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not even gonna tag this properly bc i don't wanna get Involved but i do have some Thoughts i need to get out into the void so here we go
(aaa quick edit: CW for mention/discussion of Boothill leaks)
#today's gone Badly and i'm upset but instead of venting abt it i'm gonna channel that energy into doing a bit of tag rambling abt Boothill#well. less abt Him and more abt uh. self-analyzing my anxiety surrounding contributing to fandoms. he's just today's catalyst#like. i know it's mostly a me thing. i'm hypersensitive to criticism and very conflict avoidant + socially anxious + perfectionistic etc.#so I'm the one that keeps myself from posting more stuff out of fear of being criticized or called-out for what i've made#bc inevitably Someone's gonna see it and think its OOC or a problematic take or they'll misread my intent. etc etc what have you#but like. that's inevitable. there's no way to communicate every single thing with all of the nuance required to avoid misunderstandings#and other times it's not a misunderstanding it's just a difference of opinions and that's Fine!! there's no accounting for personal taste#there's no accounting for several things actually. taste‚ bias‚ lore-knowledge‚ differing levels of chronic-online-ness‚ etc#so this isn't me complaining abt the state of fandom culture (although i do think. sometimes. ppl take shit a bit too seriously)#but anyways all of this is mostly just anxiety-fueled. it's not like i very often actually even receive negative feedback or anything#if anything ppl tend to tell me that i'm overthinking it and killing my own fun and worried that my stuff is more OOC than it is#which like. yeah. Yeah u right :) but that's just the way that i am! always losing the idgaf war i suppose#anyways what's Boothill got to do w this ur wondering. well. i've been thinking abt the quickly emerging concept that he's illiterate.#and it just. has me feeling a lot of ways. and watching ppl disagree over it has me feeling some Bad ways. bc it's def a loaded topic!#if you'll pardon the pun there. and i don't rlly have anything new to add other than that i'm conflicted abt it.#like yeah i saw the leaks days ago. of him mentioning 'not hitting the books' much as a child when we ask him why he sends voice messages#or voice Transcriptions ig. ykwim. and like. *braces for impact* ...i liked it? like. it doesn't feel right to call it endearing#i'm not trying to infantilize him. ok that's not the right word either but ugh. you know? what i mean?? who am i kidding even i don't know#it's not quite right to say that it feels like Representation either. but it's something close i guess#as a southern person myself who didn't receive a 'complete' education due to factors that weren't to do with my intelligence#the concept of seeing him as a capable force to be reckoned with and respected who also happens to have not received much formal education#i like that. i do. but there's so many issues w it at the same time. like. as i said‚ being southern myself has me Wary of the way Hoyo is-#writing him. as well as of the way that the fandom is taking the bits of his lore and running away w them. and i'm Very aware of how ppl-#will see a southern character and be All Too Eager to agree that they're lacking intelligence based on our Redneck™ stereotype#sigh. and before we even go too far with this. it's not even confirmed that hes completely illiterate. which is a valid criticism i've seen#there's Multiple reasons that could make him prefer voice to text. but regardless. i'm just worried that ppl will misconstrue my intentions#like. example: that edit i made the other day of him saying 'no thanks i can't read'. wasn't me playing into the stereotype of-#'haha dumb country boy can't read!' it was. in my eyes. something he'd say as a joke to make light of a potential insecurity#like. i think there's far more depth to Boothill's character if ppl could look past the surface. and i dont wanna contribute to the problem#but sometimes ppl Will have stereotypical traits and i wish the same could apply to characters as long as it's done Thoughtfully.
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i love how the fans think us criticals are utterly miserable. ever since i left the fandom after finally realizing what a pos v*v is and actually acknowledging the valid controversy and criticism about both shows and personally being appalled by H*H, i feel, i dunno, more free? i come out of the space that calls ppl like us "haters" or "antis". that's how blindly i followed v*v and her fans. looking back, that whole mess is either a cult or a level of parasocial that's not measurable by any human. i also used to follow the infamous dani*draws. to add to that, H*H and H*B used to be a special interest of mine, and while my heart still aches about this and desperately wants to go back to LITERAL blissful ignorance, i know better than that. its hard, but it's the right thing to do. anything else would be inexcusable to me, personally...
having found the h*zbin critical tags made me feel more at 'home' than the fandom ever has. i'm having a blast over here, this is surprisingly a lot of fun! i love seeing people post their own interpretations and designs, but also the criticism in itself!!
btw, i can't remember who posted it, but I've heard all the exorcists are a) women and b) named after genitalia. (it might be wrong but considering it's viv its so realistic anyways). i also dont know the exact name, but i have seen something along the lines of "lieutenant clitourios" or something like that. i wish i was kidding.
Maybe because you ARE free, for example don't you notice that once in awhile when Mega fans of Vivziflop don't like a certain scene/episode of the show all of a sudden tons of Vivshit stans take it way too far and cancel that person???
Oh and that character you are referring to is actually called lieutenant Clitorissa...and as someone who is a 'issa' that name makes me gag...
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I feel like something so many ppl just don’t get is it’s improv. I’ll see ppl be like “I hate this arc” or “this dragged on” I’m like?? If you want to watch a curated tight fantasy story with a normal beginning middle and end maybe don’t watch long form improv media? Also maybe I’m just fundamentally misunderstanding what ur post is about. I’ll constantly think and say “it’s their game” not as a “they’re above criticism” way but more in a “cmon it’s not like this is a script that’s being poured over by ten ppl sitting in a room debating whether this 30 seconds drags or not”. Like I love Play it By Ear from Dropout but I’d never hold it to the same standard as like Six the musical or whatever. Improv/normal media requires a completely different rule set for criticism imo
Hey anon,
So here's the thing - I agree with this in terms of formal, published criticism (Ebert's Law, if you will) where you are, to an extent, grading on a scale; you should be judging on what the work is trying to achieve and not some abstract ideal that applies equally to all works regardless of provenance.
However, for personal discussion (including your own personal Tumblr blog)? This is totally irrelevant. You're allowed to dislike things, whether it's a 30 minute improvised musical or whether it's the Marriage of Figaro, for any reason. It is 100% valid for someone to look at the Mona Lisa and say "eh, doesn't do it for me," and, moreover, it's just as valid for them to say "it doesn't do it for me because I don't care for representative art and prefer abstract, modern works, but Da Vinci's sfumato technique is indeed masterful" as to say "It doesn't do it for me because it's fucking weird to me that she doesn't have eyebrows." People's enjoyment of a work is not necessarily reliant on effort put in or how much the artist cares about - it should be based on how much the art appeals to them.
