#anti ares

[lorelei-court]

Finally catching up to Lore Olympus and... not really happy with the route Rachel is taking.

Because yeah I get that this random nymph shouldn't have tried to seduce a married man, but I fail to see why it is alright for Ares to still flirt with Persephone and make the most sexualizing and innapropriate comments about her...

F*ck friendship and Idc if they knew each other way longer than Hades and Persephone, I think he's very disgusting and should stay away from her. I mean.. his obsession with her is the reason why Aphrodite divorced him, right?

I never liked that guy. Especially when he always tries to.. kinda force her to be with him? Like that one time he tricked her into kissing him or when he kinda demanded to go out on a date with him.

I truly don't understand why they keep him around and why Hades was never really angry with him about it... a few times warning him was barely anything.

[bitegore]

Zionists want you to conflate Judaism and Zionism. Zionists want you to believe that Judaism cannot exist without Zionism and that all Jews are Zionists. Zionism would have Jews believe that a Jewish state is the only way that they can be safe from antisemitism and will point to any instance of antisemitism as proof that Zionism is the solution- so Zionism wants gentiles to be antisemitic in their support of Palestine. They want you to conflate all Jews with Zionism and the state of Israel, and they want you to treat all Jews regardless of political affiliation as the face of Israel. Antizionist Jews exist, and incidences of antisemitism ostensibly acting against Zionism will not help dismantle the forces propping Zionism up.

Don't do their work for them.

[pro-sipper]

"- 'proshippers' or whatever the fuck you people are calling yourselves now -"

It's. It's still just "proshippers". It's you guys (antis) and the fence-straddlers trying to have their cake and eat it too that keep creating random new phrases to "other" and distance themselves from us. We're here, unchanging, same as ever, in our corner with our silly little stories. We aren't the ones interested in coming up with 500 new labels for people who know that fiction isn't reality.

[serene-faerie]

I didn't want to post this kind of discourse, but it's something that I genuinely can't ignore anymore.

It's no secret that the Silm fandom has a lot of problems with its standards for female characters. I've noticed that a lot of heroic female characters like Lúthien, Elwing, and Idril tend to be criticized and bashed on quite a bit.

But I've also noticed that there are three female characters that hardly anyone bashes. In fact, some fans actively like to pit these characters against other female characters by making them the hype-men of the Fëanorians.

(I apologize to any mutuals who happen to be Fëanorian fans. And this isn't to say that these female characters are terrible because they're connected to the Fëanorians, but these are just my observations. I still think they're wonderful characters on their own.)

First is Nerdanel, the wife of Fëanor and the mother of his sons. And with the Fëanorians being so popular in the fandom, of course she would be an automatic favorite. It also helps that she doesn't play a huge role in the events of the First Age, which gives fans the freedom to interpret her character however they wish. And despite the fact that she and Fëanor are separated following the Darkening of Valinor, Nerdanel still remains a favorite among Fëanorian fans.

Next is Aredhel. She's not only besties with Celegorm, but she happens to be the mother of Maeglin, the creep that fandom loves to woobify. People also sympathize with her for her tragic death, understandably so. However, there are people who will claim that she would've wanted Celegorm to rape Lúthien as revenge for her abduction by Eöl, never mind that neither Aredhel nor Lúthien even knew each other. Some fans will also have her sympathize with Maeglin for causing the fall of Gondolin, ignoring the fact that Maeglin betrayed the city because he felt entitled to Idril, Aredhel's own niece, and that he actively tried to rape her during the city's fall.

The third one is Haleth. I've noticed that Fëanorian fans really like to ship her with Caranthir, mostly because he helped the Haladin fight off a bunch of attacking Orcs. This is despite the fact that Haleth wasn't interested in living on Caranthir's lands as a vassal. Instead, she took her people to Brethil and lived freely in the domain of Elu Thingol. Nevertheless, people like to compare her and Caranthir to Aegnor and Andreth, sometimes making fun of them for their tragic separation and claiming that neither Haleth nor Caranthir would be as "foolish" as them.

What do these three women have in common? They have a connection/interaction with the Fëanorians at some point in their lives. So these women are just used to uplift the Fëanorians to the detriment of other female characters- particularly the creeps like Celegorm and Maeglin.

Which, in my opinion, is a huge disservice to their characters.

All of this is to say that Aredhel, Nerdanel, and Haleth deserve better than to be reduced to Fëanorian hype-men. And Lúthien, Elwing, and Idril deserve a lot better than to be pitted against other female characters.

