#godzilla theory

[mikesterreal]

A Godzilla thought just came to me and I can’t stop thinking about it

Monsterverse Godzilla is referred to as “the monster who ate a star.” People have taken this as foreshadowing MV Godzilla fighting Space Godzilla

HOWEVER, MV Godzilla has been evolving throughout the films to fight increasingly stronger opponents.

What if MV GODZILLA HIMSELF EVOLVED *INTO* SPACE GODZILLA TO FIGHT DESTOROYAH?

AM I CRAZY? AM I CRINGE? I DONT KNOW BUT I LOVE THIS IDEA

[spectralpixelsredone]

Hedorah Theory Analysis: Comparing The Greylock Tapes and Hedorah from Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Introduction

The "Hedorah Theory" proposes that the thoughtforms and supernatural phenomena in The Greylock Tapes serve as an analog to Hedorah, the pollution-born kaiju from Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971). Both narratives explore humanity’s role in creating monstrous entities through reckless actions—pollution in Hedorah’s case and unethical experimentation with consciousness in The Greylock Tapes. This analysis examines the thematic parallels, including body horror, human corruption, and apocalyptic stakes, while also addressing key differences and the implications of this comparison.

Thematic Parallels

1. Humanity as the Catalyst for Monstrosity

Hedorah: Hedorah is a direct product of human pollution, specifically industrial sludge and toxic waste, embodying humanity’s environmental negligence. The creature’s existence is a consequence of mankind’s disregard for the planet, with its growth fueled by smog, oil, and chemical waste. The film’s Green Aesop underscores that continued pollution could resurrect Hedorah, as highlighted in the ending’s warning: “The End... Or Is It?”

The Greylock Tapes: The thoughtforms are created through Unit 13 and SimioDyn’s experiments with tulpas, manifestations of human consciousness and desire. These experiments, driven by ambition and hubris (e.g., Dr. Bernard Hayes’ desire to “look God in the eye as an equal”), unleash malevolent entities that corrupt and destroy. Like Hedorah, the thoughtforms are a byproduct of human recklessness, specifically the manipulation of metaphysical forces rather than physical pollution.

Comparison: Both entities reflect humanity’s capacity to create its own downfall through unchecked actions. Hedorah’s physical pollution parallels the metaphysical “pollution” of consciousness in The Greylock Tapes, where tampering with the human mind and soul spawns abominations. The thoughtforms’ ability to twist humans into monstrous forms (e.g., the malformed miners) mirrors Hedorah’s transformation of environments into toxic wastelands.

2. Body Horror as a Central Element

Hedorah: Hedorah inflicts gruesome body horror through its corrosive bodily fluids, which strip flesh to the bone (e.g., Godzilla’s hand and eye injuries). Its amorphous, sludge-like form and ability to detach and weaponize parts of itself amplify its grotesque nature. Victims are reduced to skeletons, and even Godzilla suffers severe physical trauma, such as losing an eye and having his hand burned to the bone.

The Greylock Tapes: Body horror is a hallmark of the series, with thoughtforms and the influence of Mount Greylock causing horrific transformations. Examples include the miners’ “skinless faces” and “teeth growing where they shouldn’t,” Don Wright’s torn-off jaw, and Charlotte Melgren’s fusion with skinless dogs in Waking Your Subconscious. The thoughtforms themselves, such as the emaciated White Masked Thoughtform and the skeletal figure in the kennel, embody distorted humanoid forms with exaggerated, nightmarish features.

Comparison: Both narratives use body horror to evoke visceral fear, emphasizing the violation of the human form. Hedorah’s chemical dissolution of flesh parallels the thoughtforms’ supernatural mutations, such as Charlotte’s grotesque merging with her dogs or the miners’ inhuman transformations. The horror in both cases stems from the unnatural alteration of biology, whether through toxic sludge or metaphysical corruption.