It's fine if people hate an arc. If they hate it so much that they aren't able to enjoy watching, then I think they should probably stop watching...but that's a choice for them to make, and as someone who loves complaining, I've talked about arcs dragging and had it interpreted by total strangers as "you clearly seem to hate this" when really it was just a case of me...not liking some aspects of a larger whole, and choosing to talk about that because I had things to say. Like, I do think the early Campaign 3 pacing was deeply frustrating, and I do think that this wouldn't be the case if it weren't improv, but there have been many improv actual plays that I felt had great pacing, and also it was still frustrating to me and I wanted to express that.
In fact, what I was getting at in my post is that if you're trying to provide a counterpoint to other people's criticism, you need to focus on the points they're making; and if you're trying to defend something in general, you need to be talking about what you find good that is specific to that thing, rather than making excuses like "the cast likes it" or "it's improv".
To give an example: I love the Aeor arc, which was, to an extent, divisive. Here's two responses I could have:
"I think the Aeor arc built up to a satisfying and emotionally charged final boss fight that was thematically resonant with the Mighty Nein as a group. I think the path there had a good balance of adventure, combat, and RP scenes, especially given its position as the final arc of the campaign and the one in which many of the character romances were realized. Eiselcross was a fun and well-crafted environment that was challenging for a party of their level, and Aeor provided new insight into the Calamity, which at the time had not been explored in depth, while also providing a lot of opportunities to tie into the arcs of the various individual characters, notably Caleb and Caduceus. I also personally am a big fan of exploring fallen technologically advanced civilizations in a fantasy setting as a trope."
2. "Well, it's the cast's table, and it's improvised."
Both are true, but the first one lets people know what I see in that arc and why I love it. The second one ends the conversation, is true of almost everything Critical Role does, probably doesn't address anyone else's complaints, and doesn't even explain why I like it. And for what it's worth I don't think meta needs to address anyone's complaints - you're allowed to look at the Aeor arc and say "cool, I think it took too long and dragged and was too stressful" and we can part ways knowing we are different people with different tastes. But if I were, hypothetically, passionately trying to defend the Aeor arc and were openly resentful towards people who disliked it, the first option is obviously superior to the second option, which makes me look like someone who cannot come up with a single specific reason why this thing I allegedly love is good, and who is whining because I lack the maturity to accept that my opinions are not universally shared by all.
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i am relating to SO much of what im reading on ur blog rn. do not get me wrong - i LOVE ttpd and love taylor. it's kind of one of those things that's like "always have, always will." im always going to be so grateful for her work and this community, and as i said - i AM loving the music rn!
BUT. she feels different, and feels so far away. i know we are not owed her time or attention, but when you've built your entire brand on fan connection and being "different" than any other celebrity in that regards, it's going to feel off and unexpected when it suddenly stops with no explanation. most of her little interaction is on tiktok, which is half the time not with actual fans, but rather anyone who uses her song in the background (which a lot of times is influencers!) ppl say "yeah but now she does so much more for us" .... yeah... so many new THINGS to buy.
i also think she's at a place where she KNOWS she is on top of the world rn (good for her!) but it has come with a complex - she knows now she doesnt NEED to be close with her fans, doesnt NEED to use her platform for good, doesnt NEED to take constructive criticism - because the gp likes her enough to where she doesn't even need a strong centralized fanbase. as of rn, no opposition can make a dent in her fame or income and she knows it. and it feels icky, and honestly makes her feel less human (which is interesting, because the ttpd is imo some of the most raw humanlike work)
the new social circle is off too. i dont hate travis, and i was happy for her, but have come to like him less and less since realizing he's a bit sleazy and is kind of only liberal for pay. he's publicly made r*pe jokes and xenophobic comments in the past couple years (NOT from 15 year old tweets! recent!) his dad is also super transphobic and mahomes brother is a charged SAer yet taylor gallavants w both of them. travis just seems like an oaf and while im glad she had something more easy and fun, it's telling that there's been a lack of backlash towards him when he's exhibited the same behavior as matty and the only things taylor could write ab him were sports and high school references. i hate to even touch on her personal life like this but god forbid this is a forever thing :/ omg this is a lot but yeah im glad we're having this convo
yup!! bestie your feelings are so valid and i feel very very similarly about everything!!
she knows she doesn’t need to appeal to a niche audience of tween girls anymore. she knows she’s beyond that. fate worked its magic and now she’s america’s it girl without any of drama of having to censor her work. and while yes i’m very proud and happy for her, you’re exactly right, she’s more than happy to continue to push things for us to buy in order to feel close to her. she’s already established a group of life long fans by those who she’s interacted with, invited to things, sent money too etc. so she really doesn’t have to do anything else besides make more music and have the world speculate about her personal life. at the end of the day she just feels sooooo disconnected to us now, compared to how we used to have it at least.
ugh i knew icky meathead was sleazy without even needing taylor to bring him into the limelight but now everyone and their mom is obsessed and up his ass too. EVEN with all those gross things about him (we all saw the recent commencement speech excuse 🤢) he’s definitely democratic for pay. i definitely don’t think he’s gonna stick around forever, either he’ll fuck up and get caught w another girl or she’ll get bored of his ass (speculating that this is a legit relationship and not PR at least lol) she’s a girl that needs a new boy every now and then i fear.
generally i’m just disappointed in her now in a lot of aspects. but completely disconnecting from the world, acting like a whole ass genocide is not actively happening, only ever promoting of talking about herself or her own work just seems so bland and selfish. she’s mentioned voting like what, twice this year? in generic ghost written sentences on an IG story?
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Confession: I think this might be last post ever on tumblr, I think I might leave tumblr and social media in general. I feel like its become way too toxic and just not worth the effort nor do I feel happy using it, its just so menatally draining. In addition Im getting a little fed up of fandoms and stan culture, it used to be fairly a fun space but now it feels like a space where hatred, racism, toxicity have kinda infiltrated. Things like movies or just enjoying actors or whatever have become less and less interesting it no longer feels like celebrating but like we are in competition, like the discourse has become lets compare and be hurtful to others and their opinions and I just think fandoms have just been too invasive, too parasocial and I dont want to be in that space anymore.
I do want to say I enjoyed your blog and love how you try to bring as much joy and positivity to this space. You are one of few bright spots and keep doing what you do and thank you for cheering me up at the times I felt a little down . Its been fun but I think its time for me to bid a permanent farewell. All the best ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Awww..... I'm so sorry Anon. 😞
I hope you haven't left Tumblr already and are going to miss my response back to you. 🥺
Oh well.... I'll respond back anyway, no matter if you ever see this post or not. 🙃
First of all, thank you so much for your confession. I really appreciate your honesty on this topic, because I really do feel like fandom/stan culture has really gotten to a point that it's become exhausting in many fandoms... even when the celebrities themselves aren't even problematic! 🤷🏾♀️
It's become toxic for sure. 😞 And I, too, don't really appreciate the constant comparisons, the putting down of other actors just to raise up your faves, the spreading of lies and falsehoods in order to make other celebrities look bad, the recurring nonstop complaints about an actor's film career even though their career is going just fine, the immediate "cancel" culture just because someone isn't perfect 100% of the time, the jealousy and downplaying of another actor's talents just because it's not your fave in the role, the annoying film twitter debates, the use of RT as the almighty "gold standard" in a filming project's validity, the over-FOCUS of film critics and their reviews of certain films instead of just watching the film yourself and forming your OWN opinions, the constant bickering among various fandoms and stan wars, the overly-anxious fans who get nervous if their fave isn't in a new casting announcement every 2 months, etc.... The list goes on and on and on....
