#grandson of the fsm

[mauithemanokit]

HOLYSHITGUYSIGOTHIM!!!!!!!!!!

[writer-room]

I've decided the only reason Lloyd, known descendant of dragons, didn't tell this to Egalt, who refuses to train non-dragons, is for the same reason he never mentioned he's the First Spinjitsu Master's grandson. It just never came up. Nobody asked him directly about it. And besides, he's only like, one-fourth dragon, so does it really count? He doesn't look like a dragon, and he has never in his life considered himself a dragon. Mentioning his ancestry to Egalt probably would've just made him look like some hotshot, or make him more annoyed. There's no need to bring up such a silly little fact. He's sure it won't be important later.

[nyaskitten]

im sorry but nyas bowlcut is infinitely better than the spinjitsu families bowlcut game ...

[azsunaa]

lloyd is fun to draw since u can just drop him into a blender and something fun will come out

[saline-coelacanth]

I'm imagining this:

Oliver screaming at the sky: hey! I'm friends with your grandson!!.....eat it!!

FSM: ....... okay?

Lmao he would definitely do that!

Oliver may be a good guy now, but I feel like he's always gonna have that rivalry/spiteful opinion towards the FSM

[i-m-art-ix]

People, people, I have an idea, because in Ninjago the main God that people believe in is the FSM and attention:

Lloyd meets an Atheist.

🤭

This might be interesting, just imagine it

Atheist: but what evidence do we have that God exists, we have seen him, no

Lloyd who is God's grandson, a hybrid and accidentally met him because he died a little:... I see

Ninja:*trying to hold back laughter*

Well, interesting, interesting

[pillowmints4lloyd]

I call this ship Toffeerose!

The timeline for this ship is just after the merge. Lloyd, Brad and Akita all end up running into each other. They all decide to stick together.

The name Toffeerose stems from the mix of Lloyd and Akita's colors. Green and Red(also the name Lloyd gave Akita when she was a wolf) make brown. Relating it to Brad, since he plants flowers, I found out there's a rose that's brown called Toffee Rose. Hence, Toffeerose!

(Edit, I JUST FOUND OUT ITS CALLED WILDERNESS SHIPPING TOO :0)

They're all equally romantically involved. Akita and Brad are like: Huh, you like Lloyd too? I dont like you-oh wait, you're kinda cute.

I came up with this after combining my favorite Lloyd ships. Lloyd deserves double the love :D

Lloyd: Part Oni-dragon, grandson of the FSM

Akita: Formling that's able to shape-shift into a wolf.

Brad: ...Plants flowers.

[hawkflame999]

I NEED TO ASK THIS QUESTION

Are EM's even human? FSM was the first EM in existence. He did not have a drop of human blood.

His sons, Wu and Garmadon are half human. They are EM's as well.

Lloyd, his grandson is the freaking Green Ninja, the EM of Energy, and he is part Oni, part Dragon, and part human.

So we know that those four aren't human.

The other EM's.

What abut them.

ARE THEY YŌKAI, HUMAN,

OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN.

I'VE BEEN WONDERING THIS FOR AGES.

[destinysbounty]

pls explain the stupid powers thing where they came from lloyd but suddenly now theyre genetic out of nowhere bc the former is the stupider of the 2.

Oh my god Raine I am so sorry this has been sitting in my inbox for like 50 years, I completely forgot about this ask. If it's any consolation, I made diagrams!

So the bottom line is, the elemental powers ARE heritable. And although the Lloyd thing makes things complicated, it doesn't change that.

First, let's talk about Golden Power. As I understand it, Golden Power is a godlike power first wielded by the FSM and used to create Ninjago. Again, correct me if I'm mistaken, but my understanding of it is that it's essentially an amalgamation of the four Elements of Creation.

Despite being extensions of Golden Power, these four elements still operate much like normal elements - that is, under normal conditions.

See, Golden Power is also hereditary. It was passed down from the FSM into his grandson Lloyd. Kind of. Lloyd inherited an essence of his grandfather's power.

(Yes, yes, I know Energy technically classifies as an elemental essence rather than an elemental power. But even then this still tracks.)

The way I see it, Energy acts more as a foundation. A connection. Think movie rules, where "green" is the thing holding everything together. Energy is the foundation upon which the others ebb and flow, it is the thing that connects their elements together. The glue that connects the Elements of Creation and forms Golden Power.

Here's another way to think about it. Let's assume that this whole elemental network of Golden Power operates a bit like a circuit (more or less). Each of the four Elements of Creation act as a battery and Golden Power is the lightbulb, with Green Energy being the wires and circuitry connecting everything together. Like so:

When the whole circuit is complete and properly functioning, power is being diverted from the sources of power - the four elements - and transferred through the circuitry into the lightbulb. Under these conditions, the four elements would be considerably diminished on account of having their power diverted into something else, while the lightbulb would be brightly lit.