3. Apocalyptic Stakes and Existential Dread

Hedorah: The film depicts a Class 0 apocalypse, with Hedorah’s sulfuric acid clouds choking Japanese cities and causing over 16,000 deaths, with casualties expected to exceed 30,000. The monster’s near-invincibility and potential to return via pollution create a sense of existential dread, reinforced by Godzilla’s Death Glare at humanity, warning of future consequences if pollution persists.

The Greylock Tapes: The thoughtforms and Mount Greylock’s influence threaten a localized but escalating catastrophe. The tunnels’ Brown Note effect drives workers insane, mutates them into monsters, and spreads toxic fumes (e.g., John S. Rafferty’s corpse emitting deadly gases). The series hints at a broader conspiracy involving Unit 13 and SimioDyn, with potential global implications (e.g., the National Access Initiative’s surveillance and thoughtform experiments). The ambiguous fate of characters like Tiffany Crisaldi and her unborn child adds to the existential unease, suggesting deeper, unknowable forces at play.

Comparison: Both stories present humanity teetering on the edge of self-inflicted destruction. Hedorah’s apocalyptic potential is tied to environmental collapse, while The Greylock Tapes explores a metaphysical apocalypse driven by tampering with consciousness and forbidden knowledge. The preacher’s warning in to the mountain about inviting the devil into one’s soul parallels Godzilla’s glare, both serving as admonitions against humanity’s hubris.

4. Alien and Ancient Origins

Hedorah: The monster’s origins are ambiguous, described as either an ancient terrestrial entity or an alien that landed on Earth, possibly via a meteor. Its extraterrestrial mineral composition (Hedrium) and ability to thrive in polluted environments suggest an otherworldly resilience.

The Greylock Tapes: Mount Greylock’s tunnels contain artifacts from ancient civilizations (e.g., Greek and Egyptian) and are implied to house a malevolent force that may have arrived from outer space, as suggested in Came from the Sky. The thoughtforms, while created by human consciousness, may be influenced by this ancient or extraterrestrial entity, which warps the environment and its inhabitants.

Comparison: Both narratives incorporate ambiguity about their antagonists’ origins, blending terrestrial and cosmic elements. Hedorah’s alien nature parallels the potential extraterrestrial influence in The Greylock Tapes, and both entities exploit human actions (pollution or experimentation) to manifest their destructive power.

5. Psychedelic and Disorienting Aesthetics

Hedorah: The film’s “Disney Acid Sequence” moments, such as animated segments of Hedorah’s growth and Yukio’s fish-head hallucination, create a surreal, disorienting atmosphere. These sequences, combined with Hedorah’s grotesque transformations and the film’s abrupt mood shifts (e.g., Godzilla’s flight with upbeat music), contribute to its “acid trip” reputation.

The Greylock Tapes: The series employs Lynchian, hallucinogenic visuals, particularly in Waking Your Subconscious, with its red-tinted induction, distorted faces, and a shadowy figure with glowing eyes consuming the screen. The Activation sequence’s nightmarish animations and glitched audio further amplify the disorienting horror, mirroring Hedorah’s psychedelic elements.

Comparison: Both works use surreal, disorienting aesthetics to unsettle the audience, reflecting the chaotic influence of their respective monsters. The thoughtforms’ ability to distort reality (e.g., making doors disappear or causing visual glitches) parallels Hedorah’s ability to warp environments with toxic sludge and gas, creating a sense of unreality in both narratives.

Key Differences

1. Nature of the Threat

Hedorah: Hedorah is a physical, singular entity—a kaiju with a clear, albeit amorphous, form. Its threat is environmental, tied to pollution and chemical destruction, and its weakness (dehydration via electrodes) is tangible and scientific.

The Greylock Tapes: The thoughtforms are metaphysical, born from human consciousness, and lack a singular form, appearing as humanoid abominations, animals, or abstract entities. Their threat is psychological and supernatural, with no clear weakness identified (unlike Hedorah’s dehydration). The tunnels of Mount Greylock add an eldritch, location-based horror absent in Hedorah’s narrative.