It's just exhausting.... 😫 And I feel like I see a lot of these comments bts because ppl can literally hide behind Anon on my blog and say whatever they want. 😩
So yea girl...I totally feel you. ❤️
I'm hoping you won't stay away forever, but I totally encourage and support you in taking a break away from here (or social media in general) if that's what you need to stay healthy and emotionally and mentally upbuilt. 🥰
If you ever feel comfortable and would like to come off of Anon and chat with me privately on here, or discuss this in greater detail, feel free to reach out and DM me! You'll always have a safe space. ❤️🥰
Wishing you all the best 🙏🏾🤗
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yk what guys time to refute all of the hate all quiet has been getting bc i have nothing better to do
ok so i am having a very hard time understanding how a film score without lyrics can be offensive. does it make fun of something that requires nuance? no??? this score is not satirical in any way nor does it appropriate cultural music so where the fuck did offensive come from??? also what is so bad about the score being anachronistic? in fact i think this is one of the best aspects of it, if a film score has to be strictly within whatever period the film is set in not only does it lead to one dimensional uninnovative film scores, it just doesnt make sense in some scenarios. does a prehistoric film have to feature sticks as its only instrument?? ok even if we take all of that at their best, i feel like we're being too severe a couch critic, like cmon, they won for a reason, we don't have to be this rude about it, just say it's mid and call it a day...
yay lets generalize a very diverse fanbase bc it makes it easier to strawman and push my argument!! ok anyways i think a rlly big thing with sucessful adaptations is that ur gonna have to change some stuff. what works on paper might not necessarily work on the big screen. i get that a huge point of contention is the ending change and the cutting out of the returning home section. so about the ending first, i actually liked the changes bc while i get the poetic ending of the book, i think the movie ending does rlly well for character development and rlly goes all in to show the psychological changes paul experiences during the war. if we did keep what they were doing in the book, we might run into a lot of issues bc we're able to know what paul is feeling however that might be difficult to translate on film. also, we get interesting interpolation and final emphasis on the theme of how war is essentially just a puppet game. without the changes of the 11am armistice or the final orders from the evil general dude, we lose the new themes that the film brought in which would feel less complete than status quo. ok so the returning home argument, the novel is obviously more complex than the film but that doesn't make it better or worse. our film at hand already has a huge run time, if we tried to shoehorn in another whole theme, that might be too ambitious and we lose the focus the film has right now. i would definitely choose a world where they focus on one theme and do it really well, which is what's happening rn, over a line by line adaption that could feel messy and end up being too ambitious. again, a line by line adaptation has already been done and i wouldn't fault anyone for thinking the 1930 version is better, it just means it would be even worse and completely redundant to make another line by line adaptation rn. also again, these are completely all my opinions and its def valid to disagree on all of them but the real root of the issue i have with op's comment is how they chalk it all up to ppl not reading the books. it just comes off as rlly elitist and just not representative of what ppls actual opinions rlly are. also it's better to attack the media itself rather than ppl who enjoy the media 💀
braindead bird app time, here we have the classic case of someone thinking it's cool to shit on the film that all their twt mutuals are shitting on rn without ever having seen it. sorry if this is a bit left field but next time maybe watch the film b4 commenting on it?????????
this is honestly one of the least problematic opinions out of the all quiet haters so far but i am still responding to this bc the only category all quiet beat banshees in was original score (why is it always this) and the score doesn't have much to do with whether or not this film is a war film or if soldiers appeal to u or how many times this has been remade. and like i agree, banshees score, phenomenal, but if all quiet lost it still would go to babylon so i feel like the anger here is rlly misdirected.
all quiet haters cannot seem to comprehend that this film is not a remake holy shit. and even if it is inferior, it would only be inferior storywise bc u cannot fucking argue the point that 1930s vfx and cinematography are better than the 2022 version. and the only sweeps all quiet got were technical category sweeps so the inferior remake point is entirely irrelevant. and i am willing to bet 5 bucks this person didnt watch the movie bc then they would understand that technical aspects and story aspects are different bc what it sounds like rn is they're repeating whatever they've heard without properly applying the criticism to its accurate category.
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ok im done now very slay if you've read all of this im sleep deprived bc of babylon dickriders so ignore my gramatical mistakes ty.
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T U B R & Z :) for the Ask Question :)
hi hi hi sorry for the late reply, and thank you for the ask!!! ^o^
answered t here!
U - Three favorite characters from three different fandoms, and why they’re your favorites.
bsd: gonna shock everyone i know..... nikolai :) his vibes are just impeccable. i love his whole view of life and what he does in hopes to achieve his impossible goal. i love that he's crazy cuuhraaaayyzeeee asylum but also is he. keeping us on our toes. and most importantly he is FUN every time he's around you can't help but have a good time even tho he's like, gruesomely murdering someone (i mean for me it's also part of the fun but eh)
fire emblem: ferdinand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he is just. ough. he is so dear to me. he fills my heart with joy and warmth i can't explain it. he has such a good and lovely arc and despite suffering and losing so much he remains positive through it all and tries his best to help others. and he's also just! very fun! like with nikolai every time he's on screen is just enjoyable, usually p funny, or very touching :')
persona: akechi. he makes me insane. esp in royal he's a very well written and interesting character imo, his motivations are illogical in a logical way (as in. they're illogical but you can perfectly understand why), he is so so tragic. and once again like the last 2, he is just so so fun, esp in third sem where he lets loose and becomes more violent and vulgar and sassy :)
B - A pairing–platonic, romantic or sexual–that you initially didn’t consider, but someone changed your mind.
tbh i wasn't sold on fyolai at first (which is probably shocking to those who haven't followed me when i first got into bsd lol) but creantzy's art convinced me of it ngl :P also the anthology art bc i mean. yeah
R - Which friendship/platonic relationship is your favorite in fandom?
dazai and atsushi........ hits me very deep in my soul........... it's so dear to me it means so much to me............ i can't even put it in words bc it simply makes me overflow with too much emotion at once
Z - Just ramble about something fan-related, go go go!
ig when it comes to fandoms. one big pet peeve i have is the amount of negativity ppl have around the source material?
criticism is valid and understandable and no media is free of it, but some people really spend almost all their time in a certain fandom doing nothing but hating it and its creator (biggest example is the bnha fandom is 2017ish. i swear most posts i saw abt it were hate posts from people who were still following the manga religiously)
not to mention the version of this that's like ignoring canon completely and making up new personalities for the characters in an attempt to make them non-problematic and such. pls just make ocs
like at some point i can't help but wonder why they're still reading it?? please move on to different things? if not for your own well being then for other fans bc i don't wanna see your negativity when i'm trying to be excited over smth i like 😭
(also true abt ppl who hate a character/ship and spend more time talking abt how much they hate it than talking abt the ones they do like, or worse, leaving mean comments on posts/fics made by ppl who do like it. yes that includes "problematic" ships or characters. complaining here and there is chill ofc but you gotta move on at some pointtttttt just block the tags or ppl who post a lot of it come on)
but fr it's mostly for you. esp if you're someone who doesn't have a lot of free time, why are you spending so much of it on something you're not even enjoying? i just don't get it 😔 you shouldn't take sunk cost fallacy into account when it comes to your joy i think
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New Years Fandom Resolutions for me PERSONALLY and anyone else who wants to follow them!
