on Carlos where we learned so much about him and a lot of fans even got there wish about seeing him be the one in danger and TK rescue him. That’s actually another thing btw, while I liked ep 4 itself, I didn’t like how ppl were rejoicing at Carlos being hurt bc it would make “TK be the one to worry and show his love in a more obvious way.” Anyway, I don’t understand why some ppl were so mad at Carlos not getting screen time in this ep. I also understand wanting to see acknowledgment of what happened but I feel like it’s ok bc there’s so many brilliant coda fics for that. We didn’t really get any aftermath in the Push arc either but I don’t remember ppl complaining about that. TK was barely in any of the episodes after Push until the end of 307 and he was barely in this ep either. There are about 10 regulars on the show and this is the first time Marjan has had a big storyline so why is it such a bad thing that the focus was temporarily moved a bit? I genuinely don’t understand.

Anyway, as I said before, I’m not trying to blame anyone or start anything. I just truly needed to get this off my chest so that I can sleep at night. As I said, I did enjoy the storyline overall. More than anything else, I’m just happy to move on from the angst and into the happy wedding-planning era. Personally, I don’t want anymore relationship-related drama. I know Rafa said that what happened in 404 would impact how Carlos dealt with things later on and I hope that means we see growth. I hope that means Carlos realizing that he has things he needs to work on the way TK did after Push. That’s all I want next for Tarlos and for Carlos

#911 on fox #911 lone star #911 lone star s4 #tk strand #carlos reyes #tarlos #iris blake #ronen rubinstein #rafael silva

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mostlikelytofangirl · 10 months

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Do you think MY enjoyed the torture he did whilst working for WRH? I think his upbringing within a brothel has desensitized him to violence so even if he didn't quite enjoy it, I can't imagine him being overly disgusted/distraught over it. Looking at his reaction to XY cutting off people's tongues in the extras, he seemed to care less about the actual gore and more about how gross XY's tongue tea is.

But also ...if the people he was torturing were soldiers from the war, it's likely he'd come across plenty of individuals who mocked his parentage and MY never takes kindly to anyone who frowns upon his mother. I think he'd enjoy killing anyone who wanted to think badly of his mother or at least wouldn't feel badly about their death.

You know what, I actually think he might have.

As you pointed out, MY has had a life in which violence has been a constant probably since he can remember, and while he certainly is not a violent person unless in self-defense, he definitely seems to have a high tolerance to having it around in his environment.

There's also the fact that his is a society and a time period where violence is common and to an extent, acceptable. So I don't think that becoming Qishan's chief torturer was as traumatic as it could have been for another person. Not to say that it didn't play a number on him or that he was having a blast with the role, but there's only so far being a good actor can take you when you are faced with the task of freaking gutting a living person or something.

To be fair, I think most of the time, he could have approached the situation in a very pragmatic way. Just something that needed to be done that is best to perform with all emotions cut from the equation. And I do believe that there must have been occasions when he could have even felt about it.

But let's be real here, if MY's reputation was as wide spread as canon suggests, then some of those prisoners must have know who he was, and much like the Nie soldiers at the Fire Palace, probably used that to insult and verbally attack MY. So is it really too much of a stretch to believe that, since those men had to die a slow, painful death anyways, MY wouldn't just take what little satisfaction he could in life and enjoyed at least a little this indirect revenge on ppl who insist on disrespecting his mother and him just for being born?

If there was any place in which MY was encouraged to do his worst and embrace the nasty, vindictive side of himself, it was right there in with the Wen, and when has this boy not seized a good oportunity :D.

#replies #mdzs #jin guangyao #meng yao #wen yao has such a special place in my heart #let this boy have nice things #and some sort of vindication especially when its part of his job

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virtuouswhitehatorganization · 2 months

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Ubel's Clique (Villainous Oc's)

Names: Githinji Tembo(1st); Athaliah Grotesque (2nd); Maisey Hemlock (Third); Smokey Fawkes (Fourth)

Occupation: Students

DOB: August 12th; November 25th ; October 15th; November 5th

Age: Same Age As Meng

Abilities: Ginthiji- Elephant physiology, super strength, super endurance, super durability, and super senses; Athalia- Imp physiology and abilities ; Maisey- Assassination skills; Smokey- Bomb humanoid physiology and abilities

Headcannon Voice Actors: Laura Stahl/Max Duran- Ginthiji (English/Spanish);Rena Taylor/Ananda García -Athalia(English/Spanish); Sarah Wiedenheft/Mariana Ortiz- Maisey (English/Spanish); Hugo Harold-Harrison/ Rolando de la Fuente - Smokey (English/Spanish)

Species: Ginthiji - born from magical uplifted elephants; Athalia - imp; Maisey- human; Smokey- bomb headed humanoid Residence: Black Hat Institute (currently-all); Nairobi, Kenya (Ginthiji Tembo); Hell (Athalia Grotesque); New York, United States (Maisey Hemolock); London, England (Smokey Fawke)

Personality: They are all loyal to Ubel out of wanting to either kiss up to him or due to family ties with his mother. They all are pretty sadistic, nasty, and cruel to those who cross their path or they see as inferior from coming from lesser families.

Ginthiji is a vicious young boy who likes to bull his physical weight around and hurt those smaller than him. He although seems simple but is actually way smarter than he looks and gets the best grades of them all. He does get jealous when it appears someone gets better grades and will make their lives miserable. He will be vicious towards human members except for Maisey who he says is the exception and Ubel because he's only half human.

Athalia due to her family's long history with the Netherpits is loyal to Ubel to a fault and will not hesitate to say positive things about even though she is often abused and mistreated by him. She is very sensitive about her small size and tries to make up for it in other ways. She tends to be very sneaky and devious and is always plotting how to win thing sin Ubel's favor. She also likes listening in for juicy information that could help the group as well. She easily gets angry when Ubel is insulted and tries to get at the person who does which is often Meng's group.

Maisey seems like she is the nicest of the bunch but she also has a psychotic side that comes out when it comes to showing off her assassination skills. She takes great pride in her long lineage of assassins and will proudly proclaim it to people. She really jives with Meng due to the fact that they both come from assassin families. She has a hatred for Jia because of her closeness with Meng and will try to get rid of her to have Meng.

Smokey out of them all is the most humorous but it doesn't mean he isn't devious and malicious. He has a really nasty side that likes to make people think he's going to bomb things but then fakes them out. When he does it for real he does his real routine and blows people away who are too late to runaway. He likes causing destruction to his enemies and bringing nasty laughs while he is doing it. Background: They are Ubel's clique who follow him and his orders. They will do anything they say due to wanting his influence and because some of their families have connection to his. Ginthiji's family is a bunch of magically uplifted elephants who strike back against humanity in the name of protecting elephant kind. Athalia is from a family of imps that have served Ubel's family for generations and her parents are Ubel's mother's head minions. Maisey comes from the Hemlocks who area an assassin family based in New York and an excellent track record which is why they were often hired by the the Netherpit family a lot. Smokey Fawke comes from London, England where his family are criminals who use their bomb physiology to do criminal activity. They frequently buttheads with Meng's circle, while Maisey sports a crush on Meng and sees Lia as a rival for his affection.

* Ginthiji speaks Swahili and English.

* Ginthiji is a vegetarian due to being an elephant and loves peanut related stuff.

* Athalia and Maisey have known each other as long as Ubel.

* Smokey's family still lives in London and he visits on breaks. He has a Cockney accent and many other British mannerisms.

* Maisey has a love for New York style pizza.

* Ginthiji is often made to do Ubel's homework for him. He also is often tasked with carrying his stuff.

* Athalia usually is eager to get compliments from Ubel but due to how bratty he is that never comes.

* Athalia and Maisey are doormates.

* Ginthiji, Smokey, and Ubel are doormates as well.

Refresher on who is Ubel

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#villainous #villanos #villainos #villainous oc #oc #villanos oc #picrew #black hat institute #black hat organization

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bcofl0ve · 4 months

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Jodie fans were indeed being shady so let's start with that? And that one troll Austin fan has like 10 accounts so it's really just one or two people and those haters know that too. They don't care they'll still hate on him regardless of your justification so why do you bother and make yourself look like a loser?

if you can point me to where jodie fans are spending literally 24 hours a day lurking her indirects and replying to every single tweet naming her that isnt a glowing fan tweet with cruel, personally mean and sometimes sexually crude insults, then i'll walk with you but that's not happening. the reply guys on our side are cruel and nasty in a way her fans simply are not. that's just the unfortunate truth of this.

stan twitter is always going to come with some casual petty lil' actor v actor shade tweets, tale as old as time who fucking cares. if it's not deeply personal insults about your fav and you can't just keep it scrolling without jumping to popping off *every single time* then you need to work on self-control and curating the internet you want to be on with the mute and block button. if not wanting to hand wave away our own bad actors all WELL THE OTHER SIDE BAD SO ITS OKAY! makes me a loser so be it. i don't want those pieces of shit in our fandom representing us. i feel no inclination to defend them in any way shape or form. they can fuck off and go to hell for how they've made people view us.

