#dramione discourse

[percki]

the state of things

[obsidianpen]

PSA: if you are not interested in reading about ‘fandom drama’, please skip this post. You are responsible for your internet experience. If, however, you care about exposing bullies and POS in fandom spaces (specifically the tomione fandom in this case), carry on.

I’m posting a document here that was recently shared with me. It’s about Greyana (if you don’t already know who this is, you’re not missing out, and I encourage you to ignore this post). Specifically, it’s about what a horrible person Greyana is in the fandom. I did not write it. I didn’t know about most of this until it was shared with me, including the parts where she attacked me specifically. I won’t go into all the details of what’s in this, but the short version is: Greyana has a history of harassing other writers, using alt accounts across multiple platforms to promote her work, employing bots to promote her work, using generative AI to write as much as she has in the first place (which means she has stolen from other writers to do so), and more. There is a reason she exists (as herself, anyway) only on specific platforms. Tumblr users didn’t put up with her shit and called her out, so she left. I therefore know I’m sort of speaking to the choir here, but I wanted to put this document out there. I probably should have shared it sooner, I just really didn’t want to get involved because she doesn’t deserve my attention. Now, however, I am, and I’m giving it to her… because this is about more than that.

I don’t like bullies. I don’t like malicious hypocrites, I don’t like liars, I don't like thieves, I don’t like people in fandom spaces tearing others down when we should be building each up and supporting each other, and I don’t like when it is painfully obvious that someone only cares about stats, about being ‘the best’ and about monetizing fanfiction in whatever way they can get away with (such as via TikTok). This isn’t about ‘fandom drama’ at this point. It’s about setting the precedent that this kind of deplorable behavior isn’t acceptable anywhere; that being abusive, deceptive, and malicious because ‘it’s only fanfiction’ does not make it tolerable.

The point in sharing this is simply to let people know. I’m not asking or telling anyone to do anything specific, although I encourage you strongly to not support her and people like her. These are the types of people who ruin fandom spaces. Who make other writers stop writing and feel good about themselves when they succeed in doing so. Actually, here’s something I’ll ask: if you like Voldemort/Hermione as a pairing and have considered writing it, now would be a great time! Because she has recently started spamming her volmione fic as though it is the only one worth reading, as though there simply aren’t any good ones out there (this is going to shock you, but there are), slamming those other fics, etc. 

Here is the link to the document again. It’s also posted below. It’s public. And keep in mind, this is only the shit that people thought to capture in screenshots before she deleted things. 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y4v_kUHBapUyqUqc4yOkD1TjduIO8pBk/view?usp=drive_link

[velvet4510]

See also poll 1 and poll 2.

[threalcrabbysamantha]

WHY WE SHIP - a survey

Hello fandom lovers! I am making a video essay about shipping, how we find our favorite ships, what they tell us about ourselves - and I need your help with a little research! So if you have OTPs or ships you're passionate about - no matter what the media is that they come from - please fill out this survey for me! It is completely anonymous and would be a big help.

I'm tagging a fair amount of ships, but if you could give me a kind reblog and to get it out to a wider variety of fandoms, that's also a great help!

Happy shipping!

[theschizotypalsolilquy]

Just a reminder

You can simply scroll past any ship you don't like on a03

No need to be a cunty karen

Wtf happened to turn you younglings to such prudes

Screaming over incest in the tag when the site was founded cuz of Wincest shippers

Same goes for all yall who like to comment on authors tiktok edits and tell them they're going to hell because they dared to write a ship you morally object to.

And if you wanna call me out for what I read, honey, I keep my history and bookmarks open. I'm too fucking old and too fucking crazy to have any shame in whatever intrigues me.

[justcallmemrslupin]

⚠️Why We Need Content Warnings for Toxic Fanfiction

(A post about fandom responsibility, especially regarding Dramione & Wolfstar)

It’s time the fanfiction community started seriously discussing content warnings for toxic dynamics in popular ships.

We warn for smut, violence, trauma — so why not for romanticizing abuse or emotional neglect?

Popular ships like Dramione and Wolfstar often normalize and glorify toxic relationships.

