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Here's another weird model of ZFC relating to the axiom of regularity that fucked me up when I learned about it. The axiom of regularity implies that there can be no set {x_n | n ∈ ω} such that x_{n+1} ∈ x_n for each n ∈ ω.
Let's construct our model. Add to the language of ZFC countably infinitely many constants c_0, c_1, c_2, ... and let Γ be the set of sentences Γ = {c_{n+1} ∈ c_n | n ∈ ω}. We will use the compactness theorem to show that there is a model of ZFC ∪ Γ.
Let Δ be a finite subset of Γ and Let J be any model of ZFC. Since Δ is finite, there is a maximum k such that the sentence c_k ∈ c_{k-1} is in Γ. Add to J the definitions, for each n ≤ k, c_nJ = k - n, and for each n > k, set c_nJ = 0. Then for all 1 < n ≤ k, c_n = k-n ∈ k-n+1 = c_{n-1}, and so J is a model of ZFC ∪ Δ.
Thus, by the compactness theorem, there exists a model of ZFC ∪ Γ.
This is very surprising, and at first glance seems to contradict the axiom of regularity! But what it really means is that the sets x_n from the first paragraph can exist, but they cannot be gathered together in a set.
downward lowenheim-skolem is so fucked up to me. what do you *mean* there's a countable model of first-order set theory
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i have been unmedicated for the entirety of spring break and thus have had little interest in writing this down, but i have been thinking about this for the entire week (as well as a dpdc clone danny au that resulted in it becoming its entirely separate batman au that includes a teenage vigilante bruce wayne, an ocarina, and me entirely incapable of making a batman au without making bruce dirt poor but we're not talking about that) and so i've finally went 'fuck it' and forcibly grabbed my laptop. I will get this done in one sitting even if it kills me.
BUT. This is about neither clone^2 danny nor about who i am calling Ocarina Batman. This is about my Danyal Al Ghul Au and more SPECIFICALLY it's me thinking about his relationship with Sam and Tucker specifically.
Tucker and Sam? Adore this asshole (affectionate) with every fiber of their being. And it is very much a reciprocated feeling, but Danny's thoughts will not be delved into much other than he would kill for them.
Tucker? The only person currently capable of getting a deep, loud, belly laugh out of Danny. Sam can get him to smile and to laugh, but it's the kind that's a chuckle-under-the-breath. The quiet, looks-down-while-huffing laughter. Snorts once with laughter and then grins stupidly.
But Tucker? Tucker can crack a slew of stupid jokes and Danny will be incapacitated for the next five minutes because he's laughing so hard that he can't breath. He lands one well-timed pun or quip and Danny will be close to tears. His laughter is their favorite sound in the whole world.
Sam is lowkey jealous of this ability, and she's gotten a belly laugh out of Danny a few times. But alas, it is Tucker who wields this power and has gotten it the most times out of the two of them.
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They're also both physically affectionate with Danny as much as possible. It started roughly around when they were 12-ish, a year since they befriended Danny, and they noticed that he sought after touch but never seemed to initiate (and was in some ways repulsed by it). They started slowly being more touchy with him. Hooking a finger around his to lead him somewhere, tapping his wrist, looping arms. Little touches, grabs, etc, to get him used to it, and once he started doing it back they started increasing it.
It's gotten to a point where he will now just. Lay on them. Like a lizard sunbathing on a rock. Leaning on their backs when they're sitting in class before the bell rings, his chin on their heads. He'll talk about anything with his arms looped around their shoulders.
If they're sitting on a couch at either of their houses, he'll lay his legs on theirs. Him and Tucker will press their feet against the other's and try and push against them (newsflash: Danny always wins, Tucker claims its the ghost strength but Danny's been winning since before his accident)
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Naturally, both Sam and Tucker know where Danny keeps his weapons on his person, and are allowed to grab them off of him if they need it. His only requirement is that they don't lose his weapons if they take it and forget to return it immediately.
They both understand how big of a thing this is from Danny, and so they do their best to treat his weapons with a lot of respect and care because they know its his way of saying he trusts them.