2. Human Agency and Resistance

Hedorah: Despite the incompetence of many adults, the military’s giant electrodes and Godzilla’s intervention ultimately defeat Hedorah, albeit with significant effort. The film offers a glimmer of hope through collective action and Godzilla’s brute force.

The Greylock Tapes: Human resistance is largely futile. Characters like Arnold Rivers and Charlotte Melgren succumb to the thoughtforms, and even investigators like Jim Melgren are taunted by their powerlessness. The conspiracy involving Unit 13 and SimioDyn suggests systemic corruption, with no clear path to defeating the thoughtforms.

3. Tone and Genre

Hedorah: The film balances horror with campy elements typical of the Showa-era Godzilla series, such as Godzilla’s flight and upbeat music during intense scenes. Its environmental message is clear but delivered with a mix of sincerity and absurdity.

The Greylock Tapes: The series is unrelentingly grim, with a focus on psychological and cosmic horror. Its analog horror format, using VHS tapes and security footage, creates a grounded, intimate terror that contrasts with Hedorah’s larger-than-life kaiju spectacle.

Implications of the Hedorah Theory

The Hedorah Theory effectively highlights how The Greylock Tapes adapts kaiju-like horror into an analog horror framework. The thoughtforms, like Hedorah, are manifestations of human folly—pollution in one case, unethical experimentation in the other. Both narratives use body horror to underscore the consequences of these actions, transforming victims into grotesque parodies of life. The theory also draws attention to the shared sense of existential dread: just as Hedorah could return with continued pollution, the thoughtforms’ persistence is tied to ongoing human hubris, as seen in Unit 13’s experiments and the unresolved mysteries of Mount Greylock.

However, the theory’s strength lies in its metaphorical rather than literal comparison. Hedorah’s physicality and eventual defeat contrast with the thoughtforms’ intangible, metaphysical nature and apparent invincibility. The Greylock series leans into cosmic horror, suggesting that the thoughtforms may be tied to an incomprehensible force beyond human control, whereas Hedorah’s threat, while severe, is ultimately surmountable. The theory also raises intriguing questions about the thoughtforms’ potential weaknesses—could they, like Hedorah, have an Achilles’ heel (e.g., disrupting the consciousness that sustains them)? The series’ lack of resolution leaves this open to speculation.

Conclusion

The Hedorah Theory compellingly frames The Greylock Tapes as a modern, analog horror reinterpretation of Godzilla vs. Hedorah’s themes of human-driven monstrosity, body horror, and apocalyptic consequences. The thoughtforms’ metaphysical origins and the series’ grim tone distinguish it from Hedorah’s physical, kaiju-driven narrative, but the parallels in their creation through human corruption and their grotesque impact on the world make the comparison apt. The theory underscores the timeless horror of humanity birthing its own monsters, whether through polluting the Earth or tampering with the mind and soul.

[rtdldx]

[fhteehj]

okay, I am so excited…

I replayed the roar at the end like five times, and I swear it doesn’t seem quite like our usual Godzilla roar… and the name “Supernova” sounds suspiciously space-like…

also, I took screenshots of the actual merch the Monsterverse monsters have in the trailer (and the hotline is so freaking cool, what a neat little detail)

edit: guys the number is real. The NUMBER IS REAL-

[atomic-crusader]

"That monster will never forgive us."

That line, along with the tone of the trailer and bits of his design make me think that Yamazaki is going to play up the tragic nature of Godzilla a bit.

Just look at him

He's pissed. You can tell because his are are more expressive and attentive. He's not just an animal like Shin was, and while we are probably still more like ants to him, we are ants he notices.

It's like he is lashing out for the pain humanity gave him. Physically and (just conjecture on my part) emotionally.

Maybe Godzilla lost his family to the nuclear test, and unfortunately, Japan just happened to be the closest thing near by that he could attribute to the massacre. Some of the teasers even seem to hint that Godzilla is actively going after ships on his way to Japan.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong but I think it would just be interesting narratively if this was the case. The monster attacking has suffered a similar tragedy to that of the people of Japan. I just think it would be a nice change of pace for Toho to give him some emotion again.

