#jjk queer discourse

[justrustandstardust]

Y'all talking like you wrote jujutsu kaisen. I'm not Gege but l think he wrote them as just good friends not anything more. Its just fanfiction. Plus y'all can actually tell that they are friends/brothers cause of the way they act. Anyways no use in arguing cause neither of us are the writers of Jujutsu Kaisen and its not giving us anything productive. Like we barely are increasing skills of making money or helping others and were wasting time on debating on Gojo and Geto who aren't even real!

.....fine you keep SatoSugu a relationship and l'll keep them a brotherhood

it seems like you're the only one who's pressed about debating the nature of gojo and geto's relationship. you say gege is the one holding the reins, yet you're determined to define their connection according to your reductionist understanding of relationships. the only unproductive part about all of this is your insistence that you alone possess omniscient insight into gojo and geto's relationship, which is nonsensical at best and laughable at worst.

as i've explained extensively, gojo and geto are meant to be interpreted in a critical manner. it's not gege's fault that some of his fans seem to lack the basic analytical skills to do so. gojo and geto may not be real, but your dedication to undermining their relationship certainly is. maybe you should heed your own advice and start "making money" or "helping others" instead of getting up in arms about characters that very clearly escape your narrow worldview.

[hauntedaeon]

Anytime I see someone complain that fans are making games “too woke” or talking about how “that character isn’t gay! You’re forcing it!” I will simply make another queer headcanon /hj

“Stop shipping them they’re both straight!”

Blade from HSR is trans now 🙂

“No he’s totally straight and not trans and would hate gay people”

Congrats to Shoko Ieiri for coming out as a lesbian!

“No more of this transgender nonsense in this fandom”

What’s that? Ling Wen is aroace? Good for her

“No she’s a WOMAN who loves MEN”

Oh look! It’s Jin Kazama, heard he’s bisexual!

Like, as long as they aren’t harmful let people have their hc’s. And just because a character isn’t confirmed queer does not automatically mean they’re cishet. Homophobia and transphobia I will simply use as fuel to make me stronger 😤

[roamingwildflower13]

Them

'The need to be seen’ - some wise words from a wonderful blogger in a post made yesterday.

This hit hard honestly.

Especially after seeing the cult go on yet again trying to invalidate Jimin and JK’s bond after a twitter post went ‘viral’ in k pop ville, one asking people to state what K pop ship they think is ‘real’ (hashtag, no delusions). As it stands about half is Jikook, and the cult have an issue with this, so do some Army, so now we have them invalidating their bond to the same old tropes, fan service and they are brothers. I haven’t looked in too much detail, and I am not familiar with 99% of k pop groups/ships, but from briefly looking, other ships posts do not have half the detraction jikook ones do. What is the obsessive need to ‘disprove’ them.

This against jikooks need to be seen. As I said this hit hard for me, as someone who has hidden (my choice) I can see how things like GCFT are ways in which JK wanted to express himself, to be seen. For them to be seen, and that has only increased since, what with the show.

Yet what we get all the time in the fandom is people accusing their bond of being fake, or fan service, that they hate each other. All week so far PJMs have been dragging JK for his position as a cook, and JJKs go back at them with lies about Jimin’s mental health. We have the cult saying they are FS.

These men have just been through hell and back during their service, and yes that was mandatory, but they went through their experience together, by choice. That is significant, and to belittle that, is disgraceful to me.

Not only that but as most of us sane people know, these men have also been with each other throughout everything in their careers and lives for over a decade now. We have no right, absolutely no right, to drag that bond, to insinuate anything about it in a negative or derogatory way. Only today I have seen a blogger on here yet again drag their bond inserting their own bias and frankly homophobic view, specifically onto the situation in 2023 where they were (in our eyes) not seeing each other. I am sorry but where do people get off saying these things. It is their bond, and it is our job as fans/supporters to uplift them, to celebrate them and to support them. Otherwise, you are just tokenising a (probable) queer couple for kicks and your own fetish. They don’t see each other for a few months two years ago, and it is because of any x, y ,z reason you can think of. Of course it cannot be as simple as one was busy, and the other not, something that they said mind you. We are never likely going to get the whole picture, but to degrade their bond, and insert your view is unwarranted. No, it is not a conversation that should be had, not least because you will go round in circles, and have over and over, to try and ‘prove’ something or not, when you will likely never get the answer you want. The answer we got from them is they made time to travel with each other, and then they enlisted together. That is our answer, they prioritized each other when it mattered to them. Anything else is slander and gossip.