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Sam and Tucker are so fond of Danny it's insane. Like fr. That's their goddamn best friend, and they are so protective of him. Emotionally, physically, you name it. They will tear the head off a grown man if they need to, Danny's had scars since he arrived in Amity Park and Sam and Tucker both are going to find the person who put them there and make them pay for it.
One time, Tucker overheard a bunch of upperclass girls speaking nastily about Danny and about the rumors surrounding him, calling him names like 'freak', 'monster', etc. Danny was with him and heard it, and seemingly appeared unbothered by it, even telling Tucker that he was used to such rumors.
Tucker was so furious that hacked into the school system later that night and tanked those girls grades. They were kicked out of their clubs and had to go to mandatory tutoring for the rest of the year. He made sure to leave some way of letting them know it was him who did it.
And Sam doesn't like using her money for things, doesn't like abusing that wealth. So instead, whenever her parents talk bad about Danny, she causes a media incident that has her parents scrambling to deal with. She does something wild, outrageous by her parents' standards.
She heard some boys on the basketball team making fun of Danny once, similar to those girls had. She kicks up a fuss about something eco-unfriendly at school and forcibly holds a protest on the same day of the big home basketball game, forcing them to cancel the event and reschedule to a visiting school.
She anonymously donates money so that there's new uniforms for the team but oops! Looks like she "forgot" to donate enough money for them to get uniforms for all the team members, and strangely enough those boys in particular didn't get them! Looks like they'll have to wait until more money gets donated for the basketball team to get their new, nice uniforms. The old ones look so ratty in comparison, right?
And since the football team gets most of the sport money, that might just take awhile. And if (and when) they kick up a fuss? oops! Off the basketball team you go, :) such unsportsman-like behavior is unfit for the team.
(The only good thing about how corrupt the school system is is that she can use it to her advantage too.)
The both of them know that Danny suspects them for the sudden misfortune falling on these people, but he doesn't call them out on it. He's kinder than he used to be, but not kind enough to vouch for people who speak badly of him. Sometimes, he might just congratulate them on not getting caught.
Because Danny is their wonderful, hurt friend with a "slightly" Blue and Orange Moral code, and enough scars that people have been calling him a criminal (and worse) since he arrived in Amity Park when he was ten. And they'll be damned if he gets hurt anymore.
#dpxdc#dp x dc#danny fenton is not the ghost king#dp x dc crossover#dpxdc crossover#dpdc#danyal al ghul#its kinda hard to get my thoughts in order bc i am ✨unmedicated✨ rn BUT#this is the gist of it#i could wax poetic about how much sam and tucker adore danny as their friend but alas. the wax is not waxing. it is stuck to the paper#and i am chipping it off with my nail and its getting stuck under it.#ocarina batman has been in my head since friday someone come sedate me. him and pit fighter batman too. who is ALSO a piss poor teenage#bruce wayne who instead of a vigilante and villains is a PIT FIGHTER. he fights blindfolded thats why he's called the bat#ocarina batman's Look is if you combined punk + assassins creed aesthetic together and then gave it an ocarina#the ocarina is because i thought it'd be cool if its how he and robin communicated across long distances bc they didnt have comms#because they are ✨poor✨ and live in a one room apartment in crime alley.#and also the mental image of him sitting on. rooftop ledge in the rain playing 'song of storms' from LoZ was too fantastic to ignore#like bro imagine hearing that as a criminal. you're off doing shady shit with your gang and in the distance you hear the faint and#haunting melody of an ocarina. two of them in a call and response duet. and its getting closer. and you cannot find where#siren type shit fr fr#look he has the assassins creed hood and a long ass coat that has spikes on the end that when flared out looks like the silhouette of a bat#on fucking GOD i am this 👌 close to finding an artist doing commissions to make this for me. i am frothing at the mouth#he is 17-19 years old with his little brother-son Robin. Logically Robin is Dick but in my heart of hearts the first Robin is Jason#and he has perfected the art of getting his older brother to play songs on the pan flute for him. long pitchy whine on his own ocarina#the familiar childlike 'pleeeaaaaaaase?' and he knows he's won when there is a 10s silence on the other end before his brother plays#a lullaby.#look up 'sailor moon - pan flute (relaxing) on youtube' and when there's the thumbnail of two green skinned aliens with long blue and pink#hair. click on it. THAT is the song Bruce plays.#hhhhhhhhhhh frothing at the mouth over this au sooo fucking badly