1. Stop arguing with antis on the internet. Their heads are so far stuck up their self righteous assholes that they'll never change their minds and now your mood is ruined because of some jerk on the other side of the world. Reply with a simple "ok" or a funny meme and move on. Hell don't reply at all. Just block them. Don't let them ruin your fandom experience.
2. Vice versa of #1. Stop being an anti for every little ship/character (I have been guilty of this in the past)
you aren't going to change the minds of the people who like certain characters and ships. Why waste your time being mad at them when you can block/ignore them and enjoy your side of the fandom. Tumblr has blacklist tag for a reason. AO3 has exclude tags for a reason.
I'm not saying you can't express your distaste. You can, but stop cross tagging and looking for drama.
You are not morally superior or saving the fandom from "toxic" fans just because you don't like certain characters/ships because I've seen how low some of you go just to prove you're better and its disgusting.
At the end of the day this is all fiction and fantasy. None of it's real and the fiction people consume does not 100% equal their values/morality
3. Finish your wips!! It doesn't have to be all of them but finish some of them!
4. Post more art and fanfiction! Even if you hate it. Post it anyways. You are your worst critic and what you might think is ugly is beautiful to someone else
5. Engage in the fandom more. I think being a silent observer/consumer can lead to fandoms dying. Not all the time but I think it's a small factor
6. I don't really struggle with this one but STOP forming parasocial relationships with the actors of your favorite media.
Stop trying to get them to validate your ships cause More times than not, you're going to get your feelings hurt and be disappointed a majority of the time. Just have fun. Not everything needs to be canon. I'm sick of seeing so many conventions where y'all keep trying force actors to accept your ship. If they said no the first time, leave it at that
It's ok to critic bad writing and terrible directors/writers but sending death threats and making petitions to get ppl fired is going overboard
7. This one is gonna be hard but take more breaks away from the internet. I hate this term but a lot of us are chronically online and it's ruining our social skills. Too many people are lacking basic human kindness and emotional empathy. It's so easy to say hateful things when you can hide behind a keyboard and screen.
This is all I got!! Feel free to add anything else to this post if you want!!
#i will block and delete negative additions and comments#fandom#fandom culture#supernatural#stranger things#game of thrones#marvel#mcu#dceu#dc comics#batman#batfam#justice league#walking dead#naruto#avatar the way of water#avatar 2
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watching a video that uses "teenage girls are being made fun of for drinking water" as a way to talk about jokes online abt hydroflask obsession and its like........ i think we're making fun of how people shell out for an overpriced water bottle just so they have the brand name. to fucking drink their water from. but ok ok
#rubia speaks#like it does come up when making fun of the VSCO girls YES but#i think the hydroflasks are targeted specifically BECAUSE they're used as conspicuous consumerism so ppl can get clout#if it was about girls drinking water ppl wouldn't be naming specific WATER BOTTLE BRANDS.#this probably isnt coherent i have a headache rn and its hard to find the words i mean#i think its a valid criticism that a lot of ppl make fun of what girls especially teenage girls like#but its also important to be able to distinguish that from when people are making fun of the consumerist aspects of 'popular' girlhood#that say you cant be a girl the right way unless u drink from 50 dollar water bottles or — in my day it was wear aeropostale or smth#i think we should make fun of those parts. it should be so meme-ified to be a clout demon rich kid that ppl like that cant get overly#popular from owning products alone#make them have a personality
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It's alright if u don't wanna answer this cuz this argument gets people really riled up but do you think c!Techno is a tyrant or nah?
Cuz many c!techno apologists argue that he isn't just cuz he's an anarchist but I've also read a lot of essays that go against it and it'd be really interesting to see ur opinion on this
i think he, in some contexts, can most definitely be called tyrannical, yes. a tyrant? no.
to avoid spamming ppl w discourse we've all def heard before (and bc this ended up MASSIVE (like 2.3k ish), but fairly in depth bc i didnt wanna speak out of bad faith and wanted to be EXPLICTLY clear-- oops), the rest will be under readmore
so heres the thing i want to preface: i used to really LOVE c!techno. i joined beginning of s2, right when exile started, and he was arguably my favorite character. since then though i've fallen out with him a LOT, to the point i almost... actively despite him at times (though mainly in a toxic kind of way which i can acknowledge is flawed).
in short, his actions started to speak louder than his words and i lost investment in his personal character struggles because of the actions he took (doomsday was my breaking point. i get feeling angry and betrayed, as well as seeking revenge against lmanberg, but his actions went too far for me to CARE and it hurt so many more characters as well.)
so when i speak, i come from a place of disliking him but also somewhat understanding the position c!techno apologists come from: i used to be one of them myself.
NOW, do i think he's a tyrant? no. for reference in my analysis, i try to look up the definition of terms to make sure they are utilized properly. while "tyranny" and "tyrannical" can have multiple uses, tyrant itself is a more specific term. to combine the top two definitions, a tyrant is referring to "an extremely oppressive, unjust, or cruel absolute ruler (who governs without restrictions, especially one who seized power illegally.)"
techno's position as an anarchist, imo, DOES indeed make him unable to be a tyrant. tyrants are rulers with very clear power over others from a structural way. anarchists are about the lack of structure or power over others and instead viewing the people around you as equals in power.
in forming the syndicate, they very explicitly worked to not designate a leader and instead make it so that no one would have any power over the others systemically. techno may have taken a integral role, yes, but it doesn't make him suddenly "the leader", its a role that wouldve had to be filled by someone (even if it was democratic to decide who to invite, they'd need someone to hand over the invite itself yknow? like no matter WHAT there needed to be A ROLE)
one could argue that he IS a leader in the shadow hierarchy of the syndicate (which, yes, is a real and professional term used in management courses despite sounding like it comes from a 4kids yugioh dub) in that everyone CONSIDERS and looks to him a leader without him having any actual structural basis behind it, but to argue that allows him to be a tyrant is in bad faith i believe. especially because to the people he would be "ruling", he ISNT oppressive, unjust, or cruel. they are his friends and support network and critical for a lot of his personal development (since feelings of betrayal and trust issues are critical to his character and why he acts the way he does). I wish we were able to SEE this develop more, but oh well.