They have consistently been a support for each other for years, who are we to act as judge and jury on that very real, very tangible fact.

I might have gone off tangent, but after watching their live again with subs, seeing them visually and hearing their words, of how they supported each other, seeing these takes across social media really riled me. I had hoped that upon their return these takes and discourse would go out with the ark, but apparently not, and that is on those that perpetuate these narratives, not on Jimin and Jungkook who have shown us who they are to each other.

Their bond is so dear to them, they have made that so abundantly clear. It is so beautiful, so rare, and as people who do see them, the least we can do is respect them.

End.

[gotorux]

Fandom Culture, Forced Shipping, and the Blurred Line Between Representation and Projection!

I know I am mostly just a lurker but I’ve seen an increasing amount of problematic behavior I feel like needs to be called out.

In recent months, the engagement in fandom has often taken a more aggressive, absolutist tone, particularly around topics like shipping, representation, and attraction to fictional characters. The result is a space where important distinctions are lost, bad faith accusations are rampant, and people are silenced for engaging with media in a way that doesn’t align with the loudest voices in the room. And this is not only excessively problematic, but alienating as well.

Let’s start with shipping.

Not every ship is canon!

In many fandoms(especially those centered around shonen anime) intense, emotionally rich male friendships are increasingly interpreted as romantic by default. It’s no longer enough for two male characters to share trust, trauma, or growth. If they’re close, they must be in love. And if you don’t ship them, or worse, if you insist they’re just friends, you’re suddenly accused of being homophobic or “anti-queer.”

But this isn’t about homophobia. It’s about preserving narrative integrity and celebrating platonic male intimacy, which is just as rare and precious in storytelling as authentic queer representation.

Take JJK. The bond between Gojo and Geto is complex, layered, and filled with emotional weight…but it is not romantic. Canon sources back this up clearly. The JJK fanbook confirms that Gojo likes women(also parts of the anime/manga), and even states that he moved on from Geto’s defection relatively easily, contrary to the tragic soulmate narrative pushed by fans.

The characters have ideological differences, not romantic tension. Their story is one of parallel evolution, not forbidden love. And yet, fandom discussion around either character often cannot exist without centering the other in a romantic framework.

This pattern repeats across nearly every popular shonen series: Yuji and Megumi, Levi and Erwin, Gon and Killua, Naruto and Sasuke, Deku and Bakugo.

These dynamics are written as bonds forged in hardship, friendship, loyalty, and sometimes rivalry…not as romances. When fandom insists otherwise, it flattens emotional complexity into shallow tropes and undermines both queer representation and male friendship.

Worse, it perpetuates toxic masculinity: the idea that men can’t express love, loyalty, or emotional vulnerability unless it’s romantic or sexual. That’s not progressive! It’s regressive.

The insistence on romantic shipping as a form of queer representation also reveals a disturbing double standard. If fans truly wanted more visibility for LGBTQ+ characters, we’d see more support for female/female (F/F) ships, which are often canonically or subtextually queer. Like Ymir and Historia in Attack on Titan.

But these ships rarely receive the same level of obsession or cultural reach. Why? Because in many cases, M/M shipping isn’t about queer advocacy at all, it’s about indulging in aestheticized emotional fantasy between attractive male characters. That’s not inherently wrong, but it should be recognized for what it is, rather than masquerading as activism.

Queer representation matters. But it needs to be authentic, deliberate, and earned; not projected onto stories that were never meant to carry that weight.

Respecting Canon Isn’t Homophobic.

Choosing not to ship a pair of characters doesn’t make someone homophobic. Refusing to see a romance where none exists isn’t hate, it’s media literacy. It’s about engaging with a story on its own terms, rather than demanding it conform to fan fantasies.