In some cases like in season 1 and most of season 2, this simply manifests as a diminished access to their own elemental power that must be supplemented with the use of their Golden Weapons (which in themselves are artifacts of Golden Power that have been attuned to particular elements). They still have some access to their power, and even more so after unlocking their True Potentials, but that access was inhibited on account of much of their power being routed into this Golden Power/Energy circuit system.

(Note that this isn't a perfect analogy - unlike batteries, elemental power is not a limited resource but is instead constantly regenerating. I think of it a bit like blood - finite in the moment, but so long as we are healthy we can consistently produce more every day. Hence why Nya was able to regain her powers without instantly being connected to the sea: in the context of this analogy, you might think of her power being drained as bloodletting. The new power she developed was new and untainted by her former connection to the sea. I know all these analogies are starting to get confusing though, so feel free to disregard this.)

Now in past generations, the Green Ninja hadn't been born yet. So the actual circuitry itself wasn't present, meaning there was nothing to connect these elements together. Nothing to spend from their elemental reserves. So while Golden Power cannot form under these conditions, the previous EMs could use the full extent of their power without issue.

But then Lloyd was born, and the ethereal threads of power tying their elements together finally entered the system - thereby diverting those four powers into a greater collective of Golden Power. Even if Lloyd hadn't unlocked his True Potential, the system itself had taken shape, waiting for him to be ready to use it.

Then in the latter half season 2, the og4 completely divested what little they had of their powers at the time. And due to the increased energy demands of Lloyd's awakened USM form/abilities, any scrap of power they may have generated thereafter would immediately be converted into Golden Power instead.

Then in season 3, they returned to the Temple of Light to reverse this transference. and this is, unfortunately, where the circuit metaphor starts to fall apart. But for the sake of argument, just let me have this.

When Lloyd did returned his friends' powers to them, he also completely dissolved his Golden Power in the process, restoring them to their pre-GP conditions but in fact to what their power levels would have been in a non-GP environment. That is, they were finally able to access the full extent of their elemental abilities because the lightbulb wasn't there to transfer their energy away. Similar to what the system looked like back before Lloyd was born. This is why they were able to actually wield their elemental powers without the use of the Golden Weapons, when in the past that had only been possible through their True Potential.

(Yes, I know this isn't really how circuits work. I took an electrical engineering class in high school, and you have no idea how much the inaccuracies pain me. I mean I did warn you the analogy would fall apart. But I've put too much work into these diagrams to turn back now.)

Now, as for why their powers didn't work in season 5...that's a whole other headache. My best guess is that Morro attempted to reset the system to its prior GP state, but since he didn't do it properly through the Temple of Light everything just kinda got a little fucky for everyone instead.

The TLDR is that the og4's elemental powers don't come from Lloyd, per se, but he does sort of act as a conduit (ha) for their powers. And his capacity as that conduit can at times inhibit or enhance their own indvidual elemental potentiality.

...does this make sense, like at all? I feel like I just did a bunch of incomprehensible rambling that no one else would be able to understand. Listen, Ninjago's magic system is agonizingly convoluted enough as it is. I'm just doing my best 😭😭😭

[riptide0602]

Theory about Lilly

In MotM there is a statue of Lilly present in Heart of the Mountain.Now let's take a closer look at it:

Markings.Does it remind you of anything?Here's a clue:who else was close to their elements and has/had markings on their face(and body)?

These two:

There are two explanations for the markings on her statue:

1.Artistic choice of munce and geckles that built it,maybe the face markings are meant to be hair strands and other markings are details like armor and clothing.

2.Lilly almost merged with the earth and markings on the statue are referencing that.

First of all,her statue does not resemble others in the temple:

Their markings are armor/clothing details and are identical,but unlike Lilly's.Not to mention that spinjitsu burst and merging look similar:

Doesn't that look like a spinjitsu?

So,I think Lilly almost merged with the earth. The reason she didn't lose herself?My options are:

1.Gleck,who was her friend,saw that something was wrong and interfered before the transformation was complete,likely using Lilly's medallion to remind her of her family.She snapped out of it and later left the medallion with Gleck as a thank you gift.

2.She wasn't supposed to/can't merge with the earth.This comes from my hc that only those with direct ties to the source of power(water and wind elementals&technically Lloyd but only bc he's just the first to have energy and grandson of FSM) and tame elements have changed hosts many times over the course of history(The hc is in my Wojira lore theory post).Therefore,her mortal body couldn't handle all that power and the connection was cut off.

3.Both of the previous options combined in some way.

Now,as to how it might have affected her.She died from an illness right?The one we never learned anything about.Don't you find it strange that a young,powerful and perfectly healthy elemental master(who are seemingly stronger than a regular human in many ways as we've seen ninja recover from things that would leave a normal person seriously injured if not dead( Cole even had a car drop on him in s5, recovered from concussion in Crystallized and his fall in Oni trilogy)) suddenly fell sick?(that is not to say that I think em can't get sick,they are still only human after all)And doesn't a forcefully and/or abruptly cut off connection between an elemental and their element sound like something that might have negative effects on one's health?