but like i said: tyrant is fairly specific in definition. TYRANNY, and thus TYRANNICAL are not as limited. I've discussed their definitions here. originally, i made that post because i was angry at a take i had seen that claimed that, like you said, because techno was an anarchist and not part of any government or leadership position, he couldn't be tyrannical. to which i heartily disagree.
for something to be tyrannical, they simply must have an overarching/oppressive power over someone or something. it would not be inaccurate if i were to say that something is "under the tyranny" of a concept, because what it means is that something is under the power of another thing/concept. you can frankly call anything tyranny if it is widespread/overarching and you don't like it. mask mandates? tyranny, its forcing me to act in "rigorous condition". hell, theres even such things as tyranny of the majority in which people agree too much on one thing and it gives them unfair power or tyranny of the minority where people with minority opinions have too much power (thats a very grossly oversimplified definition of both, but it covers the base idea well enough for my point)
the point im making above isnt meant to be taken as "anything can be worked to be defined as tyranny thus it is a meaningless claim", it is that tyranny (and again, thus tyrannical) are very open and nonrestrictive terms.
to make it easier to define, alongside the definitions provided i want to add an explicit clause that is (imo) implied in the original definition: tyranny is... well, bad. that is to say if someone has power over a group but literally everyone is fine with it and agrees to it, its not tyranny. thats just a group of people getting along and one happens to have power over another. a leader does NOT equal a tyrant (as discussed above), so leadership should not be equated with tyranny.
thus as an example: wilbur acting as president (before the election) may have been "unelected" with power over his citizens, but no one was upset with that power. thus, he is not a tyrant and not acting tyrannically (as well as the fact his power was, arguably, NOT rigourous or absolute but thats another topic for another time). SCHLATT however IS a tyrant, as his power was absolute (he did not consult his cabinet) and forced people to comply instead of them complying willingly, thus he was acting tyrannically.
now to finally get to the damn point of this essay: where does c!techno lie? honest answer? it depends slightly on your perspective, but it depends a LOT on the future of the syndicate.
techno is incredibly clear in his goals: no governments, no corruption. in fighting with pogtopia, he is actively working to topple a tyranny-- he isn't tyrannical for doing that.
when he strikes out on nov 16th, it is because he opposes them forming a new government. when they oppose him and disagree, he launches an attack against them. is this tyranny? maybe, but probably not. he IS trying to impose his own physical strength and power (as well as his resources) over the others to stop them from doing what HE doesn't want them to do.
however its more nuanced than that:
1. hes lashing out emotionally as well as politically. he feels betrayed by those he trusted and he believed that they would destroy the government then go (i'm ignoring any debates on if he did or did not know that they planned another government, though it is a source of debate). but typically idk about you but i dont call tyranny for someone fighting with another person.
2. he also may be acting with good intent again, in HIS EYES. if tubbo was part of manburg, whos to say he wont be just as bad? he, in his pov, is likely trying to stop another tyrant before they rise.
3. and finally, and tbh the most damning from any perspective: he gives up. he quickly leaves then RETIRES without intent to try and attack again until he is later provoked. tyranny is defined by it not just being power, but power being USED. if he doesn't use his power to try and impose any will, then he's not tyrannical.
Doomsday I am also not going to touch very in depth on for much of the same reasons. My answer is again a "maybe", depending on the weight you personally place on each issue:
1. he's lashing out as revenge for the butcher army and as revenge against tommy for "betraying" him (though this one we explicitly know he was ignoring the fact tommy did not want to go through with it, however he still did trust and respect tommy regardless so his feelings are understandable anyway)
2. he sees new lmanberg as corrupt and tyrannical (which is undeniable: house arrest for noncompliance, exile without counsel, execution without trial, etc), and thus obligated to destroy it
but also, theres the implicit understanding he's doing this to send a message: do not form a government, or else. its a display of force that also works to warn others unless they want a similar fate. phil even explicitly states that he is doing so to send that message, so one could assume techno is doing the same alongside his personal reasoning listed above.
what i just described is the use of a oppressive and harsh (physical) power in order to gain compliance from people (that compliance being 'not making a government'). does that sound familiar? exactly. it follows the definition(s) of tyranny given previously. technoblade is acting in a way that is, by very definition, tyrannical.
so the debate shifts: is he valid in doing so because he is trying to PREVENT corruption and tyranny. like i said, new lmanberg was undeniably corrupt at points. i held nothing against techno for trying to topple manburg, so does that apply to new lmanberg as well? short answer: i dont know. it depends on your specific opinion of what is acceptable. its like the paradox of tolerance: to have a truly tolerant society, you have to be intolerant of intolerance. to have a truly non-tyrannical society, do you need to have a tyranny enforcing it?
personally (and bc im a lmanberg loyalist /hj) i say it is. regardless of the corruption of new lmanberg, they are also giving a threat to EVERYONE. even those who are innocent, they are presented with the exact same threat and rule set: if you make a government, you will be destroyed.
(which, small divergence here, is part of why debating c!techno is so frustrating. so many times you end up hitting a "well it depends on your political views" situation and there ISNT a correct answer there. im here to analyze characters for fun, not debate political theory)
so: the syndicate then. this is where this debate really "took off" and i think its due to one very specific miscommunication about its goals and plans. the syndicate, upon formation, declares itself to stand against corruption and tyranny. when they are found, the syndicate would work to destroy it. so heres the golden question: what do THEY define as corruption and tyranny? if you were to go off c!techno's previous statements, seemingly "any government" is a valid answer. however, he also states he's fine with people just being in groups together hanging together.
what then DEFINES A GOVERNMENT for them? what lines do they have to sort out what does "deserve to be destroyed" and what does "deserve to exist freely"
this is a hypothetical i like to post when it comes to syndicate discourse:
i have a group of people. lets say 5 or so for example. they all live together and build together. any decisions made that would impact the entire group they make together and they must have a unanimous agreement in order to proceed, but otherwise they are free to be their own people and do their own thing. when you ask them, they tell you they are their own nation and they have a very clearly defined government: they are a direct democracy. does the syndicate have an obligation to attack?
there is absolutely no hierarchy present. there is no corruption present. but, they ARE indeed a government. is that then inherently negative? my answer is fuck no (see the whole "difference between a tyrant and a leader" thing above).
but THATS where the issue of this discourse LIES. in some people's eyes, the answer to that is YES. techno's made it clear "no government" is his personal view, but does that spread to the syndicate as a whole? do they act preemptively in case it DOES become corrupt? is it inherently corrupt because its a government, regardless of how it is ruled? the fact of the matter is because of how little we've seen the syndicate work as a SYNDICATE, we don't know that answer. so we're left to debate and speculate HOW they would act.