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had a sudden inspiration wave hit and also decided to make this a practice and a study of stuff
#tw eyestrain#tw eye contact#tw eye imagery#I guess bc last two have some here and there#fanart#my art#sketch#undertale#flowey#chara#frisk#omega flowey#eyestrain#I like how they actually are in a cool gallery-like way#like I drew them in a different order but they look logically better#that omega flowey one wasn't supposed to be so detailed at first#undertale fanart#most of these are the same size and it was interesting too#I also basically checked my year progress with this bc last year I fell into UT again around same time#anyway it's 8 am and I haven't slept still#I need to sleeeep#phew
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Justify away (Patreon)
#Doodles#Clinical Trial#Angel Martinez#Lee Smith#I had far too much fun drawing that first one even if I do think it's OOC lol#I don't think he'd touch them that casually I just reallyyy wanted to draw it#Thus his apology afterwards lol#They're in a particularly delicate mindframe at that point! No way he'd touch them without their express permission#Though he sure does overstep in other ways huh - that's kind of his MO haha he won't lift a hand against their will but anything else?#Fair game#He's creepy! Convinced he means well and in some ways he does but agh#I like how I honestly can't settle on the way I feel about him haha - I just feel A Lot towards him!#I'd tell him to treat Angel well but I already know he'd literally die before he made any other move pft.... Oh Lee...#His self-justifications are probably the scariest part of him - the way he can turn so quick on a dime if he just convinces himself#''No actually I intended to do that from the start'' uh huh - guy who definitely had everything figured out from the very beginning#Sure Lee lol#Which isn't to say he's not intelligent! That's part of his problem really lol he can talk himself around with logical arguments#Doesn't mean he's right but once he's settled he's hard to unsettle haha#What he regrets and what he doesn't give such an insight into what he values as well#Murder? Just doing more good than harm - harm reduction even getting rid of someone without remorse#Better him than someone else and better Brandon than let him run loose#Neverminding him taking the role of judge-jury-executioner - and this is no defense of Brandon I do basically agree with them both#But that's still not Lee's choice#But the closet? Something he does regret - because that was selfishly motivated that was inward-aimed with outward consequences#Murder was to help Angel and anyone else in the line of fire - the closet was Lee's own pleasure above all else#Makes sense that he'd be more worried about one than the other and that order being a little skewed lol#Not something he could justify to himself and so it became a regret! Man - the fact that the Reject-Reject ending has him predict Angel :(#Wonder if it's something he could ever spin the positive on if given enough time - everything happens pretty fast thereafter#Impulsive guy.... But that is part of the Lot I feel towards him haha
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I answered yes but there are good justifications for all three answers, where strictly yes is possibly the weakest one:
NO:
Assuming a prerequisite of working within arithmetic with common expansions by definition of the language, but no additional expansions by definition, you are writing a nonsense expression. Those symbols do not have meaning written in that way within the standard framework, so the answer from the logical language of arithmetic is no this is not ok.
ORDER OF OPERATIONS:
However, by defining an order of operations, we give that sequence of symbols meaning. An order of operations is an expansion by definition of the logical theory arithmetic (or any logical theory in a language with function symbols for that matter), we provide a way to uniquely map any syntaxless sequence of symbols to a term in the language of arithmetic.
In particular an n-term induces a formula (in a language expanded with f as n-ary function symbol, this can be a family of formulae but iirc a single formula phi(x*,y) which is a functional class in the unexpanded language will always suffice) phi:"forall x* (f(x*)=t(x*))", where x* is an n-tuple of variable symbols. This formula uniquely determines an assignment for the n-ary function symbol f in any model of the theory of arithmetic expanded by this formula .