It’s deeply hurtful to be labeled anti-queer simply for seeing value in platonic bonds. That kind of moral weaponization doesn’t uplift the queer community; it silences those who see emotional depth without sexual tension.

Now to my next topic.

Fictional Attraction and the “Minor” Discourse:

Another area where fandom discourse has become both toxic and confused is in the discussion around attraction to fictional characters, particularly those labeled as teenagers in-universe.

Take Megumi Fushiguro, again from Jujutsu Kaisen. He’s described as a high schooler, but designed with adult features: tall, mature, emotionally restrained, and drawn with adult proportions. He looks and acts like someone in his early 20s.

Yet fans who say they find him attractive are often accused of “liking minors.” This kind of accusation is not only wrong…it’s deeply irresponsible.

Fiction ≠ Reality

Being attracted to a fictional, adult-coded character is not the same as being attracted to real-life minors. There is a vast and meaningful difference between responding to stylized, idealized character design and holding dangerous views in the real world. Conflating the two trivializes real child exploitation and erodes the seriousness of actual abuse.

That said, there is a line and it’s when characters are child-coded…that is, when they are drawn, voiced, or characterized in ways that deliberately evoke youth, vulnerability, or prepubescence.

Examples include: Nezuko from Demon Slayer, whose tiny frame, infant-like behavior, and childlike mannerisms are clearly designed to evoke a little girl. Deku from My Hero Academia, who is introduced as either 14 or 15 with a young, innocent personality and childlike appearance.

When people sexualize characters like these, it does raise ethical concerns, because the appeal is rooted in traits associated with childhood. That’s a different conversation entirely, and it deserves to be had.

Attraction to adult-coded characters with stated ages under 18? Not inherently problematic. Depends on design and context.

Attraction to child-coded or loli/shota characters, regardless of “age?” Concerning. Context matters more than labels.

Conflating all attraction to stylized characters as predatory? Harmful, misleading, and erases real harm.

This is about critical thinking, not knee-jerk labeling. We must be able to distinguish between what’s a fantasy, what’s fetishization, and what’s actual danger.

Fandom has always been a place of personal connection, but somewhere along the way, nuance got lost. Every emotional bond became romantic. Every attraction became a red flag. Every disagreement became a moral failing.

But not everything is a ship.

Not every fictional character is a stand-in for real life.

Not every headcanon is representation.

And not every boundary is bigotry.

It’s time to bring context, compassion, and clarity back into fandom conversations. We need to protect the things that actually matter, without shaming people for simply engaging with fiction in a way that’s honest, respectful, and thoughtful.

Let friendships be friendships. Let attraction to stylized adult characters exist without slander. And let’s stop calling everything abuse because that only blinds us to the places where it really exists.

[eggslamwich]

Kenjaku scratches such an itch for me I love so much that they’re a trans villain who is not defined by being trans.

Of course it’s a part of their character and to pretend otherwise is silly but their goals and motivations are not centered on their gender identity. So many trans villains are often written (by cis people) so that their trans identity is what makes them evil/is their main character trait. But Kenjaku is just…kinda trans. They’re a mad scientist who watches stand up comedy and reads manga and does vore and also they’re trans.

I’ve seen discourse jjk is anti queer because the villains are queer coded but as a queer villain enjoyer it’s a breath of fresh air to have queer villains where I don’t get the impression the author has it out for queer people. 🤷‍♀️

[long-claw]

idk how much this discourse is present on tumblr because i've not looked, but on the whole "gege saying gojo and geto are best friends means the shippers are wrong": i think, apart from the fact that shipping and canon are separate entities in the first place and none of this matters, this reaction actually says a lot about how straight men in particular view their romantic relationships.

(this can apply to not straight men but it's mainly the dudebro jjk fans i've seen pushing this and they primarily seem to be straight men that don't even know bisexuality exists)

i think often in unhealthy straight relationships (this is second hand knowledge, im a lesbian so feel free to tell me to stfu) the man often seems to view their partner as not one of their friends, but as every other role in their life. women describe feeling like their partner's girlfriend, mother, therapist and more. a lot of men would never treat their best friend the way they treat their girlfriend.

best friends can be just friends, best friends can date, best friends can be friends that secretly love each other and mortal enemies can be best friends even after one kills the other. i just think it's interesting how many people are willing to announce publicly that their best friend and partner could never mean the same thing, when as a queer person i've had a crush on most of my best friends and this conversation seems bonkers to me.