#mod talk

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nancydrewwouldnever · 2 years

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honestly, I agree with some points the anon with the very long ask. I do agree with the privacy point and how the people close to him act. If he really cared and wanted privacy so much he could refrain from a lot of things he has said and done, and I do find the behavior of his friends around him strange, if they care about his privacy they would respect that. Take for example the Alba mess. I don't care if they dated,hooked up or nothing happened at all. But when everything started to get out of hand, a lot of people calling him nasty names like predator etc his friends/family kind of added to the fire. Instead of pulling away and not interact with her, they kept following and then unfollowing her, liking pics, leaving comments. Tara following an account on ig that hated Chris and kept post offensive and insulting stuff. Even if the rumors are obviously fake.They obviously know what was being said and instead of stopping to protect him and let the rumor die they kept going.

Also, I would like to add that I think he likes the Hollywood/celeb life more than he likes to admit it. There are actors on his level of fame that they truly are private(as much as possible a celeb can be). It doesn't come to my mind someone right now but I hope you get my point.

About the fandom only blaming the woman,and not Chris. I do agree that a part of fans only do that and baby him but it's the part where they perceive him as the image he had build,the prince charming real CA.

I have seen, quick a lot of people criticize him, and talk about his flaws, like his commitment issues. But the reason they mostly focus on the gf is because they were activly trying to air out info about their relationship and bring attention. The anon said that it takes two to ruin a relationship I disagree, we obviously don't know what happened, but why is difficult to assume that the woman might have been the issue. When a celeb woman gets cheated on like Beyonce none says that it must have been her fault also. everyone goes to her defense.

Is it so hard to believe that woman are capable of deceive as much as man are, or there are bad women out there equally as there are bad men. And there are good men out there equally as there're good women? A good person doesn't mean a perfect person.

No normal fan(not the crazy obsessive ones) believes his perfect. And I see a lot of people piont out his flaws. Especially on this blog and the Maddy one. They are one of the few that are level headed and use common sense. I thought that most of the rumors,blind items that are being talked here was established that are what we assume they discuss

Sorry for the long post.

Lots of food for thought, Anon. Thanks!

#ask

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I like to think of myself as a passive kind of fan. If you saw me in the real world, you would not be like huh I bet she watches, anime or reads fanfiction.

Will I internally light up if someone talks about one of my favorite things yes. Are my colleagues aware that there are a couple superhero actors that I have major crushes on? Yes, but they think it’s just because I think they’re hot and not anything to do with the character that they play.

I rarely interact with anything other than like 👍🏻 or ❤️. I also understand that just because I like a character doesn’t mean that other people do. There are many of them that are just problematic. Cue uncle angry grape. But Jesus, some people just spew vitriol for characters. Every character has flaws. If nobody had flaws and it would be boring.

In case you’re not a fan of Horimiya, they have put out a second season, which, I mentally put in quotation marks, that’s essentially all the filler they left out. I loved that anime. While I like the main couple, I could really see myself in two people: Yuki and Sakura. So getting to see, either of them made me pretty happy and since I don’t watch any of that stuff with actual people in real life, I like watching reaction videos to see if other people have the same sort of ideas I do- it’s like watching things together but not.

I was watching a video, and I was excited to see the reactors opinion on the interaction between those two characters where one of them is helping the other with their cheer routine. Before she comes on the screen, fully, one of the reactors just called her a bitch and calls her a manipulator. (He also insulted her sweater paws. I love my sweater paws. It happens when you’re short and no, they are not dirty.)

I’m guessing that this comes from the fake dating between Tooru and Yuki? Either of them could’ve stopped the fake dating whenever they wanted to. It’s acknowledged that they do have feelings for each other but aren’t ready to actually date date. Did Sakura confess yes, but if the other person doesn’t reciprocate, then they don’t reciprocate. Tooru isn’t the kind of person to hurt the person they want to date because they’re fake dating someone else. Nobody earns a boyfriend either you have feelings for each other or you don’t. It was obvious that this person who made the comments had never been a teenage girl, which I guess could give you the overall make up of the person. (maybe they were trans, but if they’re trans men, then they weren’t a teenage girl because they were a teenage boy.)

We all have characters that other people really like that we find irritating or annoying. For example, lots of people love Goku from Dragon Ball, I do not. I find him a terrible father. But that’s me I’m not gonna go on a video and be nasty and rude talking about him. I might calmly state he is not my cup of tea, and I am glad that he is not my parent but I’m certainly not gonna call him a bastard. Or a deadbeat father. He did what he did for a reason, even if I don’t agree with it.

I’m sure that a lot of people are like me and they just don’t consume the things they don’t like. I tried watching Dr. Stone but they kept saying 10,000,000,000% and it pissed me off so I didn’t watch it but you can check any of my posts on here and see that I’ve never mentioned it before. (I really wanted to like it because I do like English dubs and I really love Tamajiki from my hero.) i’m not going to read anything that’s in the first person or anything that has huge chunks of italics. There’s nothing wrong with either of them. I just don’t like it. I don’t like peanut butter but I understand that most people do. I just don’t eat it so people don’t have to hear me complain about it.

Maybe it just goes back to my mom and said that if you can’t say something nice keep your damn mouth shut. Or it could be that this person looked like they were in their early 20s and I am an actual fax adult or I guess as adult as a millennial can be(maybe that makes me too old for Horimiya.)

If you made it down this far, I am giving you an AO3 kudos!

If the answer is yes, please tell me why. Nicely.

#horimiya #tooru ishikawa #yuki yoshikawa #sakura kouno #fandom rant?#fandom rambles #fandom polls #poll

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artist-issues · 3 years

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I think we all know that the Live Action Aladdin is bad, but I feel like it is important to talk about why it’s bad. I mean, we could get caught up in terrible pacing and cringey jokes and poor acting and underwhelming song renditions and the overall weirdness of trying to fit certain actors into certain roles using certain special effects that just don’t suit them.

But I feel like all those things could be overlooked or at least forgiven. If they hadn’t messed with Aladdin and Jasmine.

In the original Aladdin, I think it is fair to say that while Genie is the salt that makes it flavorful, Aladdin and Jasmine, and their relationship to one another, are the main course of the story.

But in the Live Action, they do the same thing they did to Beauty and the Beast. Only worse. They change a couple of seemingly small interactions, in favor of pushing the “strong independent woman” angle. And that winds up totally destroying who these characters were.

Aladdin was never a perfect guy. But the original movie goes through great pains to show you that he’s at least a good guy. He gives bread which he risked his life to steal for himself to poorer, younger kids. He easily, confidently, promises to free Genie as soon as he learns Genie isn’t free. Without a second thought. And of course, the first time he ever meets Jasmine, he’s risking his life to save her from a shop owner. He’s a good guy, even though the world has never given him anything but cause to turn rotten.

But the Live Action Aladdin, even though it contains all the elements previously listed, destroys their weight by outweighing them with another, new element: Jasmine’s motivation to be Queen. By having her confess that wish to Aladdin, and, apparently, dream more of that than dreaming of her own freedom, she makes all of his decisions afterward look selfish and nasty.

In the original, Jasmine never expresses a desire to be Queen. Now clearly she still cares about her people; the original film makes a point of showing her giving an apple to hungry children before she even thinks twice. But there’s a reason the original film doesn’t have scenes where Jasmine is looking down on the sad state of their nation or complaining to her father about the way he rules. It’s because in the original, Jasmine is shown to the audience to be two things: one, a kind of prisoner who doesn’t really get to SEE her “subjects” or interact with them. And two, an ordinary girl, despite her status. The first thing we hear her say is a derogatory insult to how arrogant Prince Achmed, her suitor, is. The first thing we see her do is criticize the worst side of being a royal: snobbish cruelty. Thinking you’re better than everyone. Jasmine doesn’t want to be a Queen. That’s not her dream. Her dream is to be free to make her own choices. And we know that when she is queen, she’ll make choices that are motivated by compassion and justice because 1) she treats people like Aladdin and street urchins kindly without even having to think about it, 2) the first time she even references being Queen, its to ensure Jafar that she’ll use the station to get rid of him.

Jasmine doesn’t think of her people as peasants, or as sheep who need a strong leader. She doesn’t think of herself as a potential for that role. She thinks of herself as a normal person, who should get to be free as much as her pet birds or a common street boy like the one she meets in the marketplace. She already feels like she’s no different from them, and if anything sees her role as a Princess as confining and unbeneficial.