if the syndicate were to let that government exist, then they are not tyrannical. they are showing that they are working to stop tyranny and corruption, just like in pogtopia again.
if the syndicate were to destroy/attack that government, then they are tyrannical. simple as that. they are enforcing a rule of their own creation without any nuance or flexibility under the threat of absolute destruction.
miscommunication in debates comes, in my opinion, in the above. of course theres more points of nuance. for example:
would the syndicate allow a government like i had described with early lmanberg, where there is an established hierarchy but everyone in the country consents to said leadership? on one hand, there is no tyranny or corruption present which is what they are trying to work against. on the other hand, theres more a possibility of it occuring. perhaps they'd find a middle road between the two binary options of "leave or destroy" i am presenting, such as checking in occasionally to ensure no corruption occurs.
but if they were to destroy it without, for lack of a better word, "giving it a chance" they would be, in my opinion, tyrannical. they would be going aginst their words of opposing corruption and instead abusing their power to gain compliance.
your/others opinions may differ, again it depends on if you see it as worth it to possibly stop future tyranny or if a hierarchy is INHERENTLY a negative thing.
part of the reason so many blog gave up this debate, beyond not getting very clear answers for the syndicate, is because of the nuance present. there. is. no. right. answer. every single person will view it differently, because there is no universally agreed upon truth of right or wrong here. BUT, i hope this helps shed some light on the discussion and my thoughts on it
#dream smp#mcyt#techno#syndicate analysis#YEAH IM MAINTAGGING WHAT OF IT#also i-- idk if it should be crit tagged? i tried to be as fair and open as possible#lemme know what yall think#ANYWAY ANON IM SO FUCKING SORRY THIS THING ENDED UP 2.3K WORDS LONG#I JUST RLLY WNATED TO BE THOUROUGH AND AS FUCKING CENTRIST /HJ AS POSSIBLE FJDKSLFJ#its very nuanced and theres no right answer but you sure as hell know mine now#answered#anon#im at work rn im gonna get fucking fired for this FJDKSFJKL#/HJ HOPEFULLY IN THAT I AM AT WORK BUT I WONT GET FIRED#og post#(jeb bush voice) please clap
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I like this image because it’s not about, like, “cancelling” these dudes, or whatever. it’s just about no one being able to live up to the monumental expectations fandom spaces can create for them.
the post I saw it on just now was about how these guys were ‘put up on a pedestal’ and then eventually let people down in some way, and as a result became less universally acclaimed (and how the stage is being set up for the same to happen to Jerma)
but like none of these dudes are really bad at all, they just had the internet’s spotlight move on from them to someone else (I think all of them are still making content). They made some kind of misstep, very publicly, which alienated some fans, who then voiced valid complaints, which prompted people who were never fans to hop on the bandwagon of complaining, and that’s why they sort of left a sour aftertaste around for a while... I think I finally get it.
and I mean yeah, they’re all white men, so trusting them implicitly was never a good idea. but it can be really hard to unlearn all the harmful shit you grow up with. and as far as I can tell, these guys are trying their hardest, so I think they’re safe.
that this Effect is named after John Green is a little confusing to me; I think whoever made the edit must be a bit older than me, or at least got Online (and specifically on tumblr) somewhat before I did. Because as long as I’ve been here John Green has been somewhat of a laughingstock on this site. Which I never understood, having been a fan of the Green brothers beforehand. but yeah I think I get it now, it isn’t pure hatred, it’s just the hipster effect.
I don’t know much about Thomas Sanders other than having seen a few of his Vines(?) back in the day. Always seemed harmless. I never got why people treated him like some kind of “cringe” interest. bc he talked about Steven Universe, I guess? Whatever, man.
The McElroys... this one hits hardest for me (insofar as any of these circumstances are “hits,” which they really aren’t, that’s the point. but anyway). I think I’ve befitted from not really participating in fandom conversation. I had no idea there even was any drama until Travis’s Among Us meltdown made national news. That definitely left a bad impression on ppl who didn’t already know who he was, which I assume was the purpose of the whole twitch streaming thing. After having finally seen the clip, everyone’s right, it’s awful. But Travis’s whole deal is being the annoying middle brother; making an ass of himself one time does not cancelling material make. I didn’t even know until watching Sarah Z’s video that TAZ: Graduation was unpopular! I (a noted not-so-great media analyst) had a lot of fun with Graduation! Until like, the very end of the last episode. But after hearing the criticisms, I don’t blame anyone for quitting.
Anyway MBMBaM is still funny, their new theme song slaps, and TAZ: Balance is one of the greatest stories ever told (especially in its original audio podcast format). Moving on.
I don’t know Jerma much outside of being the new meme guy, but he seems nice and he seems to know his audience. It does sort of seem inevitable that it will grow too large and he’ll disappoint them. but, like the rest, that doesn’t necessarily mean he won’t still be a fun dude at the end of the day.
I guess if there’s a lesson to be learned, it’s to really consider WHY unpopularity strikes when it does. If you’re vibing with the crowd, go ahead and leave them behind. But if you’d prefer to stay, that’s okay too (as long as no one’s getting hurt). As much as it is possible to kill cringe culture, do so, and just like what you like*
*(again, as long as it isn’t actively harmful... which some things are, which is why you need to consider why.. etc etc etc).
That’s this white girl’s late night thoughts thank you good night.
#and honestly even if something is leaning towards Bad you can and should still have a LITTLE fun with it (provided you notice and avoid-#-spreading the hate). perhaps thomas-jefferson-miku-binder person is the smartest amongst us...#(I know nothing about them pls dont crucify me if they are actually evil. lol)#boy this was kinda cathartic. I’m glad I wrote it out because if I hadn’t it might have kept me up all night#um I'm not looking to start a conversation tho haha. this is just like a long journal entry#long post
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What you had to say about Milly's post is so, so important to hear, and I'm also really glad to see you being open about reading kids books as a way to build your ability back up. At my former job at a big name bookstore one of the things I would do was take people who admitted to not being big/good readers and suggest they try kids' books, and reassure them that it wasn't weird or anything to be embarassed about to be an adult reading children's literature. I'd even tell them about how I was still actively following certain authors and got a lot of my own reading from the kids section to reassure them. So it's really nice for me to see someone who's open about "hey, I went back to kids' stuff", I feel like it validates my own thinking on that matter, about how it can be a valuable tool no matter how old you are.
