#complementarianism

[quiche-quibbles]

PATRIARCHY IS AN EXPRESSION OF OUR FALLENNESS AND IMPERFECTION AS HUMAN BEINGS.

Stop defending it.

[justinspoliticalcorner]

Alex Bollinger at LGBTQ Nation:

Paula White, the televangelist who was appointed head of the White House Faith Office in the current administration, has a message for women: you must “submit” to men. She was speaking in an interview on the rightwing channel Real America’s Voice when she told host Steve Gruber that she thinks it’s “exciting” that “men are the fastest returning to the church” after Gruber asked if the current president is leading people back to Christianity. “They are becoming the bedrock, which is how God designed…” she continued before Gruber interrupted. “But real men!” Gruber said, shaking his fist. “Men that stand up for their wives, for their families, for their churches, for their communities…” “Because God has an order,” she said. “Look, the head of my household is my husband, Jonathan Cain. Period.” “We have a loving, amazing relationship. But if there’s ever a time that a decision has to be made and we don’t agree on something, he’s the head,” she said. “It’s not hard to submit.”

“People were like, ‘Well, how could you have pastored or how could you have done this and stuff?'” she continued, alluding to how she’s a woman with a job as a televangelist telling women that they shouldn’t have that same authority over men. “By default, because two men failed and I was sent under spiritual authority to carry a load, which is very hard.” “I’m an evangelist,” she said. “I’m an evangelist, a Bible teacher, and I’m an evangelist.” She said that she is working for the president, who she claims has “been in ministry for 40 years and understands it.”

See Also:

HuffPost: White House Faith Office Leader Paula White Says 'It’s Not Hard' For Wives To 'Submit' To Husbands

The Daily Beast: Trump’s Faith Adviser Says Women Should ‘Submit’ to Men in Bonkers Rant

Raw Story: 'God has an order': Head of Trump's faith office says women must 'submit' to men

MAGA cheerleader and “pastor” Paula White told Real America’s Voice host Steve Gruber on Wednesday’s edition of America’s Voice Live that woman should submit to their husbands. This kind of message is harmful to women.

From the 04.23.2025 edition of Real America's Voice's America's Voice Live:

[melisssg99]

I woke up today, cuddled my cats,kisses my partner, ate freshly baked bread made by him, I was able to take some vitamins and make myself some matcha tea with locally sourced honey.

And I realised how blessed I am!

I thanked God and thanked my partner.

I physically went to my partner and hugged him and thanked him for the bread, the vitamins, the matcha and honey.

I thanked him for giving these things to me and all the hard work he does so he can take care of me.

It's so important to sometimes take a moment and realise how far you have come and the things you might sometimes take for granted. Things that have become "normal", even if they are actually extraordinary!

Life isn't always easy

But it is important to remember all the things you do have and the people who help you!

I'm so thankful 𖹭

[dimsilver]

hey do y’all have advice for me about egalitarianism/complementarianism? and before you get too excited here’s what I mean:

I think Scripture clearly shows that God intends specific and different roles for men and women in particular contexts. I think that Scripture also says men and women are inherently different. I do not, however, think it says that the differences in nature and the differences in role can be directly mapped onto each other.

For instance, I believe Scripture says a man should be the head and leader of his household. But I don’t think that therefore leadership is not in a woman’s nature. I believe men should exclusively pastor churches. But I don’t think that therefore women should not teach Scripture.

I don’t know if I’m expressing this correctly. As this is a nonessential issue of doctrine to me, I’m okay with not knowing exactly where I stand in all cases. But I’m wondering, do any of y’all also fall kind of in the middle on these things, and do you have theological resources you’d recommend?