But in the Live Action? Jasmine’s whole THING is that she should be free to lead. She should be free to speak up and make not only her own decisions, but decisions for the whole kingdom, because she’d be good at it.

Yeah, okay, that’s nice. But now it’s not Jasmine. It’s some other pretty, headstrong young woman in blue. Who you slapped the name “Jasmine” on.

And that changes Aladdin, too. Because in the original, Aladdin—

—you know what, let me roll it back. Aladdin MEETS Jasmine in the marketplace and the first thing he notices is how beautiful she is. That gets his attention. But he doesn’t go over and start talking to her. Why? We know he’s confident. We know he’s a charmer. Why doesn’t he get up and go over there? Why is he just hanging out on that tarp, staring at her like he’s in a trance? Well, because, his main character flaw is insecurity. He worries nobody will every see him as anything but worthless because he’s not a person of status. That includes very pretty marketplace shoppers.

He only goes up and talks to Jasmine at all to intervene when she’s in trouble. He sees her do something kind for the kids, and then he sees where that conflict is going, and he jumps down and gets involved. Not by using his sleight of hand—which I guess is his only good trick in the Live Action—but just by improvising and talking his way out of it. And by the way, he’s further attracted to how Jasmine is able to just go with his ruse. It’s like in Lady & the Tramp, when Tramp is trying to pretend he’s selling Lady’s muzzle to the Beaver, and she suddenly pipes up and adds to the ruse. And then Tramp looks over at her, all surprised and delighted, and that’s when Tramp starts seeing Lady as different than his other girlfriends.

But I’m not talking about that, I’m talking about Aladdin and Jasmine. Ahem. Same type of thing.

But in the Live Action Aladdin, that whole marketplace scene is super rushed and the emphasis is placed on Aladdin’s slight of hand. He asks Jasmine to trust him, which is a CRUCIAl thing in the original movie. But in the original movie, he’s asking her to trust him by jumping off a building. He knows there’s something safe to land on down there. She has to trust that he won’t let her down or lead them into catastrophe. And she says “‘YES” and jumps. But in the Live Action? Oh no, we can’t have the woman following the man. Not in any way. So instead they have Aladdin, who’s spoken one sentence to her at this point, not ASK, but TELL Jasmine to “‘trust me” and then he just takes the bracelet from her before she can answer, to give to the angry shopkeeper.

You know what that DOES?

That makes Aladdin go from a young man who has already connected with Jasmin through their mutual frustrations and desire to feel free, to a presumptuous JERK who talks over the young lady and tells her she should trust him based on nothing—and trust him to do what? Lie. Steal and lie. The original time he asks her to trust him, it’s to lead her away from danger. The remake version of him telling her to trust him, it’s to lie and fake their way out of a situation. And it doesn’t even work. They end up having to run anyway, so that Aladdin can sing his “One Jump” song in that janky, out-of-pace, totally unnecessary way. Like what was the point of that?? So that Jasmine could react to him falling out of windows like a complete spaz?

Jasmine and Aladdin’s original relationship is wholly based on trust. She trusts that he is who he says he is, innocently and simply because she likes how kind he was to her. And he can’t bring himself to trust her with the truth of who he is. And that’s the whole story. He keeps asking her to trust him, and she keeps doing it, but he has to LEARN to trust her.

See, Aladdin argues with Prince Achmed when Prince Achmed calls him “‘worthless.” He says, “I’m not worthless! And I don’t have fleas!” But what is he saying that to? A closed door, because Prince Achmed’s already gone. Who is he arguing with? Himself. Aladdin sings his whole song about how there’s “more to me” than being a street rat or being riffraff, and people might see it if they’d just look closer. He believes that deep down, if he is given the chance, he can prove to everyone and himself that he isn’t worthless.

But then he’s given the chance. The Genie wishes work. He’s a Prince, and he’s vanquished Jafar (at the time.) The Sultan approves of their engagement! All that’s left to do is free Genie with his final wish, and it’s happily ever after time! But THEN?! Then what happens? Jasmine is hugging Aladdin, all is right with the world, and the Sultan says— “‘And then my boy, you will be Sultan!”

“Sultan?” Says Aladdin. And his smile is there, for just a second, because this is what he’s wanted. To live in a palace, free from worrying about scraping for food, free to love the Princess. But it comes with something he never thought about. Being Sultan. And he just saw what it actually means to be Sultan. It means that sometimes your most trusted advisor mind-controls you like a puppet. That’s not freedom. That’s a load of responsibility that he has never had to think about.

That’s too much for a street-rat.

And all at once, you see all the insecurity come back in. Aladdin realizes that this thing is too big for him. He can’t be Sultan. He’s just Aladdin. The lie isn’t strong enough to make up for that, in his mind.

And that’s the WHOLE POINT of his argument with Genie about the Third Wish, afterward. He is desperate. He’s lied himself into a corner and all there is left are the expectations the whole kingdom will have of him, and he doesn’t think he can do it, and he doesn’t want to lose Jasmine or what he’s gained but he also doesn’t think he can keep it on his own. “The only reason anyone thinks I’m worth anything is because of you!” It’s not RIGHT, it’s not the right thing to do, but it’s RELATABLE. It makes sense. It’s something the audience can sympathize with, even if we don’t approve. And it’s the beginning of Al seeing that he was wrong to lie in the first place. The first sentence is “the only reason anyone thinks I’m worth anything is because of you” and the follow-up to that train of thought is “Genie’s right. I gotta tell Jasmine the truth!”

Also Genie doesn’t go on a whole selfless tirade about how he could care less about being free, he just wishes his friend weren’t being corrupt by power—like he does in the Live Action. No, instead, the original Genie ACTUALLY CARES about being free, and he makes on bitter comment about how Aladdin is a liar, and sulks in his lamp. That might not be the most heroic thing to do, but it makes actual SENSE. It adds WEIGHT to Genie’s predicament. It shows that he really WANTED to be free, and what’s more, he’s ALREADY preached to Aladdin to tell the truth, he doesn’t need to do it again and totally pretend like he doesn’t want freedom more than “all the wonders and all the riches in all the world.” He doesn’t have to totally undercut his whole character arc.

The point is, in Live Action Aladdin, Al doesn’t see the light. He doesn’t realize, in that moment, that he’s being selfish and he should stop lying. Instead, he’s an arrogant jerk who believes his own lie. And why?

Because there is no moment in the Live Action where Aladdin feels the weight of the lie. Because he never has to realize that he might have to be Sultan. Because JASMINE TAKES THAT AWAY. SHE wants to be Sultan. And hey, the lying supportive narcissist posing as Aladdin is all for it. Because neither Jasmine nor Genie care so much about being FREE in the Live Action, Aladdin, by contrast, looks like a phenomenal piece of garbage for the rest of the film.

He doesn’t have to learn to trust Jasmine. Until he’s brutally defeated by Jafar, and it’s forced upon him, he was willing to just keep lying. Leave Genie in chains. Because hey, “I basically am a Prince now.” He’s a slimeball in the Live Action, but not the kind of slime all we can root for. Not the kind of jerk we can watch LEARN anything.

Because at the end of the original animation, when Aladdin says, “I’m sorry I lied to you. I do love you, but I can’t pretend to be something I’m not.” We believe it. Because we WATCHED him learn that, right before Jafar popped in and ruined everything. He was going to confess. He learned his lesson. So when he sets Genie free, it’s genuine. It’s not forced. And when Genie offers to make him a Prince anyway, right before that, it’s a testament to how much GENIE has learned.

I didn’t mean to talk about Genie, but now I’m going to.

You guys know Genie has a character arc in the original film, right? He seems like a fantastic comedic relief character, borderline sidekick. But I’ll say it as short and sweet as I can.

Genie goes from only caring about his own freedom to caring about Aladdin, as a friend.

When Aladdin first looks like he’s going to go back on his promise to set Genie free, Genie is sulky. He gives up hope. He calls Al “Master” despite having saved him and tried to talk sense into him and treated him like a friend for the past few scenes of the movie, and then he disappears. When Genie sees Aladdin again, it’s under the control of Jafar. But Aladdin doesn’t give up. He comes back, despite everything there is stacked against him, when it would’ve been easier to abandon Genie and save himself. And Genie is so happy to see him. And Al even embraces the fact that he can only work with what he’s got to save Jasmine and stop Jafar, and is acting selflessly even without magical help. And Genie cheers him on. And at the end, Genie is more willing to make Aladdin a Prince than he is to be free, because he’s come to care more about Aladdin, who made a selfless decision to come back and right his wrongs, than he does about his own freedom.

And THAT carried weight, because we got to SEE where Genie started versus where he ended, right around the same time we got to see where Aladdin started versus where he ended.