[jwcc-confessions]

Fun fact. Back when CC was still going, I saw Darren Barnet in Never Have I Ever and thought he sounded a lot like Kenji, despite Kenji being voiced by Ryan Potter back then

And I'm only just finding out that Darren Barnet NOW voices Kenji in CT

It was like a full circle moment. Perfect casting 10/10

[irregularityregularity]

monsterverse theory: origin of titans(and what sets them apart from superspecies)

part 1:

the monsterverse titans always seemed weird to me. the monsterverse tries to fit them in a realistic evolutionary context, yet nothing about them fits modern taxonomy

you’ve got gojiras, reptiles with fish characteristics, even though amphibians diverged from fish and devolved gills long before reptiles ever evolved

you’ve got behemoths, sloths with elephant tusks, although sloths and elephants aren’t closely related at all

you’ve got scyllas, cephalopods with crustacean characteristics, even though those organisms are nowhere near related enough to share characteristics

and then GxK rolls around. there’s nothing interesting about it by itself. what’s interesting is in the novelisation

listen here: the novelisation suggests that godzilla absorbed some of tiamat’s dna while evolving.

godzilla absorbed dna

nobody’s noticed this which really surprises me. i don’t think anyone here understands the sheer importance of this statement. it explains LITERALLY EVERYTHING about the titans

here’s where the theory gets juicy: this statement on its own is alright, but now let’s make an assumption. every titan can absorb dna

this explains it. notice how every single titan is a chimera of sorts. godzilla is a chimera of lizards and fish, scylla is a chimera of cephalopods and crustaceans, etc

this explains how they are chimeras. the titans are able to absorb dna from other organisms and assimilate it into their physical characteristics, evidenced by godzilla’s evolution. it’s how they evolved. it allows them to have such whacky compositions

to further support this, look at how many mammalian titans there are so far: only behemoth and the kongs

this makes sense, because mammals didn’t diversify until the cenozoic, there was less dna to absorb, less characteristics to assimilate, it explains why there are so few, they’ve only begun to emerge

whereas the more ancient clades like the reptiles, cephalopods, have far more titans resembling them, because they’ve existed for so long, they’ve had more time to collect characteristics over the centuries

hell even the plants have their own titan, amhuluk

this also explains their powers(albeit to a poor degree). their ability to absorb dna would have sped up their evolution, forcing millions of years of evolution into a human lifespan. if you have that many evolutions happening, it’d be bound to happen eventually that some titans would evolve the ability to feed on radiation or emit it, evolve powers like atomic breath or ice breath

part 1 end

[kingofrobloxnoobs]

The Zilla Six

Darius Bowman

1/6

[t-boycyclops]

The inevitable meeting between The X-Men and the Exceptional X-Men.

[iamthekaijuking]

Rodan for @dappercritter’s Godzilla Chaos Theory fic.

The design process for Rodan took less time than Godzilla did, although it took a few tries to settle on a design for the central crest males have. Dapper wanted a design that vaguely called to mind the tengu of Japanese myth. Females are also referred to as Radons of course.

You can really see the monster hunter influence.

Some neat facts are that the leading edge of the wings have tubercles, which increases lift and decreases drag. Rodans also have an internal combustion system that combusts alcohol produced by symbiotic microbes, and the resulting hot air is vented out of chest and wing vents, giving extra speed and lift. They essentially hunt like rocket propelled peregrine falcons, and even have malar stripes.

Rodans also frequently clash with Gojiras and Gigamoths, which has resulted in the two species frequently nesting together to better protect young and resources.

The Godzilla individual the story revolves around is called the Hunter King, while the main Rodan of the story and his rival is a male called Sundowner.

[dappercritter]

(art by @liviingmemory and a huge thanks to them for it!)

TOMOKO SERIZAWA

Monarch's chief kaiju behaviorist, Tomoko is an emotionally-withdrawn pessimist who views the monsters with equal parts sympathy and grave reverence. She hides many secrets, including a uncanny ability to mentally commune with the strange beasts...