[graceandpeacejoanne]

"The Creation of Patriarchy" by Gerda Lerner

Is it possible to trace the origins of the patriarchal systems that have been practiced worldwide for thousands of years? #CreationofPatriarchy #GerdaLerner

The Creation of Patriarchy, By Gerda Lerner, Oxford University Press, 1986. 318 pages. Is it possible to trace the origins of the patriarchal systems that have been practiced worldwide for thousands of years? Gerda Lerner (1920–2013), a professor of Women’s History, defined patriarchy as “the manifestation and institutionalization of male dominance over women and children in the family and the…

[spiderfreedom]

There is this image in Persian poetry, that men are twigs and women are leaves. Men don't see the light, that's why if they start to search their soul and try to find the meaning of life, they quickly come to the conclusion that life has no deep meaning. Women, on the other hand, are leaves, they have special sensors to perceive the light, and if they look inside their souls, they see that life is full of meaning. Men need women to fill their lives with meaning, and women need men for support and stability.

In this metaphor, it sounds like men are the ones who need women to make life interesting... There's no 'support' or 'stability' men provide that other women can't also provide.

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[gospelborn]

Men and Women in Creation

14 Points from Genesis that emphasize male-female differentiation  What does it mean to be a man? What does it mean to be a woman? While it seems that this discussion is a fruitless endeavor that results in people only stating their personal preferences, we do find an objective perspective given to us in the first three chapters of Genesis that demonstrate the essential equality of men and…

[melisssg99]

I'm quite sick today, it's a bad,bed day for me.

But yesterday I got my order of some new earrings that were on sale.

One pair of earrings I got are some little pearl earrings. I used to wear fake pearl earrings in my teens and hadn't had a pair since I was like 17 or 18?

So it's weirdly kind of healing to go back to wearing some pearls again.

I feel like a completely different woman now.

I think I even lost myself for a few years but I found that girl again.

I saw myself in the reflection of my phone and put my hair behind my ear, and looked at the pretty earrings.🩷

I might not feel good, or feel very cute,but those little earrings definitely make me feel prettier and feminine and that's exactly what I need right now.

It's the little things🩷

🤒🥺☺️🩷

[pastorjeremynorton]

Standing Between Complementarians and Egalitarians

The Western church is currently going through a major shift that needs to be acknowledged. Pastors, church leaders, denominations, fellowships, and networks are all deeply engaged in conversations about the role of women in church leadership.

Why are we talking about this? The Western church is currently going through a major shift that needs to be acknowledged. Pastors, church leaders, denominations, fellowships, and networks are all deeply engaged in conversations about the role of women in church leadership, striving to establish a standard on when and how women can teach, preach and lead in the local church. If you’re still in…

[spiderfreedom]

I like the sentiment behind this post but some of these replies feel weird

Men create, women imbue with meaning - it’s giving “Angel in the home”

This sounds like veiled conplementarianism. “Men are the head and women are the neck.” “It’s a man’s world, but it wouldn’t be nothing without a woman or a girl.”

Men make things, but women are muses who “inspire men, give men ideas, feed men, and give men ideas.” So women’s value was as muses and maids?

This is not intended to “call out” anyone because I’m sure it’s all positive intentions, but the idea that women are muses, that women’s value is in upholding positive sentiments, that women are the owners of emotion and the intangible, is just another way to move focus away from women’s tangible accomplishments and suggest our “true purpose” is in the divine realm of intuition and feelings. It’s Victorian gender norms with modern language. Men are makers and rulers and thinkers, but women are so nice and inspiring and throw parties, so it’s all equal?…

There’s some evidence women were involved in the domestication of animals as pets, in creating and maintaining fire starting technologies, cooking technologies, textile technologies. You can celebrate women’s social value and community work, but it’s weird to act like women just use things men have made for us.