But none of that MATTERS as much in the Live Action Aladdin, because they messed with Aladdin and Jasmine and Genie, as CHARACTERS. They swapped around their motivations. Genie went from a kind, funny guy with a desperate need to be set free to a preachy voice of wisdom, who sometimes engages in wise cracks. Jasmine went from a beautifully ordinary, relatable, human character with a very simple wish to be free to a strong, independent would-be leader who throws off the character arc of everyone around her, all while actually TEACHING THEM nothing. Aladdin went from the MAIN CHARACTER who has to grow and learn to trust to a complete jerk who messes everything up with his selfishness and only learns a lesson when he’s forced to.

And Aladdin was my favorite Disney hero. So yeah, I’m pretty passionate about that. If we’re going to say the Live Action Aladdin was bad, let’s do it in a way that also points out how GOOD the original was.

#aladdin #live action aladdin #disney #meta #jasmine #will smith #robin williams #genie #Lady and the Tramp

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Honest question without wanting to be rude only trying to understand:

I didn’t really like this season a part from the first few episodes, for all the reasons ppl already mentioned, not only about Marina, but the overall narrative the writers went with, for me all the “Jack is the donor” nonsense really put a lot of doubts on having any future interest on S19 or Marina if they kept on with this storyline, plus the behavior and comments of the writers and Danielle video were really the nail on the coffin for me, and don’t let me start with Grey acting…I honestly think a part of why I don’t like this donor story it’s because he makes everything cringe worthy, anyway…

I don’t understand how a lot ppl especially LGBTQ+ like me, find the strength or the will to keep on going…I mean in a curious way not to insult anyone….Even Marina for me doesn’t do it any more, and Carina was my fav and now completely ooc…😭

I understand that it’s only a show a Shondaland one nonetheless, so there’s no much thought going into the writers room other than drama and shock value and entertainment and that’s ok, I watched it for what it is, till now.

I personally find it offensive a storyline like this, especially if done on purpose, only to create discord and interaction, Its a passive way to discredit a community and approach such a complicate social issue with zero regard, research or sensitivity, only for drama effect and click on a tweet.

I wish I could find a way to detach from the story and the nasty takes and quotes the writers decided to green light and being told by these characters, I wish I could support some of the actors I really like, but alas I can’t….

Anyway I hope this wasn’t offensive toward ppl that are still invested on this show, maybe I have a low tolerance level lol.

Stay safe!

It's not offensive at all! I've discussed it with a few people a little bit as the storyline has gone on but basically it just comes down to personal preference and what you're watching said tv show for. And how attached you are to said show I would guess has something to do with it as well.

Some people are watching tv shows to just unwind and not really think about the representation aspect of it and focus on the entertainment and that's it. If they're still getting enjoyment out of it, they're going to watch it regardless of how something may be portrayed. Others may be looking for that representation and if it's getting to a point where it's so offensive and disrespectful that you can't even stand to watch it on screen anymore then of course you shouldn't and it's probably easier for you to detach and move on.

For me personally once I get attached to a certain ship/show that becomes a favorite, it's hard for me to just let go completely. It takes a lot for me to lose interest or stop watching and while I've been incredibly frustrated with this storyline and how disrespectful it's been, I still love what Marina was and I guess part of me is still hoping they could still be that. There was part of me that was still hoping the baby storyline would end with a bad twist because there really hasn't been any drama or twist to this storyline. Everything has been so predictable with no drama but I honestly don't know what to expect from these writers anymore.

Basically what I think it comes down to is that everyone is different and has different reasons for watching shows and getting invested and have different tolerance levels like you said!

You stay safe too!

#asks #anon

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Little Mix on what it takes to survive being the most bullied band in pop

Still teenagers when they were catapulted to fame, superstardom came at a price for Little Mix. They open up to Francesca Babb about the soaring highs and crashing lows of the past nine years. It is the end of our YOU cover shoot, and I am facing the lesser-spotted sight of a barefaced Little Mix. Wet wipes swipe back and forth across their faces and, as the foundation departs in a deluge of coffee-coloured tissues, Jesy Nelson and Leigh-Anne Pinnock, both 29, and Jade Thirlwall and Perrie Edwards, both 27, visibly relax into their tracksuits and boyfriend jeans, shoulders dropping as they settle into themselves. I’m so used to seeing them contoured and camera ready that I assumed full glamour was their happy place. But perhaps the real Little Mix are not the war-paint-and-leotard-clad pop stars we’ve spent almost ten years watching grow up, but rather the four women they have become behind the glare of the spotlight. It’s those four women that I’m intrigued to meet. Since winning The X Factor nine years ago, there have been highs – selling over 50 million records globally, a significant percentage of which were self-penned, and creating enough accompanying make-up lines and merchandise to keep them and their families comfortable for the foreseeable future (recent reports suggest they have earned a combined £28.5 million to date). But there have also been lows – perpetual picking apart by both the public and the press, bullying and vitriol from online trolls. The most extreme cases of which led Jesy to attempt suicide during Little Mix’s early days in 2013 (she regards a tweet from the controversial Katie Hopkins – ‘Packet Mix have still got a chubber in their ranks. Less Little Mix. More Pick n Mix’ – as the ‘pinnacle point’ for her depression) and pushed Perrie into an ongoing struggle with anxiety. Fame has changed them. In some ways they are still youthful and silly – dropping phrases into conversation that wouldn’t be out of place in a playground – yet, in others, they are wise beyond their years, diving headfirst into battles on feminism, race and mental health. They’re fun enough to be light relief, smart enough to inspire a generation struggling with the pressures of youth and social media even before a pandemic was thrown at them, and ballsy enough to leave Simon Cowell’s record label because they didn’t feel he had their best interests at heart. ‘It’s never really been a cruise, has it?’ Jade ponders, a copy of social activist Bell Hooks’ 2002 feminist theory Communion: The Female Search For Love in her hand (not for show, I might add; when I ask her about it, she is well versed in its content). ‘It’s either been a really big high, or a really big low.’ Jesy, who has found herself the target of some of the cruelest contempt from the world outside Little Mix, agrees: ‘Some of the best times, some of the worst times.’ Comments on her weight, her looks, her place in the band, comments that she should take her own life, all led her into a deep depression and the aforementioned suicide attempt. Her documentary last year, Jesy Nelson: Odd One Out, revealed her journey through it all and, while harrowing, it is essential viewing on the realities of growing up in a world dominated by social media. ‘Before we got in the group, I never looked at myself and thought, “I don’t like that” – I don’t think any of us did. I never thought, “Oh god, I’m fat”, and then we got in the industry, and we all started wanting to change things about ourselves. It’s so sad. There are things [in the past] I definitely wish I hadn’t done,’ she says, referring to the suicide attempt, in which she took an overdose after a two-year battle with depression and an eating disorder. ‘But would I be the person I am today if I hadn’t gone through all of that?’ ‘There was a time when it was worse than it is now,’ adds Leigh-Anne, who has increasingly used her own Instagram channel to vocalise her experience of racism, both overt and underlying, throughout her time in the band. ‘I guess we’re taking steps forward, but I fear for my [future] daughters…’ ‘It makes me not want to have a kid,’ agrees Jesy. ‘Those insecurities that we all have now because of social media, imagine having that embedded in you as a child?’ Before you write them off as four very lucky girls ungratefully complaining about a lifestyle so many dream of, I should point out that they are fully aware of the paradox of their privilege. I suppose the point is, it’s not too much to ask to not be bullied to the point of hospitalisation as a by-product, is it? ‘Little Mix has changed our lives for the better, and our families’ lives, and we have achieved so much,’ says Perrie. ‘Don’t get me wrong,’ agrees Jesy (a warning I will hear repeatedly throughout our hour together, perhaps thanks to almost a decade of their quotes being blasted out of context for click-bait). ‘I’m not going to sit here and say we’ve got a terrible life, because we haven’t, but I do think our innocence was taken from us.’ It’s a while since the girls last did any press. Lockdown saw a halt to any activity they had planned, including the launch of their new talent show, BBC1’s Little Mix: The Search (in which they, well, search for a new band to mentor and join them on tour). But the time apart has not diminished their ability to finish each other’s sentences and jump to each other’s aid. It has, it seems, been really rather good for them and allowed them to come back fired up for the release of their sixth album, Confetti, which came out this week. ‘It was needed,’ agrees Jesy. ‘We’re never not with each other and we’re always busy. Our mornings start early, we finish really late.’ Being at home has meant more time spent with their families, with Jade even starting her own show on MTV with her mum Norma. Called Served!, the self-filmed series saw the pair interview celebrity drag queens and challenge each other to cooking competitions. ‘I love drag culture,’ she says, ‘and me mam was by herself in lockdown, so I thought it’d be something nice to keep her entertained.’ ‘Your mum could be on Loose Women,’ Leigh-Anne muses. ‘Imagine our mams on a show!’ shrieks Jade. ‘Nobody else would get a word in edgeways with my mam,’ laughs Perrie. ‘Ooh, when Debbie goes off on Twitter,’ says Jade, of Perrie’s mum’s habit of weighing in on comments from haters. ‘My mam will text me, have you seen Debbie’s been going off on someone!’ It is interesting that all four talk frequently about their mums throughout our chat, and yet there is no mention of fathers. While their mums often appear on Instagram, a sighting of Perrie’s dad on her 23rd birthday was extremely rare. Perhaps the Little Mix dads’ absence in the narrative is because the four girls were predominantly raised by their mothers (all of their parents separated when they were younger), and another reason the group’s bond is so tight. Little Mix are each other’s wall of arms, their own personal bodyguards. Jesy, they unanimously agree, is Scary Mix (although I find her a delight), which is interesting given her own inability to bat off other people’s words. ‘When it’s you on your own dealing with something personally,’ Jesy says, ‘It’s completely different. You feel so vulnerable alone, but we are a force when we’re together.’ It’s not hard to see, in today’s social-media obsessed society where there is little retribution for cruelty, why four attractive, successful young women, with attractive, successful young boyfriends (two footballers – Perrie dates Liverpool’s Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Leigh-Anne is engaged to Watford’s Andre Gray – while Jade is with Rizzle Kicks singer Jordan Stephens and Jesy is going out with Our Girl actor Sean Sagar), who seem to be living a dream life have found themselves at the heart of a whirlwind of vitriol. There was the infamous spat with Piers Morgan, in which he mocked them for posing naked but for the insults that have been hurled at them painted on their bodies. He accused them of using sex to sell records and called them ‘foul-mouthed, talentless, clothes-allergic little dimwits’, which is not how I find them to be. ‘I take Piers with a pinch of salt,’ Jesy says, rolling her eyes. ‘He does it to cause drama, so I take no notice. When we won The X Factor, we didn’t look like a generic girl band: we’re all different shapes and sizes, we didn’t dress sexy, so immediately everyone was, “What’s this?”’ ‘Usually, when you see a girl band, they’re perfection, they have six-packs – and we didn’t,’ continues Jesy. ‘People saw us as kids, so even though we’re now women, people still think of us that way, so when we come out on stage in leotards, they think, “That’s disgusting!”’ ‘One Direction didn’t get the s**t we get, because they’re men,’ states Leigh-Anne. ‘It’s like, “They’re four girls, let’s come at them”. As soon as it’s girls, they think, “Oh you slag.”’ ‘When it’s men, it’s celebrated, but the minute women sexualise themselves and feel powerful doing it, we’re told to rein it in,’ adds Jade. ‘We’re conditioned to think that women are there to be these innocent and pure beings and the minute you step out of that, it’s carnage.’ Little Mix, however, are not scared of embracing that carnage and of sparking a debate. For their show The Search, Jade describes how it was important for them to set the tone on respect when each new person auditioned. ‘Because we are small women, it’s important to show people that they need to respect us, that we know what we’re talking about and we need to be listened to,’ she says. ‘There’s no nastiness,’ continues Jesy about the show, which has been praised for modernising and freshening up the age-old TV format. ‘There’s no making anyone feel uncomfortable for entertainment.’ They also insisted a large part of their budget be dedicated to looking after the contestants’ mental health, understanding, first hand, the pitfalls of talent shows. The Search is not their first attempt at diversifying their talent. As a group, they have LMX make-up line and also a perfume, Style By Little Mix. Subsequently, they have become expert businesswomen, refusing to make the mistakes of pop groups past, so often left completely penniless at the end of their careers. ‘I remember walking into an early label meeting and saying, “This is who we want to be, this is the campaign we want, this is the imagery we want,”’ says Jade. ‘We knew our brand from the get go and we very much steered that ship.’ It’s a long way from their (as Jesy puts it) ‘working-class backgrounds’. Since joining the band, each one has bought their mum a house and, while their tale is not entirely rags to riches, the jump from Primark to Prada in recent years has certainly been significant. When it comes to business, Perrie describes herself and Leigh-Anne as the ones who will often seek a compromise in difficult situations, while they send Jesy and Jade in when deals need to be made. ‘Jesy’s the badass,’ Perrie laughs. ‘Whenever I’m scared, I’ll stand behind her. She’s the one who puts her foot down in a boardroom full of men and says, “It’s going to be this way.” But we pick our battles. We don’t just argue about every decision – it’s when we feel we have to.’ ‘Nobody could say that we are difficult, and if they do, they’re lying,’ says Leigh-Anne adamantly. Adds Jesy: ‘We know what we want, and we know what kids want.’ Little Mix have lived over a third of their lives in the spotlight. They’ve seen how things work, how things don’t, and they’ve learnt how to cope with it all. The lows may have been spectacularly low, but the highs have surpassed any of their expectations. Their story is not your classic fairytale, but it’s one they have learnt they can write their own ending for. If the Little Mix I meet today is anything to go by, I wouldn’t expect that ending to come any time soon. Little Mix’s new album Confetti is out now. Their movie LM5: The Tour Film will be in cinemas nationwide on 21 and 22 November.