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[hijinks-n-lowjinks]

for the choose violence ask game:

how about 1, 6, 7, 8, 10, 18, 21 annndddddd 22

that was a lot lmao so feel free to skip/ignore some of these if u want

Yes yes yes thank you for giving me so many!!!! I love giving my opinion!!!! And I saw your second ask about how you meant to add that this is for jjk, not to worry lol

1. The character everyone gets wrong

My first instinct is to always say Gojo, but I also think Megumi is pretty misunderstood. It’s pretty rare that I find a fic where I think the author gets his personality down without digging too deep into one stereotypical archetype. That’s why I don’t read but jjk fanfiction :////

6. Which ship fans are most annoying?

Oof that’s a tough one. I mostly stay out of shipping discourse and I tend to like the most popular ships so I don’t get irritated by a lot. But it’s the straight shippers who insist that a character isn’t gay because of convoluted reasons or because they said a girl was pretty one time. Like that doesn’t mean they aren’t queer lol. Just say you’re homophobic and move on.

7. What character did you begin to hate not because of canon but of how the fandom acts about them?

None. I’m pretty unaffected by fandom interpretations of character tbh. I know the true, real gospel of jjk so other interpretations are just false prophets spreading heretical nonsense. Like the fandom can get annoying af about Gojo but that doesn’t make me like him any less. I know his purpose and personality as a character so that’s all that matters to me.

Oh but it does annoy me how some people think Mai’s actions are excusable because of her backstory. Nah, she’s a bitch, but thats okay that she’s a bitch!!!! Her and Maki had the same background and yet she’s the worst!!!! I’m okay with her sucking, her backstory makes her more interesting, but like. Acknowledge that she’s also out of line a lot of the time (I don’t hate her though. I just don’t like her).

8. Common fandom opinion that everyone is wrong about

Idk if this is exactly common, but I’ll see a lot of skits on tiktok where someone like Gojo or Nobara will tease Megumi about his feelings for Yuuji and he just…. acts so weird and obvious about it. Or he overreacts and is super dramatic. That’s not my boy. He would act is ASS off to be perceived as unaffected by the teasing and to try and play off his feelings as not a big deal. He’s a tsundere but like a laid back casual tsundere.

10. Worst part of fanon

People having different opinions than me hahdjsnhajs I’m right all the time and anyone who disagrees with me is just not as enlightened as I am.

18. It’s absolutely criminal that the fandom has been sleeping on….

Yukiiiiiii. She’s my girlfriend and I love her. We need more content of her. Like everyone knows she’s hot (obviously) but we need more discussions and fics and fanlore about her past and her personality. Also more chosoyuki please.

21. Part of canon you think is overhyped

Junpei’s death. To be fair, I was spoiled for it so I knew he was going to die from the beginning, but I didn’t have much of an attachment to him other than that I liked Yuuji’s friendship with him. I felt really bad for him, but I was more upset with how Yuuji was going to take his death/transfiguration than the actual event itself.

22. Your favorite part of canon that everyone else ignores

That jjk is an enjoyable story lol.

[dearweirdme]

Hypothetically, let's say either taehyung or jungkook officially announce they have a girlfriend in the future. Where would your thought process be in regards to taekook? Would that make you question if they were or real, would you think they just ended things, or possibly another pr situation?

I started to think about this today because of all the discourse on Twitter today with tkkrs and jkkrs going back and forth, then jjks jumping in saying he's 100% straight. Would it be delusional to think they just broke up in that scenario?

Hi anon!

Jkkrs thoughts on Tae in general are way off (I haven't actually seen one Jkkr think of Tae as the person he actually is). Tae stands in the way of their ship. If they allow themselves to think of Tae as honest, they have to amend the thoughts they have about Jk and Jm. So when Jkkrs say Tae is a 100 percent straight, that doesn't mean anything to me.