Absolutely! Plus kids books can be a lot of fun lol. Honestly it just broadens your pool of books in the end. It makes me sad that so many ppl are made to feel bad about reading "below" their like... Societally Prescribed Ideal Reading Level. Whatever!!!!!! I read at college level in the 8th grade and now I read much lower most of the time... 🤷 whatever you can manage is not just OKAY, its GOOD AND GREAT
Additionally there is childens nonfiction... A lot of Millys post was about absorbing information and critical thinking. Magazines like Muse present a lot of really interesting science concepts in easy to digest ways and are short and dont require as much concentration
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posting this here bc i feel like i'd get crucified on twitter on both sides but honestly like....guys, you have to stop clinging onto a 14-year-old image of gorillaz. gorillaz isnt what it used to be and i guarantee a lot of the people clinging onto it rn werent even fully aware of gorillaz's nature and the extent of the project when phase 2 was happening (myself included). i'm not saying we cant critique gorillaz. in fact, i think people who are constantly shutting down criticisms because "isnt it enough to just enjoy the music?" isn't a good response. those people who get mad at criticisms often do so because they've attached their interests so deeply to their identities that an "attack" on gorillaz is an attack on them. that isnt healthy. if you really love something, you should be willing to observe it at all angles and critique it to make it better. ultimately, critics give opinions because theyre invested in the wellbeing and improvement of the project. at the end of the day, this project was made specifically to encourage criticicism of the music industry. and now that they're in the music industry, it only makes sense to extend that criticism to them. so yes, please critique and question gorillaz's choices! it's really important to do so!
my gripe comes, though, when people are like "gorillaz isn't gorillaz anymore, now theyre irredeemable :((" because at the end of the day, every second gorillaz is active will always be the most gorillaz they've ever been. the same way that youre currently the most you you've ever been. because thats how time works lol. it's not unfair to critique gorillaz by comparing it to what it once was. but what is unfair is upholding what it once was as the only definitive version of gorillaz.
i get it. you wanna lament what's no longer there and you wanna mourn the loss of what the project once was. that's understandable, and its unfortunate because that kind of change in direction happens with a lot of projects, especially long-lasting ones. your disappointment in this case isn't your fault. however, you can lament without expecting for modern gorillaz to suddenly turn back into phase 2 and then get disappointed that it didnt happen. at that point, your disappointment is your fault because youre putting expectations in a place that gorillaz has proven they will not reach since at least 2010.
you can't get mad at a penguin for not flying even if it evolved from something that once could. instead, place your expectations in its swimming capabilities since that's the new direction it evolved into. gorillaz has evolved in a different direction now. you have to accept that at some point. you have to accept that gorillaz is a different project now, and thusly mold your critiques around the project that it currently is rather than critiquing it under the context of a project it's not. if you're not molding your critiques to the project it currently is, then your criticisms lose a lot of relevance. depending on how disconnected they are, they cease to be criticisms at all. they just become complaints.
this is the part where i say obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion and everyone is allowed to like or dislike content however they want. everyone is entitled to complain now and again. and at the end of the day, i can choose to mute people if i dont wanna hear endless complaints against gorillaz or endless defensiveness against critics (which i already have muted ppl on both sides). but im not necessarily saying this for my own sake. ive already got myself covered, ive already muted who i wanted to and will likely unmute once everything is less divisive. im saying this for the sake of those who are so distraught by the path gorillaz has taken and distraught by those with valid criticisms against gorillaz. you guys are making your lives a lot harder and youre exerting a lot of your mental and emotional energy investing in either A) a project that no longer exists and will never exist again; or B) valid critiques on said project that hurt your feelings because you've attached your identity to this thing.
all im saying is, if youre not having fun, you can go home. if it causes you so much anguish to see gorillaz or to see people talk about gorillaz, take a break from gorillaz. thats what i did, and it personally helped me gain a new perspective when coming back into it. i still prefer the older way that gorillaz handled things, and probably always will. but the new doesn't taint my experiences of the old anymore because i took a break from the tunnel vision i (and others) have been getting. it really affected my enjoyment of the media i once loved. this maybe wont work for you, but it's a suggestion. because i guarantee you, youre never gonna get what you want being in denial about the state of things. like it or not, accept it and move on with your life.
(in case anyone is wondering bc im not here to start drama, this is NOT against anyone or any group of people specifically. i may have referenced a few people's complaints here, but only bc it's what i saw on twitter. this is not a #vaguepost or #callout or whatever. this is a blanket statement for the entire fanbase. so i better not see anyone commenting "its ok op, you can just say [insert twitter handle here]")
#glad to get that off my chest lol#gorillaz#gorillaz critical#idk if thats a tag but im sure it is somewhere#gone jellyfishing#long post
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I think there are a lot of really nice AAA games that have realistic artstyles. Stuff like metroid dread is technically AAA and has a realistic though artstyle and is very fun for me to play, and things like fps games have very active communities and have a lot of really lovingly crafted shooting mechanics from a genre thats been steadily refined for over a decade now even though its mostly in the "gritty hyper realism" artstyle and so on. I agree with what you said and I think games as a whole benefit from moving twoards them, and that an over emphasis on realistic graphics is an artistically stifling behavior in an industry that's getting more and more corporatized, but renouncing a entire section of video games conceptually while complaining about people who criticize negative aspects of it despite it being an optional conversation to begin with seemed a little weird, sorry if this came across as argumentative, I do understand that it dose get tiring seeing the same conversation repeated every 2-5 months or when a new game is revealed
man i don't have the energy to have like, a full-on nuanced Tumblr Analytical Discussion about this.
obviously some AAA are still great, nothing's ever a monolith, and i 110% understand wanting to see the cool quality stuff and rad innovations that could potentially be put out when dev teams have as much experience and resources as AAA stuff does.
the complaints about AAA stagnation are obviously valid, but also it's like... not going to do anything? as long as the teams making AAA games are backed by huge corporations that only care about their money instead of like....anything about the actual games, it's just gonna be like that. they're gonna keep taking the safest route to sell. at some point you just have to let it go because there's not much an individual consumer can do besides just not buy the game.
my irritation IS mostly just from seeing those same posts every several months; they always act like this is such an inescapable sad state of things [and as i just said above, in some ways it is,] but these problems DO have solutions, it's just that ppl won't to look a little to the left to find them rather than just staring at the big shiny neon AAA sign in their face
#literally i'd be fine if people ever said specifically AAA games on those posts#instead of treating issues with AAA games as issues with Every Videogame Around#or if they made any kind of acknowlegement that games besides AAA stuff exist
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reading your liveblogs of fe3h is a breath of fresh air. i adore subversions (when executed nicely lmao) so seeing you discuss rhea-church not being evil is so great! (plus she's grown into a fave lately lol im a softie for tragic characters 😭) the whole og premise of the game is "what if your beloved student betrays you", so seeing so many ppl go "CF is the best! Edelgard's the hero!" is just 😞 (it doesnt help that the route structures it that way tho...)
Glad you had fun anon! Rhea’s really grown on me a lot lately too. I have a lot of Thoughts about the way 3H frames thing and why that does so much damage to fandom perceptions of Edelgard and Rhea.