By choosing an order of operations to use in arithmetic, the american elementary school standard order for example or even literally just left to right order, and then any expression that can be interpreted by the order of operations is a valid expression to write. However this kind of goes against the spirit of the question because then 2^1^2=(2^1)^2 is also interpretable but not ofcourse equal to 2^(1^2).
YES:
The most fun way i can think of to answer your question though is to take ambiguous formulae and make them an expansion on the notion of "terms" in first order logic. Concretely this is done by making them relation symbols in an expansion by definition of any given theory. However we define these symbols in such a way that they may be used notationally as terms. In fact we could build first order logic from this conceptual expansion but it is orders of magnitude easier to just introduce this concept through existing concepts in first order logic.
First we define what an ambiguous expression is. An ambiguous expression is an equivalence class of terms determined by expansion to an equivalence relation of the following recursively defined relation, with f,g function symbols, x*,y* tuples of terms, and t,s terms:
f(x*, t, y*)~f(x*, s, y*) <= t~s
g(x*,f(t, y*))~f(g(x*,t),y*)
Notice that this relation corresponds to the informal relation "are the same when removing brackets", but more general since it applies to function symbols that don't use inbetween notation too. We can extend the notion of ambiguous expressions by first extending our language to duplicate all function symbols, denoting f' as the duplicate of f. Adding the formulae "forall x* (f(x*)=f'(x*))" to the theory makes it an expansion by definition.
We then expand our definition of ambiguous expressions to these f' by only including the first equivalence for these function symbols. Informally f is a function "without parentheses" while f' is that function "with parentheses".
An essential property of these equivalence classes and a good exercise for the reader is that every equivalence class is finite, and the variable symbols appearing in any two equivalent terms are the same. (hint: the order of terms from left to right is the sane on the LHS and the RHS of the elementary equivalences.)
Now that we have these equivalence classes on terms in our expanded language, fix any n-ary relation symbol (including "=") and any n ambiguous expressions. Introduce an m-ary relation symbol , where m is te sum of the amounts of variable symbols in representants from each of the n equivalence classes. In this way, add a new relation symbol for any relation in the initial language and any corresponding tuple of ambiguous expressions.
Fix any newly added relation symbol R([t]*), where R is an n-ary relation and [t]* consists of n ambiguous expressions, say R([t]*) is m-ary. With v** an m-tuple partitioning as n different tuples v*_i each corresponding in length to the amount of variables in elements of [t]_i, we can write a property axiomatizable as some phi(v**). is the elementary formula of the property 'for all tuples r*,s* of terms such that r* and s* satisfy componentwise inclusion in [t]* we have R(r_i[{v_i}*]) ^ R(s_i[{v_i}*])'.
Notice the finiteness of all ambiguous expressions as equivalence classes guarantees axiomatisability. We can just take a conjunction of the elementary formula part of the property over the finite amount of pairs of tuples of terms componentwise included in [t]*, which is of course still an elementary formula (although it can get rather large).
Finally we can make an expansion by definition in this expanded language. For every newly added relation symbol R([t]*) and corresponding m-tuple v** of distinct variable symbols, we add the formula "forall v**(R([t]*)[v**]<-->phi(v**)", with phi the elementary formula described above. We can replace the logical and with a logical iff in the axiomatisation phi to get relation R*([t]*), which checks "well dedinedness" rather than "well defined truth".
Notice that everything with regular terms injects neatly into ambiguous expressions through the duplicated function symbols having singleton equivalence classes. Well defined truth of an expression in that case just means truth since the well definedness is trivially satisfied.
To conclude this text we look back at one of the examples you gave, the ambiguous expression 3^2^2 is the equivalence class of terms {(3^2)^2, 3^(2^2)}, notice this is ^(^(3,2),2)~^(3,^(2,2)), and the ambiguous relation 3^2^2=81 evaluates to true in natural arithmetic (therefore 3^2^2=*81 certainly does).
This is something i just tought up so as far as i know it is not common consensus at all, it has basically no practical applications as far as i'm concerned. But it does provide a framework for your expression to be sensical and evaluate to truth. I think this is probably some subcategory of an application of some existing subject but oh well...
