Welp, here we go again, lol. Moon (potentially) dying again.
I did see many people talking about, and has been mentioned in the MGaFS the potential of merging the two Moons. Ya know, to get the best of both worlds, I guess.
This might have a couple issues, especially given the current mental state of Newmoon and Oldmoon's general issues. I don't think combining Newmoon's apathy and lack of familial care and Oldmoon's ruthlessness and line crossing tendencies is a good idea. I mean, just imagine this ruthless, apathetic individual crossing all and every line, not even caring if their dear family members get caught in the crossfire. Awful.
And even if, let's say, that doesn't happen, who's to say this newer version, this Fullmoon, would even care about anyone? They'd have two lifetimes' worth of memories, both of which would tell them they'll go insane and die either way. And then that brings the question. Which is the better? Being insane at the beggining and then gaining some semblance of sanity, with occasional fallbacks, or being sane in the beggining only to then break down and lose it in the end and die?
We saw the first example with Oldmoon. Him being not the sanest of individuals at the start of his lifetime, lashing out at his fellow victim because he was the only one there to blame for their unfortunate situation (them sharing a body). And then later becoming better and better, until he actually cared and tried to do better by Sun, (even if he failed a lot). And we all know how that story ended. Him dead.
And we have an example to the latter with Newmoon, who started out his life sane, and even friendly, only to fall into this dark pit of apathy and selfishness, potentially because of some sort of corruption/virus (possibly shown in thumbnails). His story did not end yet, but with how things are going, he'll probably die.
As Ruin said in yesterday's MGAFS episode, are all Moons destined to go insane?
And even if not, then we still have so many moral questions about this, some of which even Monty brought up. Should the two Moons be merged together, would that be killing two people to make an entirely new one? And how would that new person react to the fact they can only exist because two people were killed for them?
Or would you only be killing one individual and fusing some of their essence into the other? One way or another, at least one person's oil would dry on your hands.
And would this person even have the memories of whom they were forged from? Would they remember dying TWICE? Would they remember being born two times before this one? Which version would they try to imitate? Or would they cycle between "I'm going to make your life a living hell!" to "Sorry if you'll be collateral!" to being gruff but caring and overly protective and unhealthily attached, to being best bro ever? Phases of the moon and all that. Would these cycles just repeat eachother randomly? What then? How could we be sure then that this person could be trusted, when they don't even care about their own loved ones at times?
We have a person who remembers dying multiple times, and being brought back the merge of two people. Eclipse questions if he could even be called Eclipse, being a copy of Solar with the memories of a dead man.
And if they don't have the memories, then wouldn't that just be another Newmoon situation? Wouldn't that just be another random guy waking up in a corpse that belongs to someone else, and be expected to take up the same name and same position as before? We can see how that went, clearly not good, even if Newmoon used to love and adore his family.
And what will this newly born person do once he watches the whole chanel? How will they go on knowing one version of them was a dick, who while loved his family, struggled to show that properly and was even downright abusive at times, while the other version of them was sweet and loving, turned insane and selfish with only one desire that hurt all those around him? Will they be afraid that if they follow either of these examples they'll die? Oldmoon died in his head after one last gesture of trying to change, while Newmoon, while not dead yet, was thrown out of the family, somewhat reasonably given recent episodes holy shit, and was hunted down at the word of his brother. These are not really things I'd want to see if I knew I had predecessors.
Would this person even attempt growing close to anyone, when all they've seen is either them being insane at the beggining, going insane and dying either way? Would there even be a point of becoming someone, when you'll inevitably die? And cause harm, again, to these people a deep part of your Frankensteined code loves and cares about deeply? Is there even a point to existing when all you've seen is examples of people with YOUR name and FACE dying and hurting others and themselves? Is there even a reason to try, when all you have are negative examples?
And if this Fullmoon doesn't happen, then what will? Will Newmoon be saved? (despite that being highly unlikely, given the whole collateral thing) Will Oldmoon be brought back? (which, while I do miss him, I love Newmoon, and he deserves the rest, especially given the world already moved on, so it'd be just a cruelty to throw him into the deep water) Will we just fucking lose Moon alltogether??? (unlikely, given it's the Sun AND Moon Show, not Sun and the Family show, but ?????)