• Dramione puts a victim of racist bullying (Hermione) into a romance with her abuser (Draco) — often with no serious redemption arc or meaningful accountability.

• Wolfstar erases Sirius’s betrayal and neglect of Remus — like using his lycanthropy against him, trusting Pettigrew over him, thinking he was a traitor or not leaving him anything in his will although he knew Remus was struggling to get a job due to Umbridge's law.

And yet... these are seen as “tragic romances”? That’s not healthy representation — especially for teen readers still figuring out what love should look like.

Meanwhile, Gen Z fans slam Remadora (Remus/Tonks) for an age gap — even though Tonks was a grown woman, making her own choices, in a consensual relationship.

Yet those same fans idolize Sirius, the friend who repeatedly invalidated and hurt Remus?

That’s not representation. That’s hypocrisy.

This isn’t about policing ships.

It’s about responsibility.

If your story includes a toxic pairing, label it. If you're romanticizing canon betrayal and calling it love, at least warn readers first.

Because romanticizing unhealthy love teaches young fans:

That pain = passion

That neglect = romance

That manipulation = chemistry

Let’s do better. Let’s treat fanfiction like the powerful storytelling tool it is — with care, context, and honesty.

[hermiones-amortentia]

I was reading a post earlier today about why die hard Hermione fanfic readers are so vehemently against Ron or Ron/Hermione while wholeheartedly in support of her/deatheaters and it makes so much sense.

Part of it because none of them actually like Hermione as a character. They like an idealized version of her. Where she is hugely powerful, badass, single-handedly saves everything while having zero flaw. They feel threatened when someone has the audacity to say 'you are wrong' on her face. They see it as 'bullying' and 'an attack'. They do not want anyone challenging her to be better. They just want someone to blindly follow her. That's why they can't fathom Ron. He doesn't worship the ground she walks on. He tells her on her face when he thinks she is wrong and helps her to grow as a person.

Next, Ron is poor and Ginger. Wears hand me down clothes. From what I have seen those 'die hard Hermione fanfic readers' group is from the west and (mostly) white. They are classists. Aporophobic. Hate poor people. Having an empty pocket is a bigger sin in those people's eyes compared to being a terrorist. There's also this thing they are white. So they have never experienced oppression or Racism in their life. Even if they try still they won't understand Hermione's place in the wizarding world. Malfoy calling Hermione a Racist slur and deatheaters trying to kill her feel like a superficial scenario to them. To them getting over racism is like buying a chocolate cookie. Simply because they haven't faced racism or understand it's impact. On the other hand Ron's jealousy, his bad temper, his insecurities are much more real. Those hit home much harder than let's say Malfoys racism, genocide etc.

Next, lots and lots of them are very very influenced by out of character fanfics which they have been consuming since stone age and now don't remember anything about canon.

Next, lots of those women made bad life choices. They project that onto Hermione. Ron gets the ex treatment while the deatheaters get the fantasy man treatment. They also take Ron's most of traits and give them to characters they are shipping her with while Dunking all over Ron. Simply because they don't understand how can someone be working class poor with hand me down clothes and still has the traits they want in their fantasy man.

Their constant misreading of Ron's intelligence while claiming 'Draco is her intellectual equal' despite having a huge amount of proof in canon that Ron is much more intelligent than Draco, comes from the fact rich=smart. Poor=dumb stereotype.

They often say Ron would force her to be a housewife and want her to give him 10 kids. He would resent her smartness. When we see Hermione becoming minister of magic while being married to Ron, Ron is gloating about his wife's success and intellect and throughout series Ron is in awe of her smartness and her biggest cheerleader. Everything comes from the working class stereotypes.

There is so much and I mean SO MUCH rampant classism in the harry potter fandom I actually haven't seen in any other fandom that I am a part of.

[hprambles-blog]

Look, dramione is like drarry but with less flavor, less intensity, fewer shared moments, less tension between them, and it's just not as funny because, let’s be real, Harry was way more creative when dueling Draco...you know what I mean. Draco could be mean, but he wasn't evil and some of their dueling moments felt more like they're fighting for fun tbvh

🐐

[wineonawhitetee]

Y'know, in all my years in fandom, I've never understood people who commented stuff like "I hate XYZ ship but your art is soo good!" or "I ship ABC but this is amazing!!" under fanart.