[ladydeath-vanserra]

see the thing is. the THING is is that in the Greek Myths, Arês was one of the most devoted to his family and his children. Arês, the God of War and Spirit of Battle, sought out the justice and punishment for the rape of his MORTAL daughter, Alcippe, who was raped by Halirrhothius, the son of Posideon. He killed Halirrhothius and was brought to trial for the murder and then Acquitted for it

and then Rick Riordan, who is responsible for a lot of young people who get into mythology, says alllll the gods are neglectful. like. sure. yes. I get it. adaptations and all that. but there are still people who worship these divinities. There are people who study then academically and the cultural context surrounding those myths

do you know how *big* of a deal it is for Arês, a GOD, to seek vengeance for the rape of a MORTAL DAUGHTER and then... turn around and become a neglectful, emotionally abusive parent to Clarisse?

like yes. I know that the gods have 'warped and changed due to how humanity views them' but the removal of cultural context is so exhausting and to an extent insulting to the Greek Myths and the GODS that have shaped so many stories and generations

I dunno. it's just really sad bec Arês, out of them all, was one of the most devoted to his children because *he* was seen as the least favorite of all Zeus' children. He got scapegoated and now Rick Riordan has him as an abusive parent who isn't only neglectful, he's also emotionally abusive

[justmenoworries]

Y'know, for a supposedly oh-so-feminist re-telling of Greek myths it's weird that LO never in any way mentions the Amazons.

Yeah, remember them?

That mythical tribe of warrior women who kicked all kinds of ass? The original girlbosses? Ares' beloved daughters whom he had a very close relationship with?

[socialjusticeinamerica]

I’ve been warning about this forever. This potential tactic has been written about and discussed by far-right Republicans for decades.

😡

“Prieto was taken into custody in New Mexico on May 14 after allegedly supplying rifles to an informant and an undercover agent while plotting out an attack on African Americans and other minorities at a concert in Atlanta.

According to federal prosecutors, Prieto told the individuals, who he met while selling at gun shows, that he hoped to “kill as many people as possible” and leave Confederate flags, Ku Klux Klan propaganda and other “offensive rhetoric” at the scene of the shooting in order to incite retaliation and start a race war.”

[lo-shouldve-been-an-email]

…

We have been waiting literal years for mama Demeter to go apeshit on this asshole,to kick hiss ass and devastate him to the extent that only a single mother hellbent on protecting her only daughter could.

…and THIS is what we get?

[0lympian-c0uncil]

You know what I really hate about lore Olympus?

Is that people who don't know about Greek mythology and read it most likely will think that all of what is happening in it is true.

Like Apollo being  Misogynistic r*pist.

Hestia, being a controlling parental figure to Persephone

Demeter being a controlling, manipulative, mother.

Ares being a huge pervert, to Persephone and treating Aphrodite like shit.

And more like there are people who will believe it and it's scary that this is how people will see these amazing gods and goddesses as monsters instead of the (well not caring. they all have a lot of flaws and some that are unforgivable but you know what I mean) Except Hestia... she is the most loving caring goddess I know so she’s and exception to this rule.

[sarafangirlart]

Ok hypothetically speaking, if Perseus, Hephaestus and Ares show up in season 2 of Kaos, how would they be depicted?

[punkeropercyjackson]

To any Hobie x Noir/Percy x Luke or Godsshipping/Jason x Roy shippers on my blog:

[mylittleversaille]

Every day I see more and more pop myth takes that make me want to pull my eyelashes out. No, Ares was not a protector of women. No, Aphrodite was not a war goddess (and you know what, being the goddess of sex and lust and beaut is okay!). No, Hera is not an irredeemable villain. No, Zeus is not evil incarnate. No Achilles isn’t without fault or some ‘gay softboi’ icon (he’s literally presented in the Iliad as someone who is proud to a fault. You’re supposed to recognize that he’s selfish and arrogant). No, Demeter was not an overbearing mother nor was Hades some sort of misunderstood, brooding knight in shining armour. Medea is allowed to commit heinous crimes and still be a sympathetic character. Jason… deserves all the hate he gets, respectfully.

Off the top of my head, I think Helen is one of the few people who gets complex, interesting characterization in modern retellings and discourse, ironically enough. She’s allowed to be vain and aware of her own beauty while also often having a great deal of agency. At the same time, she is frequently depicted as both victim and as offender. She’s allowed to want to be in Troy, but also to miss her husband and daughter.

Some days I feel like I could write essays about pop mythology and the way people reduce mythological figures to one dimensional caricatures. And how these retellings are never as progressive as people think, fixing some issues but exacerbating others. I do think retellings end up being an excellent resource for identifying what social issues bother us and how we would like to address them.

