#complementarian

[melisssg99]

I think it's pretty funny that when I tell girls irl that I'm basically a housewife

Even the most woke, queer, left girls react with;

"that's amazing" "goals" "that's the dream"

"wow you're really living the dream"

Idk, I just didn't expect the amount of positive reactions I'd get from people.

🤭☺️🩷 it's cute

[graceandpeacejoanne]

Women Disciples, Introduction to the Series

I was not thinking about egalitarianism when I began to read the Gospel of John in Greek. But what I discovered has blown my mind. #Egalitarian #Complementarian #Patriarchy #Mutuality

I have been sitting on this for a while, thinking about it for a long time. The debate continues as to whether Scripture endorses, or at least permits, or rather forbids women from certain roles within the Body of Christ. May women be deacons? May women be elders? May women be pastors? May women be bishops? May women teach or lead in church? At stake, of course, is how to live rightly before…

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

obviously I'm all for complementarianism and Biblical male headship and gleaning wisdom from history, but Alisa Childers was so correct when she said some on the Christian right are trying to bring back a type of patriarchy that never existed

[idylls-of-the-divine-romance]

The use of the vulnerable quartet as a way of limiting who you should do justice to is insanity. "Are you a widow or an orphan" are they a human being? Are they an image of God?? Are they a living sacrament??? Do they have breath and blood and life???? Do justice to all women to all the oppressed to all children and to all foreigners. Do not try to appeal to the social justice ethical law of scripture to deny people justice!

[melisssg99]

This makes me so sad.

People have totally lost what it's like to have a natural healthy relationship with their own body/mind and the body/mind of their partner's/lover's.

Normal humans are not in the mood 24/7 and consent is extremely important.

You're most likely not asexual.

If you are, that fine.

You're definitely not demisexual.

That's called being a healthy human

who yearns for connection before anything else🩷

this exchange between OP & a sane commenter under yet another "I'm asexual but I still like sex sometimes" post is such a perfect example of what I've been talking about. some women nowadays are identifying as asexual because their view of sex has been so horribly warped by porn & misogyny. I mean she is quite literally saying "being asexual gives me an excuse to not have sex w/my partner if I don't want it "...girl you shouldn't need an excuse to not fuck your bf when you aren't in the mood. the validity of your consent is not at all dependant on what label you use! what a fucking horrible sign of the times that young women think they are the abnormal ones for not wanting to give their men an all access pass to their bodies.

[quiche-quibbles]

PATRIARCHY IS AN EXPRESSION OF OUR FALLENNESS AND IMPERFECTION AS HUMAN BEINGS.

Stop defending it.

[bookhobbit]

I keep trying to write another post occasioned by my digging through books on white Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian culture but it just sounds silly because I have to use the goofy-ass language they used to talk about it because that's how it was taught to me. Like if I type it out it sounds completely trivial and nonsense. I feel like, most people in the USA feel that they have a grip on this type of Christian Jargon because literally these people have been in some of the highest offices in the land for decades, and like, that's not untrue, but there's a) the way they talk now isn't the way they talked in the years I was growing up; there's been shift, b) I think it's true that many many many people outside this group do have some sense of it but there's still a lot of nuance I think is missing is you weren't raised in it, and c) the Evangelical/Fundamentalist movement is extremely fragmented and theologically diverse so what I grew up with many not apply to many other people. And I think that's one of the things that is alienating about it, and why I'm struggling to sort of shake some of the baggage, because I can't really talk about it! I could only talk about it and be understood with someone who was there. But I don't talk much to people who were there and certainly not about this.

[dimsilver]

just thinking about the endless ways to be a godly woman that I see exemplified around me…

like I know women who love wrestling and jujitsu and making chainmail and leading caving tours. I know women who love baking pies and handsewing historical clothing and can knit a mile a minute. I know women who are awesome wives. I know women who are awesome singles. I know women who have children and enjoy raising them and women who don’t. I know women who wear makeup and women who don’t. I know women who are quiet and women who are loud. I know women who are more logical and women who are more emotional. I know women who teach, lead, protect. I know women who learn, follow, serve.

and all of them fit into multiple of these categories. and all of them love and follow Jesus with all the heart and mind and passion they’ve been given. it’s just really cool :)

[melisssg99]

Like we do everything for a man🤣

I don't know about you

But I'd rather not live in a pig sty

🤭🤣

Tell a traditional woman you've never done any household chore for a man and watch her turning into a zombie. Like honey, why are you so miserable and jealous?? I thought you said nothing is more relaxing than feeling safe and relaxed in a "manly man's" energy?? If you're so happy and peaceful why does it bother you when you see us other girls not babying grown ass men and rather spending our time in something beneficial like doing absolutely nothing?? Hmmm?? Just admit it you're miserable and deep inside you wish you were free from that pathetic maid life. Maybe then, you might get some common sense to realize you need to escape that dungeon and shouldn't ever depend on a man.

[melisssg99]

I think we should normalize bullying men because they actually deserve it.

Men have been bullying me and my sisters for way to long and I am fucking sick of it.

Men are fucking creepy and weird and they are predators.

The only thing I care about them is their wallet because reparations bitch.

There is a reason why misandry exists.

Because men have been hurting us and stalking and raping us for years.

Hell look at the Medusa story. She was victim and she was blamed and cursed for it and obviously nothing has changed.