#math#mathblr#first order logic#i spent 5 hours on this oh god#mathematics#long post#loooooooong post#loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong post
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one thing i'm noticing about most cobra kai discussions that i'm seeing online is that many people seem to not have watched the karate kid movies before watching the show -- which, on the one hand, is understandable given that the show does provide enough context to stand on its own (and that many fans are young enough to have missed the original movies), but on the other hand, there will always be some things that you can only really get if you watched the movies.
i, however, dutifully decided to do my karate lore homework before starting the show, so i'm aware of the difference this should make in the experience. like, for instance, the fact that daniel opposed the creation of cobra kai less because of his personal rivalry with johnny and more because an insane coked up millionaire terrorized him and mr miyagi for weeks when he was a teenager and tried to groom him into having a villain arc on karate kid 3, specifically through recreating cobra kai but doing it in 'the right way' and tricking daniel into joining it, all with the goal of corrupting daniel and making him suffer a humiliating defeat in order to bring the dojo back and spread it throughout the country like some saturday morning cartoon villain. an experience which shook daniel up more than having a duel to the death with a karate assassin who tried to kill him and his girlfriend with a knife. so when he sees his old school rival trying to reopen the same dojo, he's not into it lol
#cobra kai#actually i think that daniel is the character who suffers the most from ck fans not watching the movies#like the popular meme online of 'daniel is the real villain of the karate kid and johnny did nothing wrong'#(a joke that was the inception of the cobra kai show if we're being honest)#paired with the fact that we experience the most of the story through johnny's pov#and that the show deliberately inverted their original social standing in order to create an underdog story for johnny#and pose daniel as the snobbish antagonist at first#it all serves to create a very different impression of the character to those who ONLY see him in cobra kai i think#especially because cobra kai was a corrupting force on the movies and miyagi-do was a posed as the antithesis of that#so by the movies' logic it does make sense that he opposes it on a fundamental level for most of the series#it's just that he doesn't know he's not on karate kid 5: senior years. he's on a show called 'cobra kai' lmao#anyway. much like on the show i'm thinking too much about teenage karate now lol
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can you imagine what an absolute dumpster fire gta v would be if simeon had sent lamar to michael’s house instead of franklin?
it’s fairly obvious that franklin is written to be michael’s perfect mouldable protege in the beginning: tough upbringing, seemingly doomed to a life of crime, with a level-headed pragmatism and empty, materialistic streak. and what is lamar but the trevor to franklin’s michael?
so how would michael react to someone who reminds him of his psychotic old running buddy so fiercely? fuck, how would trevor eventually react to this young, dumb and full of. uh. nerve? and cockiness, and unpredictable violence?
i always found it compelling how trevor treats franklin a little bit like Michael’s Newest Victim when they first meet. how much more insane would it be, if he saw himself in him?
#you have a type huh mikey. you always were a fix-a-hoe.#logically i know the story never would’ve progressed in the first place#michael would order lamar to drive through the window and see that overexcited hungry glimmer in the kids intense brown eyes#and decide then and there he can never see him again. shoot him if he comes back near the house. he can’t be around that again.#gta v#chatter#F#T#M#LD
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Part of the reason i like captain kirk as a character is that he will put everything on the line on the CHANCE that something can be done. He's always thinking that there has to be a way, and if not they'll create one. He's also so feelings-oriented and will fall back on his hunches when needed and his hunches are in fact treated as something sacred. I'm the same way in every regard and it's something i've always been criticized heavily for (I've constantly been told that i don't think things through and i'm chastised for being reckless). But that's how captain kirk is and he's treated as if that's his own unique genius. He's respected for it and we can see how if he weren't to take the risks that he does then they'd all be doomed in so many situations. This isnt really well written but im just thinking out loud here... ok... End post