(There are many reasons why Cole and Nya didn't have similar experiences.Earth may not have called to Cole as strongly due to being filled with vengestone/Cole was too busy fighting to listen to it's call/he ignored it/whatever you think.Nya didn't have health problems bc she didn't have the 'can't merge with element' limitation,was already merged and Aspheera draining her powers cut off the link enough for her body to have time to adjust before restoring that elemental connection.)

[phosphorus-12]

ok i've been inspired so heres an au where the fsm is present

he decides to come back to ninjago and sees all the shit is messed up

his kid is under stress, his other kid is in the underworld

garmadon's wife dipped for some reason and now their grandson is homeless

the new elemental masters don't even have their elements yet

his other grandson is dead(???!!!!)

ninjago is doing fine so he decides to fix his family

he yoinks Garm back and gets him and Wu to make up a bit

he tries something new he heard about and is letting Garm be an anti-hero now

which keeps garm from being too evil but helps satisfy his need for revenge

now that's taken care of, he ressurects Morro and sends him and Wu to something Mystake suggested (their-aepy? he doesn't know what it is)

now onto smaller grandchild

he goes and finds him, and brings him back to the monestary where he tells Wu, "hey this is ur nephew and he's going to be the green ninja, key word GOING because you sure as me ain't gonna start him now lol"

he finds that nobody but Jay has present parents so he adopts the rest of them as his grandchildren, jay gets a spot too bc fsm loves the guy

now they all live 2000's family sitcom style

his dragon/oni manerisms start rubbing off on them, especially garm and wu who have worked har to get rid of a bunch, and they just give up now

so now cuddle piles all the time and climbing on fsm, garm, and wu's natural forms has become commonplace

lloyd is small enough to do it all the time

they all fight bad guys together

HAPPINESS AND JOY FOREVER

[ninjago-text-adventures]

Lloyd: I got banned from a FSM church.

Lloyd: Apparently, even if I'm the grandson of God-

Lloyd: I can't waltz in there and call my own grampa a "conniving bitch" without everyone telling me not to disrespect him.

Lloyd: And then the old ladies tossed me out when I told them he wasn't going to come back to life and screw them.

Lloyd: I plan to do this stunt until I am banned in every major and minor FSM church in Ninjago.

Wu: Let me get this straight-

Lloyd: I'm not straight, but continue.

Wu: You went to one of my father's temples of worship, disrespected him, threw verbal nonsense at the elderly, got kicked out, and banned-

Lloyd: I know, Uncle-

Wu: Without me?

Lloyd:

Lloyd: a-

[sillylloyd]

what if lloyd was like FSM's reincarnation?? would explain how lloyd met him multiple times💥

or what if he was supposed to take his place once strong enough? AND AND i saw in a fic i think something about little lloyd drawing the merge years ago and now happening so-

what if since he's literally his grandson and have BOTH oni and dragon heritage, had the golden power (creation) and destruction from his oni side AND energy what ever he draws and writes on a scroll happens???

wu and garmadon can't do that since FSM was BOTH oni and dragon.

ALSO what if lloyd just reset the realms/universe??(from a fic) or create a new one OR destroys one???

in conclusion lloyd be ascending god hood

[nyaskitten]

Crazy that not telling other's things is just an FSM family trait. FSM never told his sons about the giant fucking temple he made when he knew he was gonna die soon, which held the most powerful objects ever, and he also didn't tell them his final resting place, he just left hints and clue about them... then cut to Wu who mostly doesn't tell shit out of trauma reasons, and Lloyd who, in episode 11, literally just went "It never came up" when Sora asked him about being the grandson of the FSM...

[stealingyourspins]

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Ninjago Mermaid AU- Lloyd.

Species: Megalodon. Chosen because he’s the FSM’s grandson and being so made me want to make him an extinct species.

He’s 1/4th Mer 3/4th human. He Barbie: A Mermaid Tale style figured out he’s part mer when turning into a 33ft tall behemoth of a shark merfolk while swimming. He’s slowly figuring out who he is and how to transition between being both a merfolk and human.

(Non transparent version under the cut)

[dark-twist-fairytales]

Okay, actually, MORE MOVIE VERSE HEADCANONS:

-Cole is the master of earth and sound. His mother was earth, and his father is sound.

^-While his father's abilities have hidden away, he can still hone in on them during high-stress/angered situations. Much more destructive with them than Cole is.

-Zane has two fathers: Dr. Julien and the previous master of ice

^-Zane remembers the previous master of ice, and still gleefully calls him 'pops', while he calls Dr. Julien 'dad', even through his passing.

-Jay is adopted, shocker, but his biological mom was the master of lightning, while his father was the master of wind.

^-He's sure that everyone can see the ghost that lingers around him, but no one can.

-Kai and Nya don't remember their parents, and barely their time in an orphanage, the only really remember their time with their uncle.

^-They do remember this really quiet kid sticking up for them in kindergarten when being bullied. Odd, wonder how he's doing now?

-Lloyd is NOT the grandson of God. Technically, the FSM is barely told in Movie-verse, treated more like a myth than an actual mighty being.