In Rhea’s case, it’s because you spend the entirety of White Clouds being suspicious/wary of her, even when what she’s doing is... really not super unreasonable? e.g. The way Byleth refusing to hand over the Lance of Ruin plays out is designed to make you wary of Rhea (she’s angry you defied her :ooo), even though her responding negatively to you up and deciding to keep a dangerous relic she wants to return to its owners is perfectly understandable.
So, you spend all of White Clouds hyperconscious of Rhea, waiting for something to happen... and then you get one of two things.
(AM/SS/VW) She subverts your expectations and saves the Monastary, and then the timeskip immediately shoves Rhea off-screen so you don’t get any time to process what happened. If you’re playing AM, you care more about Dimitri, and if you’re playing VW... you’re wondering why Byleth cares about Rhea all of a sudden. Cool, you saved her.... nice...
(CF) Rhea loses her shit when you refuse to kill Edelgard and all of your concerns are validated. Never mind that Rhea wanting Edelgard dead and being furious you defy her is completely reasonable (mental breakdown notwithstanding), and never mind that Edelgard is the main villain at this point - you have been primed to trust Edelgard and distrust Rhea. The choice between Rhea and Edelgard isn’t based on who you agree with, it’s based on who you like more - and Rhea has not been set up to win.
Rhea not being evil or untrustworthy has no adequate payoff for the buildup it was given. The only route it pays dramatic dividends is Crimson Flower - even though Edelgard’s speech as she slaughters Rhea is high octane nonsense, it feels like a hard-won victory.
Rhea got screwed.
Crimson Flower on the other hand, plays its cards too close to its chest and suffers from one of the game’s major design limitations - Three Houses has a big problem of Telling, not Showing. Sylvain talks a big game about how he gets used by women, and we believe him, because why would he lie about that? ...but we never see it. Rodrigue is a bad parent. Holst... exists. We only learn people’s Sad Pasts because the characters tell us themselves.
So when Edelgard starts telling us the “truth”, the game’s already conditioned us to accept this method of conveying information. The character is saying it, it must be true. Why would Edelgard lie to us?
Doesn’t help that you need to play other routes to prove her wrong. Meanwhile, the game is already dismissing everything bad she did in White Clouds, because you chose villain route, why would you hold her to task for being the villain? You implicitly indicated that you support her methods by choosing her, so of course Byleth isn’t going to call her out. At this point, they’re a villain too.
CF doesn’t make it obvious it’s villain route unless you read between the lines, though. The villains aren’t going to stand around talking about torture and being evil all day (unless they’re Hubert), they think they’re good and righteous. If you aren’t reading the text critically, you take this at face value.
One of my favourite parts of Crimson Flower is the Lady of Deceit chapter - ostensibly, it’s referring to Cornelia with this, but you would have no idea who Cornelia is or what kind of person she is without the context of Azure Moon behind her. Meanwhile, this chapter ends with Edelgard lying about the Church destroying one of the fortresses for her own benefit (when it was the Agarthans).
I think not enough people understood that by choosing Edelgard, they chose to be a villain, and so have to take everything at face value because things don’t make sense otherwise, and the oddities have to be dismissed (this is what tripped me up on my first playthrough as well :I). Why on earth would they - Rhea suspicious, Edelgard your friend... so there must be a good reason for invading the Alliance, and killing Dimitri... right? They deserved it, right? These weren’t monstrous things to do, right?!
The writers really fucked this one up.
This is why I like having the Lions and the Wolves recruited for a CF playthrough. ...not because I think the Lions would join Edelgard or should be there, but because the uneasiness spreading in their ranks as time goes on helps cut through the BE’s pro-Edelgard rally. (The Wolves are great because Yuri and Hapi are not subtle about not wanting to be there).
anyway 3H is a great case study in how to fuck up so badly the fanbase thinks your villain is the hero and a hero is The villain. I like that the devs can outright say CF is Conqueror route and Edelgard is a Red Emperor and be completely ignored. it’s amazing.
(i’m glad someone likes my ramblings hahah-)
#replies#ac plays 3h#with the exception of cosmic fluke azure moon#i have internalised 3H as a massive What Not To Do in writing#especially things with routes#anonymous
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Is watching a fiction story in the form of anime/ cartoon/ movie/ video game & finding the “ baddies” interesting/ or if desiring a “darker” ending makes you a terrorist? monster? or a horrible human being with ideals that can harm real life society?
Yes. According to some attack on titan fans...
I never read the manga & I’m NOT supporting any side in AOT world, but I can’t escape the stupid spoilers & “fights” between ppl who cheer for the opposite sides in AOT. I even witnessed a friend who is an aot fan call another friend/ aot fan a danger to society cuz the later thinks “eren” should just win.... fun fact: both friends volunteer a lot in real life community! I don’t get it! This is fiction! No real person or animal is harmed while making it, so why a person having an opinion abt fiction reflects who they are in real life?!!!
If one loves watching serial killers movies, does this makes them potential future killers?
If you play a violent video game, will you become violent?
if you support fictional eren in his fictional dark plan, does this makes you real life titan or a “yeagrist” which is by the way a fictional word, too ?
Some ppl find it fun to support the “ baddies” in fiction, this doesn’t make them “ edgy” or “ dictator lovers” or “ horrible real ppl”.
I know AOT discusses themes abt war & global peace & what not, but since it IS fiction, it IS okay to explore the darker side of the argument in AOT if you want to. Off course, if it was a real life situation, God forbid, those ppl who want to explore the darker themes in fiction, won’t feel the same way in real life!
If everything in fiction MUST ONLY be viewed according to real life morals & attitude, then we should ONLY have two types of characters & stories: Good & Bad. You might feel very strongly abt AOT because of its themes but it IS entertainment at the end of the day, Thank God! so, some ppl just want to “ entertain” opposing thoughts!
Same argument: if you ONLY care for the fate of your beloved character & don’t give a damn abt the story, that’s also fine. You shouldn't be hated for it, nor you should hate others who don’t share the same sentiment!
AOT is a story full of thousands of perspectives, discuss whatever you want without labeling others who don’t share your view the same way you label “ despicable” ppl in real life. AOT fandom is notoriously scary! Even among some of those who support the “ good guys” or analyze the narrative, I’ve seen/heard horrible “labels” for the other group.......
AOT is an interesting story with many fascinating characters but the story itself & its characters aren’t above criticism.
There are valid narrative issues & somewhat confusing artistic choices by the writer regarding the overall route/ "path” of the story. You might like it & praise it. That’s ok. You might hate it & publicly express that, that’s ok, too, as long as you are respectful of the author.
I know ppl can never unite in one single thought/ goal/ perspective, that’s fine, we should celebrate that & use it as an opportunity to muse over how different & similar we are, not hate each other for it.
#aot#sad paper#scary fandom#stop spoilering aot#stop hating each other over fiction#real life reasons are more than enough#Anime Only
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