#little mix #you magazine 2020 #article #2020 #confetti promo

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Bits & Pieces, Themes & Evidence

Morning Everyone! So, below are just a bunch of bits and pieces that me, my fellow theorists and/or others in the fandom have come up. They don’t really fit into one, cohesive theory, but they’re most about or have come out of 10x18. I keep joking that this is the episode that just keeps on giving. We’re STILL talking about it and figuring things out about it.

Leah as a Hallucination/Daryl’s PTSD:

It’s been suggested that in 10x18, Dog never actually left Daryl. The episode is cut in a way to suggest that Daryl went long periods without seeing Dog (which is symbolic, of course) but maybe that’s not true and Dog was always there. Not only is that super interesting, but it works with one of my first observations. When I first watched the episode, I thought that the second time he sees Dog, first time as a grown dog and not a pup, and meets Leah, he didn't seem surprised to see Dog. So, I thought maybe he'd seen Dog a lot by then. I changed my mind for the sake of the symbolism. If it represents Grady, it makes more sense that Daryl simply recognized him as the pup me once met, but really had been separated from his for awhile. But I’m just saying this hallucination theory and the idea of Dog being there all along, just backs up my first impressions. That's all.

Also, weapon13whitefang left a long comment on my Tumblr post about Leah being a hallucination. It's really not so much about the show as about PTSD because they have some experience with it. I found it really interesting and enlightening, so it might interest some of you. You can read it HERE under the comments.

Why He Got Defensive at the Idea of Leah Leaving Him

A couple of my friends were talking about this, and this is just my contribution to the conversation. I think it's directly because Leah is predicated on his time with Beth. Even if he's not consciously aware of the delusion, some part of his UNconscious brain knows that Leah = Beth. And he knows Beth wouldn't have willingly left him. Not only because she said that, but because when she DID disappear, it wasn't her fault or her choice either time. So, when Carol says, "maybe she just left," Daryl's brain rails against that and he gets really defensive. And the interesting thing is that it's really not about him taking it personally or about his ego. It's about what he knows to be true of Beth. It's actually his brain being really logical in the midst of the delusion.

The Talk Dead to Me Podcast with Lynn Collins

I listened to the Talk Dead to me Podcast and this week’s guest was—no surprise—Lynn Collins. No huge TD smoking guns or anything, but it was interesting nonetheless. First of all, one of the really big C@ryl accounts was pretty much called out for being a toxic troll.

For anyone who doesn’t know, Lynn Collins gave a different interview a few days back (not this podcast; just a different one) in which she mentioned that Daryl and Carol’s relationship is very mother/son. Just after that, I won’t say the name but one of the most well known C@ryl accounts who can be REALLY nasty to…well…I was gonna say other shippers but pretty much anyone in the fandom who dares disagree with her, called Lynn an ageist for saying that Carol was mothering Daryl.

So, when the podcast began, Johnny O’Dell, who is the host, said that most TWD fans are super cool but a lot of the shippers can be toxic. He doesn't mention any particular ships in accordance to that (I actually think he briefly mentions all of them, saying people ship Daryl with Carol, Beth, Connie, and Rosita the most) but then after saying SOME of the shippers can be toxic, he talked about the post she made calling Lynn Collins ageist and said that was ridiculous and toxic and that we need to be cool to the actors. So, it's very obvious it was her comment he was talking about.

And of course, the ageist thing she accused Lynn Collins of is ridiculous. Not only is it true that Carol and Daryl’s relationship can be very mother/son at times, but saying so is not an insult to Carol. It’s a comment on the nature of the relationship, not on anyone’s actual age. Of course Carol isn’t old enough to be Daryl’s mom. But that doesn’t mean she doesn’t mother him.