But

I get it now.

I am viscerally annoyed when I see some bomb-ass art for an overrated ship that I'm tired of seeing

Or worse, an artist who's style I love that only draws that ship

This DOES NOT mean I will be commenting on art like that, because that's Rude and a Dick Move and the artist def doesn't care

But I just get it now

[justice-for-rose-tico]

Welcome to tumblr

[sajirah]

For the record, do not do this. This is not okay. Things like this are supposed to stay in fandom spaces. It is wildly inappropriate to be showing fanfics (especially dub-con/non-con fanfics!) to the actors or creators of the source material. Ever.

I love you all, but if I ever found out one of you sent my fics to SJM I would crawl into a hole and never come out.

[perosp3ro]

Im sorry but if your reasoning for not liking a ship is that they dont have similar interests/one is not as smart as the other then you need to make a friend or get in a relationship.

[roseharpermaxwell]

do you have any drarry sports au recs? like where they play soccer or football or anything else (not quidditch, basically)? sorry if you have been asked this before!! thank you so much in advance love your reclists smmmm

Sorry I'm just getting around to this ask! And thank you very much. I've really enjoyed putting together reclists and sharing what I love with others. 💚 I apologize in advance for hijacking this ask.

The truth is: finding joy in the Harry Potter fandom has become extremely difficult for me.

JKR's been awful for ages. That's not new. But things have gotten exponentially worse for trans folks, especially since the outcome of the US election. Things have gotten exponentially worse for a LOT of folks. I've been unable to participate - certainly not by writing, but not even reading in the hp fandom anymore. The dehumanization and bigotry turns my stomach. Of much less importance but still a contributing factor to the lack of fun: dramione (my original HP fandom) has become commodified beyond belief. It feels unrecognizable.

There are so many incredible hp fanfic authors. I've truly enjoyed them and their work, especially those celebrating identities and topics jkr would hate. I've read life-changing stories. I had a cocoon of escapism through the excruciatingly slow, exceedingly polite, and extraordinarily stressful collapse of my marriage. My time in this fandom was very special to me. I met incredible people who are very special to me. I'm grateful to those who've read and enjoyed my work as well. There are a lot of justifications to continue to participate and subvert her works and ideology - I don't judge anyone who does (unless you agree with jkr - then gfy). I'm just not having fun in her sandbox. What else should fandom should be, if not fun?

I encourage you to use my older reclists, read other works by authors on them, read *their* bookmarks, and to filter my bookmarks for tags that might help you narrow down a search. I bookmark everything!

I would be remiss to not mention the fandom that I spend time in now - red, white & royal blue, or firstprince. Especially if you are a drarry fan, there are lots of parallels! It's so refreshing to read fanworks of a book/movie that was written by a non-binary author, had a queer director, trans cast member, etc - basically just a big celebration of queer joy. It's so nice to not *have* to justify my participation, to anyone else but especially to myself. Anyway, I've got lots of those recs too, in my pinned post.

Things change. Life moves forward. Be kind to yourself and others!

Happy reading,

💚💚 RHM

[jellybellyblimp]

I won’t be explaining this but it’s

Drarry > Dramione

For the same reasons

Zutara > Zukka

[obliviatemyheart]

Lemme claify something real quick. I DON'T hate R*mione. I have a preference for Dramione and have always felt that Hermione's romance with Ron just wasn't anything special in my eyes. I won't bother responding to the R*mione shippers that basically went to war for their ship cuz I voiced my opinion on MY blog lol

Shipping is always always ALWAYS meant to be fun. It's meant to be something you can endlessly find comfort in. That makes you insanely passionate & makes your heart grow three sizes like The Grinch lol

Regardless of what you ship. It's all about the love of the shipping game baby! Not getting in your feelings and disrespecting people who don't align with your preferred ship.

[greeninkredletters]

Do you prefer mostly HEA, HEA if you squint, or Non-HEA fics??