And if Oldmoon is brought back, then what? Will Newmoon die? I don't want that. :( I love them both.
Or will they switch places, so Newmoon's the one locked in the deepest part of their mindscape, forever frozen? (until reactivated by someone going in there that is)
What now?
My friend I mentioned in my previous post, has said, and I quote "Do we always have to mourn one Moon for the sake of the other?" and by the looks of it, it seems she'll be right.
(I just want the both of them man T-T T_T)
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i think my problem with this dw season arc accusing the audience of fanbrain for theorising about ruby is that it both feels deceitful and isn't actually that compelling from a character perspective. the season goes out of its way to build up supernatural mystery around ruby and even invokes susan more heavily than ever before in a way that is deliberately trying to get the audience to make those connections. and then it turns around and says you stupid idiot why would you ever try to connect these dots i have deliberately tried to get you to connect.
building up a mystery only for the character to be ordinary is an impossible girl arc redux only this time accusing the viewer of failing to see the humanity of the companion, whereas the impossible girl arc was turning that accusation on the doctor. 7b didn't really blame the audience for viewing clara as a puzzle and in fact several times spells out the fact that clara is perfectly ordinary before the big reveal to give the audience a chance to catch on. as 7b goes on, instead of laying the mystery on thicker, the audience just gets more and more affirmations that clara is a normal human being (rings of akhaten, journey to the centre of the tardis, hide). i found this approach compelling because it was rooted in character, focusing on the doctor's disconnection from humanity/the gendered dynamic of a man treating a woman as his manic pixie mystery to pull him out of grief. s14's meta approach of accusing the viewer feels both unfair, given it has deliberately led the viewer towards theorising, and personally less compelling to me because it wasn't tied into character in any way.
the thing about rey's parentage in tlj is that the reason rian johnson chose to go for that reveal was that it was the only answer that was interesting. none of the theories - rey is a skywalker, rey is a kenobi, and even the eventually canonical rey is a palpatine - were interesting or satisfying because they brought nothing compelling to the table for the story being told. the only satisfaction to be gained from those answers was a fanbrained "omg rey is important because she's related to that guy from the other movie." on top of that, rey desperately wants her parents to have been important, to give her life and her abandonment some kind of significance. so them being ordinary provided the most compelling trajectory for her character because it was the thing she least wanted to hear. it forced her to do the most introspection and growth, as well as tying into the film's themes about the capacity of ordinary people to be special. it wasn't just a choice made to "gotcha" the viewer, it was rooted in character.
i don't think ruby's mother being ordinary accomplishes the same thing. by invoking susan, s14 is engaging with the most egregious example of the doctor's streak of abandonment, which has potential to be very compelling in relation to ruby (and now also the doctor's) own abandonment issues. theories that ruby might be susan, or be somehow related to susan, or somehow related to the doctor, weren't just fanbrained "omg she's related to that guy i know from the classic series." they were theories genuinely rooted in character and the potential to explore both the doctor and ruby's issues with abandonment. and this is something the show willingly led fans towards by invoking susan so much in the first place. so for the show to turn around and act like they were shallow out of nowhere ideas when they were not shallow and were based on potential character conflicts the show itself deliberately invoked, feels misguided.
as well as that, ruby's mother being ordinary does not require that same growth from ruby as it did for rey because it is exactly what ruby wanted to hear. she never wanted her mother to be important, she just wanted to know who her mother was and have a connection with her. so finding out she was a normal woman who still loves her and wants to be a part of her life is everything she's ever wanted. it doesn't introduce interesting conflict for her the way rey's parents being ordinary did for her, because they were written as different characters with different hangups over their abandonment.
tl;dr i don't necessarily dislike ruby's mother being ordinary as an idea but compared to the things it was inspired by - 7b and star wars - it is not nearly as compelling in terms of how it relates to the characters or themes. and the meta angle, while conceptually interesting, doesn't quite work for me because it feels a little manipulative of the audience.
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