I think of Tae as an honest person. So I take his personal references to queer artists, media, brands as a basis for my thoughts on his queerness. Even without taking Jk into the equation, I still consider the possibility of him being queer huge.

I believe in Tae and Jk as a couple for a reason. So in case of them announcing a partner in the future, it would probably lead to me thinking they broke up at one point. I don't really feel another pr situation is in the cards, but that would depend on how things play out. I feel very strongly about the shared attraction and closeness between them, so I don't think there is much that would make me reconsider my thoughts on them.

[justrustandstardust]

Hello, I have a couple of words for you.

I think your shipping of Geto Satoru and Gojo Suguru is a disgusting defilement of their characters, and your persistence on a queer reading of their characters ruins all of their character and platonic chemistry. You queers ruin all media.

bro at least the queers get their names right 🥴🥴🥴 you homophobed so hard that you deadass married them 💀💀💀

give this a read, and let's see if (against all odds) you can develop a critical thought about who's really ruining their characters. you sent me the most homophobic ask on valentines day about the two most clearly queer-coded people in recent media, which is such an astoundingly idiot move that it's almost impressive.

you really thought you said something, huh? maybe i'll fuck your dad and give him a child he'll actually be proud of 💀💀💀

(also, you're clearly late to the party— gojo and geto are confirmed queer; gege told me himself. here's the proof)

[hxhhasmysoul]

To be fair, are any of these “cool kids” who call Gege sexist deserve to be treated as if they actually have some basic media literacy? I personally don’t treat any of them as such since they seem so eager to slander the author with malicious accusations.

I find all of them a waste of time and tend to treat them with disrespect for they disrespect the author despite being “fans” of theirs.

Am I being mean for doing such? Perhaps. But there are so many take like that I don’t care for any of their feelings or reasonings of how their takes came to be. It’s all baseless.

I think there are several takes about JJK and Gege that have become this kind of clout chasing mantra. A lot of the leftism/feminism/minority discourse on social media is based on buzzwords and hot takes taken out of context. And it's a performance to create a certain image of the person espousing them.

We have the "misogyny allegations", the "Gege hates Gojou", the "incest allegations", etc. All regurgitated ad nauseam to position the speaker as a critical thinker... as a person who's critical of the media they consume while having no clue that media criticism is an academic framework and not an act of bad faith selective reading, blatant misinterpretation and assuming the worst of the author.

And on a good day I'm like you, I tune it out and block on sight. But sometimes I indulge in not being nice to them, in calling them out on their bs because performative leftism of any flavour is my pet peeve.

And I also think there needs to be push back even if for my own sanity I avoid more than push back. Because the language of the left can be perverted, we're living the consequences of the terfs appropriating the language of feminism and some queer activism to push their genocidal far right and blatantly anti trans people but also anti women rhetoric. Because these takes get mindlessly repeated over and over again, and people who do it feel that they are doing good, that they are addressing a real problem calling out a real problematic title and author. And they feel excused from actually considering these takes, excused from actually looking at the text. I mean so many people say it so there must be something there, right? At this point it's "morally correct" performative dogpiling. When it's applied to a piece of fiction it's not that harmful in the grand scheme of things, a "first world problem". But this usually informs how these people approach other real people and real life problems and real life activism. Which can be an actual problem.

[spn-s16]

i'm sher; they/them :)

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my current fandoms are boku no hero academia, genshin impact, and jujutsu kaisen

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[mystolli]

## . . . ABT ME !

basics 📁 ☆ : hi there, i’m halo ! i’m 18, queer and go by they/he pronouns !

other 📁 ☆ : i’m an entp 4w3 libra ambivert

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[cerasus--flores]

tumblr will recommend me mcyt tweets, valorant memes, queer discourse, and jjk x reader smut before even showing me A SINGULAR honkai and/or nijien post. what is this.