Women all around the world have created traditional dishes and dances and sewn the clothing and organized the parties and preserved the photos and created the rituals and practices and customs and decided on the decor and set the trends of their communities and I am very proud to descend from them. Women make the world vibrant and warm. People say, oh but you haven’t invented as many machines and gadgets or you haven’t written as many classic books or you haven’t built the architecture but guess what? I don’t care because I will always take pride in how women have contributed to coloring the world in various unique ways

[graceandpeacejoanne]

Women Disciples, Introduction to the Series

I was not thinking about egalitarianism when I began to read the Gospel of John in Greek. But what I discovered has blown my mind. #Egalitarian #Complementarian #Patriarchy #Mutuality

I have been sitting on this for a while, thinking about it for a long time. The debate continues as to whether Scripture endorses, or at least permits, or rather forbids women from certain roles within the Body of Christ. May women be deacons? May women be elders? May women be pastors? May women be bishops? May women teach or lead in church? At stake, of course, is how to live rightly before…

[themoabmercury]

Dear Evangelicals:

It started with the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, which sought to save us all from Romans 1:18-20, and the certain knowledge of how God made us. Women are women, and men are real men as the CBMW understands them, the CBMW insists, in spite of what can be seen, both under a microscope and in plain sight.

Enter The Federalist, which seeks to warn us about what they see as the phony masculinity of counterfeits like ... James Comey.

Whither America, friends? Whither America?

It's a darn good thing emo Comey doesn't head up the FBI anymore. You can't very well protect America from her enemies, both foreign and domestic, when you're constantly crying about how she's circling the drain. We need a real leader, who tackles bears, prances around in flight suits, and rides horses while half-naked, not this guy👇.

I mean, what was emo Jesus's deal, anyway? Weeping and 

yelling and vandalizing MAJOR religious shrines (Talk about Christian persecution!) And then, He has to go and ugly-cry about NESTING?!? With JERUSALEM?!? Sounds kinda ....

Well, you're the guardians of churchy masculinity and femininity. I'll let you decide.

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

obviously I'm all for complementarianism and Biblical male headship and gleaning wisdom from history, but Alisa Childers was so correct when she said some on the Christian right are trying to bring back a type of patriarchy that never existed

[idylls-of-the-divine-romance]

The use of the vulnerable quartet as a way of limiting who you should do justice to is insanity. "Are you a widow or an orphan" are they a human being? Are they an image of God?? Are they a living sacrament??? Do they have breath and blood and life???? Do justice to all women to all the oppressed to all children and to all foreigners. Do not try to appeal to the social justice ethical law of scripture to deny people justice!

[bookhobbit]

I keep trying to write another post occasioned by my digging through books on white Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian culture but it just sounds silly because I have to use the goofy-ass language they used to talk about it because that's how it was taught to me. Like if I type it out it sounds completely trivial and nonsense. I feel like, most people in the USA feel that they have a grip on this type of Christian Jargon because literally these people have been in some of the highest offices in the land for decades, and like, that's not untrue, but there's a) the way they talk now isn't the way they talked in the years I was growing up; there's been shift, b) I think it's true that many many many people outside this group do have some sense of it but there's still a lot of nuance I think is missing is you weren't raised in it, and c) the Evangelical/Fundamentalist movement is extremely fragmented and theologically diverse so what I grew up with many not apply to many other people. And I think that's one of the things that is alienating about it, and why I'm struggling to sort of shake some of the baggage, because I can't really talk about it! I could only talk about it and be understood with someone who was there. But I don't talk much to people who were there and certainly not about this.

[dimsilver]

just thinking about the endless ways to be a godly woman that I see exemplified around me…

like I know women who love wrestling and jujitsu and making chainmail and leading caving tours. I know women who love baking pies and handsewing historical clothing and can knit a mile a minute. I know women who are awesome wives. I know women who are awesome singles. I know women who have children and enjoy raising them and women who don’t. I know women who wear makeup and women who don’t. I know women who are quiet and women who are loud. I know women who are more logical and women who are more emotional. I know women who teach, lead, protect. I know women who learn, follow, serve.

and all of them fit into multiple of these categories. and all of them love and follow Jesus with all the heart and mind and passion they’ve been given. it’s just really cool :)