#I feel like im being represented. Thats what it is#Society is so rational and utilitarian. And ive personally seen way more characters in media who meet this criteria#Who are treated like geniuses and are valued for it#While relying primarily on your feelings is denigrated#But spock is the character in this show who is logical in this way and his over-reliance on it is seen as a hindrance#Hes respected and valued for his talents but the show pokes fun at him a lot because he is so at war with his own self#And he thinks hes better than everyone else for it#For example. Im healing my trauma at the root#Society tells you over and over that it's impossible and that once you have ptsd you have it for life#But i said. NOOOOOO WAYYYYYY#And I spent years doing everything i could and seeking out knowledge and trying to understand the problem from the inside#In order to find a way. And for a long period of time i had no idea if there was a way out or not but i kept trying anyway#Bc i was certain there was a way#And i put everything on the line in order to do it#I had a captain kirk moment idk.#I just do shit. Always have. I can be reckless at times. But i eat life whole#captain kirk is the first time ive ever seen that shown in a positive light#You can throw all the logic at him you can that its not gonna work and hes like... No.... No theres a way...#And then they all find one.#Of course this can be confused with magical thinking. I used to have a lot of magical thinking. Where my child mind thought#that something was gonna work but it couldnt actually work#I think theres a difference
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In case anyone else was wondering, I did the math and, to reach a speed of 5000 mph by going up in a plane and jumping out or something, you would have to free fall from a height of approximately 160 miles, which is in the thermosphere (not breathable air) and doesn't leave you with enough distance to decelerate safely so it's not really a viable method. Yes I took a break from the action movie show to do physics don't worry about it
Scratch work for reference
#i dunno if brennan would have let this one slide with action movie logic but dang did go to space so maybe#this is not a bit btw my first instinct was to calculate how far you would have to free fall from in order to reach 5000 mph#never stop blowing up#dimension 20#d20#d20 nsbu#dropout tv
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not gmmtv updating the 2025 lineup playlist to place the trailers in order from most to least viewed
#idk what the logic was in the order that it was in before#but g4's project was first which kinda makes me giggle a little#archer speaks
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Thank you for spreading that thing about voting. The rhetoric I've been seeing from a lot of the left, at least on here, has mirrored 2016 really closely and it's getting me extremely nervous.
yeah considering how many self-destructive doomer-y "it's not even worth voting, nothing but DIRECT ACTION can save us now" posts i've seen cross my dash over the past couple years i figured it was probably smart for me to spread it when i saw it going around again. i'm not american myself, but i have a lot of loved ones down there who really especially cannot afford a republican win this year, and i'll do whatever little i can to help them stay safe-ish. (not to mention i DO still share a land border with the US, and a vicious autocrat god-emperor would probably not be a great next-door neighbor for me either)
#ask#anonymous#us politics#honestly the 'why even bother voting? we just need to start throwing bricks' logic is so terrible under even the mildest scrutiny#like first of all. why not do both. in that order.#but ALSO if you don't vote then the people you are gonna be throwing bricks at later may end up with a lot more power to crush you#these are multiple methods of change and prevention that can work in parallel#treating them as mutually exclusive only benefits the people who would absolutely prefer you do neither#you certainly can't make anything WORSE than they already would be by voting blue in this situation. it is neutral at worst#it's not like they'll call the whole election off and reorganize the entire system just because YOU boldly didn't show up to the polls lmao
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favorite type of villanous characters are the ones whose motivations boil down to

like they dont even have to have any stakes in the broader situation. they just have take pleasure in destruction
#sometimes this can be done in a very funee cartoon villain kind of way a la spike from buffy#and sometimes it can be done in a positively chilling way where this character knows for a fact that some of the effects of their chaos#will also make their life worse. but they just enjoy fucking with other people more than any privation they could personally experience#you can't sway this person with common sense because their own personal logic dictates that it doesn't apply to them#you can't sway them with emotion; your sadness/fear/anger/ineffectuality is part of the entertainment factor#can't sway 'em with threats because dodging threats is ALSO part of the whole point#this second version is the least pathetic type of character mostly because they simply do not give a shit about anything ever#any personal fears are buried or stomped out and figuring out why they do what they do won't stop them from doing it#and yet: in order to keep the relentless making-it-worse guy from being uninterestingly evil there does have to be SOME desire or need#bodily harm or lack of available victims could get you a moment of genuine terror or loneliness that sparks the audience sympathy#which you do need! just long enough for the sympathy to then be misplaced. which you also need bc this is an antagonist#the first version does very well at redemption arcs and is sort of built for them . they're almost too easy for the first cartoon version#the second version should be kept separate from redemption arcs at all costs#or you no longer have that character anymore now he's someone else#writing tag#q#god. one thing is that i know how to spot character types in writing and detail what's good about them and talk about it#but when it comes to then executing the concept? my perception of what's cool and works and my execution are MILES apart#frustrating as hell that i can identify this guy but not create him