Then when Lynn Collins came onto the podcast, she addressed the ageist comment. She basically said everything I said above in more detail. She talked about how she was taken aback by being called that because, being a woman over 40 in Hollywood, she actually deals with a lot of ageism. And about how she's a mother, but became one a little later in life (in her thirties, rather than her twenties) and she was shocked that being called a mother can actually be derogatory to some people. It REALLY shouldn’t be. It’s really sad that people would take that as an insult. And then she went on to say that any character can be maternal, even if they're not the biological mother of the person they're mothering. She even said Daryl is somewhat paternal to Carol, teaching her how to gut a fish and everything.

Now, maybe this is neither here nor there when it comes to TD stuff. But one thing I thought was really interesting was that Lynn Collins said when she first started watching the show in S2 or S3, she was actually a Caryler. She wanted them together originally. She also said that eventually she realized that's not where they were going with it and kind of moved on.

But the thing is, it just proves to me even more that she's being told to talk about it in a particular way. If everything she's said is true: that she was a raging fan and has been in the tags and talking about it a ton (and she says that on the podcast again; that she would get really excited about it and watch with friends and they would tell her to chill, lol) then why on earth would you talk about Daryl and Carol as a mother/son relationship...unless you were instructed to.

She knows how passionate and sometimes toxic the Caryl ship is because she used to be one of them. So that just drove home for me that this isn't something she would just come up with on her own. And I did like what she said and how she said it. I honestly think she's trying to help the Carylers feel better about things, but also let them down gently. And of course there are some hardcore Carylers, like that account that said the ageist thing, that are just never going to give it up. Not much anyone can do about that.

The only other thing that struck me about the podcast, and also brought to mind stuff said on TTD, is that I'm more and more sure that everyone knows what's up with Leah's character. If she's an illusion (and I'll assume she is until we know different) I think everyone knows that. I think Lynn knows it, Norman, Melissa, all of them.

For one thing, she said in this podcast that she didn't know if or when she'd be back. That was kind of a slip of the tongue, I think, because we already know she's signed on for S11, and she's announced it. And they're filming. So that's just untrue. And I thought that about Melissa on TTD, too. She said she didn't know what the Leah story line would be, they only told her a little bit back in Bonds when she had to say "her dog." But Melissa is a long time, mainstream cast member. I just don't believe that she doesn't know where the story is going. Again, just something they're instructed to say. But something else occurred to me, too.

When Melissa talked about the "her dog" line on TTD, she said, "there was a line that became a thing." From that, I have to assume she meant that people started to obsess about it online and wonder what the "her" was about. I honestly don't know if anyone other than TD picked out that line, but they might have. Either way, between this, and their reaction to the Caryler's "ageist" comment, it proves that they read the online theories. And of course we all already know that, but there's proof. That ageist comment was posted like 24 hours ago. And already they're addressing it and obviously don't like it and don't want people thinking the show or its actors are associated with that sort of thing.

Which is exactly why I think they HAVE to know about our Leah-is-a-hallucination theory. Even others outside our fandom suspect it. But the writers aren't addressing that. And don't get me wrong: I don't think they will. The Bonds line was literally MONTHS ago, and they waited until the Leah episode to address it. Because otherwise, they'd have to give spoilers and they weren't going to do that. But my point is, if the hallucination theory was not a thing (kind of like Rick being on TWB was not a thing and Lynn Collins being an ageist is not a thing and Beth not being BBQed at Terminus was not a thing) they would be addressing and discrediting it. They aren't. I’m definitely side-eyeing that.

Daryl’s Search for Rick/Beth’s Search for Liquor

This is something my fellow theorists and I were discussing back and forth for a few days. I’m not going to give you the entire conversation, but someone said something about Beth searching for liquor in Still and couldn’t that be a foreshadow? See—you’ll probably hear more about this in coming weeks—but we’ve been rewatching old episodes like Still, Alone, and others, with an eye toward what we’ve learned from S10 and especially the bonus episodes. And we’re realizing there’s a lot more foreshadowing in them than we ever realized before. Most of what’s in them we’ve looked at in terms of the Bethyl romance and of course Beth’s return, but I for one have never thought to go beyond that. Yeah, I REALLY should have.

So here’s the thing. We always talk about Daryl searching for people, but Beth was searching for liquor in that episode. I've never really thought to connect those two things. It either represents the same template of Daryl's search for her, or it might represent her searching for him. But then, those two templates may be one and the same. I need to think on it more and make more connections.

One thing it did make me think of, though, is that there's a theme about not accepting the first and only thing that comes your way, because there's something bigger, better, happier, more fulfilling down the road. So, Daryl didn't want Beth to drink the peach schnapps because that's a weak drink. He wanted her to have a REAL drink. And of course we've talked about this theme in terms of the peach schnapps before.

But we kind of see it everywhere, including in relationships. The small, short term relationships all follow this pattern. Maybe it’s not a terrible relationship, but it’s not true love, either. So they need to move on from it and find the more perfect relationship for them. The locations or homes do, too. So, in 4b, we saw each of the groups stop somewhere and try to stay. And it wasn't so much that they chose not to. More often than not, circumstances forced them to leave. But still. The theme is that it was better that they moved on so a bigger reunion could take place.

And on that note, Leah really still does fit the short-term relationship pattern. If the point was to always show short term relationships that weren't ideal and something better coming down the road, that's why they wanted to do something like this for Daryl. Beth is obviously going to be the much better, more fitting, more fulfilling relationship, where he belongs, etc. But I think they knew they couldn't do that without doing a disservice to Daryl's character. The only way to satisfy both criteria was to make her a hallucination. So the pattern is still there, but for him, it's not a real or literal relationship.

Find Me Theme

So, @wdway is the one who reminded me of this. Back in 9x05, Rick gets hurt and starts hallucinating right before blowing up the bridge and being taken to the CRM by Jadis, right? All on the same page? Well, in that episode, there’s a huge theme about Rick finding his family. In every hallucination, he tells the people he sees—Shane, Hershel, etc—that he’s looking for his family and needs to find them. Near the end, he hallucinates Michonne and the others being with him on the bridge, and Michonne tells him that they’re his family and he did find them. Then, just before he shoots the dynamite, he says, “I found them.”

And now we have this episode called “Find Me” where Daryl is obsessively searching for Rick, and there’s a ridiculous amount of Beth symbolism thrown in. Are we seeing the over-arching theme?

So, what does this mean? I don’t think I’ve really pinned it all down, yet. But I do think this is an over-arching theme for the entire show. I think in some ways, “home” and “family” are synonymous, because home is wherever your family is. It’s not a physical location.

But we started out with Rick looking for Carl and Lori. Then Merle went missing, and Daryl searched for him. Everyone searched for Sophia when she disappeared. And the list goes on and on. So it’s a big theme. I’ve always said Andy didn’t leave the show just to spend more time with his family. That’s a happy bonus, I’m sure. But this was always a planned part of the story. Now Michonne is actively looking for Rick, we see Daryl searching for his body. And the reason Beth symbolism is thrown in is because he searched for her, but they didn’t show us that and won’t because it would be spoilery. And Beth is alive, even if Daryl doesn’t know it. And yeah, I could go on and on. Just wanted to point out this theme and how important it is. Which leads me to….

The Three Spikes

The last thing I’ll mention is the grouping of the three spikes he sees both by the door and on the outside of the house that we’ve all been trying to interpret. I kind of had a breakthrough the other night. But the thing is, it’s not just a breakthrough on the three spikes.

It’s kind of a breakthrough on the ENTIRE rule of threes theme. It’s actually kind of epic.

So here’s how I came to this. I was going over the template in my head, yet again, that I mentioned is shown both here, in 6x03, and that will be in the spinoff. So let’s run through it. We’ll use this episode, 10x18, as the example. So, Daryl is searching for Rick, right? And Carol wants him to stop and come back with her to where Zeke and Henry are. Those are two possible choices for him. But there’s also a third: staying with Leah.

Similarly, in 6x03, Daryl goes searching for Rick, rather than staying with Sasha and Abraham. Those are the two things he’s trying to decide between, and he eventually goes back to Sashraham.

Now, there is actually a third choice there. It’s just that Daryl doesn’t seriously consider it. The third choice is going back to Alexandria to help them. And this IS addressed in the episode because they talk about how they don’t know what happened, but some loud noise pulled half the herd off the road. We, the viewers, know it’s the Wolves, but Daryl, Sasha, and Abe really didn’t know what was going on there. And who is back in Alexandria, spear-heading the defensive against the wolves? Carol!

So you see what I mean. There are three possible choices there: find Rick, go with Carol, or stay with Sashraham. And I’ve said forever that Sashraham = Beth/Bethyl. And of course so does Leah. So the third choice is always the one that represents Beth.