Hi! My first anonymous ask! Thank you for your ask.

I personally think bullying anyone is absurd.

We shouldn't ever normalize any bullying, doesn't matter their age, skin colour, sex, gender, religion ,background, etc. 

I'm sorry that you have been bullied. I know what it's like. I have been bullied through all of my childhood and adolescence.

It is true, we do unfortunately share our planet with some mean people. Scary people. People with no empathy.

Unfortunately, women are just as capable of doing bad things as men are.

It shouldn't be men versus women.

It should be good people versus bad people (very simply said)

The story of Medusa is sad indeed.

But I don't see how that has anything to do with good men today. 

Good men exist. 

It's hard to see sometimes when you are scared or have anger for them or when people focus on some rotten apples. 

Or if you only seem to have bad people in your life right now.

But there are still enough good people around us.

♡

[graceandpeacejoanne]

"Good News for Women," by Rebecca Merrill Groothuis

This book may be twenty-five years old, but it is anything but anachronistic. Both scholarly and approachable, the argumentation is impeccable and the citations good. #GoodNewsforWomen #Groothuis #RebeccaMerrillGroothuis

Good News for Women: A Biblical Picture of Gender Equality, by Rebecca Merrill Groothuis, Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 1997. 272 pages. Around the mid-twentieth century, the church began to re-examine its traditional patriarchal stance on the nature and role of women in family, church, and life. For centuries, the church believed women were inherently inferior – physically, mentally, and…

[justinspoliticalcorner]

Alex Bollinger at LGBTQ Nation:

Paula White, the televangelist who was appointed head of the White House Faith Office in the current administration, has a message for women: you must “submit” to men. She was speaking in an interview on the rightwing channel Real America’s Voice when she told host Steve Gruber that she thinks it’s “exciting” that “men are the fastest returning to the church” after Gruber asked if the current president is leading people back to Christianity. “They are becoming the bedrock, which is how God designed…” she continued before Gruber interrupted. “But real men!�� Gruber said, shaking his fist. “Men that stand up for their wives, for their families, for their churches, for their communities…” “Because God has an order,” she said. “Look, the head of my household is my husband, Jonathan Cain. Period.” “We have a loving, amazing relationship. But if there’s ever a time that a decision has to be made and we don’t agree on something, he’s the head,” she said. “It’s not hard to submit.”

“People were like, ‘Well, how could you have pastored or how could you have done this and stuff?'” she continued, alluding to how she’s a woman with a job as a televangelist telling women that they shouldn’t have that same authority over men. “By default, because two men failed and I was sent under spiritual authority to carry a load, which is very hard.” “I’m an evangelist,” she said. “I’m an evangelist, a Bible teacher, and I’m an evangelist.” She said that she is working for the president, who she claims has “been in ministry for 40 years and understands it.”

See Also:

HuffPost: White House Faith Office Leader Paula White Says 'It’s Not Hard' For Wives To 'Submit' To Husbands

The Daily Beast: Trump’s Faith Adviser Says Women Should ‘Submit’ to Men in Bonkers Rant

Raw Story: 'God has an order': Head of Trump's faith office says women must 'submit' to men

MAGA cheerleader and “pastor” Paula White told Real America’s Voice host Steve Gruber on Wednesday’s edition of America’s Voice Live that woman should submit to their husbands. This kind of message is harmful to women.

From the 04.23.2025 edition of Real America's Voice's America's Voice Live:

[secretariatess]

"I am uncomfortable with women teaching theology or being online apologists. That's blurring the line with female pastors."

Sir, at this point, it's a conviction of pride, not the Holy Spirit.

[thisbibliomaniac]

Patriarchies and egalitarians will attack complementarians before each other the same way leftists and anarchists will attack conservatives before each other.

[scobbe]

I had to read Genesis 2:18-24 this morning and of course I read it word for word out of the lectionary, but while practicing a bit this morning I came up with this:

“Then the Lord God said, "It is not good that this person should be alone; I will make a helper as a partner." So out of the ground the Lord God formed every animal of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the person to see what the person would call them; and whatever the person called every living creature, that was its name. The person gave names to all cattle, and to the birds of the air, and to every animal of the field; but there was not found a helper as a partner. So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the person; then he took one of the person’s ribs and closed up its place with flesh. And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the person he made into another person and brought that person to the first person. Then the first person said, "This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; this one shall be called a Person, for out of a person this one was taken." Therefore a person leaves father and mother and clings to others, and they become one flesh.”

Much better, right? I hope some translation has gone ahead with something similar somewhere, as it is theologically sound.

[dimsilver]

hey do y’all have advice for me about egalitarianism/complementarianism? and before you get too excited here’s what I mean:

I think Scripture clearly shows that God intends specific and different roles for men and women in particular contexts. I think that Scripture also says men and women are inherently different. I do not, however, think it says that the differences in nature and the differences in role can be directly mapped onto each other.

For instance, I believe Scripture says a man should be the head and leader of his household. But I don’t think that therefore leadership is not in a woman’s nature. I believe men should exclusively pastor churches. But I don’t think that therefore women should not teach Scripture.

I don’t know if I’m expressing this correctly. As this is a nonessential issue of doctrine to me, I’m okay with not knowing exactly where I stand in all cases. But I’m wondering, do any of y’all also fall kind of in the middle on these things, and do you have theological resources you’d recommend?