[hxhhasmysoul]

can people stop dragging jjk into whatever csm bs is going on at any given moment? 

especially on this topic.

i’ve read csm only once and dropped it like 10-15 chapters into part two because i completely lost interest. i do recall the female cast being grating to me and generally finding it just not giving me anything from the feminist perspective. these are vague recollections from a while ago, however, and from one pass over the text. so i don’t find my opinion to be well formed on the topic of csm.

with jjk, on the other, I’ve read and watched what’s available several times, i’ve also read the fanbook and a lot of the other author commentary that i found. so i feel pretty secure in my opinion about it. and about its level of feminism. jjk isn’t doing the bare minimum. it’s doing more. and it’s deserves its cookie actually. and i have extensively written why.

and also i disagree with you about the compliments and being off the hook. the problem with the internet fandom’s compliments is that they come in a form of hyperbole and hype. and also in form of identity building and morality badges of honour based on the media people consume. and then there’s reactionary backlash. it’s a cycle. it goes like this:

let’s use jjk as an example

1. jjk does some stuff that sets it apart from other mainstream titles, manga or otherwise, in terms of feminist stuff.

2. people pick up on it and comment.

3. hype build, people start to repeat these comment ad nausam, and make them hyperbolic.

4. the exaggeration is too obvious, it becomes grating. at the same time jjk is getting famous and super popular.

5. people start to push back against the exaggeration but the hype is too big, some fans have already turned the title into part of their identity and part of it is that jjk is morally good for being feminist. any criticism starts to become an attack on them personally.

6. but because it’s a huge media title now it’s a fair target to punch up now, the fans are annoying and blinded another good target, and being critical of the media you consume is a badge of the utmost “leftist morality” in some circles online and it’s performed by being vitriolically critical of a piece of media. aka jjk becomes a perfect clout builder for the fandom wank crowd.

7. bad faith criticism ensue, extra points for being ignorant about japan and its culture and completely ignoring that manga is not written with the western audience in mind and the western discourse isn’t the same as japanese discourse of these issues, extra clout points for dressing it in the veneer of academic language, extra points for misgendering gege to call them a women hater and violent misogynist, extra points for going the extra mile and find ways to “prove” gege is some kind of degenerate or freak (yes, it’s important to use this fascist flavoured language to get the extra clout in the purity leftism circles because these circles are deeply ideologically steeped in fundie christianity)

8. people uncritically regurgitate the takes of the clout chasers because now it’s popular to be woker than jjk, to be more intellectual than the mainstream. it has become an us vs them thing on an intellectual and moral level.

what gets lost in this is that. first of all the mainstream anywhere, not even in the west doesn’t hold up to leftist intersectional feminist scrutiny. it just doesn’t and it won’t for decades to come. we don’t live in the leftist queer utopia of the tumblr dashboard, and i’m as fucking sad about it as you are. i want to live there too. but for most people you’ll meet irl, even those who want to be genuinely respectful and all, they will not get everything right, they will not know about all the issues, they will stumble and make mistakes. it’s important to let people make mistakes and not make them afraid to make them. and it’s not that hard to discern people who genuinely stumble and try to do things as best as they can, and people who’re just looking for the fucking excuse to say: these expectations are too high, let me openly be a vile rightwinger i’m deep down inside.

it’s similar with media. you will have authors that are genuinely trying even if they come from a place that isn’t really as leftist as the audience here, even if they don’t achieve what the audience here considered ideological purity. and you will have media, disney comes to mind, where the authors are just trying to check off boxes. where the authors aren’t trying to do anything, they are just trying to write some people pleasing thing that most of the audience will not be put off by.

it’s not the fault of the former type author that their attempts get blown out of proportion, that they get put on a pedestal they can only fall off. 

i’m all for meeting a piece of media where it’s at. for seeing its shortcomings but also for praising it if i think it’s succeeding at some stuff it’s doing. if a piece of media is not doing anything really and is craven about its performance of leftist issues then it doesn’t deserve praise. 

don’t make people afraid to try and fail. that’s it.

can you guys say you like asa without being like Fujimoto's The Most Feminist Male Shonen Mangaka The only man who can write women WomenRespecter9000 bc 1. you say that bc you only read battle shonen i assure you there are more well written female characters in shonen. written by women even! and 2. you people said the same thing about gege and look how that went