Do you see where I’m going with this? If not, I’ll just tell you. This represents three different paths for Daryl. They’ll diverge at some point and he’ll have to make a choice about which one to take. And then I realized—duh!—they’re all actually represented for us here in this episode. Not only because of what I said above, but because Leah lays them out in her ultimatum. Where do you belong 1) out looking endlessly for your brother 2) back at the communities with your family (i.e. Carol) or 3) here with me.

So those are the three paths that he’ll have to choose between during the spinoff. That’s what the spikes are about, because they specifically dealt with his three choices in this episode. But that may even be the reason they used the rule of threes around Beth to begin with. She’s the third and correct path.

Want more proof this is a thing? @wdway sent me this pic after I first told her about it:

And guys, go back and watch this. When he gets to the crossroads, the camera pans around him, showing him being unsure about which path to take.

Then, while writing this up, I remembered that this did this in 6x03 as well:

On the left is Daryl on his bike, rejoining Sasha and Abraham who are coming down from the top.

Yeah, 3 paths. 3 spikes. Rule of 3s. Who’s excited for the spinoff? 🙋

Now, just one more thing not add to this I think you all will like. In re-watching 9x05, there’s the part where Rick hallucinates Shane, right? Well, part of their conversation there is about the “third man.” And I’ve talked about this before, but probably not nearly enough, because it’s more important than most of us give it credit for. Rick and Shane talk about when Rick was shot in 1x01 before the apocalypse hit. They say they thought there was only 2 men, but there was a third they didn’t know about and “that changed everything.”

I always saw that as perhaps a statement about Grady. Because they should have had three prisoners for the hostage exchange, where Dawn only had two (Carol and Beth). But after Rick killed Lambson, they only had two. If they’d had three, Dawn wouldn’t have been able to demand Noah back, because it would have been an even exchange. So the third man would have changed everything.

Another way to think about it is that, if the shot that hit Beth didn’t come from Dawn—and it REALLY didn’t, y’all) then there was another threat somewhere that they couldn’t see and didn’t know about. If they had, they might have been able to guard against it. See what I mean? I genuinely believe they used Rick’s arc in 1x01 as a jumping off point for planning what happened at Grady.

So, when I rewatched 9x05 and heard this conversation between Rick and Shane yet again, it made me think of the three spikes and Daryl’s 3 paths. So what if he only knows about the two paths he can take: look for Rick or go with Carol. But there’s a third path he’s not aware of, yet. But the third path changes everything. Because that’s where/how he’ll find Beth.

Eh, eh?

Okay, well, I’ve given you enough to chew on today. These are just some things we’ve been discussing from the episode that just keeps on giving. ;D Meanwhile, episode 19 will be airing in a few days, and it will be fabulous, too. Probably not quite as epic as 10x18, but still fabulous. ;D Thoughts?

#beth greene #beth greene lives #beth is alive #beth is coming #td theory #td theories #team delusional #team defiance #beth is almost here #bethyl

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curiousfeline · 4 years

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You know something? I've admitted to understanding Percy on a very deep level because I can relate and understand his character which is what makes him my favorite. I understand his faults and strengths. I understand his situation and actions. Because of that I'm able to call out all the bad about him while loving him emmensly.

It's something I've done. I've done it with the other Harry Potter characters and I see their strengths and weaknesses. It's why I say my least favorite is Snape. Not because I can't stand him and don't understand him. I do actually! I appreciate him as a character but I don't like his personality and how he treats others. I still find him quite interesting regardless and think he had far more potential than Rowling gave him (doesn't just mean a redemption arc either).

I actually count Draco and his pretentious ass as one of my top 10 favorites for the series. I love how snobby and misguided he is because a LOT of pure blooded children end up like that. He is a product of his raising. He is still responsible for being an asshole. However he should be given a chance to change because he shouldn't be throw to the wolves because of how his parents raised him. Do not punish a child for the sins of their father.

What interests me is that people (*cough* Dracotok *cough*) adore Draco or even Snape but trash Percy for *checks notes* being annoying and pompous. Ignoring the fact that he was a boy screaming middle child syndrome and desperately wanting approval. He was an ass too, don't get me wrong but for people to think he never cared about his family? That boils my blood. He loved his siblings so fucking much.

He was broken when Ginny got taken, he was only one who noticed something was wrong with her and he was wrangling Prefect duties and 4 siblings. He was terrified for Ron when he was in the lake, "looking paler and younger than he was" because he was scared. Which makes you think doesn't it? Because didn't people tell Harry "They weren't going to die Harry, we were gonna pull them out after y'all got back." But Percy didn't know that.

After everything that went wrong in that school and everything he's seen. I don't blame Percy for not really trusting Dumbledore. And the boy desperate for praise and approval was fed that by the Ministry. You know I honestly don't think he even received that sweater from Molly that "he returned." Because I don't think if he was as mad and upset as everyone claimed he was, I really don't think he'd send it back. He'd either keep it because 1) he loved his family especially his mum or 2) wouldn't even put in the effort or time to send it back.

For people who are stans of Draco to make these comments and tiktoks bashing and shit talking characters like Percy aren't even giving him a second thought. And the fact that they're acting better than everyone else is kind of funny considering their favorite characters is even worse than Percy on Percy's worse day. They all seem to forget (probably bc they're watching the movies and haven't read the books) but Draco was a vile little demon and said some nasty shit.

Also I'm going to come out and say it: If Percy's actor was more conventionally attractive he wouldn't be one of the most hated non villain characters in the series. Go ahead tell me I'm wrong.

If Percy looked like.... let's say, a red haired Callum Turner (Theseus Scamander) people would defend him and like him more. Because a lot of people who shit talk him call him the least attractive Weasley, which is honestly more of an insult to Chris Rankin than Percy which is unnecessary rude and inaccurate because Chris was cute as hell and fit him well in those first three movies.

#harry potter #percy weasley #draco malfoy #severus snape #percy weasley defense squad #welcome to my long ass rant because I saw another tiktok #dracotok #tiktok #*screams into void*#I'm 10000% about my comment on if he was more conventionally attractive #i know I'm right #which is funny because these girls are fawning over Tom Felton #but like I really don't see it #he's not that cute #in third movie #maybe #but now?#no

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Voodoo Island

Leonard Maltin thought this movie was boring, which is, honestly, kind of terrifying. Its ostensible star is Boris Karloff, who somehow managed to avoid ever being on MST3K, but it was produced by Howard Koch, the director of Untamed Youth, and was written by Richard Laundau, who did the same for Lost Continent (uhoh). It’s also got Jean Engstrom from The Space Children, and if the voice of the radio operator sounds familiar that’s because it’s 🎶 Adam Weeeeeest.

A hotel company wants to build a resort on a tropical island, but the scouting party they sent never came back – except for one guy, Mitchell, who has been reduced to a catatonic state by whatever it was he saw there. Worried, the hotelier sends renowned skeptic Mr. Knight to find out if it’s true that the island is under some kind of voodoo curse. After much wasting of the audience’s time, Knight’s party reaches the island and finds it infested with man-eating plants, coconut crabs, and unfriendly natives. I wish I could tell you more of the plot, but that’s basically all there is.

Voodoo Island is unusual as bad movies go, in that you don’t actually realize how bad it is until it’s over. Things that seem to be the plot move merrily along, always feeling like it’s building up to something cool… and then at the last moment it just deflates like a gas station tube man with his fan turned off. In hindsight, the audience realizes that very little of what they just saw had anything to do with what was supposedly going on. In many ways, you never do find out what was going on at all!

The middle section of this movie is not quite as obviously padded as Lost Continent with its endless rock climbing, but almost all of it is, retrospectively, pointless. On the first leg of their journey to the island, the party’s plane is caught in a storm and forced to make an emergency landing – only to find that the weather has mysteriously cleared right up! After repairing their radio they set off again, and nothing much comes of the incident. They stop on another island where they have trouble hiring a boat, and where somebody puts a curse of some sort on them. Nothing comes of this. Later still, their boat stalls out and refuses to start again, even after they’ve cleared a blocked fuel line. This has no real consequences, because the tide carries them in anyway, and the movie never deals with what happens when they try to leave the island again.

Along for the ride is Mitchell, the guy who was so terrified by what he saw on the island that he hasn’t moved or spoken since. He has a couple of medical emergencies that resolve themselves without long-term consequences, and then simply drops dead before they ever reach the island. They don’t learn anything from him or his condition. A similar fate later befalls another character, Finch, but this time the movie ends before he has a chance to either die or snap out of it. Mitchell is only in this movie to make it longer, and possibly so it could claim it had a zombie.