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Had a fun time this afternoon
Was hanging out with some of my friends who are also mathematicians, and as mathematicians do we of course started spontaneously talking about deep philosophical topics like what is information, and does mathematics exist independently from intelligent life to interpret it
Could not find a nerdier conversation topic, but we had a fucking blast
God I love being a mathematician
#it helps that one of my friends is also a classicist#so she can just pop in and be like ah so you’re a platoist#and then have to explain what the fuck that means to the rest of us#also talked about this shit in the most math way possible#like where else are you going to get discussion about how of course information is not just the physical stuff#it’s also dependent on how it’s interpreted#ie the interpretation function#or perhaps the set of all possible interpretation functions#and a discussion on both distilling books into first order logic (which we decided didn’t make sense to be possible)#and also how actually this is just Gödel’s incompleteness theorem#genuinely I love being a mathematician#these people are all so nerdy#it’s wonderful#they’re all brilliant people#and yet we would not fit in in the same way amongst a large swathe of people 😂
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sorry for randomly talking about monster high characters as if my sonic followers know who these people are. Anyway. im not actively opposed to toralei and clawdeen dating in the comics its really cool to see clawdeen get a girlfriend in official media after her being a lesbian was a popular headcanon for so long . and also toralei and clawdeen are 2 of my favorite characters so getting content focused on both of them at once is a win. but i AM kind of disappointed/confused that the new comics seemingly just have them dating from the start without showing how they got there? if it was a random side character that clawdeen was already shown to be friends with i wouldnt really question it but everyone kinda couldnt stand toralei back in the original g1 media so . what happened here
#unless this takes place in an entirely new continuity where only Some of the events of original g1 happened i dont even know man#i think the free comic book day comic said the new comics take place after a book thats not out yet though#but. again it literally isnt out yet. so why would you release the comics first if they take place after.#tbh i dont think they ever think logically about what order to release monster high media in they just throw shit out there#ANYWAY WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT WAS. maybe that book will show how toralei and clawdeen got together. idk#anyway not related to toradeen but i noticed howleen showed up in the background of one of the panels in the preview#and shes back in her original design instead of her pink hair design right after i complained about the redesign a couple weeks ago. WIN !
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just finished the original devilman manga. wuh!!
#genuinely one of the most batshit narrative structures i can think of#major major spoilers ahead im serious#monster of the week for like 2.9 volumes and then HARD pivot to literal actual armageddon#tbf my exposure is limited to a couple of crybaby watchthrough and the funny ova. yk the one#but only the first one 💀 idk why i didnt watch the second#the characterization differences between this and crybaby are really stark and thats been one of the things absently poking my brain#like really really stark#anyway what a time. im sure its depiction of humanity's self destruction is no longer relevant :)#and the ending always gets me but that final panel is SO FUCKING GOOD#raagghhhh#RAAAAAAAAA#i love the monster designs tbh. he got gnarly witg it in a really distinctive way#admittedly my experience w 70s (and prior) manga is super limited but at the very least the art feels unique to ME#and while my impression of the devilman manga was largely informed by yhat one post about everybody's expressions being wildly off#from their emotions but that's literally just a problem with ryo which means that shit's a character choice. which i love#how could i hate him just look. swagless#the scanlation i was reading did Not do the satan in love with akira reveal justice btw#it's like you ruined everything by fallin in love w akira and satan's like cam you blame me? im a hemaphrodite GIRL YOU CAN'T SAY THAT AND#ALSO WHAT???? WHAT???????#intersex people are famously prone to falling in love with akira fudo alias devilman. i guess??#i keep trying to figure out the logic but it's all bad. oh also ryo's logic in the beginning is kind of circular and dumb#it happened a couple more times but the guy was just raving. just saying shit. that he kind of made real ehich is extremely funny btw#omg manifesting!!!#ALSO I DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS SO MUCH DEVILMAN CONTENT????#i looked at the wiki trying to figure out the series order and like#in 1972 go started devilman and also in 1972 there was an anime adaptation and TWO SEPARATE MANGA ADAPTATIONS of the anime#the people were fucking insatiably lusting after devilman#dvilman lady and violence jack are extremely funny names to me btw#like 16 entries in looking at violence jack: evil town was just too much to me jfhsjsksh. violence georg#ANYWAY. good shit. poor akira as always. poor satan. they reinvented doomed yaoi or whatevr. poor boyos. etc
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Hi!