For example, we see a lot of feminist retellings that want to show women as capable of the same things as men, and in so doing they reject or deride their own femininity. But a retelling that is ultimately saying that masculinity is more interesting or valuable than femininity isn’t a truly feminist retelling, but it does show us that our society struggles to find femininity compatible with strength or courage.

[gayofthefae]

This is what a Wheeler in love looks like

This is not

Also these are best friends btw

[pessimisticpigeonsworld]

The ASOIAF fandom is so funny about discourse; both in topics and reactions. The other main fandom I frequent on Tumblr is Tolkien, and the difference is remarkable.

For instance, in the story of the Fall of Numenor, there's a story about the usurpation of a woman that leads to tragedy. I'm talking, of course, about Tar-Míriel. She was the rightful queen of Numenor, but was usurped by her cousin Ar-Pharazôn, who caused the destruction of Numenor.

There is not a single person in the Tolken fandom who argues that Ar-Pharazôn was in the right, was actually a good person, or that Tar-Míriel deserved to be usurped. Granted, the story isn't actually the same as that of the Dance, but the bare bones are pretty similar.

Tar-Míriel isn't a morally gray character like Rhaenyra, in fact we know very little about her, but the parts we do know are good. However, both Rhaenyra and Tar-Míriel were declared their fathers' heirs despite the existence of close male relatives. They were both usurped and ultimately killed (Míriel indirectly) by a male relative.

Ar-Pharazôn and Aegon II are both written as almost cartoonishly evil. They both were horrible rulers and warmongers. Their reigns caused massive tragedies; Aegon II and his faction caused the deaths of the dragons and Ar-Pharazôn's actions caused Iluvatar to destroy Numenor.

Now, I'm not saying that these two stories are meant to be connected or paralleled, they simple capture a similar story pattern rooted in history. My point is that the ASOIAF fandom has a major issue.

The greens are not secretly heroes, good people, or morally superior to the blacks in any way, shape, or form. The obsession of the ASOIAF fandom to turn them into more "sympathetic" characters is ridiculous. Fandoms like the Tolkien one are able to embrace a character being a villain without trying to turn them into a hero.

It's so frustrating because this obsession with making the greens into protagonists damages fandom discourse. It's turned the Dance into a cheap "choose your team" issue, rather than a story of the damage of misogyny, the patriarchy, and warring lords. The arguments over which team is right is absurd and creates a space were misogyny is fostered and encouraged (even some TB fans)

I know, a majority of my posts are complaining about TG and their stans, so I'm guilty of perpetuating the cycle. But there's a difference between analysis of a character and arguing with people's rotten takes and just reducing the story to team discourse; I try my best to avoid the latter.

I'm sure a large part of this issue can be traced to HOTD, but I think it's indicative of deeper problem in the fandom. People reduce the issues in the main books to "who's gonna take the throne" rather than actually addressing things. They're so comfortable spouting misogyny in regards to Daenerys and Arya. The ASOIAF fandom has deeper issues that are being exacerbated by the writing decisions of HOTD and, before that, GOT.

[princessmeepa]

Looks like Daddy Sigma Ares got his Mommy Aphrodite in BOZ.

BOZ Ares is the real Alpha Sigma then the LO Ares who is just a pervert cheese block man with legs and he treats his Kim lavender looking ass bitch his booty call and she is the most ugliest woman he has never seen and he is in Lust with Bimo Lolita Trophy Wife Pink RS as the goddess of beauty and he is a stacker simp for her and While Ares loves his mommy Aphrodite deeply.

And who could blame him for loving her, besides being super hot and a beauty queen (because she is the goddess of love and beauty)

She’s a real badass Femme Fatale with a sword that would make his mommy proud and the mommy step on me.

[littledemon55]

Alright here's my requests!

"this user is satanist and hate vivziepop's stolas"

"this user will always love demonology stolas"

"this user love ars goetia but hate viv's ars goetia"

"This user love demonology ars goetia only (do not talk to me if you think ars goetia are viv's original creation)" with satanic pentagram picture

"This user want to beat the shit out of viv's stolas"

"This user see viv's stolas as a faker"

"This user simps on demonology stolas (the real stolas)"

"This user is a demon and anti-hazbin Hotel/anti-helluva boss"

"This user is a satanist skeleton and not ashamed of disliking helluva boss/hazbin hotel"

"This user is edgy and hate vivziepop's shows but also does not accept any kind of harassment" I want this one too since I am seeing things going crazy in critical community if you know what I mean

Here's picture of demonology stolas that I am talking about to use it on Userbox:

Also I want some of these edgy themed (black background and red text) since I am edgy myself ^^;

This took me some time, and I only read the last part when I was already done with most of the userboxes qwq

About the critical community: We aren't the problem. Someone is literally stealing old critic's faces and uses them to spread hate.