With the movie already half-over, we finally reach this mysterious island. The group are greeted by a trail of clues that make Knight thing somebody is trying to lead them somewhere… perhaps to answers, perhaps to a trap. Eventually they’re captured by the natives, but there’s no reason they had to be in a particular place for this to happen – the natives have been following them the whole time and could have intervened at any point. None of this stuff reads as padding because it feels like it’s going to lead to something. Again, it’s only when the credits unexpectedly start to roll that you realize almost the whole movie was irrelevant.

Padding is not Voodoo Island’s only problem – the dialogue is awkward at best. Most of it is on a Revenge of the Sith level, where characters just say exactly what they’re thinking in a way that might have sounded poetic on paper but just doesn’t work out loud. The boat captain, Gunn, gets a Gunslinger moment in which he narrates his traumatic backstory in a single talking head shot. Knight is forever going on about Rational Explanations and then suddenly declares his change of heart when confronted with a voodoo doll. There’s no meat to this arc at all, no sense of Knight questioning his worldview or coming to terms with anything – he just says I do believe! like he’s in a Santa Claus movie and then it’s over.

The worst of both the dialogue and the supposed character arcs occur in the love story. There are girls in this movie, so of course there has to be a love story, and it’s terrible. The lady half of this one is Knight’s assistant Miss Adams, who is very poised and professional and doesn’t smoke or drink, and spends the first half of the movie being tutted at by just about everybody. The other woman in the group, Claire, tells her she could just be so pretty if she’d only change the way she did her hair. Gunn calls her a ‘machine’ and asks if she even knows how to be a woman. This raises some hackles in the modern viewer, who wants to see Adams appreciated for what she is rather than what she has the potential to be if she changes everything about herself.

But Voodoo Island was made in the fifties, when changing yourself to please a man was what women aspired to! Miss Adams therefore swears off being a nerd and kisses Gunn, whose main personality trait is being a stunning asshole. He’s drunk and bitter, and earlier in the movie he tried to hit on Claire, who had to tell him to fuck off about four times before he got the idea. Later he insults and threatens Adams because her intelligence makes him feel like less of a man. Apparently one kiss from her completely undoes his PTSD and he’s a better person now.

These two getting together also totally dismisses the healthy and supportive friendship Adams has with Knight, who is not only her boss but has some fatherly affection for her. He praises her work ethic and tells her that she shouldn’t listen to people who think she’s boring. I guess we’re supposed to think it’s good that she quits working for him so she can run off with a drunk who’s threatened to slap her, because Gunn will make her life more exciting.

At the supposed climax, the natives (an assortment of ethnic-looking extras who never speak) take the group prisoner, and they are brought before the chief (a white guy in dark makeup), who tells them why outsiders aren’t allowed on the island. The prisoners are taken to a hut where they are tied up. One of them is possibly murdered by voodoo, and then the chief… just lets the rest of them leave. No conditions specified, although it’s implied that the islanders have more voodoo dolls and plenty of pins. We don’t even find out if they actually made it back. To get to their boat, the party will have to pass back through the carnivorous jungle without a guide, and once they reach the beach, they’ll have to fix their engine. It really feels like there ought to have been more of a climax, never mind a denouement. As the credits begin, I was just going, “that’s it?”

The actors are mostly mediocre. Boris Karloff tries really hard to rise above the material but never gets there, which is understandable when his lines are things like, “no, you fool, they’ll slaughter us to bits!”. All this badness really is a terrible shame, too, because Voodoo Island’s setpiece monsters, the man-eating plants, are actually incredibly cool. They never look real, but they’re much more creative than the standard giant Venus’ flytrap. There’s a thing that wraps long bean-like leaves around a swimmer and drowns her, another than catches its victims with a sticky bulbous stem, and yet a third that folds ferny fronds around prey and digests it! A movie that made proper use of these monsters would be a great time. I hope the prop people went on to the better things they deserved.

(At the other end of the effects scale are the coconut crabs I mentioned. These are not actual coconut crabs, but dead specimens of some other, much more gracile species. This, too, is unfortunate, because coconut crabs are living crustacean nightmares capable of killing and eating seagulls. One theory about Amelia Earhart’s ultimate fate is that she was devoured by coconut crabs.)

As for Voodoo Island having anything to say… it has some kind of muddled point about not dismissing the supernatural out of hand, but its ‘magic’ is pretty lame, and Knight’s arc is handled so badly that it passes by without making much of an impression. The story does seem to have another possible theme, though. As usual I can’t tell if this is intentional or not, but Voodoo Island seems to have something to say about concepts of ownership.

The hotelier has taken an interest in the island because he did an inventory of his properties and discovered he owned it. How he came to do so, we have no idea… it must have been sold to him by somebody else who’d likewise never been there, since the tribal chief tells us that Mitchell and his companions were the first white men to ever go there. What made that person think they owned it? Does the concept of ownership even mean anything when you don’t know that you own something? Does owning something entitle you to destroy it?

The natives own the island in the much less abstract sense that they live there. The chief tells the party that his people went to this island on purpose, because they thought its nasty flora would keep white people from following them there. They want no part of modern civilization, and seem completely unaware that somebody outside their community is claiming he owns this land. Whether the idea of ‘owning’ land is even a meaningful one to them, we can’t tell. When the Lenape allowed the Dutch to live on Manhattan Island, they probably had no idea the settlers would consider the land exclusively theirs.

These are some things that still need thinking about in the twenty-first century, and if you’re going to watch Voodoo Island do it for that and for the fun monsters. Even then, you’re likely to be disappointed.

#mst3k #reviews #episodes that never were #voodoo island #tw: abuse #humanitarian vegetables #50s

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I agree with you about people believing celebrities are their friends. SM broke a line between the celebrities and us and more people think they are closed to them while celebrities only show us what they want. Idk how to say it. I was in a fandom, i had an update account about the show. Some fans of a certain couple of actors believe they are closed to them, are their friends and that they know everything. Not only they are fighting and insulting everyone who don't like the couple but they also stalk this couple and posted many privates photos thinking it's normal to do that. I think many fans genuily believe it's normal to be like this or to be hateful because as a viewer, they can say whatever they want. And the worst part is they ask for respect and can be very hateful toward any actors or fans who don't like their faves. It's a very nasty game. All of this for being popular or for feeling validate by their faves. I don't know.

I have an update account about an actress i really love. I love her work! She is fantastic. And many of others fans asked me to send her dms and to tell her to follow them back as if we were friends. I think it's probably that the problem, the illusion, we really think we know them while we don't. We really don't know people in SM or only via what they are posting or don't post. Look at the ones who get mad at celebrities for not supporting this or that because they don't tweet about it. It's like living in a black mirror episode.

The thing is i can be really hard toward characters and some actors (like this couple i talked about because they are actual scammers) but i will never send hate toward actors. Who am i to tell them they suck or are horrible people? That doesn't make us better, actually harassment makes us worst and hypocrites. I think people believe they have the right to destroy life, to cancel people or characters. This kind of messages, of hate, of harassment destroy people and that makes them laugh or proud of it. So i understand actors who leave SM or stop reading their fans.

yeah that's exactly it - we're so much closer to celebrities now with social media and people mistake likes or replies from them with the likes or replies they get from fellow fans.

my friend does this and it infuriates me at times. I used to tweet her things like 'hey so and so show will play at a theatre near us, wanna go?" and she'd like the tweet (like some celebrities do to show fans they saw their message) instead of replying. And I'm just... if you see my message, why not reply??

and yes people feel entitled to attention from their fave and demand they support the same things they do.

I used to be in another soap fandom for ATWT (As the world turns) and one half of the gay couple on the show was a guy who openly talked about his gf in interviews and people knew her name and she had a youtube channel that people followed (kinda like Daisy with the robron fans) but the other guy never really talked about his personal life/romantic life at all. There were plenty of rumours and it was this sort of... idk what to call it - everyone knew but nobody talked about it in public. And some fans were really extreme in harassing people for even asking about the rumours/ if he was really dating that one guy. But they still friended both of the guys on facebook/liked their fan pages and tried to find pictures of them together. There was a video from a gay rights protest in nyc (around 2009/2010 maybe when social media wasn't that big yet) with a slideshow of pictures from the protest. And one of the pictures was the one actor with the guy he was rumoured to be dating. A lot of people saw that as confirmation that they were together and it was ok to talk about... but the guy himself never did. Not until after ATWT had ended and he was involved in a gay webseries that he 'officially' came out in an interview. And yeah everyone basically already knew that he was gay and dating the guy he'd previously referred to as his good friend... but at least it was his own choice to come out then (there were rumours he wasn't allowed to come out while he was on atwt but the world may never know if that's true). these days people hunt down any "proof" they can find on who is dating who and post it all over social media. And then it blows up and major news outlets start retweeting it/picking up the story... and people get outed against their will or their brand new relationship gets made public when they're still getting to know each other.

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