As the descendant of the first man to slay one of Godzilla's kind, and daughter of the director of Monarch's Japanese branch, Tomoko has lived her whole life under great expectations. She takes this in stride, merely viewing her duties as an obligation to her family and their work, burying her feelings beneath a stark professional persona. In truth, she believes we are an inherently selfishness and destructive race that beyond saving, resenting the authorities that allow the kaiju crisis to worsen.

Tomoko keeps to herself for many reasons. Chief among them, her belief in occult science--a controversial idea in her field, ingrained by her late father, [REDACTED]. She works tirelessly, studying his notebook to pick-up where he left off. Her ultimate goal: to find a final solution to the kaiju crisis.

...even if it means harnessing the wrath of Godzilla.

[dust-corner]

Godzilla X Kong fan theory explanation as to why Suko is bigger than 1973 Kong (besides it just being a plothole the writers didn't think of or anticipate)

[ganondoodle]

you know, a plothole (kinda, its one to me) i havent even talked about before is .. how is there basically no sonau tech in the past, or isnt shown nor used; the only thing i remember is that weird half assed way to try and make us care about the apparent time zelda had spent there and tell us in a tiny text you have to find scattered above the sky that she "tamed a construct beast" which .... could be anything bc its so vague and non-interesting and .. maybe one or two non-combat constructs in the background in a few of the cutscenes

but given how many constructs there are alive in totks present, and more are broken down that were probably working back in the past, did they even use anything of it against ganondorf? like, i know its called a war but we only see ganondorf charging on that badass horse we never see again and that bit lasts like .. 5 seconds? and he just ... somehow ends up in that cave so far below the earth with the other sages? HOW did he even get there

the constructs you find in the game can be pretty tanky and packing quite a punch, theres auto-targeting mini tanks, lasers and fire/electric/ice throwers, bombs and otherwise explosives, couldnt they have easily fought against some bokblins even if they were miasmafied

or am i supposed to believe ganondorf became THAT strong just through that little magic pebble (isnt that a little insulting too?), while all the other stone having people are so much more inferior AND have gans bossfight not be that hard is kinda ... weird? i know link is special an all, but he doesnt have a stone and the sages dont really add to his powerlevel, the msot they do is distract gans little clones for a bit

doesnt that, and how irrelevant the whole sonau tech actually is to the plot, feel even more like its a thing put in there just to showcase that they could do it (like ... a tech demo) and like its an unfitting sandbox element just for some very dedicated players to build entire war maschines for viral videos out of but the vast majority will not have that kind of patience nor fun with that (i for one do not care to laser explode or otherwise terrorize little enemy camps with otherwise overly ridiculous weapons bc its not fun and really not worth the effort to me)

[fhteehj]

Okay so I was re-watching part 43 and I just had the realization that technically speaking, when Anguirus called at the beginning of the episode, Triangle DEFINITELY should have been able to recognize it, as his friend. This leads to two (technically three) theories about that.

Triangle’s memory still isn’t clear enough to recognize his own friend’s voice, which is honestly really sad. This one is the most likely, ‘cause he showed no trace of familiarity and immediately assumed it was Rodan.

Triangle totally recognized his voice right away (which he showed no hint of, so this one is less likely) so he either:

A. Let Ghidorah and Monkey go after them because it didn’t even cross his mind that Russell would hate them both as a rival to Goji (out of solidarity) and an enemy, respectively.

B. Let them go after him fully knowing this because he thought it would be funny

[godrizza]

Oldies are still goodies, ok

[adm-starblitzsteel-4305]

Mothra: YOU KISSED MY MOM?!

Kong: YOU KISSED HER MOM?!

Shimo: YOU KISSED MY OLD FRIEND?!

Suko: YOU KISSED YOUR MOTHER-IN-LAW?!

Godzilla: ...

Godzilla: Look I was blind, OKAY?! I THOUGHT IT WAS YOU, MOTHRA!!! I SWEAR I DID NOT MEANT TO KISS YOUR MOM!!!

Mothra Prime: ...