I just read archivist wasp and loved it! but apparently there are a bunch of other books in the same universe and I was wondering what reading order you'd recommend :)
Also I love your blog and art!
-E
very comedic timing, I literally just started a reread yesterday lmao. Also, thank you!
OK so the main things are three books + a novella + a vaguely connected middle grade, and some extra stuff online (which I'll get to after these). Here’s publishing order for the books, which is a good reading order:
Archivist Wasp
Latchkey - book 2 in the (unfinished) wasp trilogy, following her & the Upstarts & our ghosts (and more about their backstory)
Firebreak is a standalone narratively, but has some significant connections. It’s set in a dystopian city before the apocalypse that happened long before Wasp’s time.
Jillian Vs Parasite Planet is a middle grade space adventure set before Firebreak (the closest to recognisably our present), and is the least connected to everything else (tonally and literally)- but it has a character/piece of technology that is significant in:
Flight & Anchor, a novella prequel to Firebreak (you would understand this if you read it before JvPP & maybe F, but would miss small details/references)
I would consider Archivist Wasp > Latchkey > Firebreak, or Archivist Wasp > Firebreak > Latchkey, then everything else more or less in whichever order you want?
I haven't tried reading Firebreak inbetween (until right now - I was just gonna read AW&L but decided to slip it in there too after I saw this ask lol, just started Firebreak) so I can't vouch for whether it'd be more rewarding to read F or L first, but I like the idea of that. If Firebreak is more accessible to you (likely, as it's better distributed) then I think go for it.
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The short fiction which is all online, mostly came out just before or after Firebreak, and will make sense if you’ve read at least Archivist Wasp & Firebreak!
Pathfinding - short story about our supersoldiers (free)
Last Chance - set in a different town a little before Archivist Wasp, following a side character in AW/L (free)
Archivist Wasp Myths: Ember Girl at the Crossroads , The Story of the Harvesting-Knife and How It Came to Us Out of the Before-Time Into Now, Catchkeep's Favourite Children, Carrion Boy and the Crow, The Story of Why Catchkeep and the Chooser Hate Each Other In the First Place, Ember Girl & Carrion Boy Fight the Metal Men - essentially the full versions of some of the mythological stories in Archivist Wasp. You’d get the most out of these reading them after the main 3 books. (all on patreon)
FAQ - this is like. a separate short story that you could argue is set in the Firebreak era lol (patreon)
Catchkeep - this is the draft version of the third book in the Archivist Wasp trilogy, currently being posted on patreon, though it’s only a few chapters in and it’s been radio silence for a while. (When (🤞) this is finished I guess I’d say you could choose to read the trilogy first then everything else)
and also:
Archivist Wasp deleted scenes and commentary (patreon)
Latchkey deleted scenes and commentary (patreon)
unpublished short story that inspired AW (patreon)
This post outlining connections between the first 4 books and some of the short stories (free)
the patreon is just $1 for access to everything! There's a couple other unrelated stories there too. Hope this makes sense!!!
#archivist wasp#nicole kornher-stace#firebreak#catchkeep#etc etc etc#the only other 'logical' order I guess would be chronological? like Jillian > F&A > Pathfinding > Firebreak > Myths > Last Chance > AW/L?#(but of course archivist wasp/latchkey deal so much in flashbacks that that falls apart a little. unless you want to. read the flashbacks i#order too LMAO)#I think chronologically would be a good idea for a reread but not first time lol
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